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Bayyne
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1967 Posts
May 10 2013 08:51 GMT
#2601
This whole ordeal and the disappointment from his fans reminded me of this clip from the greatest movie of all time:


Remember not only to say the right thing in the right place, but far more difficult still, to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.
Terranist
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2496 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-10 08:52:12
May 10 2013 08:51 GMT
#2602
On May 10 2013 17:40 Fuell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2013 17:32 Jakkerr wrote:
On May 10 2013 17:29 tomatriedes wrote:
Idra being Idra I can't see him being willing to take a salary cut to keep playing a game he's not very enthusiastic about and what non-Korean team can possibly match what EG was paying him?


Are you implying that Korean teams can match what EG was paying him or am I just misunderstanding your comment.
As far as outside of Korea goes, yeah EG had the best facilities and he screwed it up.

Most Korean teams can easily match IdrA's salary with EG, especially KeSPA teams.


i'd like to see what convinced you to think that ludicrous statement is even remotely true.
The Show of a Lifetime
Evangelist
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
1246 Posts
May 10 2013 08:53 GMT
#2603
On May 10 2013 17:51 Terranist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2013 17:40 Fuell wrote:
On May 10 2013 17:32 Jakkerr wrote:
On May 10 2013 17:29 tomatriedes wrote:
Idra being Idra I can't see him being willing to take a salary cut to keep playing a game he's not very enthusiastic about and what non-Korean team can possibly match what EG was paying him?


Are you implying that Korean teams can match what EG was paying him or am I just misunderstanding your comment.
As far as outside of Korea goes, yeah EG had the best facilities and he screwed it up.

Most Korean teams can easily match IdrA's salary with EG, especially KeSPA teams.


i'd like to see what convinced you to think that ludicrous statement is even remotely true.


Or what Korean team is going to want to employ a player who quits a 200/200 game against Polt.
namste
Profile Joined October 2010
Finland2292 Posts
May 10 2013 08:53 GMT
#2604
On May 10 2013 17:51 Bayyne wrote:
This whole ordeal and the disappointment from his fans reminded me of this clip from the greatest movie of all time:



That's one giaaaaant stretch right there.
IM hwaitiing ~ IMMvp #1 | Bang Min Ah <3<3
Reborn58
Profile Joined August 2010
United States238 Posts
May 10 2013 08:53 GMT
#2605
On May 10 2013 17:39 Wertheron wrote:
Idra fan: "Idra youre so badass bro, i love youuuuuuuuu!"

Idra: "you're all a bunch of fucks"

Idra fan: "Youre so amazing, i will defend you until the end !"


exactly
That's what she said
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
May 10 2013 08:54 GMT
#2606
On May 10 2013 17:51 Terranist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2013 17:40 Fuell wrote:
On May 10 2013 17:32 Jakkerr wrote:
On May 10 2013 17:29 tomatriedes wrote:
Idra being Idra I can't see him being willing to take a salary cut to keep playing a game he's not very enthusiastic about and what non-Korean team can possibly match what EG was paying him?


Are you implying that Korean teams can match what EG was paying him or am I just misunderstanding your comment.
As far as outside of Korea goes, yeah EG had the best facilities and he screwed it up.

Most Korean teams can easily match IdrA's salary with EG, especially KeSPA teams.


i'd like to see what convinced you to think that ludicrous statement is even remotely true.


Well he is correct on the kespa teams. They could afford him but they probably wouldn't want him.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
May 10 2013 08:55 GMT
#2607
Good work with this, EG. It was apparent Idra didn't give two shits about his viewers. For example if you compare him to Werster who also cusses at his viewers and calls many of them idiots, it's still apparent that he really respects and interacts with many of his viewers a ton and really cares about them.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
LakseWim
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands202 Posts
May 10 2013 08:55 GMT
#2608
I feel it's the right decision, must have been difficult Alexander Garfield
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TurnipThrowingPeach
Profile Joined December 2011
United States151 Posts
May 10 2013 08:57 GMT
#2609
On May 10 2013 17:53 namste wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2013 17:51 Bayyne wrote:
This whole ordeal and the disappointment from his fans reminded me of this clip from the greatest movie of all time:



That's one giaaaaant stretch right there.


LOL what?! this was perfect to post, and also one of my fav movie moments. Classic.
That's what she said.
drooL
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom2108 Posts
May 10 2013 08:57 GMT
#2610
On May 10 2013 17:53 Reborn58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2013 17:39 Wertheron wrote:
Idra fan: "Idra youre so badass bro, i love youuuuuuuuu!"

Idra: "you're all a bunch of fucks"

Idra fan: "Youre so amazing, i will defend you until the end !"


exactly


It's like an abusive relationship.


I think IdrA's best bet is to retire from actual competition. From what I know he always wanted to study and it seems like he could use the intellectual outlet. Also, he probably has racked up some money so he can finance it. And if he needs some cash, he can just go stream and talk shit to some people on ladder.
@nowSimon
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
May 10 2013 08:58 GMT
#2611
On May 10 2013 17:51 Bayyne wrote:
This whole ordeal and the disappointment from his fans reminded me of this clip from the greatest movie of all time:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37SrQdIqKiU



LOL!
Torticoli
Profile Joined June 2011
15 Posts
May 10 2013 08:58 GMT
#2612
I'm sure that was a difficult decision, but I think it's the right one for the scene. Idra is not an "entertaining" personality, he's a toxic one.

It's a bit late, though. I would have liked to see that decision a year ago. But it's still good to see.
FoxShine
Profile Joined January 2012
United States156 Posts
May 10 2013 08:59 GMT
#2613
On May 10 2013 17:51 Bayyne wrote:
This whole ordeal and the disappointment from his fans reminded me of this clip from the greatest movie of all time:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37SrQdIqKiU




THIS. 1000x This. :D its soo hillarious hahaha. i still love idra tho
We do what we must, because we can
playa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1284 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-10 08:59:35
May 10 2013 08:59 GMT
#2614
On May 10 2013 17:41 Wildmoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2013 17:34 playa wrote:
On May 10 2013 17:32 Wildmoon wrote:
On May 10 2013 17:29 playa wrote:
Out of all the things Idra has said in the past, it's hard to not laugh at "that" being his undoing. The truth doesn't always sound pleasing to the ears and it doesn't always lead to good results, which is why so many are dishonest and only spew bs. Lesson learned here is do w/e you want, but simply don't make it appear that your employer condones it and shares the same sentiment.

So basically it's cool to BM everyone (even teammates), but don't implicate paycheck issuers. Like that's the first time he's said anything disparaging about his fans... If someone gives you shit, you probably want to "own" them back. If he didn't get fired for that post, he would have done so. You can't really read into "o, he is not thankful for any of his fans or has no respect for any of them." How many viewers do you think Idra would have lost over those comments if EG didn't say anything/do anything about it? Probably 0. He probably would have even gained viewers, just to see what he will do next, only validating what he said.

It's unfortunate he's not playing Terran in HotS, considering the success of Terrans in BW that were far worse than him. For people saying Idra is the most popular player, well who is also viewed as the most BM player. If you don't view him as a good player, then why does everyone like him? Personality? Well, he showed it and now it's a bad thing because maybe it's directed towards you? Maybe stop encouraging BM/rewarding it, then. Anything for entertainment that's not at your expense.

If a player with a BM persona is going to eventually get fired for it, it's disappointing when it's pretty G rated/mild in comparison to some other stuff. But, I guess, it was simply directed towards people that are off limits. Not much of a lesson to be learned here or a drastic change in personality required.


lol he won't become suddenly great at this game just because he changes his race to terran.


That was more to do with his initial choice in race. Zerg was better in WoL, but now Terran is better. He might not become great, but when you see people like QXC some bad c+/b- BW player looking like god in SC 2, there's simply no way Idra wouldn't be faring a lot better now if he originally picked Terrran.


They are different games. People who are really good at BW may not be as good in SC2. Jaedong may not even be as good as Life in his whole SC2 career despite his BW's successes.


Yeah, well, when it comes to foreigners, I wouldn't do the equivalent of betting on a B team Terran player becoming better than Flash. No one seems surprised when good BW players do well in SC 2, but for some reason people want to act like it's impossible to predict and d+, joe smoe, has just as good of odds. Maybe if he all-ins every game.
chrotti
Profile Joined February 2012
5 Posts
May 10 2013 08:59 GMT
#2615
But, to us, there's a very big difference between a player being disrespectful to an opponent in a ladder match, and a player being disrespectful to the entire community of people

Is there really such a big difference?

I applaud EG's decision, but the reasoning behind it smells a bit fishy to me. Either you want your players to show respect or you don't. Now suddenly drawing the 'red line' between respecting opponents and respecting the community is just camouflage. They should have come to this decision a long time ago, and they know it.

Anyway, I hope Idra will finally realize that you don't have to be a jerk in order to be 'cool' and 'special'. Normally that kind of insight comes with age, in Idra's case it seems to take something else. Maybe getting fired?

More is lost by indecision than by wrong decision
SCST
Profile Joined November 2011
Mexico1609 Posts
May 10 2013 09:01 GMT
#2616
On May 10 2013 17:59 chrotti wrote:
Show nested quote +
But, to us, there's a very big difference between a player being disrespectful to an opponent in a ladder match, and a player being disrespectful to the entire community of people

Is there really such a big difference?

I applaud EG's decision, but the reasoning behind it smells a bit fishy to me. Either you want your players to show respect or you don't. Now suddenly drawing the 'red line' between respecting opponents and respecting the community is just camouflage. They should have come to this decision a long time ago, and they know it.

Anyway, I hope Idra will finally realize that you don't have to be a jerk in order to be 'cool' and 'special'. Normally that kind of insight comes with age, in Idra's case it seems to take something else. Maybe getting fired?



I think Garfield is saying: "other players don't pay us, but the community does . . . it's o.k. to insult players, but mess with our revenue stream and you're toast". That's where he's drawing the line.
"The weak cannot forgive. Forgiveness is an attribute of the strong." - Gandhi
Promises
Profile Joined February 2004
Netherlands1821 Posts
May 10 2013 09:01 GMT
#2617
Damn I feel for Incontrol. You can see it's rough on him. All the best wishes to EG and Idra.
I'm a man of my word, and that word is "unreliable".
Epithet
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States840 Posts
May 10 2013 09:03 GMT
#2618
The person I feel most sorry for in this whole situation is Incontrol. EG mishandled this completely IMO.
YellOw, Reach, & Nal_Ra Hwaiting!!
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
May 10 2013 09:03 GMT
#2619
On May 10 2013 17:59 chrotti wrote:
Show nested quote +
But, to us, there's a very big difference between a player being disrespectful to an opponent in a ladder match, and a player being disrespectful to the entire community of people

Is there really such a big difference?

I applaud EG's decision, but the reasoning behind it smells a bit fishy to me. Either you want your players to show respect or you don't. Now suddenly drawing the 'red line' between respecting opponents and respecting the community is just camouflage. They should have come to this decision a long time ago, and they know it.

Anyway, I hope Idra will finally realize that you don't have to be a jerk in order to be 'cool' and 'special'. Normally that kind of insight comes with age, in Idra's case it seems to take something else. Maybe getting fired?


It makes sense if you put some thought behind it.

If you are "bad" against your opponent you can make an argument to cross it off as showmanship, as in you are doing it to heighten the suspension of the moment. However when you are calling the community for idiots and blatantly stating that his viewers are a bunch of fucks and that he gets payed to treat them as such and that he thinks its fucking awesome you can't really argue the point of showmanship anymore.
"Dark Pleasure" | | I survived the Locust war of May 3, 2014
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
May 10 2013 09:04 GMT
#2620
On May 10 2013 17:59 playa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2013 17:41 Wildmoon wrote:
On May 10 2013 17:34 playa wrote:
On May 10 2013 17:32 Wildmoon wrote:
On May 10 2013 17:29 playa wrote:
Out of all the things Idra has said in the past, it's hard to not laugh at "that" being his undoing. The truth doesn't always sound pleasing to the ears and it doesn't always lead to good results, which is why so many are dishonest and only spew bs. Lesson learned here is do w/e you want, but simply don't make it appear that your employer condones it and shares the same sentiment.

So basically it's cool to BM everyone (even teammates), but don't implicate paycheck issuers. Like that's the first time he's said anything disparaging about his fans... If someone gives you shit, you probably want to "own" them back. If he didn't get fired for that post, he would have done so. You can't really read into "o, he is not thankful for any of his fans or has no respect for any of them." How many viewers do you think Idra would have lost over those comments if EG didn't say anything/do anything about it? Probably 0. He probably would have even gained viewers, just to see what he will do next, only validating what he said.

It's unfortunate he's not playing Terran in HotS, considering the success of Terrans in BW that were far worse than him. For people saying Idra is the most popular player, well who is also viewed as the most BM player. If you don't view him as a good player, then why does everyone like him? Personality? Well, he showed it and now it's a bad thing because maybe it's directed towards you? Maybe stop encouraging BM/rewarding it, then. Anything for entertainment that's not at your expense.

If a player with a BM persona is going to eventually get fired for it, it's disappointing when it's pretty G rated/mild in comparison to some other stuff. But, I guess, it was simply directed towards people that are off limits. Not much of a lesson to be learned here or a drastic change in personality required.


lol he won't become suddenly great at this game just because he changes his race to terran.


That was more to do with his initial choice in race. Zerg was better in WoL, but now Terran is better. He might not become great, but when you see people like QXC some bad c+/b- BW player looking like god in SC 2, there's simply no way Idra wouldn't be faring a lot better now if he originally picked Terrran.


They are different games. People who are really good at BW may not be as good in SC2. Jaedong may not even be as good as Life in his whole SC2 career despite his BW's successes.


Yeah, well, when it comes to foreigners, I wouldn't do the equivalent of betting on a B team Terran player becoming better than Flash. No one seems surprised when good BW players do well in SC 2, but for some reason people want to act like it's impossible to predict and d+, joe smoe, has just as good of odds. Maybe if he all-ins every game.


Idra was not even good when Zerg was very strong in WoL... There are ton of people who were wrose than him in BW but much better than him in SC2 regardless of races they play. He doesn't have any excuse for being not so good at this game. deal with it.
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