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Didn't think that'd be the comment to hit the nail on the head for IdrA, but hopefully this just creates new opportunities for IdrA to grow as a progamer and person. Whether he continues SC2 or leaves it to pursue something he can enjoy more, I hope he learns from these experiences.
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To everyone saying "OMG such a bad move by EG", "EG = Idra" , "How can EG do that?" etc.
Dont pretend as if you were so much more clever than the EG managers and know so much more than them. I am pretty sure these guys are very intelligent and know their business. They knew what value Idra was to EG. That is why they ignored with his behaviour for years. I mean they hired him kinda because of that. But there are limits to everything and i am sure this decision was very hard for everyone that was involved.
The sad part is that apparently Idra didnt get that there are still boundaries and limits and he thought he was like an immortal and kept on going to shit on everyone. Someone should have told him that things do not work this way. I am thinking about real friends here. Someone shouldve woken him up...
I hope he atleast managed his earned money well and as incontrol said yesterday he should take a break for a week or so and just think about what he was doing and what he wants to do from now on.
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While I'm not fan of IdrA he's still more entertaining to watch than most streamers out there, in matter of fact I've been playing SC2 for not too long at all. Also funny thing is people keep posting that screenshot of him telling whole community to fuck off and feeling "so offended" when you don't even watch his stream/etc.... you're all hypocrites, and seriously are you little kids to get offended by that? Whether he get's paid to bm and everything more than average x, why should you care. Even if his comments are overboard by your highly hypocratic morals at least he's saying what he thinks and who are you to judge him?
When Stephano leaves EG it's gonna be pretty boring team , Incontrol is fun to watch as caster but that's pretty much it.
As for business point of view why did they let him go - only EG Ceo could answer that question if money wise it really was the best option to fire him. If it wasn't it just a bad business even if someone like IdrA is PR nightmare.
Good luck to him in his future ventures. Pretty sure he's gonna be just fine.
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On May 10 2013 18:25 LeniwyF wrote:
To me EG without Greg is not EG.
Meh. InControl is the heart and voice of EG. And at this point, Suppy and DeMuslim are better, more consistent players.
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On May 10 2013 18:26 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 18:23 FuzZyLogic wrote:
To be fair, he does hate SC2 and has told everyone this since the beginning. A lot of people can force themselves to "love" things they really don't enjoy, since it's their livelihood (see every ex-bw pro).
Honestly, how many ex-bw pros do you think really enjoy playing SC2 (extremely dumbed down shell of sc1)? The reason idra was so successful (foreigner scene) in bw was because he LOVED the game, he demonstrated that he's capable of playing a game he hates to pay the bills..
One of the things people liked about him was his total lack of PC bullshit, 95% of progamers public personas are that of well-mannered robots who are indistinguishable from one another. I don't think having one cynical person was "toxic" to the scene, but I totally understand why he's being dropped as he isn't a popular enough contender OR a very relevant personality anymore..
This will probably be better for idra in the long run, he has the money to pursue something fulfilling instead of the depressing grind sc2 has been for him. I don't think it's up to you to make assumptions about people's enjoyment of the game aside from yourself and publicly available information. Also calling sc2 a "dumbdown shell of sc1" makes it hard to take what you read seriously. And there are others in the scene who don't just spout PC PR lines without degrading their opponents, the scene,their team, and ultimately themselves.
Well it is a dumbed down shell of SC1, I have played sc2 quite a bit but only because the bw scene is kinda dead.
I think my argument is fairly obvious if you've followed both games, I can explain if you like. How can you argue that it isn't?
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On May 10 2013 18:24 Arco wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 18:22 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:On May 10 2013 18:20 Arco wrote:On May 10 2013 18:18 Type|NarutO wrote:On May 10 2013 18:16 Arco wrote:On May 10 2013 18:15 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:On May 10 2013 18:13 Arco wrote:On May 10 2013 18:13 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:On May 10 2013 18:10 Arco wrote:On May 10 2013 18:05 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:
After recommendations from people to check out Idra's WCS games I had a look.
I must say after that kind of behavior regardless of his comments in the EG thread I would have released him.
200/200 with 3k/3k bank, with a foothold on the 6 o clock base on Daybreak on Ultra/Infestor/Broodlord, and he ragequits because he can't handle being harassed?
When you take a collective look at everything this guy brings to Starcraft I hope he dissapears and never returns; he is an embarassment to this scene. He is definately our fallen angel. Uh, foothold on the 6 oclock base? Guess you're the victim of bad observing -- the only player who had a foothold on 6 oclock when IdrA left the game was Polt. The minimap is your friend. He had no chance to win that game, even after expending his 200 supply army and remaxing with 3k/3k. Zero. Zilch. Nada. Funny because right at the end he runs away from it for 2 seconds because of hunter seekers but until that point he was camping that spot with a flock of broods, corrupters, infestors and ultras. Maybe its you who needs your eyes checked? He was in the middle of the map, and Polt's army had moved in and killed it. Sorry bro, keep circlejerking on the hate train. And then he had his army at that base for 5 minutes while Polt killed the 10 o clock. So he still had a foothold. Sorry bro keep hating. ??? The 6 oclock died after the 10 o clock died. Polt steamrolled it literally 5 seconds before IdrA left the game. The observers didn't catch it -- neither did you. Minimap. Useful. 'No chance of winning' is untrue, saw bigger comebacks and it was certainly possible with a more defensive stance. Please explain how a defensive stance could have helped. Polt's army was too cost effective. He could have simply attacked and kept his production full speed. IdrA had one "good" army left, and it wasn't even that good. A 3k/3k remax wouldn't have done squat versus 3/3 Bio / Ravens and the infrastructure and economy to reproduce and constantly attack. Idra had enough fungals/broodlords/ultras to literally melt 200/200 worth of bio with next to 0 losses assuming he had the skill to take a decent engage. All I saw was him being pulled around all game until he got mad enough to quit despite still being in a reasonable position. Yeah, I'm sure 7 Infestors is enough to lock down a maxed 200/200 bio army with Ravens. Good one. 
It's certainly enough to get the bigger chunks of units to enable your army to destroy them. 7 infestors is roughly 14 fungals, I'm pretty sure you can get a decent primer coat down with that.
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can someone please explain to me what exactly happend?
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On May 10 2013 18:28 FuzZyLogic wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 18:26 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:On May 10 2013 18:23 FuzZyLogic wrote:
To be fair, he does hate SC2 and has told everyone this since the beginning. A lot of people can force themselves to "love" things they really don't enjoy, since it's their livelihood (see every ex-bw pro).
Honestly, how many ex-bw pros do you think really enjoy playing SC2 (extremely dumbed down shell of sc1)? The reason idra was so successful (foreigner scene) in bw was because he LOVED the game, he demonstrated that he's capable of playing a game he hates to pay the bills..
One of the things people liked about him was his total lack of PC bullshit, 95% of progamers public personas are that of well-mannered robots who are indistinguishable from one another. I don't think having one cynical person was "toxic" to the scene, but I totally understand why he's being dropped as he isn't a popular enough contender OR a very relevant personality anymore..
This will probably be better for idra in the long run, he has the money to pursue something fulfilling instead of the depressing grind sc2 has been for him. I don't think it's up to you to make assumptions about people's enjoyment of the game aside from yourself and publicly available information. Also calling sc2 a "dumbdown shell of sc1" makes it hard to take what you read seriously. And there are others in the scene who don't just spout PC PR lines without degrading their opponents, the scene,their team, and ultimately themselves. Well it is a dumbed down shell of SC1, I have played sc2 quite a bit but only because the bw scene is kinda dead.
Well then follow idra and don't let the door hit you on the way out. Some of us actually enjoy this game?
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On May 10 2013 18:25 Arco wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 18:22 Type|NarutO wrote:On May 10 2013 18:20 Arco wrote:On May 10 2013 18:18 Type|NarutO wrote:On May 10 2013 18:16 Arco wrote:On May 10 2013 18:15 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:On May 10 2013 18:13 Arco wrote:On May 10 2013 18:13 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:On May 10 2013 18:10 Arco wrote:On May 10 2013 18:05 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:
After recommendations from people to check out Idra's WCS games I had a look.
I must say after that kind of behavior regardless of his comments in the EG thread I would have released him.
200/200 with 3k/3k bank, with a foothold on the 6 o clock base on Daybreak on Ultra/Infestor/Broodlord, and he ragequits because he can't handle being harassed?
When you take a collective look at everything this guy brings to Starcraft I hope he dissapears and never returns; he is an embarassment to this scene. He is definately our fallen angel. Uh, foothold on the 6 oclock base? Guess you're the victim of bad observing -- the only player who had a foothold on 6 oclock when IdrA left the game was Polt. The minimap is your friend. He had no chance to win that game, even after expending his 200 supply army and remaxing with 3k/3k. Zero. Zilch. Nada. Funny because right at the end he runs away from it for 2 seconds because of hunter seekers but until that point he was camping that spot with a flock of broods, corrupters, infestors and ultras. Maybe its you who needs your eyes checked? He was in the middle of the map, and Polt's army had moved in and killed it. Sorry bro, keep circlejerking on the hate train. And then he had his army at that base for 5 minutes while Polt killed the 10 o clock. So he still had a foothold. Sorry bro keep hating. ??? The 6 oclock died after the 10 o clock died. Polt steamrolled it literally 5 seconds before IdrA left the game. The observers didn't catch it -- neither did you. Minimap. Useful. 'No chance of winning' is untrue, saw bigger comebacks and it was certainly possible with a more defensive stance. Please explain how a defensive stance could have helped. Polt's army was too cost effective. He could have simply attacked and kept his production full speed. IdrA had one "good" army left, and it wasn't even that good. A 3k/3k remax wouldn't have done squat versus 3/3 Bio / Ravens and the infrastructure and economy to reproduce and constantly attack. A Terran army can be worth nothing or worth a thousand times its costs. No one can say how the fight would have went. One good fungal on the ravens and you have no HSM to back up your army. That leaves you with an actually not very cost efficient army against Broodlord/Infestor/Ultra. As I said, its simply the term of putting 'no chance' in it. He had a good bank and a good army, from that position, you can win a game. Polt had the clear advantage, but that doesn't mean its an unwinnable scenario. Even if you win from that position 1/10 times, its worth a shot, because its a major 100 000$ tournament. If you have another opinion or take on it, thats fine for me, but as a matter of fact 'no chance' is the wrong term for his position. I agree, he didn't account for mistakes Polt could have made. Realistically though, he had less than 10% chance to win, and 10% is being generous.
Yes, I think IdrA would not have a 10% chance in that game, because he's IdrA and his mindset doesn't allow him. The actual neutral game position would allow a chance even higher than 10% in my personal opinion. I think if you would put Life / SoulKey in that position, they could have made it work.
Ofcourse you can be as good as you want, no one is going to turn an army value of 1000 into a billion, but as a matter of fact, the army composition he had was one of the most cost efficient, if it happens to be played right. Mistakes have to be taken into account (from Polt), but Polt is an excellent player and if you want to account for mistakes, you need to account for them on his level. Polt is not going to move command his army into yours and give you a 80 supply advantage. Granted, it didn't look as good as some people make it sound - but leaving the game / having no chance was an exeggeration just as much as 'IdrA was in a good position'.
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On May 10 2013 18:25 LeniwyF wrote:
To me EG without Greg is not EG.
conversely Greg without EG is just Gr
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On May 10 2013 18:19 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 18:17 4ZakeN87 wrote:
Wow.. 133 pages from a "player leaving a team" thread. That got to be a record. If nothing else it speaks volumes of what a central figure Idra is in SC2 regardless of his performance/behavior lately. He is basically famous for being famous. The Kim Kardashian of sc2.
lol, could not have said it better 
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On May 10 2013 18:28 fearpLug wrote:
can someone please explain to me what exactly happend?
This happened:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/FgezXgU.jpg)
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EG is not SC2 guys, pretty sure they've been a big esports organization long long before SC2, and may be long after it.
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On May 10 2013 17:53 Evangelist wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 17:51 Terranist wrote:On May 10 2013 17:40 Fuell wrote:On May 10 2013 17:32 Jakkerr wrote:On May 10 2013 17:29 tomatriedes wrote:
Idra being Idra I can't see him being willing to take a salary cut to keep playing a game he's not very enthusiastic about and what non-Korean team can possibly match what EG was paying him? Are you implying that Korean teams can match what EG was paying him or am I just misunderstanding your comment. As far as outside of Korea goes, yeah EG had the best facilities and he screwed it up. Most Korean teams can easily match IdrA's salary with EG, especially KeSPA teams. i'd like to see what convinced you to think that ludicrous statement is even remotely true. Or what Korean team is going to want to employ a player who quits a 200/200 game against Polt.
On May 10 2013 18:05 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:
After recommendations from people to check out Idra's WCS games I had a look.
I must say after that kind of behavior regardless of his comments in the EG thread I would have released him.
200/200 with 3k/3k bank, with a foothold on the 6 o clock base on Daybreak on Ultra/Infestor/Broodlord, and he ragequits because he can't handle being harassed?
When you take a collective look at everything this guy brings to Starcraft I hope he dissapears and never returns; he is an embarassment to this scene. He is definately our fallen angel.
Please learn to understand the game..... Idra had already lost. He simply didn't want to take the off chance to take the fight and win by a nmiracle. Just PLEASE learn to play before posting stupid statements like this
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On May 10 2013 18:30 Ficetool wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 17:53 Evangelist wrote:On May 10 2013 17:51 Terranist wrote:On May 10 2013 17:40 Fuell wrote:On May 10 2013 17:32 Jakkerr wrote:On May 10 2013 17:29 tomatriedes wrote:
Idra being Idra I can't see him being willing to take a salary cut to keep playing a game he's not very enthusiastic about and what non-Korean team can possibly match what EG was paying him? Are you implying that Korean teams can match what EG was paying him or am I just misunderstanding your comment. As far as outside of Korea goes, yeah EG had the best facilities and he screwed it up. Most Korean teams can easily match IdrA's salary with EG, especially KeSPA teams. i'd like to see what convinced you to think that ludicrous statement is even remotely true. Or what Korean team is going to want to employ a player who quits a 200/200 game against Polt. Please learn to understand the game..... Idra had already lost. He simply didn't want to take the off chance to take the fight and win by a nmiracle. Just PLESA learn to play before posting stupid statements like this
Im sorry but as long as you have a 200/200 army, mining bases and a bank, you can't say anyone has "lost".
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On May 10 2013 18:28 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 18:24 Arco wrote:On May 10 2013 18:22 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:On May 10 2013 18:20 Arco wrote:On May 10 2013 18:18 Type|NarutO wrote:On May 10 2013 18:16 Arco wrote:On May 10 2013 18:15 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:On May 10 2013 18:13 Arco wrote:On May 10 2013 18:13 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:On May 10 2013 18:10 Arco wrote:
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Uh, foothold on the 6 oclock base? Guess you're the victim of bad observing -- the only player who had a foothold on 6 oclock when IdrA left the game was Polt. The minimap is your friend.
He had no chance to win that game, even after expending his 200 supply army and remaxing with 3k/3k. Zero. Zilch. Nada. Funny because right at the end he runs away from it for 2 seconds because of hunter seekers but until that point he was camping that spot with a flock of broods, corrupters, infestors and ultras. Maybe its you who needs your eyes checked? He was in the middle of the map, and Polt's army had moved in and killed it. Sorry bro, keep circlejerking on the hate train. And then he had his army at that base for 5 minutes while Polt killed the 10 o clock. So he still had a foothold. Sorry bro keep hating. ??? The 6 oclock died after the 10 o clock died. Polt steamrolled it literally 5 seconds before IdrA left the game. The observers didn't catch it -- neither did you. Minimap. Useful. 'No chance of winning' is untrue, saw bigger comebacks and it was certainly possible with a more defensive stance. Please explain how a defensive stance could have helped. Polt's army was too cost effective. He could have simply attacked and kept his production full speed. IdrA had one "good" army left, and it wasn't even that good. A 3k/3k remax wouldn't have done squat versus 3/3 Bio / Ravens and the infrastructure and economy to reproduce and constantly attack. Idra had enough fungals/broodlords/ultras to literally melt 200/200 worth of bio with next to 0 losses assuming he had the skill to take a decent engage. All I saw was him being pulled around all game until he got mad enough to quit despite still being in a reasonable position. Yeah, I'm sure 7 Infestors is enough to lock down a maxed 200/200 bio army with Ravens. Good one. It's certainly enough to get the bigger chunks of units to enable your army to destroy them. 7 infestors is roughly 14 fungals, I'm pretty sure you can get a decent primer coat down with that.
What's Idra going to do even if he beats Polt's army? His own army is going to be severely diminished after trading with it, and then what is he going to do? Polt's economy and infrastructure could produce enough units that the reinforcements alone would clean it up. Then what? Re-max once with a measily 3k/3k bank and try to hold multiple expansions that he had to rebuild and wasn't mining from?
There's no option to play defensive either. Polt can just trade with him until he dies. IdrA didn't have the economy to produce sufficient high tech units that he needed to stop this aggression. Aka, he's lost the game.
You guys need to stop acting like there is some amazing battle micro you can pull off to come out massively ahead in that engagement and then win the game. As Tasteless says "StarCraft is a game of math." IdrA was dead in the water, and he knew it.
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oh man that kid.. thx for the info anyways.
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On May 10 2013 18:30 Ficetool wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 17:53 Evangelist wrote:On May 10 2013 17:51 Terranist wrote:On May 10 2013 17:40 Fuell wrote:On May 10 2013 17:32 Jakkerr wrote:On May 10 2013 17:29 tomatriedes wrote:
Idra being Idra I can't see him being willing to take a salary cut to keep playing a game he's not very enthusiastic about and what non-Korean team can possibly match what EG was paying him? Are you implying that Korean teams can match what EG was paying him or am I just misunderstanding your comment. As far as outside of Korea goes, yeah EG had the best facilities and he screwed it up. Most Korean teams can easily match IdrA's salary with EG, especially KeSPA teams. i'd like to see what convinced you to think that ludicrous statement is even remotely true. Or what Korean team is going to want to employ a player who quits a 200/200 game against Polt. Please learn to understand the game..... Idra had already lost. He simply didn't want to take the off chance to take the fight and win by a nmiracle. Just PLESA learn to play before posting stupid statements like this
Instead of insulting someone, read what he posted and answer his question. No korean team, kespa or esf, would want idra. Koreans are the kings of fantasy gg timing and wouldn't dare pick up someone that can be deemed 'toxic'...and he's not that good enough to be picked over actually korean players looking for a team.
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On May 10 2013 18:29 Hoender wrote:conversely Greg without EG is just Gr
LOL
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On May 10 2013 18:31 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 18:30 Ficetool wrote:On May 10 2013 17:53 Evangelist wrote:On May 10 2013 17:51 Terranist wrote:On May 10 2013 17:40 Fuell wrote:On May 10 2013 17:32 Jakkerr wrote:On May 10 2013 17:29 tomatriedes wrote:
Idra being Idra I can't see him being willing to take a salary cut to keep playing a game he's not very enthusiastic about and what non-Korean team can possibly match what EG was paying him? Are you implying that Korean teams can match what EG was paying him or am I just misunderstanding your comment. As far as outside of Korea goes, yeah EG had the best facilities and he screwed it up. Most Korean teams can easily match IdrA's salary with EG, especially KeSPA teams. i'd like to see what convinced you to think that ludicrous statement is even remotely true. Or what Korean team is going to want to employ a player who quits a 200/200 game against Polt. Please learn to understand the game..... Idra had already lost. He simply didn't want to take the off chance to take the fight and win by a nmiracle. Just PLESA learn to play before posting stupid statements like this Im sorry but as long as you have a 200/200 army, mining bases and a bank, you can't say anyone has "lost".
Always nice to see low-master criticize pro-gamers. Granted, there is always a chance to win.. His were extremely low and it WAS a disservice to fans but don't pretend like you understand the situation.
btw: ask ANYONE who seriously followed bw and sc2 (while they were active, not watched vods from years ago). Try to find one person who says sc2 is the better game.
There's nothing wrong with enjoying sc2, but it's simply the only competitive rts right now.. Being the only choice doesn't mean it's an objectively great game.
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