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On May 10 2013 18:17 4ZakeN87 wrote:
Wow.. 133 pages from a "player leaving a team" thread. That got to be a record. If nothing else it speaks volumes of what a central figure Idra is in SC2 regardless of his performance/behavior lately.
He is basically famous for being famous. The Kim Kardashian of sc2.
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On May 10 2013 18:17 4ZakeN87 wrote:
Wow.. 133 pages from a "player leaving a team" thread. That got to be a record. If nothing else it speaks volumes of what a central figure Idra is in SC2 regardless of his performance/behavior lately.
Too many replies going on. That's why this thread has 130+ pages.
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On May 10 2013 18:13 Arco wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 18:13 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:On May 10 2013 18:10 Arco wrote:On May 10 2013 18:05 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:
After recommendations from people to check out Idra's WCS games I had a look.
I must say after that kind of behavior regardless of his comments in the EG thread I would have released him.
200/200 with 3k/3k bank, with a foothold on the 6 o clock base on Daybreak on Ultra/Infestor/Broodlord, and he ragequits because he can't handle being harassed?
When you take a collective look at everything this guy brings to Starcraft I hope he dissapears and never returns; he is an embarassment to this scene. He is definately our fallen angel. Uh, foothold on the 6 oclock base? Guess you're the victim of bad observing -- the only player who had a foothold on 6 oclock when IdrA left the game was Polt. The minimap is your friend. He had no chance to win that game, even after expending his 200 supply army and remaxing with 3k/3k. Zero. Zilch. Nada. Funny because right at the end he runs away from it for 2 seconds because of hunter seekers but until that point he was camping that spot with a flock of broods, corrupters, infestors and ultras. Maybe its you who needs your eyes checked? He was in the middle of the map, and Polt's army had moved in and killed it. Sorry bro, keep circlejerking on that hate train.
If I recall correctly Polt had killed almost nothing of idras, 1 HSM hit a brood for 100 dmg and I think that was pretty much it. He admittedly did not hold the 6 oclock like the poster said, but if he had actually split up his army to defend the 12 oclock im pretty sure he could've made attacks from his 5th base to the 6oclock pretty easily and prevented it from mining. Or maybe rather assaulted Polts 5th, which I'm not even sure idra had spotted and had been up for quite some time. Polt's 5th was very open to frontal assault.
He was in a bad position no doubt, but upsets do happen. Suppy vs Heart is probably the best example, and while Heart played a terrible lategame, you should atleast play it out to see if your opponent makes those mistakes. Nothing excuses you from leaving the game like idra did there.
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On May 10 2013 18:18 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 18:16 Arco wrote:On May 10 2013 18:15 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:On May 10 2013 18:13 Arco wrote:On May 10 2013 18:13 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:On May 10 2013 18:10 Arco wrote:On May 10 2013 18:05 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:
After recommendations from people to check out Idra's WCS games I had a look.
I must say after that kind of behavior regardless of his comments in the EG thread I would have released him.
200/200 with 3k/3k bank, with a foothold on the 6 o clock base on Daybreak on Ultra/Infestor/Broodlord, and he ragequits because he can't handle being harassed?
When you take a collective look at everything this guy brings to Starcraft I hope he dissapears and never returns; he is an embarassment to this scene. He is definately our fallen angel. Uh, foothold on the 6 oclock base? Guess you're the victim of bad observing -- the only player who had a foothold on 6 oclock when IdrA left the game was Polt. The minimap is your friend. He had no chance to win that game, even after expending his 200 supply army and remaxing with 3k/3k. Zero. Zilch. Nada. Funny because right at the end he runs away from it for 2 seconds because of hunter seekers but until that point he was camping that spot with a flock of broods, corrupters, infestors and ultras. Maybe its you who needs your eyes checked? He was in the middle of the map, and Polt's army had moved in and killed it. Sorry bro, keep circlejerking on the hate train. And then he had his army at that base for 5 minutes while Polt killed the 10 o clock. So he still had a foothold. Sorry bro keep hating. ??? The 6 oclock died after the 10 o clock died. Polt steamrolled it literally 5 seconds before IdrA left the game. The observers didn't catch it -- neither did you. Minimap. Useful. 'No chance of winning' is untrue, saw bigger comebacks and it was certainly possible with a more defensive stance.
Please explain how a defensive stance could have helped. Polt's army was too cost effective. He could have simply attacked and kept his production full speed. IdrA had one "good" army left, and it wasn't even that good. A 3k/3k remax wouldn't have done squat versus 3/3 Bio / Ravens and the infrastructure and economy to reproduce and constantly attack.
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what happened? i didn't read about idra pissing off anyone for quite some time, can someone fill me in?
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On May 10 2013 18:15 MadMarc wrote:
I don't understand this at all! There are people who like him for how he is just as with every other player. He brings fire to the community, and pleasure to everyone who can just sit back and laugh, without taking what he says seriously.
Well, if he is such an important part of the community, he should be just fine without EG supporting him. He can continue to stream ladder and BM people all day and he can continue to spread his influence on SC2. His fans can continue to support him just as much as they did before, can't they?
To me, it appears like people are so concerned with status that simply losing an abbreviation is enough for his "fans" to forget all about him, much like everyone else already has.
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On May 10 2013 18:20 Zarahtra wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 18:13 Arco wrote:On May 10 2013 18:13 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:On May 10 2013 18:10 Arco wrote:On May 10 2013 18:05 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:
After recommendations from people to check out Idra's WCS games I had a look.
I must say after that kind of behavior regardless of his comments in the EG thread I would have released him.
200/200 with 3k/3k bank, with a foothold on the 6 o clock base on Daybreak on Ultra/Infestor/Broodlord, and he ragequits because he can't handle being harassed?
When you take a collective look at everything this guy brings to Starcraft I hope he dissapears and never returns; he is an embarassment to this scene. He is definately our fallen angel. Uh, foothold on the 6 oclock base? Guess you're the victim of bad observing -- the only player who had a foothold on 6 oclock when IdrA left the game was Polt. The minimap is your friend. He had no chance to win that game, even after expending his 200 supply army and remaxing with 3k/3k. Zero. Zilch. Nada. Funny because right at the end he runs away from it for 2 seconds because of hunter seekers but until that point he was camping that spot with a flock of broods, corrupters, infestors and ultras. Maybe its you who needs your eyes checked? He was in the middle of the map, and Polt's army had moved in and killed it. Sorry bro, keep circlejerking on that hate train. If I recall correctly Polt had killed almost nothing of idras, 1 HSM hit a brood for 100 dmg and I think that was pretty much it. He admittedly did not hold the 6 oclock like the poster said, but if he had actually split up his army to defend the 12 oclock im pretty sure he could've made attacks from his 5th base to the 6oclock pretty easily and prevented it from mining. Or maybe rather assaulted Polts 5th, which I'm not even sure idra had spotted for and had been up for quite some time. Polt's 5th was very open to frontal assault. He was in a bad position no doubt, but upsets do happen. Suppy vs Heart is probably the best example, and while Heart played a terrible lategame, you should atleast play it out to see if your opponent makes those mistakes. Nothing excuses you from leaving the game like idra did there.
http://www.twitch.tv/wcs_america/b/400977752?t=47m42s
Watch the minimap.
Everyone is so quick to circlejerk the IdrA hate train without reading into the facts.
He didn't leave because a Seeker Missile hit the Broodlords, he left because his entire 6oclock was wiped out because he got caught out of position.
Bad observing on the part of Rotterdam and failure of him and Axslav to notice this successfully convinced the entire community otherwise.
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On May 10 2013 18:20 Arco wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 18:18 Type|NarutO wrote:On May 10 2013 18:16 Arco wrote:On May 10 2013 18:15 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:On May 10 2013 18:13 Arco wrote:On May 10 2013 18:13 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:On May 10 2013 18:10 Arco wrote:On May 10 2013 18:05 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:
After recommendations from people to check out Idra's WCS games I had a look.
I must say after that kind of behavior regardless of his comments in the EG thread I would have released him.
200/200 with 3k/3k bank, with a foothold on the 6 o clock base on Daybreak on Ultra/Infestor/Broodlord, and he ragequits because he can't handle being harassed?
When you take a collective look at everything this guy brings to Starcraft I hope he dissapears and never returns; he is an embarassment to this scene. He is definately our fallen angel. Uh, foothold on the 6 oclock base? Guess you're the victim of bad observing -- the only player who had a foothold on 6 oclock when IdrA left the game was Polt. The minimap is your friend. He had no chance to win that game, even after expending his 200 supply army and remaxing with 3k/3k. Zero. Zilch. Nada. Funny because right at the end he runs away from it for 2 seconds because of hunter seekers but until that point he was camping that spot with a flock of broods, corrupters, infestors and ultras. Maybe its you who needs your eyes checked? He was in the middle of the map, and Polt's army had moved in and killed it. Sorry bro, keep circlejerking on the hate train. And then he had his army at that base for 5 minutes while Polt killed the 10 o clock. So he still had a foothold. Sorry bro keep hating. ??? The 6 oclock died after the 10 o clock died. Polt steamrolled it literally 5 seconds before IdrA left the game. The observers didn't catch it -- neither did you. Minimap. Useful. 'No chance of winning' is untrue, saw bigger comebacks and it was certainly possible with a more defensive stance. Please explain how a defensive stance could have helped. Polt's army was too cost effective. He could have simply attacked and kept his production full speed. IdrA had one "good" army left, and it wasn't even that good. A 3k/3k remax wouldn't have done squat versus 3/3 Bio / Ravens and the infrastructure and economy to reproduce and constantly attack.
Idra had enough fungals/broodlords/ultras to literally melt 200/200 worth of bio with next to 0 losses assuming he had the skill to take a decent engage. All I saw was him being pulled around all game until he got mad enough to quit despite still being in a reasonable position.
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On May 10 2013 18:20 Arco wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 18:18 Type|NarutO wrote:On May 10 2013 18:16 Arco wrote:On May 10 2013 18:15 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:On May 10 2013 18:13 Arco wrote:On May 10 2013 18:13 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:On May 10 2013 18:10 Arco wrote:On May 10 2013 18:05 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:
After recommendations from people to check out Idra's WCS games I had a look.
I must say after that kind of behavior regardless of his comments in the EG thread I would have released him.
200/200 with 3k/3k bank, with a foothold on the 6 o clock base on Daybreak on Ultra/Infestor/Broodlord, and he ragequits because he can't handle being harassed?
When you take a collective look at everything this guy brings to Starcraft I hope he dissapears and never returns; he is an embarassment to this scene. He is definately our fallen angel. Uh, foothold on the 6 oclock base? Guess you're the victim of bad observing -- the only player who had a foothold on 6 oclock when IdrA left the game was Polt. The minimap is your friend. He had no chance to win that game, even after expending his 200 supply army and remaxing with 3k/3k. Zero. Zilch. Nada. Funny because right at the end he runs away from it for 2 seconds because of hunter seekers but until that point he was camping that spot with a flock of broods, corrupters, infestors and ultras. Maybe its you who needs your eyes checked? He was in the middle of the map, and Polt's army had moved in and killed it. Sorry bro, keep circlejerking on the hate train. And then he had his army at that base for 5 minutes while Polt killed the 10 o clock. So he still had a foothold. Sorry bro keep hating. ??? The 6 oclock died after the 10 o clock died. Polt steamrolled it literally 5 seconds before IdrA left the game. The observers didn't catch it -- neither did you. Minimap. Useful. 'No chance of winning' is untrue, saw bigger comebacks and it was certainly possible with a more defensive stance. Please explain how a defensive stance could have helped. Polt's army was too cost effective. He could have simply attacked and kept his production full speed. IdrA had one "good" army left, and it wasn't even that good. A 3k/3k remax wouldn't have done squat versus 3/3 Bio / Ravens and the infrastructure and economy to reproduce and constantly attack.
A Terran army can be worth nothing or worth a thousand times its costs. No one can say how the fight would have went. One good fungal on the ravens and you have no HSM to back up your army. That leaves you with an actually not very cost efficient army against Broodlord/Infestor/Ultra.
As I said, its simply the term of putting 'no chance' in it. He had a good bank and a good army, from that position, you can win a game. Polt had the clear advantage, but that doesn't mean its an unwinnable scenario. Even if you win from that position 1/10 times, its worth a shot, because its a major 100 000$ tournament.
If you have another opinion or take on it, thats fine for me, but as a matter of fact 'no chance' is the wrong term for his position.
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I'm kind of bummed, because I remember thinking 4 to 6 months ago that IdrA seemed to have actually matured since the beta ... and was starting to just come to terms with SC2, and his job, and his opportunities outside of just playing competitively.
He seemed to be calming down.
Sigh.
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To be fair, he does hate SC2 and has told everyone this since the beginning. A lot of people can force themselves to "love" things they really don't enjoy, since it's their livelihood (see every ex-bw pro).
Honestly, how many ex-bw pros do you think really enjoy playing SC2 (extremely dumbed down shell of sc1)? The reason idra was so successful (foreigner scene) in bw was because he LOVED the game, he demonstrated that he's capable of playing a game he hates to pay the bills..
One of the things people liked about him was his total lack of PC bullshit, 95% of progamers public personas are that of well-mannered robots who are indistinguishable from one another. I don't think having one cynical person was "toxic" to the scene, but I totally understand why he's being dropped as he isn't a popular enough contender OR a very relevant personality anymore..
This will probably be better for idra in the long run, he has the money to pursue something fulfilling instead of the depressing grind sc2 has been for him.
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On May 10 2013 18:10 Arco wrote:
He had no chance to win that game, even if he expended his 200 supply army and remaxed with 3k/3k. Zero. Zilch. Nada.
 Come on
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On May 10 2013 18:22 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 18:20 Arco wrote:On May 10 2013 18:18 Type|NarutO wrote:On May 10 2013 18:16 Arco wrote:On May 10 2013 18:15 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:On May 10 2013 18:13 Arco wrote:On May 10 2013 18:13 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:On May 10 2013 18:10 Arco wrote:On May 10 2013 18:05 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:
After recommendations from people to check out Idra's WCS games I had a look.
I must say after that kind of behavior regardless of his comments in the EG thread I would have released him.
200/200 with 3k/3k bank, with a foothold on the 6 o clock base on Daybreak on Ultra/Infestor/Broodlord, and he ragequits because he can't handle being harassed?
When you take a collective look at everything this guy brings to Starcraft I hope he dissapears and never returns; he is an embarassment to this scene. He is definately our fallen angel. Uh, foothold on the 6 oclock base? Guess you're the victim of bad observing -- the only player who had a foothold on 6 oclock when IdrA left the game was Polt. The minimap is your friend. He had no chance to win that game, even after expending his 200 supply army and remaxing with 3k/3k. Zero. Zilch. Nada. Funny because right at the end he runs away from it for 2 seconds because of hunter seekers but until that point he was camping that spot with a flock of broods, corrupters, infestors and ultras. Maybe its you who needs your eyes checked? He was in the middle of the map, and Polt's army had moved in and killed it. Sorry bro, keep circlejerking on the hate train. And then he had his army at that base for 5 minutes while Polt killed the 10 o clock. So he still had a foothold. Sorry bro keep hating. ??? The 6 oclock died after the 10 o clock died. Polt steamrolled it literally 5 seconds before IdrA left the game. The observers didn't catch it -- neither did you. Minimap. Useful. 'No chance of winning' is untrue, saw bigger comebacks and it was certainly possible with a more defensive stance. Please explain how a defensive stance could have helped. Polt's army was too cost effective. He could have simply attacked and kept his production full speed. IdrA had one "good" army left, and it wasn't even that good. A 3k/3k remax wouldn't have done squat versus 3/3 Bio / Ravens and the infrastructure and economy to reproduce and constantly attack. Idra had enough fungals/broodlords/ultras to literally melt 200/200 worth of bio with next to 0 losses assuming he had the skill to take a decent engage. All I saw was him being pulled around all game until he got mad enough to quit despite still being in a reasonable position.
Yeah, I'm sure 7 Infestors is enough to lock down a maxed 200/200 bio army with Ravens. Good one. 
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On May 10 2013 18:21 Arco wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 18:20 Zarahtra wrote:On May 10 2013 18:13 Arco wrote:On May 10 2013 18:13 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:On May 10 2013 18:10 Arco wrote:On May 10 2013 18:05 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:
After recommendations from people to check out Idra's WCS games I had a look.
I must say after that kind of behavior regardless of his comments in the EG thread I would have released him.
200/200 with 3k/3k bank, with a foothold on the 6 o clock base on Daybreak on Ultra/Infestor/Broodlord, and he ragequits because he can't handle being harassed?
When you take a collective look at everything this guy brings to Starcraft I hope he dissapears and never returns; he is an embarassment to this scene. He is definately our fallen angel. Uh, foothold on the 6 oclock base? Guess you're the victim of bad observing -- the only player who had a foothold on 6 oclock when IdrA left the game was Polt. The minimap is your friend. He had no chance to win that game, even after expending his 200 supply army and remaxing with 3k/3k. Zero. Zilch. Nada. Funny because right at the end he runs away from it for 2 seconds because of hunter seekers but until that point he was camping that spot with a flock of broods, corrupters, infestors and ultras. Maybe its you who needs your eyes checked? He was in the middle of the map, and Polt's army had moved in and killed it. Sorry bro, keep circlejerking on that hate train. If I recall correctly Polt had killed almost nothing of idras, 1 HSM hit a brood for 100 dmg and I think that was pretty much it. He admittedly did not hold the 6 oclock like the poster said, but if he had actually split up his army to defend the 12 oclock im pretty sure he could've made attacks from his 5th base to the 6oclock pretty easily and prevented it from mining. Or maybe rather assaulted Polts 5th, which I'm not even sure idra had spotted for and had been up for quite some time. Polt's 5th was very open to frontal assault. He was in a bad position no doubt, but upsets do happen. Suppy vs Heart is probably the best example, and while Heart played a terrible lategame, you should atleast play it out to see if your opponent makes those mistakes. Nothing excuses you from leaving the game like idra did there. http://www.twitch.tv/wcs_america/b/400977752?t=47m42sWatch the minimap. Everyone is so quick to circlejerk the IdrA hate train without reading into the facts. He didn't leave because a Seeker Missile hit the Broodlords, he left because his entire 6oclock was wiped out because he got caught out of position. Bad observing on the part of Rotterdam and Axslav convinced the entire community otherwise.
Idra should have stayed around. He could have rebuilt bases and played on. Polt had a clear advantage and would have probably won, but Idra should have continued fighting, because a few mistakes from Polt and he could have taken it back.
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On May 10 2013 18:22 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 18:20 Arco wrote:On May 10 2013 18:18 Type|NarutO wrote:On May 10 2013 18:16 Arco wrote:On May 10 2013 18:15 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:On May 10 2013 18:13 Arco wrote:On May 10 2013 18:13 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:On May 10 2013 18:10 Arco wrote:On May 10 2013 18:05 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:
After recommendations from people to check out Idra's WCS games I had a look.
I must say after that kind of behavior regardless of his comments in the EG thread I would have released him.
200/200 with 3k/3k bank, with a foothold on the 6 o clock base on Daybreak on Ultra/Infestor/Broodlord, and he ragequits because he can't handle being harassed?
When you take a collective look at everything this guy brings to Starcraft I hope he dissapears and never returns; he is an embarassment to this scene. He is definately our fallen angel. Uh, foothold on the 6 oclock base? Guess you're the victim of bad observing -- the only player who had a foothold on 6 oclock when IdrA left the game was Polt. The minimap is your friend. He had no chance to win that game, even after expending his 200 supply army and remaxing with 3k/3k. Zero. Zilch. Nada. Funny because right at the end he runs away from it for 2 seconds because of hunter seekers but until that point he was camping that spot with a flock of broods, corrupters, infestors and ultras. Maybe its you who needs your eyes checked? He was in the middle of the map, and Polt's army had moved in and killed it. Sorry bro, keep circlejerking on the hate train. And then he had his army at that base for 5 minutes while Polt killed the 10 o clock. So he still had a foothold. Sorry bro keep hating. ??? The 6 oclock died after the 10 o clock died. Polt steamrolled it literally 5 seconds before IdrA left the game. The observers didn't catch it -- neither did you. Minimap. Useful. 'No chance of winning' is untrue, saw bigger comebacks and it was certainly possible with a more defensive stance. Please explain how a defensive stance could have helped. Polt's army was too cost effective. He could have simply attacked and kept his production full speed. IdrA had one "good" army left, and it wasn't even that good. A 3k/3k remax wouldn't have done squat versus 3/3 Bio / Ravens and the infrastructure and economy to reproduce and constantly attack. Idra had enough fungals/broodlords/ultras to literally melt 200/200 worth of bio with next to 0 losses assuming he had the skill to take a decent engage. All I saw was him being pulled around all game until he got mad enough to quit despite still being in a reasonable position.
If I had to guess you are low-master?
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On May 10 2013 18:22 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 18:20 Arco wrote:On May 10 2013 18:18 Type|NarutO wrote:On May 10 2013 18:16 Arco wrote:On May 10 2013 18:15 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:On May 10 2013 18:13 Arco wrote:On May 10 2013 18:13 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:On May 10 2013 18:10 Arco wrote:On May 10 2013 18:05 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:
After recommendations from people to check out Idra's WCS games I had a look.
I must say after that kind of behavior regardless of his comments in the EG thread I would have released him.
200/200 with 3k/3k bank, with a foothold on the 6 o clock base on Daybreak on Ultra/Infestor/Broodlord, and he ragequits because he can't handle being harassed?
When you take a collective look at everything this guy brings to Starcraft I hope he dissapears and never returns; he is an embarassment to this scene. He is definately our fallen angel. Uh, foothold on the 6 oclock base? Guess you're the victim of bad observing -- the only player who had a foothold on 6 oclock when IdrA left the game was Polt. The minimap is your friend. He had no chance to win that game, even after expending his 200 supply army and remaxing with 3k/3k. Zero. Zilch. Nada. Funny because right at the end he runs away from it for 2 seconds because of hunter seekers but until that point he was camping that spot with a flock of broods, corrupters, infestors and ultras. Maybe its you who needs your eyes checked? He was in the middle of the map, and Polt's army had moved in and killed it. Sorry bro, keep circlejerking on the hate train. And then he had his army at that base for 5 minutes while Polt killed the 10 o clock. So he still had a foothold. Sorry bro keep hating. ??? The 6 oclock died after the 10 o clock died. Polt steamrolled it literally 5 seconds before IdrA left the game. The observers didn't catch it -- neither did you. Minimap. Useful. 'No chance of winning' is untrue, saw bigger comebacks and it was certainly possible with a more defensive stance. Please explain how a defensive stance could have helped. Polt's army was too cost effective. He could have simply attacked and kept his production full speed. IdrA had one "good" army left, and it wasn't even that good. A 3k/3k remax wouldn't have done squat versus 3/3 Bio / Ravens and the infrastructure and economy to reproduce and constantly attack. A Terran army can be worth nothing or worth a thousand times its costs. No one can say how the fight would have went. One good fungal on the ravens and you have no HSM to back up your army. That leaves you with an actually not very cost efficient army against Broodlord/Infestor/Ultra. As I said, its simply the term of putting 'no chance' in it. He had a good bank and a good army, from that position, you can win a game. Polt had the clear advantage, but that doesn't mean its an unwinnable scenario. Even if you win from that position 1/10 times, its worth a shot, because its a major 100 000$ tournament. If you have another opinion or take on it, thats fine for me, but as a matter of fact 'no chance' is the wrong term for his position.
I agree, he didn't account for mistakes Polt could have made. Realistically though, he had less than 10% chance to win, and 10% is being generous.
On May 10 2013 18:24 ecstazy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 18:21 Arco wrote:On May 10 2013 18:20 Zarahtra wrote:On May 10 2013 18:13 Arco wrote:On May 10 2013 18:13 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:On May 10 2013 18:10 Arco wrote:On May 10 2013 18:05 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:
After recommendations from people to check out Idra's WCS games I had a look.
I must say after that kind of behavior regardless of his comments in the EG thread I would have released him.
200/200 with 3k/3k bank, with a foothold on the 6 o clock base on Daybreak on Ultra/Infestor/Broodlord, and he ragequits because he can't handle being harassed?
When you take a collective look at everything this guy brings to Starcraft I hope he dissapears and never returns; he is an embarassment to this scene. He is definately our fallen angel. Uh, foothold on the 6 oclock base? Guess you're the victim of bad observing -- the only player who had a foothold on 6 oclock when IdrA left the game was Polt. The minimap is your friend. He had no chance to win that game, even after expending his 200 supply army and remaxing with 3k/3k. Zero. Zilch. Nada. Funny because right at the end he runs away from it for 2 seconds because of hunter seekers but until that point he was camping that spot with a flock of broods, corrupters, infestors and ultras. Maybe its you who needs your eyes checked? He was in the middle of the map, and Polt's army had moved in and killed it. Sorry bro, keep circlejerking on that hate train. If I recall correctly Polt had killed almost nothing of idras, 1 HSM hit a brood for 100 dmg and I think that was pretty much it. He admittedly did not hold the 6 oclock like the poster said, but if he had actually split up his army to defend the 12 oclock im pretty sure he could've made attacks from his 5th base to the 6oclock pretty easily and prevented it from mining. Or maybe rather assaulted Polts 5th, which I'm not even sure idra had spotted for and had been up for quite some time. Polt's 5th was very open to frontal assault. He was in a bad position no doubt, but upsets do happen. Suppy vs Heart is probably the best example, and while Heart played a terrible lategame, you should atleast play it out to see if your opponent makes those mistakes. Nothing excuses you from leaving the game like idra did there. http://www.twitch.tv/wcs_america/b/400977752?t=47m42sWatch the minimap. Everyone is so quick to circlejerk the IdrA hate train without reading into the facts. He didn't leave because a Seeker Missile hit the Broodlords, he left because his entire 6oclock was wiped out because he got caught out of position. Bad observing on the part of Rotterdam and Axslav convinced the entire community otherwise. Idra should have stayed around. He could have rebuilt bases and played on. Polt had a clear advantage and would have probably won, but Idra should have continued fighting, because a few mistakes from Polt and he could have taken it back.
No one is arguing this. I'm just stating that he had very little chance to win. The community has a huge misconception regarding this game that he was in reasonable shape and left for "no reason." He lost his 6 oclock base, a massive blow to him in this game. However, due to bad observing this was overlooked, and people quickly jumped on the IdrA hate bandwagon.
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To me EG without Greg is not EG.
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EG without Idra can neither claim to be Evil nor Geniuses
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On May 10 2013 18:23 FuzZyLogic wrote:
To be fair, he does hate SC2 and has told everyone this since the beginning. A lot of people can force themselves to "love" things they really don't enjoy, since it's their livelihood (see every ex-bw pro).
Honestly, how many ex-bw pros do you think really enjoy playing SC2 (extremely dumbed down shell of sc1)? The reason idra was so successful (foreigner scene) in bw was because he LOVED the game, he demonstrated that he's capable of playing a game he hates to pay the bills..
One of the things people liked about him was his total lack of PC bullshit, 95% of progamers public personas are that of well-mannered robots who are indistinguishable from one another. I don't think having one cynical person was "toxic" to the scene, but I totally understand why he's being dropped as he isn't a popular enough contender OR a very relevant personality anymore..
This will probably be better for idra in the long run, he has the money to pursue something fulfilling instead of the depressing grind sc2 has been for him.
I don't think it's up to you to make assumptions about people's enjoyment of the game aside from yourself and publicly available information. Also calling sc2 a "dumbdown shell of sc1" makes it hard to take what you read seriously.
And there are others in the scene who don't just spout PC PR lines without degrading their opponents, the scene,their team, and ultimately themselves.
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On May 10 2013 18:23 FuzZyLogic wrote:
To be fair, he does hate SC2 and has told everyone this since the beginning. A lot of people can force themselves to "love" things they really don't enjoy, since it's their livelihood (see every ex-bw pro).
Honestly, how many ex-bw pros do you think really enjoy playing SC2 (extremely dumbed down shell of sc1)? The reason idra was so successful (foreigner scene) in bw was because he LOVED the game, he demonstrated that he's capable of playing a game he hates to pay the bills..
How many foreign ex-bw pros do actually well in sc2? Basically none. Idra has the same problem as the other ex-bw pros. More competition. Hence they all do worse.
Of course you dont like it as much anymore if you are just mediocre.
Foreign bw was just bad.
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