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On May 15 2013 23:08 Nekovivie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 23:06 Addicted2Sc wrote:On May 15 2013 23:02 m4inbrain wrote:On May 15 2013 23:00 Addicted2Sc wrote:On May 15 2013 22:58 m4inbrain wrote:On May 15 2013 22:55 Addicted2Sc wrote:
If i would be demuslim, i would punch idra with a roundhouse kick in his face and after that i would spit in his face.. iam so glad to not see idra again in tournaments, thanks god he disappeared more and more... hater gonna hate, so true. ssb You don't punch with kicks, genius. sry for talkin in my first language, freak Yeah, funny story, i'm german as well, and even then it would not make sense. Also i guess you meant not talking in your first language, but meh. See the light behind the darkness, than u can realize what i mean. Ok, just replace the word punch with kick and stop crying little idra fanboy You might wanna drop the attitude or you'll find yourself kicked from TL with a roundhouse punch.
LOL. Idra would be amused
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On May 15 2013 22:03 z0li wrote:
i saw that IdrA to join LG-IM, isnt that great !
ITS A JOKE
Romanian guy making a joke, not sure how to react.
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At first i wondered if he might retire but meh he made good money with Sc2 hate the game or not, it's profitible he get's the numbers on streams no matter the results in tournamants.
Idra would be a double edged sword on a team for sure, your team get's alot of exposure on the other hand that exposure might not always be good 
Idra joins the .... Alliance !
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On May 15 2013 23:16 AnomalySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 23:07 Plansix wrote:On May 15 2013 22:53 Doodsmack wrote:On May 15 2013 22:37 AnomalySC2 wrote:On May 15 2013 22:33 Doodsmack wrote:On May 15 2013 19:34 NarAliya wrote:On May 12 2013 02:06 Snusmumriken wrote:On May 12 2013 02:00 normannlol wrote:On May 12 2013 01:53 stickyhands wrote:On May 12 2013 01:50 normannlol wrote:
I don't usually post anywhere, but it really shocks me that people are so surprised. Can't shut up.
No results at all in a long time, always bad attitude - i have been thinking for a loooong time "Who the hell want's to pay a guy like that?". This is business, if you can't deliver, you don't belong.
Next stop Incontrol.... Out with him, get some real talent. Or pay him only for the commentating, which i will give him a thumps up for!
And yes, i will properly be hated for this, but hey, it is what it is.
come on, hating on incontrol is so old now... incontrol is doing an amazing job for EG also: + Show Spoiler + Oh wow, did not realize that my TL virginity was just taken. Thumps up to you! I don't hate on Incontrol, i love the guy, amazing eSport figure, with his personality, humor and all that. But as a player... That's a chapter that should be over already, please move on to something else and do it as a hoppy. Ehm incontrol is definately an asset to EG. One of the most awesome guys in the scene in my opinion. Him, qxc, grubby and a few others are really nice people for the most part (my impression). Some are not as great personalitywise but are decent/good and a few have pretty shitty attitudes but are great at the game. Idra isnt really in either of these categories imo so I guess that makes him special in some sense  All the people you just mentioned are terrible players and never get any results. Incontrol is bad at the game but is apparently a great personality. Qxc is a godawful terran but apparently has a great personality. Grubby, a far cry from his BM + Right Click days is a terrible player but everyone loves him because he has a great personality. eSports isn't taken seriously (and never will be) outside of TL and Korea. If you want it to be taken seriously, you need to be supporting players who consistently achieve high level results and bring home the prize money. Paying money for casters and 'great personalities' is just silly and is ultimately bad business. Yeah I'm sure it's the community's appreciation for personalities that's holding esports back from being mainstream. It's not like those potential mainstream viewers have no idea what the community likes lol. It IS a little bizarre though, don't you think? I'd say it makes sense given 1) the volatility of SC2 and 2) the scene's oversaturation of players. When you combine those two things it means pretty much no one is consistently making it to the last stages of tournaments. Skill loses its value in the scene when you can pretty much the top 32 players' names in any given tournament in a hat and randomly pick the winner, and you'd get about the same level of consistency as what actually exists. So viewers turn to personality to find something meaningful. This discussion is beyond stilly. How is Grubby a terrible player? He did very well at the recent Dream Hack, making it through groups to the round of 16(from memory and I can’t check liquipida). What are peoples standards for good today? Win everything? TLO did poorly for over a year, but is now ripping through WSC. How does he rate on this scale? Terrible, yet lucky? And all-killing IM is a feat. Claim it is luck, but that is a lot of luck that most Korean teams can’t generate. I just don’t know why people entertain these discussions claiming really solid players are “terrible” because they don’t win everything. Honestly I was just wondering why the sc2 community is so fixated on personalities rather than actual gameplay. I didn't think someone would go down the whole "sc2 is too volatile" route.
Can only speak from my viewpoint, but it's just more entertaining. Let's take the example to an extreme, there are people out there who can admire a so called "Kuckucksuhr" (the clock with the bird thingy) for hours, the engineering and skill needed to put that together and stuff - i would just fall asleep. The same kinda goes for Starcraft 2. Watching Koreans (or, "skill") is fun. For a couple of times. But then it gets boring, since you know what to expect. To me, having someone talk and "entertain" while playing at least decently, it's a better "timewaste" than just admiring mechanical skills for hours.
But i'm hoping for TLO, it's not that you need "toxic" personalities (i actually don't think Idra has one, but just to say it) - you just need personality at all. Most of the koreans, well, don't. Most likely because i can't really follow them due to the language barrier, but yeah.. At least for me, that's it.
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On May 15 2013 23:26 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 23:16 AnomalySC2 wrote:On May 15 2013 23:07 Plansix wrote:On May 15 2013 22:53 Doodsmack wrote:On May 15 2013 22:37 AnomalySC2 wrote:On May 15 2013 22:33 Doodsmack wrote:On May 15 2013 19:34 NarAliya wrote:On May 12 2013 02:06 Snusmumriken wrote:On May 12 2013 02:00 normannlol wrote:On May 12 2013 01:53 stickyhands wrote:[quote] come on, hating on incontrol is so old now... incontrol is doing an amazing job for EG also: + Show Spoiler + Oh wow, did not realize that my TL virginity was just taken. Thumps up to you! I don't hate on Incontrol, i love the guy, amazing eSport figure, with his personality, humor and all that. But as a player... That's a chapter that should be over already, please move on to something else and do it as a hoppy. Ehm incontrol is definately an asset to EG. One of the most awesome guys in the scene in my opinion. Him, qxc, grubby and a few others are really nice people for the most part (my impression). Some are not as great personalitywise but are decent/good and a few have pretty shitty attitudes but are great at the game. Idra isnt really in either of these categories imo so I guess that makes him special in some sense All the people you just mentioned are terrible players and never get any results. Incontrol is bad at the game but is apparently a great personality. Qxc is a godawful terran but apparently has a great personality. Grubby, a far cry from his BM + Right Click days is a terrible player but everyone loves him because he has a great personality. eSports isn't taken seriously (and never will be) outside of TL and Korea. If you want it to be taken seriously, you need to be supporting players who consistently achieve high level results and bring home the prize money. Paying money for casters and 'great personalities' is just silly and is ultimately bad business. Yeah I'm sure it's the community's appreciation for personalities that's holding esports back from being mainstream. It's not like those potential mainstream viewers have no idea what the community likes lol. It IS a little bizarre though, don't you think? I'd say it makes sense given 1) the volatility of SC2 and 2) the scene's oversaturation of players. When you combine those two things it means pretty much no one is consistently making it to the last stages of tournaments. Skill loses its value in the scene when you can pretty much the top 32 players' names in any given tournament in a hat and randomly pick the winner, and you'd get about the same level of consistency as what actually exists. So viewers turn to personality to find something meaningful. This discussion is beyond stilly. How is Grubby a terrible player? He did very well at the recent Dream Hack, making it through groups to the round of 16(from memory and I can’t check liquipida). What are peoples standards for good today? Win everything? TLO did poorly for over a year, but is now ripping through WSC. How does he rate on this scale? Terrible, yet lucky? And all-killing IM is a feat. Claim it is luck, but that is a lot of luck that most Korean teams can’t generate. I just don’t know why people entertain these discussions claiming really solid players are “terrible” because they don’t win everything. Honestly I was just wondering why the sc2 community is so fixated on personalities rather than actual gameplay. I didn't think someone would go down the whole "sc2 is too volatile" route. Can only speak from my viewpoint, but it's just more entertaining. Let's take the example to an extreme, there are people out there who can admire a so called "Kuckucksuhr" (the clock with the bird thingy) for hours, the engineering and skill needed to put that together and stuff - i would just fall asleep. The same kinda goes for Starcraft 2. Watching Koreans (or, "skill") is fun. For a couple of times. But then it gets boring, since you know what to expect. To me, having someone talk and "entertain" while playing at least decently, it's a better "timewaste" than just admiring mechanical skills for hours. But i'm hoping for TLO, it's not that you need "toxic" personalities (i actually don't think Idra has one, but just to say it) - you just need personality at all. Most of the koreans, well, don't. Most likely because i can't really follow them due to the language barrier, but yeah.. At least for me, that's it.
So you're essentially saying the matches being played aren't interesting enough on their own. You need someone to entertain you on top of that O.o
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On May 15 2013 23:06 Addicted2Sc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 23:02 m4inbrain wrote:On May 15 2013 23:00 Addicted2Sc wrote:On May 15 2013 22:58 m4inbrain wrote:On May 15 2013 22:55 Addicted2Sc wrote:
If i would be demuslim, i would punch idra with a roundhouse kick in his face and after that i would spit in his face.. iam so glad to not see idra again in tournaments, thanks god he disappeared more and more... hater gonna hate, so true. ssb You don't punch with kicks, genius. sry for talkin in my first language, freak Yeah, funny story, i'm german as well, and even then it would not make sense. Also i guess you meant not talking in your first language, but meh. See the light behind the darkness, than u can realize what i mean. Ok, just replace the word punch with kick and stop crying little idra fanboy
OT: 4 Posts, 1 calling another member fanboy, 1 calling him freak, 1 getting warned for and 1 with "use the sc2 repair tool", what a quality poster you are indeed.
BTT: Ben has no reason to be mad about his beef with Greg, his stream views skyrocket even more since all this internal quarrel with him. Additionally, Greg will not "disappear more and more" right now, he is trying to get into professional casting and streaming pretty regularly.
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On May 15 2013 23:28 AnomalySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 23:26 m4inbrain wrote:On May 15 2013 23:16 AnomalySC2 wrote:On May 15 2013 23:07 Plansix wrote:On May 15 2013 22:53 Doodsmack wrote:On May 15 2013 22:37 AnomalySC2 wrote:On May 15 2013 22:33 Doodsmack wrote:On May 15 2013 19:34 NarAliya wrote:On May 12 2013 02:06 Snusmumriken wrote:On May 12 2013 02:00 normannlol wrote:
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Oh wow, did not realize that my TL virginity was just taken. Thumps up to you!
I don't hate on Incontrol, i love the guy, amazing eSport figure, with his personality, humor and all that. But as a player... That's a chapter that should be over already, please move on to something else and do it as a hoppy. Ehm incontrol is definately an asset to EG. One of the most awesome guys in the scene in my opinion. Him, qxc, grubby and a few others are really nice people for the most part (my impression). Some are not as great personalitywise but are decent/good and a few have pretty shitty attitudes but are great at the game. Idra isnt really in either of these categories imo so I guess that makes him special in some sense All the people you just mentioned are terrible players and never get any results. Incontrol is bad at the game but is apparently a great personality. Qxc is a godawful terran but apparently has a great personality. Grubby, a far cry from his BM + Right Click days is a terrible player but everyone loves him because he has a great personality. eSports isn't taken seriously (and never will be) outside of TL and Korea. If you want it to be taken seriously, you need to be supporting players who consistently achieve high level results and bring home the prize money. Paying money for casters and 'great personalities' is just silly and is ultimately bad business. Yeah I'm sure it's the community's appreciation for personalities that's holding esports back from being mainstream. It's not like those potential mainstream viewers have no idea what the community likes lol. It IS a little bizarre though, don't you think? I'd say it makes sense given 1) the volatility of SC2 and 2) the scene's oversaturation of players. When you combine those two things it means pretty much no one is consistently making it to the last stages of tournaments. Skill loses its value in the scene when you can pretty much the top 32 players' names in any given tournament in a hat and randomly pick the winner, and you'd get about the same level of consistency as what actually exists. So viewers turn to personality to find something meaningful. This discussion is beyond stilly. How is Grubby a terrible player? He did very well at the recent Dream Hack, making it through groups to the round of 16(from memory and I can’t check liquipida). What are peoples standards for good today? Win everything? TLO did poorly for over a year, but is now ripping through WSC. How does he rate on this scale? Terrible, yet lucky? And all-killing IM is a feat. Claim it is luck, but that is a lot of luck that most Korean teams can’t generate. I just don’t know why people entertain these discussions claiming really solid players are “terrible” because they don’t win everything. Honestly I was just wondering why the sc2 community is so fixated on personalities rather than actual gameplay. I didn't think someone would go down the whole "sc2 is too volatile" route. Can only speak from my viewpoint, but it's just more entertaining. Let's take the example to an extreme, there are people out there who can admire a so called "Kuckucksuhr" (the clock with the bird thingy) for hours, the engineering and skill needed to put that together and stuff - i would just fall asleep. The same kinda goes for Starcraft 2. Watching Koreans (or, "skill") is fun. For a couple of times. But then it gets boring, since you know what to expect. To me, having someone talk and "entertain" while playing at least decently, it's a better "timewaste" than just admiring mechanical skills for hours. But i'm hoping for TLO, it's not that you need "toxic" personalities (i actually don't think Idra has one, but just to say it) - you just need personality at all. Most of the koreans, well, don't. Most likely because i can't really follow them due to the language barrier, but yeah.. At least for me, that's it. So you're essentially saying the matches being played aren't interesting enough on their own. You need someone to entertain you on top of that O.o
If i watch streams, yes. I'm not talking about tournaments, that goes without saying. But if i watch streams? Definately.
Edit: i should maybe add, that i'm not really playing anymore, and watch streams just to kill time. Maybe there's the difference.
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On May 15 2013 19:15 FetTerBender wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 15:04 shubcraft wrote:
Slightly OT: Has it ever been mentioned why IdrA choose Z over T in WoL? And wasn´t he considering even switching to P in HotS if they "didn´t fix Z"? IdrA started off as P in WoL Beta and Artosis convinced him to switch to zerg. To all those people complaining about IdrA and on the same time calling him names (nerd, prick, cunt): Way biased, are we?
As far i know he just couldn't play protoss because of the "4Gate Justice" state of PvP.
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On May 15 2013 23:16 AnomalySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 23:07 Plansix wrote:On May 15 2013 22:53 Doodsmack wrote:On May 15 2013 22:37 AnomalySC2 wrote:On May 15 2013 22:33 Doodsmack wrote:On May 15 2013 19:34 NarAliya wrote:On May 12 2013 02:06 Snusmumriken wrote:On May 12 2013 02:00 normannlol wrote:On May 12 2013 01:53 stickyhands wrote:On May 12 2013 01:50 normannlol wrote:
I don't usually post anywhere, but it really shocks me that people are so surprised. Can't shut up.
No results at all in a long time, always bad attitude - i have been thinking for a loooong time "Who the hell want's to pay a guy like that?". This is business, if you can't deliver, you don't belong.
Next stop Incontrol.... Out with him, get some real talent. Or pay him only for the commentating, which i will give him a thumps up for!
And yes, i will properly be hated for this, but hey, it is what it is.
come on, hating on incontrol is so old now... incontrol is doing an amazing job for EG also: + Show Spoiler + Oh wow, did not realize that my TL virginity was just taken. Thumps up to you! I don't hate on Incontrol, i love the guy, amazing eSport figure, with his personality, humor and all that. But as a player... That's a chapter that should be over already, please move on to something else and do it as a hoppy. Ehm incontrol is definately an asset to EG. One of the most awesome guys in the scene in my opinion. Him, qxc, grubby and a few others are really nice people for the most part (my impression). Some are not as great personalitywise but are decent/good and a few have pretty shitty attitudes but are great at the game. Idra isnt really in either of these categories imo so I guess that makes him special in some sense All the people you just mentioned are terrible players and never get any results. Incontrol is bad at the game but is apparently a great personality. Qxc is a godawful terran but apparently has a great personality. Grubby, a far cry from his BM + Right Click days is a terrible player but everyone loves him because he has a great personality. eSports isn't taken seriously (and never will be) outside of TL and Korea. If you want it to be taken seriously, you need to be supporting players who consistently achieve high level results and bring home the prize money. Paying money for casters and 'great personalities' is just silly and is ultimately bad business. Yeah I'm sure it's the community's appreciation for personalities that's holding esports back from being mainstream. It's not like those potential mainstream viewers have no idea what the community likes lol. It IS a little bizarre though, don't you think? I'd say it makes sense given 1) the volatility of SC2 and 2) the scene's oversaturation of players. When you combine those two things it means pretty much no one is consistently making it to the last stages of tournaments. Skill loses its value in the scene when you can pretty much the top 32 players' names in any given tournament in a hat and randomly pick the winner, and you'd get about the same level of consistency as what actually exists. So viewers turn to personality to find something meaningful. This discussion is beyond stilly. How is Grubby a terrible player? He did very well at the recent Dream Hack, making it through groups to the round of 16(from memory and I can’t check liquipida). What are peoples standards for good today? Win everything? TLO did poorly for over a year, but is now ripping through WSC. How does he rate on this scale? Terrible, yet lucky? And all-killing IM is a feat. Claim it is luck, but that is a lot of luck that most Korean teams can’t generate. I just don’t know why people entertain these discussions claiming really solid players are “terrible” because they don’t win everything. Honestly I was just wondering why the sc2 community is so fixated on personalities rather than actual gameplay. I didn't think someone would go down the whole "sc2 is too volatile" route.
I don’t think people are fixated on personality over gameplay and skill. It is two separate tastes and I think a lot of the community enjoys both. Everyone enjoyed the Flash vs Innovation games at MLG and the Group of Death. But those games aren't on all the time and people also like Incontrol, Idra and Grubby because they are personable, funny and make fun viewing experience. Some of them also do pretty well when they compete, too.
What we are watching, in my opinion, is some of the players like Idra or Incontrol seeing that their value to the scene and the teams is in promotion and media, rather than just winning. We are also learning that just winning events does not allow a team or player to be successful(income wise) and people are figuring out how to do both. It is something Artosis already figured out and does very well. He even tries out for code A, just to keep his feet in the scene. The difference is that Artosis never tried to label himself as a professional player and never put up the expectation that he would do amazingly well. But he still is a valuable member of the community that everyone enjoys, who also happens to be very professional at all times.
The community is growing as well and it matures with the team and players. People love watching the Group of Death, but they also like learning about the game from a skilled player on stream, or hanging out with a community figure while they stream. Hell, I have found a lot of good music just watching stream. Peoples enjoyment of SC2 can go beyond just the highest level gameplay.
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Why dont you go back to CJ lol
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On May 15 2013 23:06 Addicted2Sc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 23:02 m4inbrain wrote:On May 15 2013 23:00 Addicted2Sc wrote:On May 15 2013 22:58 m4inbrain wrote:On May 15 2013 22:55 Addicted2Sc wrote:
If i would be demuslim, i would punch idra with a roundhouse kick in his face and after that i would spit in his face.. iam so glad to not see idra again in tournaments, thanks god he disappeared more and more... hater gonna hate, so true. ssb You don't punch with kicks, genius. sry for talkin in my first language, freak Yeah, funny story, i'm german as well, and even then it would not make sense. Also i guess you meant not talking in your first language, but meh. See the light behind the darkness, than u can realize what i mean. Ok, just replace the word punch with kick and stop crying little idra fanboy User was banned for this post.
It looks like...
*Puts on sunglasses*
You got punched with a roundhouse kick to the face.
YEAHHHHHH!!!
I just find this hilariously ironic.
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On May 15 2013 22:53 Embir wrote:
Love him or hate him, IdrA did a very good job at promoting SC2, wheter intentionally or not, in first stages of Wings of Liberty. His bad attitude, manners and heel aura created stories. To this day I remember his finals vs. TLO or WhiteRa, his rage outbursts against Drewbie or Masq, or abruptly ended games against HuK or MMA.
At first I was taking his opinions as a voice of reason, I truly believed he was smart and knowledgable enough to speak about game balance in objective manner, it seemed his rage was induced by game imbalances.
In my opinion his downward spiral really started at the moment when zergs started to dominate after queen and infestor buff. His moans about imbalance were pathetic at best, especially when all around zergs were winning and dominating.
No longer people were seeing him as knowledgable, passionate player, who is stopped from winning only by bad game design; they saw his true face - face of whiny, assuming, raging dude, who is too stubborn to learn on his own mistakes.
When he played his best he was ideal bad boy of SC2, after queenpatch he became caricature of his former self.
Incontrol said it best when he asked Idra which race was the weakest in Brood War. He couldn't for a second say or believe anything than the race he was playing (Terran). Idra is an extremely sore loser who blames everything on everything except him since way before SC2 came out.
He never had a downward spiral. He has always been the same, and it's good for once the community and his team refuses to put up with his shit imo.
He has done horrific things for SC2 and destroyed it's image. Imagine how much QQing and Balance whining Protoss we'd have at the start of WoL if he started off playing Protoss. It would be just as bad as the Zerg balance imba.
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On May 16 2013 02:04 Figgy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 22:53 Embir wrote:
Love him or hate him, IdrA did a very good job at promoting SC2, wheter intentionally or not, in first stages of Wings of Liberty. His bad attitude, manners and heel aura created stories. To this day I remember his finals vs. TLO or WhiteRa, his rage outbursts against Drewbie or Masq, or abruptly ended games against HuK or MMA.
At first I was taking his opinions as a voice of reason, I truly believed he was smart and knowledgable enough to speak about game balance in objective manner, it seemed his rage was induced by game imbalances.
In my opinion his downward spiral really started at the moment when zergs started to dominate after queen and infestor buff. His moans about imbalance were pathetic at best, especially when all around zergs were winning and dominating.
No longer people were seeing him as knowledgable, passionate player, who is stopped from winning only by bad game design; they saw his true face - face of whiny, assuming, raging dude, who is too stubborn to learn on his own mistakes.
When he played his best he was ideal bad boy of SC2, after queenpatch he became caricature of his former self. Incontrol said it best when he asked Idra which race was the weakest in Brood War. He couldn't for a second say or believe anything than the race he was playing (Terran). Idra is an extremely sore loser who blames everything on everything except him since way before SC2 came out. He never had a downward spiral. He has always been the same, and it's good for once the community and his team refuses to put up with his shit imo. He has done horrific things for SC2 and destroyed it's image. Imagine how much QQing and Balance whining Protoss we'd have at the start of WoL if he started off playing Protoss. It would be just as bad as the Zerg balance imba.
P players sucked up the WoL's imbalance. If IdrA was playing P, he'd probably get dismissed from EG and the eSports community permanently.
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On May 16 2013 02:04 Figgy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 22:53 Embir wrote:
Love him or hate him, IdrA did a very good job at promoting SC2, wheter intentionally or not, in first stages of Wings of Liberty. His bad attitude, manners and heel aura created stories. To this day I remember his finals vs. TLO or WhiteRa, his rage outbursts against Drewbie or Masq, or abruptly ended games against HuK or MMA.
At first I was taking his opinions as a voice of reason, I truly believed he was smart and knowledgable enough to speak about game balance in objective manner, it seemed his rage was induced by game imbalances.
In my opinion his downward spiral really started at the moment when zergs started to dominate after queen and infestor buff. His moans about imbalance were pathetic at best, especially when all around zergs were winning and dominating.
No longer people were seeing him as knowledgable, passionate player, who is stopped from winning only by bad game design; they saw his true face - face of whiny, assuming, raging dude, who is too stubborn to learn on his own mistakes.
When he played his best he was ideal bad boy of SC2, after queenpatch he became caricature of his former self. Incontrol said it best when he asked Idra which race was the weakest in Brood War. He couldn't for a second say or believe anything than the race he was playing (Terran). Idra is an extremely sore loser who blames everything on everything except him since way before SC2 came out. He never had a downward spiral. He has always been the same, and it's good for once the community and his team refuses to put up with his shit imo. He has done horrific things for SC2 and destroyed it's image. Imagine how much QQing and Balance whining Protoss we'd have at the start of WoL if he started off playing Protoss. It would be just as bad as the Zerg balance imba.
Destroyed its image? A bit too much there, buddy. Considering the fact that he hasn't been anything big in this community besides a streamer in about 2 years, calling him a person that destroyed the community is a stretch. Now, you're overexaggerating and have no idea what you're talking about. The people who have destroyed this community are the people that value personality over gameplay too much in that they make it their job to try to "weed out" immaturity. They care too much how they look in the eyes of the outside world that their destroying the true image of e-sports and that's just a bunch of guys (and some girls) hanging out and watching some good games between great players. Trying to "professionalize" and "legitimize" the game in the eyes of the public has unfortunately created a show of politically correct zombies and not enough realness in the community. I want some trash talk and some rivalries--that's the things that make real sports leagues so popular. Nobody would watch the NBA or the NFL if it was just a bunch of boring, politically correct guys playing their respective sports. The people are drawn in by the trash talk and the villains. Why is the community is so against the very thing that gets attention in this world?
And you forget that Zerg back in 2010 and early 2011 was indeed the weakest race. It may seem foreign to this community today but there was a time when the game was horrifically imbalanced AGAINST Zerg. Zergs had horrible early scouting making them extremely vulnerable to cheese and all-ins from the other two races. We talk about how shitty ZvZ is today, just watch back in the early days. ZvZ was probably the biggest coinflip matchup of all time back then, much worse than PvP. Often times only 1 or 2 Zergs would make a Ro8 in GSL. The only Zergs that won in the GSL either cheesed (FruitDealer) or got really lucky (NesTea shouldn't have won GSL 2, just watch it). It wasn't until Summer 2011 when Zerg finally started getting good and that was when in the GSL Terrans literally outnumbered Zergs and Protosses combined almost 2 to 1. After that, the Leenocks, the DRGs, and the Stephanos rose out of the woodwork and started winning. In February 2012, the queenpatch came and the already strong Zerg race became... even stronger.
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On May 16 2013 02:04 Figgy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 22:53 Embir wrote:
Love him or hate him, IdrA did a very good job at promoting SC2, wheter intentionally or not, in first stages of Wings of Liberty. His bad attitude, manners and heel aura created stories. To this day I remember his finals vs. TLO or WhiteRa, his rage outbursts against Drewbie or Masq, or abruptly ended games against HuK or MMA.
At first I was taking his opinions as a voice of reason, I truly believed he was smart and knowledgable enough to speak about game balance in objective manner, it seemed his rage was induced by game imbalances.
In my opinion his downward spiral really started at the moment when zergs started to dominate after queen and infestor buff. His moans about imbalance were pathetic at best, especially when all around zergs were winning and dominating.
No longer people were seeing him as knowledgable, passionate player, who is stopped from winning only by bad game design; they saw his true face - face of whiny, assuming, raging dude, who is too stubborn to learn on his own mistakes.
When he played his best he was ideal bad boy of SC2, after queenpatch he became caricature of his former self. Incontrol said it best when he asked Idra which race was the weakest in Brood War. He couldn't for a second say or believe anything than the race he was playing (Terran). Idra is an extremely sore loser who blames everything on everything except him since way before SC2 came out. He never had a downward spiral. He has always been the same, and it's good for once the community and his team refuses to put up with his shit imo. He has done horrific things for SC2 and destroyed it's image. Imagine how much QQing and Balance whining Protoss we'd have at the start of WoL if he started off playing Protoss. It would be just as bad as the Zerg balance imba.
At the end of wings (starting after queen patch change) you must have missed how bad the qq'ing was done by terran and protoss. It was EASILY as bad as early wol zerg QQ'ing.
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On May 16 2013 07:41 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 02:04 Figgy wrote:On May 15 2013 22:53 Embir wrote:
Love him or hate him, IdrA did a very good job at promoting SC2, wheter intentionally or not, in first stages of Wings of Liberty. His bad attitude, manners and heel aura created stories. To this day I remember his finals vs. TLO or WhiteRa, his rage outbursts against Drewbie or Masq, or abruptly ended games against HuK or MMA.
At first I was taking his opinions as a voice of reason, I truly believed he was smart and knowledgable enough to speak about game balance in objective manner, it seemed his rage was induced by game imbalances.
In my opinion his downward spiral really started at the moment when zergs started to dominate after queen and infestor buff. His moans about imbalance were pathetic at best, especially when all around zergs were winning and dominating.
No longer people were seeing him as knowledgable, passionate player, who is stopped from winning only by bad game design; they saw his true face - face of whiny, assuming, raging dude, who is too stubborn to learn on his own mistakes.
When he played his best he was ideal bad boy of SC2, after queenpatch he became caricature of his former self. Incontrol said it best when he asked Idra which race was the weakest in Brood War. He couldn't for a second say or believe anything than the race he was playing (Terran). Idra is an extremely sore loser who blames everything on everything except him since way before SC2 came out. He never had a downward spiral. He has always been the same, and it's good for once the community and his team refuses to put up with his shit imo. He has done horrific things for SC2 and destroyed it's image. Imagine how much QQing and Balance whining Protoss we'd have at the start of WoL if he started off playing Protoss. It would be just as bad as the Zerg balance imba. At the end of wings (starting after queen patch change) you must have missed how bad the qq'ing was done by terran and protoss. It was EASILY as bad as early wol zerg QQ'ing.
It was so bad that viewership rose dramatically when it WASN'T ZvZ, which it was much of the time. Had it not been for the wonwonwon and 3 base colossus allin, PvZ and TvZ would have been a thoroughly broken competitive game. I think the complaining was justified, considering that korean pros were QQing straight up in games and risking bans to highlight it.
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On May 15 2013 22:49 Nekovivie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 22:45 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 15 2013 22:43 teapot wrote:
What's the deal between Idra and Demuslim? What caused this animosity? They don't like each other. That's about it really. Plus they get a kick out of winding each other up. They have conflicting personalities. One is passionate about the game and his fans, is all around well mannered and a nice guy even when losing. The other is British :/
naw its because they were both so attractted to each other and they bore in their hearts a burning passionate love for each other, a forbidden love; a love masked and hidden by their feigned animosity. their mutual fear that their love would be unreciprocated and secret silence turned passion into bitterness. idra became increasingly angry thinking he can never be with demuslim until he lashed out at the fans that he blamed for preventing him from achieving his desire.
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On May 16 2013 08:03 CeriseCherries wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 22:49 Nekovivie wrote:On May 15 2013 22:45 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 15 2013 22:43 teapot wrote:
What's the deal between Idra and Demuslim? What caused this animosity? They don't like each other. That's about it really. Plus they get a kick out of winding each other up. They have conflicting personalities. One is passionate about the game and his fans, is all around well mannered and a nice guy even when losing. The other is British :/ naw its because they were both so attractted to each other and they bore in their hearts a burning passionate love for each other, a forbidden love; a love masked and hidden by their feigned animosity. their mutual fear that their love would be unreciprocated and secret silence turned passion into bitterness. idra became increasingly angry thinking he can never be with demuslim until he lashed out at the fans that he blamed for preventing him from achieving his desire.
That's so beautiful. I shed a tear ----> '
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3 base colossi all in was good but 5 base thor/mech all-in was da shizzle, 4 base 1/1 speed ling cheese rush was really strong too
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On May 16 2013 08:03 CeriseCherries wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 22:49 Nekovivie wrote:On May 15 2013 22:45 Jockmcplop wrote:On May 15 2013 22:43 teapot wrote:
What's the deal between Idra and Demuslim? What caused this animosity? They don't like each other. That's about it really. Plus they get a kick out of winding each other up. They have conflicting personalities. One is passionate about the game and his fans, is all around well mannered and a nice guy even when losing. The other is British :/ naw its because they were both so attractted to each other and they bore in their hearts a burning passionate love for each other, a forbidden love; a love masked and hidden by their feigned animosity. their mutual fear that their love would be unreciprocated and secret silence turned passion into bitterness. idra became increasingly angry thinking he can never be with demuslim until he lashed out at the fans that he blamed for preventing him from achieving his desire.
Cliche, fanfiction-grade material. Try harder.
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