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On May 15 2013 12:22 Lamarq wrote:
They can get my support if they find another team. I am not against the players, I am not against razor, but with people as incompetent as those who lead EG, i cannot support anything affiliated with them.
I dont want other teams trying to get more 'control' on players, to strip them of their individuality because of a false public image. I dont want teams to force players to put on a mask.
This indicent could possibly make other players in teams be more careful, be LESS themselves, since they know that teams might really kick them out.
This is killing Esport in my opinion. It might not in yours, but that is okay. I dont care about that.
I'm just the guy who is gonna ignore everything from EG from now on, make them dissappear.
The second i've closed this window, I wont even look at this thread anymore.
I just want EG to slowly die off into nothingness. To protect the individuality of all other players in other games.
It likely won't even make a difference, but if everyone would do it, it would truely kill them, and protect the other players in the future.
Whether you agree with me or not is irrelevant, EG is gone.
they built the one of the most profitable organizations in sc2, have top teams in other games as well and have a very successful business running, which of course doesn't save them from you calling them "incompetent" in the same post where you spell razer "razor" ...
You don't throw words like "incompetent" out there just because someone has a different opinion than you. Incompetence means they have no idea what they are doing, which they clearly have.
I personally don't agree with everything EG has done, that doesn't mean they're incompetent.
Anyway, I'm sure they'll be fine without you.
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On May 15 2013 14:45 Trineal wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 14:24 Wombat_NI wrote:
Wow, this thread lol. There's a medium fucking ground between 'being a robot' and 'being a cunt'
Why is every other post positing the existence of two binary positions that are the only options and choices available? The world exists in varying shades of grey.
Shades of gray are complicated Black and white is simple and simple is easy. And of course people have a strong tendency to take the easy path, consequences be damned.
this website has over the years passively encouraged this polarised, sensationalist viewpoint. that's the "community" at large (a large proportion of which would have to minors, who tend to represent this viewpoint heavily).
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On May 15 2013 12:22 Lamarq wrote:
This indicent could possibly make other players in teams be more careful, be LESS themselves, since they know that teams might really kick them out.
If 'being yourself' is synonomous with 'being a prick' you deserve to be punished.
There's barely a job on planet earth that lets you get away with being a prick publically and consistently. Even actors need to put on a good public face, regardless of how they behave on-set.
It's supremely childish to act as if you can say what you want, when you want, and not expect consequences for doing so. In credit to him, Idra has always accepted that, and the consequences that come from him speaking his mind.
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On May 15 2013 15:04 shubcraft wrote:
Slightly OT: Has it ever been mentioned why IdrA choose Z over T in WoL? And wasn´t he considering even switching to P in HotS if they "didn´t fix Z"?
IdrA started off as P in WoL Beta and Artosis convinced him to switch to zerg.
To all those people complaining about IdrA and on the same time calling him names (nerd, prick, cunt): Way biased, are we?
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On May 12 2013 02:06 Snusmumriken wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 02:00 normannlol wrote:On May 12 2013 01:53 stickyhands wrote:On May 12 2013 01:50 normannlol wrote:
I don't usually post anywhere, but it really shocks me that people are so surprised. Can't shut up.
No results at all in a long time, always bad attitude - i have been thinking for a loooong time "Who the hell want's to pay a guy like that?". This is business, if you can't deliver, you don't belong.
Next stop Incontrol.... Out with him, get some real talent. Or pay him only for the commentating, which i will give him a thumps up for!
And yes, i will properly be hated for this, but hey, it is what it is.
come on, hating on incontrol is so old now... incontrol is doing an amazing job for EG also: + Show Spoiler + Oh wow, did not realize that my TL virginity was just taken. Thumps up to you! I don't hate on Incontrol, i love the guy, amazing eSport figure, with his personality, humor and all that. But as a player... That's a chapter that should be over already, please move on to something else and do it as a hoppy. Ehm incontrol is definately an asset to EG. One of the most awesome guys in the scene in my opinion. Him, qxc, grubby and a few others are really nice people for the most part (my impression). Some are not as great personalitywise but are decent/good and a few have pretty shitty attitudes but are great at the game. Idra isnt really in either of these categories imo so I guess that makes him special in some sense 
All the people you just mentioned are terrible players and never get any results. Incontrol is bad at the game but is apparently a great personality. Qxc is a godawful terran but apparently has a great personality. Grubby, a far cry from his BM + Right Click days is a terrible player but everyone loves him because he has a great personality.
eSports isn't taken seriously (and never will be) outside of TL and Korea. If you want it to be taken seriously, you need to be supporting players who consistently achieve high level results and bring home the prize money. Paying money for casters and 'great personalities' is just silly and is ultimately bad business.
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On May 15 2013 19:34 NarAliya wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 02:06 Snusmumriken wrote:On May 12 2013 02:00 normannlol wrote:On May 12 2013 01:53 stickyhands wrote:On May 12 2013 01:50 normannlol wrote:
I don't usually post anywhere, but it really shocks me that people are so surprised. Can't shut up.
No results at all in a long time, always bad attitude - i have been thinking for a loooong time "Who the hell want's to pay a guy like that?". This is business, if you can't deliver, you don't belong.
Next stop Incontrol.... Out with him, get some real talent. Or pay him only for the commentating, which i will give him a thumps up for!
And yes, i will properly be hated for this, but hey, it is what it is.
come on, hating on incontrol is so old now... incontrol is doing an amazing job for EG also: + Show Spoiler + Oh wow, did not realize that my TL virginity was just taken. Thumps up to you! I don't hate on Incontrol, i love the guy, amazing eSport figure, with his personality, humor and all that. But as a player... That's a chapter that should be over already, please move on to something else and do it as a hoppy. Ehm incontrol is definately an asset to EG. One of the most awesome guys in the scene in my opinion. Him, qxc, grubby and a few others are really nice people for the most part (my impression). Some are not as great personalitywise but are decent/good and a few have pretty shitty attitudes but are great at the game. Idra isnt really in either of these categories imo so I guess that makes him special in some sense All the people you just mentioned are terrible players and never get any results. Incontrol is bad at the game but is apparently a great personality. Qxc is a godawful terran but apparently has a great personality. Grubby, a far cry from his BM + Right Click days is a terrible player but everyone loves him because he has a great personality. eSports isn't taken seriously (and never will be) outside of TL and Korea. If you want it to be taken seriously, you need to be supporting players who consistently achieve high level results and bring home the prize money. Paying money for casters and 'great personalities' is just silly and is ultimately bad business.
This is true, but I think in EG's case the way they're approaching it is to have a core roster of genuinely good players that can get results, backed up by 'bad' players that are good personalities and who thus keep attention and views on the team. That's a rather different but if you think about it sensible approach; some players serve as marketing, some as results generators, though they're having a little difficulty getting those results so far.
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On May 15 2013 19:34 NarAliya wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 02:06 Snusmumriken wrote:On May 12 2013 02:00 normannlol wrote:On May 12 2013 01:53 stickyhands wrote:On May 12 2013 01:50 normannlol wrote:
I don't usually post anywhere, but it really shocks me that people are so surprised. Can't shut up.
No results at all in a long time, always bad attitude - i have been thinking for a loooong time "Who the hell want's to pay a guy like that?". This is business, if you can't deliver, you don't belong.
Next stop Incontrol.... Out with him, get some real talent. Or pay him only for the commentating, which i will give him a thumps up for!
And yes, i will properly be hated for this, but hey, it is what it is.
come on, hating on incontrol is so old now... incontrol is doing an amazing job for EG also: + Show Spoiler + Oh wow, did not realize that my TL virginity was just taken. Thumps up to you! I don't hate on Incontrol, i love the guy, amazing eSport figure, with his personality, humor and all that. But as a player... That's a chapter that should be over already, please move on to something else and do it as a hoppy. Ehm incontrol is definately an asset to EG. One of the most awesome guys in the scene in my opinion. Him, qxc, grubby and a few others are really nice people for the most part (my impression). Some are not as great personalitywise but are decent/good and a few have pretty shitty attitudes but are great at the game. Idra isnt really in either of these categories imo so I guess that makes him special in some sense All the people you just mentioned are terrible players and never get any results. Incontrol is bad at the game but is apparently a great personality. Qxc is a godawful terran but apparently has a great personality. Grubby, a far cry from his BM + Right Click days is a terrible player but everyone loves him because he has a great personality. eSports isn't taken seriously (and never will be) outside of TL and Korea. If you want it to be taken seriously, you need to be supporting players who consistently achieve high level results and bring home the prize money. Paying money for casters and 'great personalities' is just silly and is ultimately bad business.
That's partially right but definitely not entirely.
First use the correct words. BY NO MEAN ARE ANY OF THE PLAYERS YOU NAMED BAD. They're just not top tier players ... their still better than 99% of the people playing that game. And to make a competition last you need more than a few winners ... that's "any competitive environment" 101 ...
Now concerning that quote: Results are not the only determining factor in whether an individual deserves to be part of an eSports team.You can take this comparison to other disciplines ...
Football for example .. do you think a club like Paris Saint Germain bought David Beckhman who's closer from retiring than anything else for his amazing skills? (don't get me wrong, he's still a very good player but everyone should agree that he's not half as good as he was in his prime)
Competition is competition but e-sport is also an entertainment business and business implies money (to spend and earn). People like Incontrol have a very high value as they attract viewers (his stream numbers are still more than decent considering his latest results as a player), generate respect toward the EG brand through their actions (or not but Incontrol mostly does IMO) and exposure through their presence at multiple events (may it be to cast, play, both, spectate ... whatever we see an EG guy there).
The time when e-sport was a few people's very own little entertainment is over. It's not like there weren't tournaments EVERY FREAKING DAY to remind it to people. You can't expect this industry to behave like it did with a couple thousands fans (outside korea) when it now has hundred's of thousands of fans.
It's not your very own little hobby anymore, it's an industry with it's constraints and needs. Deal with it!
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On May 15 2013 19:34 NarAliya wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 02:06 Snusmumriken wrote:On May 12 2013 02:00 normannlol wrote:On May 12 2013 01:53 stickyhands wrote:On May 12 2013 01:50 normannlol wrote:
I don't usually post anywhere, but it really shocks me that people are so surprised. Can't shut up.
No results at all in a long time, always bad attitude - i have been thinking for a loooong time "Who the hell want's to pay a guy like that?". This is business, if you can't deliver, you don't belong.
Next stop Incontrol.... Out with him, get some real talent. Or pay him only for the commentating, which i will give him a thumps up for!
And yes, i will properly be hated for this, but hey, it is what it is.
come on, hating on incontrol is so old now... incontrol is doing an amazing job for EG also: + Show Spoiler + Oh wow, did not realize that my TL virginity was just taken. Thumps up to you! I don't hate on Incontrol, i love the guy, amazing eSport figure, with his personality, humor and all that. But as a player... That's a chapter that should be over already, please move on to something else and do it as a hoppy. Ehm incontrol is definately an asset to EG. One of the most awesome guys in the scene in my opinion. Him, qxc, grubby and a few others are really nice people for the most part (my impression). Some are not as great personalitywise but are decent/good and a few have pretty shitty attitudes but are great at the game. Idra isnt really in either of these categories imo so I guess that makes him special in some sense ... Qxc is a godawful terran but apparently has a great personality. ...
Someone who can all-kill IM, the most successful team in SC2, is a "godawful terran"?
Jesus christ some people on TL have high standards.
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On May 15 2013 20:18 Nekovivie wrote:
Someone who can all-kill IM, the most successful team in SC2, is a "godawful terran"?
Jesus christ some people on TL have high standards.
With enough luck, any GM terran could've done that.
Now, that doesn't really mean that he's awful. He's just... average (amongst pro-gamers).
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On May 15 2013 20:18 Nekovivie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 19:34 NarAliya wrote:On May 12 2013 02:06 Snusmumriken wrote:On May 12 2013 02:00 normannlol wrote:On May 12 2013 01:53 stickyhands wrote:On May 12 2013 01:50 normannlol wrote:
I don't usually post anywhere, but it really shocks me that people are so surprised. Can't shut up.
No results at all in a long time, always bad attitude - i have been thinking for a loooong time "Who the hell want's to pay a guy like that?". This is business, if you can't deliver, you don't belong.
Next stop Incontrol.... Out with him, get some real talent. Or pay him only for the commentating, which i will give him a thumps up for!
And yes, i will properly be hated for this, but hey, it is what it is.
come on, hating on incontrol is so old now... incontrol is doing an amazing job for EG also: + Show Spoiler + Oh wow, did not realize that my TL virginity was just taken. Thumps up to you! I don't hate on Incontrol, i love the guy, amazing eSport figure, with his personality, humor and all that. But as a player... That's a chapter that should be over already, please move on to something else and do it as a hoppy. Ehm incontrol is definately an asset to EG. One of the most awesome guys in the scene in my opinion. Him, qxc, grubby and a few others are really nice people for the most part (my impression). Some are not as great personalitywise but are decent/good and a few have pretty shitty attitudes but are great at the game. Idra isnt really in either of these categories imo so I guess that makes him special in some sense ... Qxc is a godawful terran but apparently has a great personality. ... Someone who can all-kill IM, the most successful team in SC2, is a "godawful terran"? Jesus christ some people on TL have high standards.
Watch the games.
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On May 15 2013 20:29 -Kaiser- wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 20:18 Nekovivie wrote:On May 15 2013 19:34 NarAliya wrote:On May 12 2013 02:06 Snusmumriken wrote:On May 12 2013 02:00 normannlol wrote:On May 12 2013 01:53 stickyhands wrote:On May 12 2013 01:50 normannlol wrote:
I don't usually post anywhere, but it really shocks me that people are so surprised. Can't shut up.
No results at all in a long time, always bad attitude - i have been thinking for a loooong time "Who the hell want's to pay a guy like that?". This is business, if you can't deliver, you don't belong.
Next stop Incontrol.... Out with him, get some real talent. Or pay him only for the commentating, which i will give him a thumps up for!
And yes, i will properly be hated for this, but hey, it is what it is.
come on, hating on incontrol is so old now... incontrol is doing an amazing job for EG also: + Show Spoiler + Oh wow, did not realize that my TL virginity was just taken. Thumps up to you! I don't hate on Incontrol, i love the guy, amazing eSport figure, with his personality, humor and all that. But as a player... That's a chapter that should be over already, please move on to something else and do it as a hoppy. Ehm incontrol is definately an asset to EG. One of the most awesome guys in the scene in my opinion. Him, qxc, grubby and a few others are really nice people for the most part (my impression). Some are not as great personalitywise but are decent/good and a few have pretty shitty attitudes but are great at the game. Idra isnt really in either of these categories imo so I guess that makes him special in some sense ... Qxc is a godawful terran but apparently has a great personality. ... Someone who can all-kill IM, the most successful team in SC2, is a "godawful terran"? Jesus christ some people on TL have high standards. Watch the games.
I ain't saying hes the best in the world. I'm merely arguing against the choice of words here.
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On May 15 2013 20:32 Nekovivie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 20:29 -Kaiser- wrote:On May 15 2013 20:18 Nekovivie wrote:On May 15 2013 19:34 NarAliya wrote:On May 12 2013 02:06 Snusmumriken wrote:On May 12 2013 02:00 normannlol wrote:On May 12 2013 01:53 stickyhands wrote:On May 12 2013 01:50 normannlol wrote:
I don't usually post anywhere, but it really shocks me that people are so surprised. Can't shut up.
No results at all in a long time, always bad attitude - i have been thinking for a loooong time "Who the hell want's to pay a guy like that?". This is business, if you can't deliver, you don't belong.
Next stop Incontrol.... Out with him, get some real talent. Or pay him only for the commentating, which i will give him a thumps up for!
And yes, i will properly be hated for this, but hey, it is what it is.
come on, hating on incontrol is so old now... incontrol is doing an amazing job for EG also: + Show Spoiler + Oh wow, did not realize that my TL virginity was just taken. Thumps up to you! I don't hate on Incontrol, i love the guy, amazing eSport figure, with his personality, humor and all that. But as a player... That's a chapter that should be over already, please move on to something else and do it as a hoppy. Ehm incontrol is definately an asset to EG. One of the most awesome guys in the scene in my opinion. Him, qxc, grubby and a few others are really nice people for the most part (my impression). Some are not as great personalitywise but are decent/good and a few have pretty shitty attitudes but are great at the game. Idra isnt really in either of these categories imo so I guess that makes him special in some sense ... Qxc is a godawful terran but apparently has a great personality. ... Someone who can all-kill IM, the most successful team in SC2, is a "godawful terran"? Jesus christ some people on TL have high standards. Watch the games. I ain't saying hes the best in the world. I'm merely arguing against the choice of words here.
People either lack vocabulary or live with the most manichaean mindset ever seen: winn = good, loose = bad.
I know kindergardeners that could argue better than that ...
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Having watched the real talk interview I really did not buy in to most of what idra said felt he was trying to save as many fans as he could to keep his stream numbers healthy cause its odd to say you don't realise calling fans is bad but then wants to say thanks to his real fans either very naive or back peddling
but I did tune in to his stream couple of days this week there seemed to be a change in his attitude even a bit of humor but this was short lived soon abuse of other players for what he deems as bad resumed an action I feel does the most to fuel the fans he claims he does not want or needs.
I hope him the best in the future and that the casting thing works out i personally have never enjoyed his casts form his lack of any emotion other than contempt to his negativity to any style of play that differs from his own.
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i saw that IdrA to join LG-IM, isnt that great !
ITS A JOKE
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On May 15 2013 22:03 z0li wrote:
i saw that IdrA to join LG-IM, isnt that great !
ITS A JOKE
that is funny on so many different levels. i love you.
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love him or hate him, overall idra's contribution outweighs his cost. his 'activity' as esports first major 'heel' compelled thousands to pay stricter attention to the community at a time when this additional attention was greatly needed.
in the long run, everyone will look back and laugh, while others will assume a similar role in future.
seems to me that these days, most 'big time' pro sports develop these types of story lines, in concert with the media (as a segment of their overall marketing strategy), however uncomfortable this role may be to play for the individual concerned.
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Not even a week out of EG and he's calling Demuslim, a long-time teammate, a "stupid fucking gold-league terran," and saying how "Demuslim was decent a while ago and now is just absolute garbage" on his stream when they played each other... the faster Idra is out of e-sports the better in my opinion. That's not "a good personality," it's just being rude.
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On May 15 2013 22:19 cmcaneff5502 wrote:
Not even a week out of EG and he's calling Demuslim, a long-time teammate, a "stupid fucking gold-league terran," and saying how "Demuslim was decent a while ago and now is just absolute garbage" on his stream when they played each other... the faster Idra is out of e-sports the better in my opinion. That's not "a good personality," it's just being rude.
You did notice they had beef already when they both were in EG, or do you come up here ranting totally uninformed?
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On May 15 2013 22:21 FetTerBender wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2013 22:19 cmcaneff5502 wrote:
Not even a week out of EG and he's calling Demuslim, a long-time teammate, a "stupid fucking gold-league terran," and saying how "Demuslim was decent a while ago and now is just absolute garbage" on his stream when they played each other... the faster Idra is out of e-sports the better in my opinion. That's not "a good personality," it's just being rude. You did notice they had beef already when they both were in EG, or do you come up here ranting totally uninformed?
Come on, this is TL, uninformed posts about the relationships between players is our bread and butter.
I am sure that Idra disliking Demuslim has nothing to do with them being former roommates and on the same team. Who says some slightly untrue things about their former roommates they didn't like? None of us have EVER done that.
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On May 15 2013 19:34 NarAliya wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 02:06 Snusmumriken wrote:On May 12 2013 02:00 normannlol wrote:On May 12 2013 01:53 stickyhands wrote:On May 12 2013 01:50 normannlol wrote:
I don't usually post anywhere, but it really shocks me that people are so surprised. Can't shut up.
No results at all in a long time, always bad attitude - i have been thinking for a loooong time "Who the hell want's to pay a guy like that?". This is business, if you can't deliver, you don't belong.
Next stop Incontrol.... Out with him, get some real talent. Or pay him only for the commentating, which i will give him a thumps up for!
And yes, i will properly be hated for this, but hey, it is what it is.
come on, hating on incontrol is so old now... incontrol is doing an amazing job for EG also: + Show Spoiler + Oh wow, did not realize that my TL virginity was just taken. Thumps up to you! I don't hate on Incontrol, i love the guy, amazing eSport figure, with his personality, humor and all that. But as a player... That's a chapter that should be over already, please move on to something else and do it as a hoppy. Ehm incontrol is definately an asset to EG. One of the most awesome guys in the scene in my opinion. Him, qxc, grubby and a few others are really nice people for the most part (my impression). Some are not as great personalitywise but are decent/good and a few have pretty shitty attitudes but are great at the game. Idra isnt really in either of these categories imo so I guess that makes him special in some sense All the people you just mentioned are terrible players and never get any results. Incontrol is bad at the game but is apparently a great personality. Qxc is a godawful terran but apparently has a great personality. Grubby, a far cry from his BM + Right Click days is a terrible player but everyone loves him because he has a great personality. eSports isn't taken seriously (and never will be) outside of TL and Korea. If you want it to be taken seriously, you need to be supporting players who consistently achieve high level results and bring home the prize money. Paying money for casters and 'great personalities' is just silly and is ultimately bad business.
Yeah I'm sure it's the community's appreciation for personalities that's holding esports back from being mainstream. It's not like those potential mainstream viewers have no idea what the community likes lol.
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