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On May 02 2013 04:24 IPA wrote:
I thought the article had some merit despite its incendiary tone. Why would you want to give money to what has essentially become a team of gaming "personalities" with no results to speak of in recent memory? ROOT seem like cool dudes but there are far more legitimate/competitive teams I would rather donate cash to.
That is my opinion of course. If you're interested in sponsoring me as a player or TL poster, please shoot me a message.
It is your right as a consumer to consider results a useful standard with which to judge donations, but judging others' taste in entertainment choices is rather juvenile, which is what the article ends up sounding like. I'm not the biggest fan of Root, but a ton of people enjoy supporting a homegrown team, full of interesting personalities, that has an interest in making sure the NA scene stays active. To suggest that these people are somehow wrong or hoodwinked by an evil Peruvian mastermind is to misunderstand the nature of commercial popularity in the first place.
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After reading the article, I think he has a point with whole beggar thing and how no other business in the world could do the same thing. Sure the article is written in a very controversial and even a mean way, but he does have a point.
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Meh, Richard Lewis is still mad over the Jerbie situation and Catz saying that he doesn't give a damn about him I guess.
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On May 02 2013 04:30 namste wrote:
After reading the article, I think he has a point with whole beggar thing and how no other business in the world could do the same thing. Sure the article is written in a very controversial and even a mean way, but he does have a point.
Yeah, no other business except every other project on Kickstarter...
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I enjoy his videos interview, but the writing of this article is absolutely horrendous.
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On May 02 2013 04:30 namste wrote:
After reading the article, I think he has a point with whole beggar thing and how no other business in the world could do the same thing. Sure the article is written in a very controversial and even a mean way, but he does have a point.
I agree with this.
Definitely more comfortable with the "Make first, Den pay what you think its worth" approach.
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Don't get it. Who is Richard Lewis? Or have I been living in a bubble? Just sounds like another cry baby who wants to stir up controversy from what I read. Last time I checked the person who uses my money to give away or to purchase something is myself and not ROOT Gaming holding a gun to my head making me donate.
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I'm a terrible person for donating money to something I care about? I think the Root house is a good vision and can only be seen as positive for the NA and pro-scene. While I think a charity like Doctors Without Borders is a better cause, I have nothing wrong with people asking for donations to do what they want. It's the same as people having "Subscriptions" on twitch, just to a smaller degree. Now, I would be a bit bothered if Root gaming spent all of that money on booze and hookers instead of a team house, but I highly doubt that is what will happen.
I'm afraid Richard Lewis just embarrassed himself, is all. Total Biscuit, farva, and Torte all put it nicely.
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On May 02 2013 04:29 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 04:24 IPA wrote:
I thought the article had some merit despite its incendiary tone. Why would you want to give money to what has essentially become a team of gaming "personalities" with no results to speak of in recent memory? ROOT seem like cool dudes but there are far more legitimate/competitive teams I would rather donate cash to.
That is my opinion of course. If you're interested in sponsoring me as a player or TL poster, please shoot me a message. It is your right as a consumer to consider results a useful standard with which to judge donations, but judging others' taste in entertainment choices is rather juvenile, which is what the article ends up sounding like. I'm not the biggest fan of Root, but a ton of people enjoy supporting a homegrown team, full of interesting personalities, that has an interest in making sure the NA scene stays active. To suggest that these people are somehow wrong or hoodwinked by an evil Peruvian mastermind is to misunderstand the nature of commercial popularity in the first place.
It is also my right to judge others' entertainment choices though, juvenile or not. If you listen to Generic Pop Star #34 or love Michael Bay 'splosions, I'm going to judge you.
I harbor no ill will towards ROOT. Just giving my .02.
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On May 02 2013 04:20 edlover420 wrote:
People who are so retarded that they donate thousands of dollars for some gaming house, rather than to charity/kids who are starving in Africa, don't deserve to have money anyway.
unfortunately for you its their money and they can choose how/when/what to do with their hard earn cash.
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This is so fucking disgusting it makes me want to vomit.
These losers have raised $35k! They are running around acting like a charity case when in reality they are just immature/irresonsible kids who want free money to live out their "dream".
Where the fuck will this money go? They didn't provide ANY breakdown of costs but the estimate is $75k. The extra $ goes to who? Catz wallet?
Oh boy, the "e-sports community" is one of the dumbest fucking communities in existence. Better teams have tried to find sustainable ways to carry on their business, but ROOT is taking a nice shortcut to success. What happens when the $75k runs out? What is their SUSTAINABLE plan? Ask idiots (I'm sorry but that's exactly what they are) for more money?
This kind of shit should not be allowed by law, as far as I see it these kids are simply committing fraud.
Maybe Catz will just buy himself a nice car? Who the fuck knows, surely the people who are giving away their money don't.
The sad part is, ROOT players are absolute shit tier. A team house will NOT help them get better, they all have been playing this game for way too long to all of a sudden get THAT much better at this game.
FUCKING PATHETIC.
User was banned for this post. (PBU)
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On May 02 2013 04:38 IPA wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 04:29 farvacola wrote:On May 02 2013 04:24 IPA wrote:
I thought the article had some merit despite its incendiary tone. Why would you want to give money to what has essentially become a team of gaming "personalities" with no results to speak of in recent memory? ROOT seem like cool dudes but there are far more legitimate/competitive teams I would rather donate cash to.
That is my opinion of course. If you're interested in sponsoring me as a player or TL poster, please shoot me a message. It is your right as a consumer to consider results a useful standard with which to judge donations, but judging others' taste in entertainment choices is rather juvenile, which is what the article ends up sounding like. I'm not the biggest fan of Root, but a ton of people enjoy supporting a homegrown team, full of interesting personalities, that has an interest in making sure the NA scene stays active. To suggest that these people are somehow wrong or hoodwinked by an evil Peruvian mastermind is to misunderstand the nature of commercial popularity in the first place. It is also my right to judge others' entertainment choices though, juvenile or not. If you listen to Generic Pop Star #34 or love Michael Bay 'splosions, I'm going to judge you. I harbor no ill will towards ROOT. Just giving my .02.
Absolutely, this is why any article that seeks to criticize "taste" in Sc2 donation support ought to focus on the community and the people making the decision to donate as opposed to the teams. These are not mega-media conglomerates with the resources available to shape taste and barrage markets with subversive advertising, these are poor nerds who aren't Korean who want to figure out a way to sustain themselves as they put forward Starcraft 2 content/performances.
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On May 02 2013 04:35 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 04:30 namste wrote:
After reading the article, I think he has a point with whole beggar thing and how no other business in the world could do the same thing. Sure the article is written in a very controversial and even a mean way, but he does have a point. Yeah, no other business except every other project on Kickstarter...
Even the money for the stand of the statue of liberty is raised this way. Crowd funding is a true American value.
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On May 02 2013 04:39 areyouserious wrote:
This is so fucking disgusting it makes me want to vomit.
These losers have raised $35k! They are running around acting like a charity case when in reality they are just immature/irresonsible kids who want free money to live out their "dream".
Where the fuck will this money go? They didn't provide ANY breakdown of costs but the estimate is $75k. The extra $ goes to who? Catz wallet?
Oh boy, the "e-sports community" is one of the dumbest fucking communities in existence. Better teams have tried to find sustainable ways to carry on their business, but ROOT is taking a nice shortcut to success. What happens when the $75k runs out? What is their SUSTAINABLE plan? Ask idiots (I'm sorry but that's exactly what they are) for more money?
This kind of shit should not be allowed by law, as far as I see it these kids are simply committing fraud.
Maybe Catz will just buy himself a nice car? Who the fuck knows, surely the people who are giving away their money don't.
The sad part is, ROOT players are absolute shit tier. A team house will NOT help them get better, they all have been playing this game for way too long to all of a sudden get THAT much better at this game.
FUCKING PATHETIC.
No, the lottery is stupid. This? This is simply giving money to something you care about. Nothing wrong with it, and I love the crowd-sourcing idea. When there is an indie game developer who is talented and has a great vision, I'd be more than HAPPY to give money to them for them to make their vision a reality. Even if I don't get anything in return, I'm still happy to help them. I'm only upset when they don't use the money the way they said they would.
I'm posting this with the assumption you are not a troll. You likely are ^_^.
Aw B&... What does (PBU) mean?
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On May 02 2013 04:20 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 04:12 synd wrote:He has a point but no one from community will ever try to think about it since CatZ is so much liked by the community. Just the fact that we already have a 2nd project like that in less than a week -> http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/al-gaming-house is a joke itself. People shouldn't be allowed to abuse the community so much. It's the same as nowdays' Kickstarter trend to ask people for money to make a game that you have to buy afterwards. Totally wtf Every kickstarter I have seen if you pay a certain amount in donations you get the game included + early beta access. It's pretty much an extremely early pre-order if you pay that much. Now if you only donate 5-10$ then yeah you'll have to buy the game. But yeah no you don't donate to a kickstarter and then get nothing in return and if you donate that much money you are getting the game with it.
No, it's not remotely like an extremely early pre-order. Pay attention, close attention, to the Kickstarter terms. You are giving them money. They are under zero obligation to give you anything, and several projects have already failed to deliver. The bonuses and rewards mean that if they are able to make a project, you may get something. I have yet to see anyone outright scam via a Kickstarter, partially because Kickstarter is pretty tough on anyone they think might be attempting that.
Your viewpoint is, at the very least legally, erroneous. If you are kickstarting, contributing to crowd funding, don't expect anything. I dumped over $300 into the Collegiate Starleague - because I support what they do. I got a t-shirt out of it. That was nice, but not something I expected. If I give money to a kickstarter or chip-in or indiegogo, it's because I believe that what they are making/doing deserves to be made/done and the people behind it have the wherewithal and enough business sense to get it done. Giving money (and it is giving - don't expect anything if a project fails horribly) in this way isn't even an investment.
All of that said, if people believe in Root, and want Root to have a damn house, Root will get a damn house. They aren't solely relying on crowdfunding, if Catz has the intelligence/business sense he has shown before. What's your "perk"? Better training environment for Root players, easier access to NA tournaments and events, and better games.
The fact that Lewis tears into Catz for this while neglecting, I don't know, PRIME (who did a similar fundraiser for a house even though they have sponsors and other revenue streams + Show Spoiler +damn I want a hoodie - but shipping from KR is killer
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On May 02 2013 04:46 Blargh wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 04:39 areyouserious wrote:
This is so fucking disgusting it makes me want to vomit.
These losers have raised $35k! They are running around acting like a charity case when in reality they are just immature/irresonsible kids who want free money to live out their "dream".
Where the fuck will this money go? They didn't provide ANY breakdown of costs but the estimate is $75k. The extra $ goes to who? Catz wallet?
Oh boy, the "e-sports community" is one of the dumbest fucking communities in existence. Better teams have tried to find sustainable ways to carry on their business, but ROOT is taking a nice shortcut to success. What happens when the $75k runs out? What is their SUSTAINABLE plan? Ask idiots (I'm sorry but that's exactly what they are) for more money?
This kind of shit should not be allowed by law, as far as I see it these kids are simply committing fraud.
Maybe Catz will just buy himself a nice car? Who the fuck knows, surely the people who are giving away their money don't.
The sad part is, ROOT players are absolute shit tier. A team house will NOT help them get better, they all have been playing this game for way too long to all of a sudden get THAT much better at this game.
FUCKING PATHETIC. No, the lottery is stupid. This? This is simply giving money to something you care about. Nothing wrong with it, and I love the crowd-sourcing idea. When there is an indie game developer who is talented and has a great vision, I'd be more than HAPPY to give money to them for them to make their vision a reality. Even if I don't get anything in return, I'm still happy to help them. I'm only upset when they don't use the money the way they said they would. I'm posting this with the assumption you are not a troll. You likely are ^_^. Aw B&... What does (PBU) mean?
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On May 02 2013 04:43 achan1058 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 04:35 WolfintheSheep wrote:On May 02 2013 04:30 namste wrote:
After reading the article, I think he has a point with whole beggar thing and how no other business in the world could do the same thing. Sure the article is written in a very controversial and even a mean way, but he does have a point. Yeah, no other business except every other project on Kickstarter... Even the money for the stand of the statue of liberty is raised this way. Crowd funding is a true American value.
I don't wish to go too far off topic, but source please?
My understanding that the statue of liberty was a gift from France to the USA. The bit about it's stand is the first I've ever heard.
But to add to the topic, the only thing of Cadred I've followed were his interviews at events, which I thought were excellent.
This article however, is a very shallow way of looking at the topic.
The consumer is the one that pays for everything. Either they buy things from sponsors, or buy products or they invest. Not every team can ask for 25k for a game house and have enough community behind them to create that.
If the consumer wants to give their money to something they like and support, it's their choice.
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On May 02 2013 04:48 MrCash wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 04:43 achan1058 wrote:On May 02 2013 04:35 WolfintheSheep wrote:On May 02 2013 04:30 namste wrote:
After reading the article, I think he has a point with whole beggar thing and how no other business in the world could do the same thing. Sure the article is written in a very controversial and even a mean way, but he does have a point. Yeah, no other business except every other project on Kickstarter... Even the money for the stand of the statue of liberty is raised this way. Crowd funding is a true American value. I don't wish to go too far off topic, but source please? My understanding that the statue of liberty was a gift from France to the USA. The bit about it's stand is the first I've ever heard.
Here, BBC news:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21932675
The funds didn't solely came from crowd funding, but the original funds ended up a "tad" short due to escalating costs, so they put ads on newspaper to ask for donations.
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tbh I didn't really like the concept of it, which is why I didn't donate. But to call it out is a little much, if people want to help support Root (or any thing else) with there own money, why is that a problem?
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Different opinions are a good thing.
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