• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 15:25
CEST 21:25
KST 04:25
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash10[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy18ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book20
Community News
Weekly Cups (March 23-29): herO takes triple6Aligulac acquired by REPLAYMAN.com/Stego Research8Weekly Cups (March 16-22): herO doubles, Cure surprises3Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool51Weekly Cups (March 9-15): herO, Clem, ByuN win4
StarCraft 2
General
Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool What mix of new & old maps do you want in the next ladder pool? (SC2) Aligulac acquired by REPLAYMAN.com/Stego Research Weekly Cups (March 23-29): herO takes triple
Tourneys
RSL Season 4 announced for March-April Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) WardiTV Mondays World University TeamLeague (500$+) | Signups Open
Strategy
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Frigid Storage Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026]
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 520 Moving Fees Mutation # 519 Inner Power Mutation # 518 Radiation Zone
Brood War
General
so ive been playing broodwar for a week straight. Klaucher discontinued / in-game color settings BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Pros React To: JaeDong vs Queen [ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Ro24 Group E [ASL21] Ro24 Group F Azhi's Colosseum - Foreign KCM
Strategy
What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Darkest Dungeon
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread NASA and the Private Sector Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT] Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread General nutrition recommendations
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
China Uses Video Games to Sh…
TrAiDoS
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Electronics
mantequilla
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1444 users

Evil Geniuses Releases Greg "IdrA" Fields - Page 133

Forum Index > SC2 General
4974 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 131 132 133 134 135 249 Next
aka_star
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United Kingdom1546 Posts
May 10 2013 09:12 GMT
#2641
I just shat a break
FlashDave.999 aka Star
GaNgStaRR.ElV
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada535 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-10 09:14:22
May 10 2013 09:13 GMT
#2642
On May 10 2013 18:10 Arco wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2013 18:05 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:
After recommendations from people to check out Idra's WCS games I had a look.

I must say after that kind of behavior regardless of his comments in the EG thread I would have released him.

200/200 with 3k/3k bank, with a foothold on the 6 o clock base on Daybreak on Ultra/Infestor/Broodlord, and he ragequits because he can't handle being harassed?

When you take a collective look at everything this guy brings to Starcraft I hope he dissapears and never returns; he is an embarassment to this scene. He is definately our fallen angel.

Uh, foothold on the 6 oclock base? Guess you're the victim of bad observing -- the only player who had a foothold on 6 oclock when IdrA left the game was Polt. The minimap is your friend.

He had no chance to win that game, even after expending his 200 supply army and remaxing with 3k/3k. Zero. Zilch. Nada.



Funny because right at the end he runs away from it for 2 seconds because of hunter seekers but until that point he was camping that spot with a flock of broods, corrupters, infestors and ultras. Maybe its you who needs your eyes checked?

And you saying he had no chance is of no relevance and from the same camp of defeatist mindsets that idra belongs to.
SpeaKEaSY
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1070 Posts
May 10 2013 09:13 GMT
#2643
Can't believe EG actually released the gracken
Aim for perfection, settle for mediocrity - KawaiiRice 2014
Arco
Profile Joined September 2009
United States2090 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-10 09:14:45
May 10 2013 09:13 GMT
#2644
On May 10 2013 18:13 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2013 18:10 Arco wrote:
On May 10 2013 18:05 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:
After recommendations from people to check out Idra's WCS games I had a look.

I must say after that kind of behavior regardless of his comments in the EG thread I would have released him.

200/200 with 3k/3k bank, with a foothold on the 6 o clock base on Daybreak on Ultra/Infestor/Broodlord, and he ragequits because he can't handle being harassed?

When you take a collective look at everything this guy brings to Starcraft I hope he dissapears and never returns; he is an embarassment to this scene. He is definately our fallen angel.

Uh, foothold on the 6 oclock base? Guess you're the victim of bad observing -- the only player who had a foothold on 6 oclock when IdrA left the game was Polt. The minimap is your friend.

He had no chance to win that game, even after expending his 200 supply army and remaxing with 3k/3k. Zero. Zilch. Nada.



Funny because right at the end he runs away from it for 2 seconds because of hunter seekers but until that point he was camping that spot with a flock of broods, corrupters, infestors and ultras. Maybe its you who needs your eyes checked?

He was in the middle of the map, and Polt's army had moved in and killed it. Sorry bro, keep circlejerking on that hate train.
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
May 10 2013 09:14 GMT
#2645
On May 10 2013 17:59 chrotti wrote:
Show nested quote +
But, to us, there's a very big difference between a player being disrespectful to an opponent in a ladder match, and a player being disrespectful to the entire community of people

Is there really such a big difference?

I applaud EG's decision, but the reasoning behind it smells a bit fishy to me. Either you want your players to show respect or you don't. Now suddenly drawing the 'red line' between respecting opponents and respecting the community is just camouflage. They should have come to this decision a long time ago, and they know it.

Anyway, I hope Idra will finally realize that you don't have to be a jerk in order to be 'cool' and 'special'. Normally that kind of insight comes with age, in Idra's case it seems to take something else. Maybe getting fired?



Honestly, I think there's a bunch of reasons that culminated into this decision. For example:

1) Not practicing with teammates.

2) Creating unnecessary tension in the team house between himself and DeMuslim.

3) Openly saying he hates playing SC2 (and hence, his job). Repeatedly.

4) Constantly whining about imbalance. (This is like having to work with that one asshole that complains and whines about EVERYTHING).

5) Saying that he thinks the community/SC2 are 'fucks,' and that he gets paid to treat them like fucks. (This is like an employee that openly brags about cursing out the customers because he thinks he's untouchable)

6) Rage quitting or leaving games without playing them out. Even if a situation is unwinnable, he doesn't respect his fans enough to even try.

Personally, his comments plus the way he lost at WCS (basically walking off the field because a single play didn't go his way) is probably why EG chose to part ways with him now.
FuKcYeAh
Profile Joined May 2013
Germany7 Posts
May 10 2013 09:15 GMT
#2646
i wont miss him ...

gave his stream quaite a few chances ... always thinking "he had a bad day maybe" ... but i figured he is just not the kind of person i like to watch in a stream.

Stuff like "get cancer" is far beyond trolling bad manner style streaming for "fun". Someone like this does not belong to a professional scene no matter how good he plays.

Since im a new user i cant attach pictures to my post but its stuff like this --> http://i.imgur.com/LPgTR0W.jpg
that makes me think he should use this opportunity to maybe start over or get lost.
MadMarc
Profile Joined April 2013
Denmark7 Posts
May 10 2013 09:15 GMT
#2647
I don't understand this at all! There are people who like him for how he is just as with every other player. He brings fire to the community, and pleasure to everyone who can just sit back and laugh, without taking what he says seriously.
GaNgStaRR.ElV
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada535 Posts
May 10 2013 09:15 GMT
#2648
On May 10 2013 18:13 Arco wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2013 18:13 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:
On May 10 2013 18:10 Arco wrote:
On May 10 2013 18:05 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:
After recommendations from people to check out Idra's WCS games I had a look.

I must say after that kind of behavior regardless of his comments in the EG thread I would have released him.

200/200 with 3k/3k bank, with a foothold on the 6 o clock base on Daybreak on Ultra/Infestor/Broodlord, and he ragequits because he can't handle being harassed?

When you take a collective look at everything this guy brings to Starcraft I hope he dissapears and never returns; he is an embarassment to this scene. He is definately our fallen angel.

Uh, foothold on the 6 oclock base? Guess you're the victim of bad observing -- the only player who had a foothold on 6 oclock when IdrA left the game was Polt. The minimap is your friend.

He had no chance to win that game, even after expending his 200 supply army and remaxing with 3k/3k. Zero. Zilch. Nada.



Funny because right at the end he runs away from it for 2 seconds because of hunter seekers but until that point he was camping that spot with a flock of broods, corrupters, infestors and ultras. Maybe its you who needs your eyes checked?

He was in the middle of the map, and Polt's army had moved in and killed it. Sorry bro, keep circlejerking on the hate train.


And then he had his army at that base for 5 minutes while Polt killed the 10 o clock. So he still had a foothold. Sorry bro keep hating.
Ncutable
Profile Joined October 2010
Romania99 Posts
May 10 2013 09:16 GMT
#2649
On May 10 2013 17:25 Desertfaux wrote:
Random comment nobody will read because of the speed of this thread.

Goodbye, Idra.

10/10 would read again

Glad I´m one of those more interested in gameplay. Godd riddance!
道常無名
OrchidThief
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark2298 Posts
May 10 2013 09:16 GMT
#2650
Holy crap. And just after he moved and everything.
Arco
Profile Joined September 2009
United States2090 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-10 09:17:37
May 10 2013 09:16 GMT
#2651
On May 10 2013 18:15 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2013 18:13 Arco wrote:
On May 10 2013 18:13 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:
On May 10 2013 18:10 Arco wrote:
On May 10 2013 18:05 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:
After recommendations from people to check out Idra's WCS games I had a look.

I must say after that kind of behavior regardless of his comments in the EG thread I would have released him.

200/200 with 3k/3k bank, with a foothold on the 6 o clock base on Daybreak on Ultra/Infestor/Broodlord, and he ragequits because he can't handle being harassed?

When you take a collective look at everything this guy brings to Starcraft I hope he dissapears and never returns; he is an embarassment to this scene. He is definately our fallen angel.

Uh, foothold on the 6 oclock base? Guess you're the victim of bad observing -- the only player who had a foothold on 6 oclock when IdrA left the game was Polt. The minimap is your friend.

He had no chance to win that game, even after expending his 200 supply army and remaxing with 3k/3k. Zero. Zilch. Nada.



Funny because right at the end he runs away from it for 2 seconds because of hunter seekers but until that point he was camping that spot with a flock of broods, corrupters, infestors and ultras. Maybe its you who needs your eyes checked?

He was in the middle of the map, and Polt's army had moved in and killed it. Sorry bro, keep circlejerking on the hate train.


And then he had his army at that base for 5 minutes while Polt killed the 10 o clock. So he still had a foothold. Sorry bro keep hating.


???

The 6 oclock died after the 10 o clock died. Polt steamrolled it literally 5 seconds before IdrA left the game. The observers didn't catch it -- neither did you. Minimap. Useful.

http://www.twitch.tv/wcs_america/b/400977752?t=47m42s

Watch the minimap, champ.
turtleSgang
Profile Joined June 2011
Ukraine1 Post
May 10 2013 09:16 GMT
#2652
not a fan of eg anymore=\
4ZakeN87
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1071 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-10 09:18:19
May 10 2013 09:17 GMT
#2653
Wow.. 133 pages from a "player leaving a team" thread. That got to be a record. If nothing else it speaks volumes of what a central figure Idra is in SC2 regardless of his performance/behavior lately.
"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler" Einstein
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-10 09:17:57
May 10 2013 09:17 GMT
#2654
On May 10 2013 18:05 FuzZyLogic wrote:
I don't think this had much to do with his personality. I assume he was just facing a very significant salary cut and would rather retire than waste his life playing a game he hates/isn't very competitive in (probably mostly due to hating it).

Now speculations are going on about him switching into LoL(I personally think he could never handle having 9 potential people to blame especially when the banhammer swings so quickly for BM there).
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
May 10 2013 09:17 GMT
#2655
On May 10 2013 17:51 majava wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2013 17:41 sfbaydave wrote:
Freckin EG....

Treating kids like they're pieces of meat.
Idra made EG so much money over the last few years.
Now that they feel he wont generate as much money, they throw him out like trash.


You mean how EG paid Idra and in return Idra created revenue for EG. And when EG figured they wouldn't be getting their moneys worth anymore they fired him? Damn that sounds almost like something only every company in the face of the earth would do.

You're right, shame on EG. How could they fire an underperforming employee!


hahahaha spot on. Some really delusional people in here.
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
May 10 2013 09:18 GMT
#2656
On May 10 2013 18:16 Arco wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2013 18:15 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:
On May 10 2013 18:13 Arco wrote:
On May 10 2013 18:13 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:
On May 10 2013 18:10 Arco wrote:
On May 10 2013 18:05 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:
After recommendations from people to check out Idra's WCS games I had a look.

I must say after that kind of behavior regardless of his comments in the EG thread I would have released him.

200/200 with 3k/3k bank, with a foothold on the 6 o clock base on Daybreak on Ultra/Infestor/Broodlord, and he ragequits because he can't handle being harassed?

When you take a collective look at everything this guy brings to Starcraft I hope he dissapears and never returns; he is an embarassment to this scene. He is definately our fallen angel.

Uh, foothold on the 6 oclock base? Guess you're the victim of bad observing -- the only player who had a foothold on 6 oclock when IdrA left the game was Polt. The minimap is your friend.

He had no chance to win that game, even after expending his 200 supply army and remaxing with 3k/3k. Zero. Zilch. Nada.



Funny because right at the end he runs away from it for 2 seconds because of hunter seekers but until that point he was camping that spot with a flock of broods, corrupters, infestors and ultras. Maybe its you who needs your eyes checked?

He was in the middle of the map, and Polt's army had moved in and killed it. Sorry bro, keep circlejerking on the hate train.


And then he had his army at that base for 5 minutes while Polt killed the 10 o clock. So he still had a foothold. Sorry bro keep hating.


???

The 6 oclock died after the 10 o clock died. Polt steamrolled it literally 5 seconds before IdrA left the game. The observers didn't catch it -- neither did you. Minimap. Useful.


'No chance of winning' is untrue, saw bigger comebacks and it was certainly possible with a more defensive stance.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
llIH
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2147 Posts
May 10 2013 09:18 GMT
#2657
I wonder what will happen. What team he will go to or if he will retire?
GaNgStaRR.ElV
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada535 Posts
May 10 2013 09:18 GMT
#2658
On May 10 2013 18:16 Arco wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2013 18:15 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:
On May 10 2013 18:13 Arco wrote:
On May 10 2013 18:13 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:
On May 10 2013 18:10 Arco wrote:
On May 10 2013 18:05 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:
After recommendations from people to check out Idra's WCS games I had a look.

I must say after that kind of behavior regardless of his comments in the EG thread I would have released him.

200/200 with 3k/3k bank, with a foothold on the 6 o clock base on Daybreak on Ultra/Infestor/Broodlord, and he ragequits because he can't handle being harassed?

When you take a collective look at everything this guy brings to Starcraft I hope he dissapears and never returns; he is an embarassment to this scene. He is definately our fallen angel.

Uh, foothold on the 6 oclock base? Guess you're the victim of bad observing -- the only player who had a foothold on 6 oclock when IdrA left the game was Polt. The minimap is your friend.

He had no chance to win that game, even after expending his 200 supply army and remaxing with 3k/3k. Zero. Zilch. Nada.



Funny because right at the end he runs away from it for 2 seconds because of hunter seekers but until that point he was camping that spot with a flock of broods, corrupters, infestors and ultras. Maybe its you who needs your eyes checked?

He was in the middle of the map, and Polt's army had moved in and killed it. Sorry bro, keep circlejerking on the hate train.


And then he had his army at that base for 5 minutes while Polt killed the 10 o clock. So he still had a foothold. Sorry bro keep hating.


???

The 6 oclock died after the 10 o clock died. Polt steamrolled it literally 5 seconds before IdrA left the game. The observers didn't catch it -- neither did you. Minimap. Useful.



Since when did having an army in a position not= having a foothold? Idra is just a defeatist who runs away from seeker missiles despite them doing no damage, therefore the fact he abandoned his advantage to avoid 3 seeker missles has no relevance with the outcome.
Deckkie
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1595 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-10 09:19:49
May 10 2013 09:18 GMT
#2659
I wonder how much it had to do with IdrA his position within the team. The old boys from the NA BW scene seem to always back him up. We always heard how awesome he was behind the screen from people like iNcontrol, Artosis and such.

These old boys lately seem to have trouble to have each other their back however. Demuslim had problems with IdrA. Stephano was quite open about his dislike towards IdrA (Dont know how much he was joking, if he can joke). I doubt HuK had a real bond with IdrA.

Between IdrA his preformance (which is probably a minor issue), his weird relationship with the community, this could be a big third reason for his release.

Obviously I am theory crafting, but, it does seem logical at the same time.
Always look on the bright side of life
sabas123
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands3122 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-10 09:20:38
May 10 2013 09:18 GMT
#2660
i wonder which korean they will get in hes place lol.

it would still like greg to be in the community thou. i know that bad manner is can be bad for a scene, but i think it would still be better if he could stay in the community.

and besides, it is nice to have people who exetly say the fuck they really feel instead of lying there whole career.
The harder it becomes, the more you should focus on the basics.
Prev 1 131 132 133 134 135 249 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
BSL
19:00
S22 - Open Qualifier #6
ZZZero.O49
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 730
SteadfastSC 228
IndyStarCraft 212
elazer 139
Hui .123
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 17432
Mini 615
Larva 339
firebathero 233
ggaemo 174
Soulkey 126
Dewaltoss 119
ZZZero.O 49
IntoTheRainbow 14
HiyA 13
Dota 2
canceldota85
Counter-Strike
olofmeister20159
byalli1987
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu326
Khaldor228
MindelVK13
Other Games
summit1g6426
Grubby3320
FrodaN1621
fl0m1366
B2W.Neo659
mouzStarbuck238
ArmadaUGS42
Trikslyr38
Railgan27
sas.Sziky19
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1174
StarCraft 2
angryscii 28
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• maralekos17
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• Kozan
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• 80smullet 16
• blackmanpl 14
• RayReign 5
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 3458
Other Games
• imaqtpie998
• Shiphtur221
• tFFMrPink 14
Upcoming Events
Afreeca Starleague
14h 35m
Wardi Open
14h 35m
Replay Cast
1d 4h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 14h
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
BSL
5 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
6 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
BSL
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W1
WardiTV Winter 2026
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
CSL Elite League 2026
ASL Season 21
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 2
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026

Upcoming

CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
Escore Tournament S2: W2
IPSL Spring 2026
Escore Tournament S2: W3
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
RSL Revival: Season 5
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.