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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
On May 10 2013 18:28 fearpLug wrote: can someone please explain to me what exactly happend? He did what he's done for years and years, rage on stream, rage quits and rage posts in response to trolls/idiots. It was more a cumulative thing imo. For whatever reason EG was fed up with his antics this time. | ||
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looken
727 Posts
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Xenomorph
United States137 Posts
At any rate it will be interesting to see what team he goes to next. | ||
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GaNgStaRR.ElV
Canada535 Posts
On May 10 2013 18:32 Arco wrote: What's he going to do even if he beats that army? His army is going to be severely diminished after trading with Polt, and then what is he going to do? Polt's economy and infrastructure could produce enough units that the reinforcements alone would clean it up. Then what? Re-max once with a measily 3k/3k bank and try to hold multiple expansions that he wasn't mining from? You guys need to stop acting like there is some amazing battle micro you can pull off to come out massively ahead in that engagement and then win the game. As Tasteless says "StarCraft is a game of math." IdrA was dead in the water, and he knew it. Umm, but there is amazing battle micro to pull off to come out massively ahead. So why can Polt reproduce when Idra can't when they have similar banks? Is there no room in your mind for the possibility of Idra playing smart, for one actually trying an offensive move to shut down your opponents mining as well. Both players were in the same situation but you judge Polt to have "won" because he got there with the cheaper, more mobile composition and Idra didn't have the skills to keep up. Im sorry but having seen the great variety of scrappy games that Sc2 has produced there is no way of judging anything. The worst of Idra's crimes is in these situations atleast other players have the passion to try to win at any cost rather than just deciding like a computer "I have quit, this is not worth my energy". I mean all he had to do was to force 1 mistake out of Polt, get some sick fungals, and trade cost efficiently while slamming that 200/200 into Polt's 2 mining bases. I would love to see a resume from replay with someone like Life playing instead of Idra, and see what happens. My bet would be the game would breakdown into a low-econ harass war. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On May 10 2013 18:22 Type|NarutO wrote: A Terran army can be worth nothing or worth a thousand times its costs. No one can say how the fight would have went. One good fungal on the ravens and you have no HSM to back up your army. That leaves you with an actually not very cost efficient army against Broodlord/Infestor/Ultra. As I said, its simply the term of putting 'no chance' in it. He had a good bank and a good army, from that position, you can win a game. Polt had the clear advantage, but that doesn't mean its an unwinnable scenario. Even if you win from that position 1/10 times, its worth a shot, because its a major 100 000$ tournament. If you have another opinion or take on it, thats fine for me, but as a matter of fact 'no chance' is the wrong term for his position. I can't help but agree here. Polt definitely had the advantage, but it's very possible that he could have accidentally misclicked or mismicroed his units in a way that would have made Idra destroy his army. Zerg reproduces far faster than Terran, just a full army trade would also have been good for Idra there. Even if the chance for a victory were 5%, there really was no excuse to not take those 5% chances. | ||
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LeniwyF
Poland2 Posts
On May 10 2013 18:28 Defacer wrote: Meh. InControl is the heart and voice of EG. And at this point, Suppy and DeMuslim are better, more consistent players. maybe but I met eg by Greg and his ragequits | ||
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Destroyr
Germany299 Posts
On May 10 2013 18:03 Epithet wrote: The person I feel most sorry for in this whole situation is Incontrol. EG mishandled this completely IMO. Maybe a sign that we are not so professional after all.. isn't it? Big esports business with it's community wants to be treated by a pro player in a professional way. And the teams wish to fullfill this idea of a proper competition by punishing the players that, probably because of their bad behavior, were the reason they are of improtance. For me this STOG episode might be another metaphor for the Hydraheaded beast that is the whole esports idea in SC 2. I really like the idea of Starcraft as a real professional competition similar to football and as an adult individual I want to be treated accordingly. But I am not seeing us in the position to judge the game and our players in such a way. In the end SC 2 is not appropriate for the masses not even playing LOL on television is. The whole idea about esports being "just" not there has some big flaws. There are so few people in all of SC 2 that behave in such a professional way. In the end we are all just playing and talking about a computer game and cheering for somebody like us. There is so much more IdrA in here you can't just eradicate it. So many players come to mind that behave difficult - even the most respected casters. But still we are allways talking about esports and business here and there... The move yesterday was so unprofessional in that it was one of the worst timings ever... unbelievable. I can't see us there yet and the action taken is ill enforced at the very very very least. | ||
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mrtomjones
Canada4020 Posts
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
On May 10 2013 18:32 Sc2Null wrote: Instead of insulting someone, read what he posted and answer his question. No korean team, kespa or esf, would want idra. Koreans are the kings of fantasy gg timing and wouldn't dare pick up someone that can be deemed 'toxic'...and he's not that good enough to be picked over actually korean players looking for a team. Not sure why people think he'd go to Korean team regardless even if they'd want him. | ||
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Ficetool
Germany165 Posts
On May 10 2013 18:31 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote: Im sorry but as long as you have a 200/200 army, mining bases and a bank, you can't say anyone has "lost". If your opponent has one mining base more, can harrass you all game long without having a chance to do sth about it and continously poke your army with HSM you have pretty much lost. Of course, as i said, there wa a small chance he could have somehow made it and I agree that he should have stay and at least tried something. However, his chances of winning were like non existent | ||
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m4inbrain
1505 Posts
Yeah, Idra said nasty stuff, Idra is a bad guy, blabla, while that is true (more or less) and i don't argue about that, he still is a person. Everyone leashes out at people every now and then, and in his "position" with so many (and there has the community a part as well) idiots talking trash to him, well.. From time to time i actually can understand him. So many people here are crying that Idra is disrespectful and stuff, but seemingly forget that the community dishes out as much as he does - if not even more. Again, that may not justify his behaviour, but makes it understandable. To me at least, since i have the (seemingly) rare gift of being almost objective, sometimes. Sad to see him go, and sad to see iNcontroL suffer because of that. On the other hand, it's "nice" to see that Idra has people who he can count on - you can see that there's a "guylove", and that's special (and rare). Haters gonna hate, fanboys gonna fanboy, i'm just sad to see him go like this. EG should've given Idra the chance to retire on his own. | ||
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GaNgStaRR.ElV
Canada535 Posts
On May 10 2013 18:34 FuzZyLogic wrote: Always nice to see low-master criticize pro-gamers. Granted, there is always a chance to win.. His were extremely low and it WAS a disservice to fans but don't pretend like you understand the situation. btw: ask ANYONE who seriously followed bw and sc2 (while they were active, not watched vods from years ago). Try to find one person who says sc2 is the better game. There's nothing wrong with enjoying sc2, but it's simply the only competitive rts right now.. Being the only choice doesn't mean it's an objectively great game. Ok,I seriously followed bw, wc3 and sc2, I think sc2 is the better game. Your extremely abstract statement means nothing because you just put words in people's mouths. And I love how you subjectively write off my opinion based on your perceived opinion on my skill level, clearly all I have to do is beat you is take one advantage, thanks. I never said Idra was in winning position but he should atleast have the bloody honor to go out like a man fighting, trying to capture that moment of brilliance, rather than just being an embarassment to the professionalism of esports. | ||
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Shawters
France26 Posts
TL.Idra, that's would be fun! (TL.HuK -> EG.HuK / EG.Idra -> TL.Idra) héhé | ||
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lessQQmorePEWPEW
Jamaica921 Posts
Reading that enrages me. That pompous fuck. EG, you have my respect for removing this piece of shit from your team, although a tad late, better late than never. Greg, learn your fucking manners you lowly human being. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Chicken Chaser
United States533 Posts
On May 10 2013 18:40 m4inbrain wrote: Hm.. The moment i start to like Idra (especially when he's not playing, funny enough - he's an awesome caster with alot of insight and actually pretty calm), this happens. It actually sucks. Yeah, Idra said nasty stuff, Idra is a bad guy, blabla, while that is true (more or less) and i don't argue about that, he still is a person. Everyone leashes out at people every now and then, and in his "position" with so many (and there has the community a part as well) idiots talking trash to him, well.. From time to time i actually can understand him. So many people here are crying that Idra is disrespectful and stuff, but seemingly forget that the community dishes out as much as he does - if not even more. Again, that may not justify his behaviour, but makes it understandable. To me at least, since i have the (seemingly) rare gift of being almost objective, sometimes. Sad to see him go, and sad to see iNcontroL suffer because of that. On the other hand, it's "nice" to see that Idra has people who he can count on - you can see that there's a "guylove", and that's special (and rare). Haters gonna hate, fanboys gonna fanboy, i'm just sad to see him go like this. EG should've given Idra the chance to retire on his own. Yeah the lynch mob/troll bandwagon/etc is pretty disgusting. There's not much to say to back Idra up, because he does say some really uhhh polarizing things... but hecklers get out of hand sometimes. It's so easy to single out a single progamer when you're among the thousands of anonymous internet trolls. :/ | ||
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pms
Poland611 Posts
Couldn't say it in a more concise and precise way at the same time  | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
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Grovbolle
Denmark3805 Posts
On May 10 2013 18:40 mrtomjones wrote: 136 pages.. this things going to break 400 I bet lol It won't | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
This is how I now imagine Greg: ![[image loading]](http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/770950/gir-dance-o.gif) | ||
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teodoreh
Greece10 Posts
* People BMing towards IdrA because of his BM. No, that's not hypocritical at all. * People claiming that they now support +500% EG while the truth is that those people never gave a crap about EG and nor they will in the future. On the other side, those people who actively supported EG because of Idra, will stop caring about EG - for real. * People exaggerate like hell in order to prove their points! "Idra treated like crap DeMuslim and the team". LOL. It was an inhouse stupid joke of Demuslim. Do haters know better how things were on the EG lair? Because for as far I know, IdrA had very good relationship with his teammates. * "IdrA was only going for the money". Actually IdrA criticized many sc2 celebrities (I think it was Day9 and/or Stephano) for going straight for the money on a couple of occasions. Talking about taking a statement of frustration and bending it to a point! Stephano was closing his stream in the past if he didn't get a decent number of viewers, and that's ok. Stephano was about to quit and stays for 6 months only to support his future studies, but it's IdrA who is going for the money. lol * "Idra hates sc2". Does he? How many players have written something like "this game is shit" and still play and watch the streams? When you are in frustration of a loss (specially when ur IdrA) you may say several things you don't really mean. * "IdrA's performance was poor". Well, IdrA in the past brought several good results to EG. Yes, he achieved nothing extraordinary for the last 1.5 year but how about other expensive contracts like HuK's? * "EG couldn't keep tolerating his BM attitude". Aren't the same company that produced promotion events like "Who is the most evil Genius"? * "Fanboys watch his stream only to troll or to whine together for balance". Oh really? Trolls and haters will always exist, but if you even tried to follow IdrA you would realize that a huge majority of users always asked one thing from him: To commentate. They didn't asked him to BM (that's a standard option) they asked him to analyze, to speak, because when he did, his stream was the #1 quality stream on the planet. * "With the latest post, Idra insulted the whole community and his fanbase, and he treats them like shit". Well, that's what haters want to believe. It's the same people who will write a 500 word post because IdrA did hit his keyboard and lost a key after a loss on a tournament. The truth is, IdrA trashtalked to a troll - like he always did. The only problem was that IdrA is IdrA while the anonymous troll is some nobody that no one gives crap about. * How many pages on TL about IdrA getting relelased from EG? 130? How about Twitter traffic? Yeah, he's definitely finished from the scene!  IdrA was the soul of EG. He was great promoter, VERY professional and respectful towards the sponsors (as I wrote before, can you claim the same for some other "pro" players of EG?). I wish him the best to whatever he does, and as GOB said "EG made a huge mistake". Oh, and the fan made video!: ;D | ||
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