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On May 02 2013 04:48 FaCE_1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 04:46 Blargh wrote:On May 02 2013 04:39 areyouserious wrote:
This is so fucking disgusting it makes me want to vomit.
These losers have raised $35k! They are running around acting like a charity case when in reality they are just immature/irresonsible kids who want free money to live out their "dream".
Where the fuck will this money go? They didn't provide ANY breakdown of costs but the estimate is $75k. The extra $ goes to who? Catz wallet?
Oh boy, the "e-sports community" is one of the dumbest fucking communities in existence. Better teams have tried to find sustainable ways to carry on their business, but ROOT is taking a nice shortcut to success. What happens when the $75k runs out? What is their SUSTAINABLE plan? Ask idiots (I'm sorry but that's exactly what they are) for more money?
This kind of shit should not be allowed by law, as far as I see it these kids are simply committing fraud.
Maybe Catz will just buy himself a nice car? Who the fuck knows, surely the people who are giving away their money don't.
The sad part is, ROOT players are absolute shit tier. A team house will NOT help them get better, they all have been playing this game for way too long to all of a sudden get THAT much better at this game.
FUCKING PATHETIC. No, the lottery is stupid. This? This is simply giving money to something you care about. Nothing wrong with it, and I love the crowd-sourcing idea. When there is an indie game developer who is talented and has a great vision, I'd be more than HAPPY to give money to them for them to make their vision a reality. Even if I don't get anything in return, I'm still happy to help them. I'm only upset when they don't use the money the way they said they would. I'm posting this with the assumption you are not a troll. You likely are ^_^. Aw B&... What does (PBU) mean? previous banned user
Thank you, makes sense.
Anyway, something that may have been immoral use of crowd-sourcing is this kickstarter:
9 Year Old Kickstarter RPG Dealio
The mother (the person who technically made the Kickstarter) had quite a background. Anyway, google around and you'll find the drama surrounding that whole deal. Who knows the truth about that one, but assuming Catz was really wealthy, yeah I'd probably be upset they were crowd-sourcing, but I highly doubt Catz makes more than the average American salary...
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On May 02 2013 04:52 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Different opinions are a good thing.
Yeah they are good, but this is not a good article. He may have a point, but it is filled with misinformation and hate which should not even be in there. Overall a pretty poor piece of journalism if it should even be called that.
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On May 02 2013 04:52 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Different opinions are a good thing.
While I completely agree on an intellectual level, I feel that journalism isn't supposed to be about catering to the opinions of certain demographics or attempts to stir up drama. That certainly is entertainment which many enjoy, but is not journalism.
Journalism should be about reporting facts and educating.
To be fair I haven't personally seen him claim to be a journalist, but that seems to be the impression he is trying to create.
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Meh, he's letting his own personal feuds get in the way of being an unbiased journalist.
The topic is worth writing about and discussing, but this isn't really about that, it's about bashing ROOT because he doesn't like them after his altercations with their Smite team and Catz.
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On May 02 2013 03:58 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Richard Lewis likes to create controversy. He does write legit pieces from time to time but he stoops to Kotaku levels of nerd-baiting a little bit too much for my liking.
They've (Cadred) have always been an afterthought since the GotFrag et al days. He is no different.
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Richard Lewis is absolutely correct. This new "donation" - eSports business is godawful and makes it hard to take eSports seriously sometimes. Anyone that donated got swindled into investing into a house and a team that produces next to no income. Catz should be ashamed of himself.
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It's not the idiot who asks, it's the... You know the saying. Kids these days have it easy. In my times you paid your own flights / hotels etc when you went to compete in events. Winning a counter-strike tournament in France paid like ~2-3 times the expences, so you'd better play well. These days people just flood you with money you just simply have to ask.
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On May 02 2013 04:50 baldgye wrote:
tbh I didn't really like the concept of it, which is why I didn't donate. But to call it out is a little much, if people want to help support Root (or any thing else) with there own money, why is that a problem?
this,
I bought a shirt. But I got my shirt in return for my money which is a very fair trade, and I can still support a team I like.
I am just not comfortable with giving away my hard earned money...that I get from working my 40+ hour a week desk job, so people who play video games all day every day, can get a new house and continue playing video games all day/every day.
I thought the author of the article came off as a huge cunt, because he wants to be "edgy" and "go viral" but he did make a solid point, that Root was begging for money, which is exactly what "asking for donations" is.
I cringe every time a player asks for donations, or links their Paypal, or begs for money.
If you aren't making it, maybe its time you went and got a real job like the rest of us.
Who among every single person on TL/Reddit WOULDNT want to make a living hanging out playing video games...
at least MOST of the pro's are decent enough to disguise their donations as "lessons"
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On May 02 2013 05:00 Zeevo wrote:
Richard Lewis is absolutely correct. This new "donation" - eSports business is godawful and makes it hard to take eSports seriously sometimes. Anyone that donated got swindled into investing into a house and a team that produces next to no income. Catz should be ashamed of himself.
Random question - do you feel this way when "donating" the $5 more for a hot dog while at a sporting event? How about Packers fans buying "stock" in that venerable franchise? How about this twitter campaign by Manchester United fans? (For that matter, anyone supporting the Cubs in anyway.)
Fans want to support teams they want to support. This is NOT an "eSports" thing. This is a fan thing. Stop trying to sound the "hurting eSports" bell.
On May 02 2013 05:03 MaestroSC wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 04:50 baldgye wrote:
tbh I didn't really like the concept of it, which is why I didn't donate. But to call it out is a little much, if people want to help support Root (or any thing else) with there own money, why is that a problem? this, I bought a shirt. But I got my shirt in return for my money which is a very fair trade, and I can still support a team I like. I am just not comfortable with giving away my hard earned money...that I get from working my 40+ hour a week desk job, so people who play video games all day every day, can get a new house and continue playing video games all day/every day. I thought the author of the article came off as a huge cunt, because he wants to be "edgy" and "go viral" but he did make a solid point, that Root was begging for money, which is exactly what "asking for donations" is. I cringe every time a player asks for donations, or links their Paypal, or begs for money. If you aren't making it, maybe its time you went and got a real job like the rest of us. Who among every single person on TL/Reddit WOULDNT want to make a living hanging out playing video games... at least MOST of the pro's are decent enough to disguise their donations as "lessons"
So, to summarize your post - there is no such thing as professional video game players. Because it's not a "real job". Can you elaborate on that? Because I sure as hell would think destroying your eyesight by spending 12 hours staring at a screen while coordinating actions strenuously enough to cause wrist strain could be considered a "real job". (Well, except that I am required by law to have multiple breaks, not work more than 40 hours a week before being compensated at a higher rate and with a cap on how many hours I can work in total. And what I do is not even as strenuous as professional level gaming.)
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I feel like an article that would have received a warning on TL had it been published on the forums as just another post will never be worth reading.
This guy attacking ROOT's efforts is so childish, what exactly has he done that gives him the right to belittle the efforts of others (both ROOT the organization and the fans who contributed)? Personally, as someone who contributed as much as I could reasonably afford to ROOT's fundraiser, I only have a hearty "Fuck you" to give to Dick. I agree with TB also, too much nerd baiting and controversy-mongering to even waste time on.
ROOT4ROOT.
I hope CatZ and the rest of the Root guys can just shrug this off like the immature and silly raving it is. There's still plenty of us here that believe in you guys.
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On May 02 2013 05:07 felisconcolori wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2013 05:00 Zeevo wrote:
Richard Lewis is absolutely correct. This new "donation" - eSports business is godawful and makes it hard to take eSports seriously sometimes. Anyone that donated got swindled into investing into a house and a team that produces next to no income. Catz should be ashamed of himself. Random question - do you feel this way when "donating" the $5 more for a hot dog while at a sporting event? How about Packers fans buying "stock" in that venerable franchise? How about this twitter campaign by Manchester United fans? (For that matter, anyone supporting the Cubs in anyway.) Fans want to support teams they want to support. This is NOT an "eSports" thing. This is a fan thing. Stop trying to sound the "hurting eSports" bell.
I will echo this. There are other, more "legit", things that work on donations. I see this message on Wikipedia all the time, and let's not go into organizations such as Red Cross. I see no problems with donation. If that's what people want to do, they can go ahead. I won't since I don't care about Root (unlike say Wikipedia).
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Richard Lewis is the same guy that had some pretty damn negative opinions about Day9. Frankfully, I think he's just a guy that loves to have extreme opinions, that will always border on the negative cause of the attention they generate.
The Day9 remark.
+ Show Spoiler +It’s absolute e-sports career suicide to come out and say anything bad about him. He has become the ambassador for SC2, has become a bankable broadcaster and has made himself a tidy sum of money because he was in the right place, in the right time, doing the right thing. Now I’ve only met him once and on that occasion he put his hand in my face and told me he wouldn’t talk to me. I’m not a fan, I don’t drool over what he does, I think if he did it in any other industry other than e-sports he’d be deemed fairly average. I wasn’t trying to get an autograph. It was a hello from one member of the press to the other. This qualifies as the single rudest person I've met in e-sports... I mean, talk to the hand? What the fuck?
Now, when I go to events I’m approached just the same by all sorts of people. People who want to be unbanned, people who want my opinion about their shitty little mix team, fellow writers who want me to have a look at their stuff, gamers who have heard rumours about me, people who want to tell me to my face why I’m wrong and people who are threatening to hit me. Even with that last option I’ll talk civilly and I’d be astounded, genuinely, if you could find many people out there who could say I’ve been rude to them. Even people I have cross words with usually end up on a night out with me as way of an apology. E-sports is a small, small place. There’s no status and no celebrity. We’re just guys.
Many people approached me after that rudeness to make apologies for him. Then I asked around and found out it wasn’t an isolated incident, that at events where he’d worked he’d been behaving like a prima donna, that he’d been extremely rude to people who were paying him to work for them. No-one wants to believe it because of how he comes across in his little Youtube videos but it’s obvious based on what I’ve heard that he’s a phony, as fake as those crocodile tears he likes to sporadically burst into whenever he feels he needs to prove just what a nice caring guy he is.
I doubt he’ll lose any sleep about anyone criticising him because he’s in an unassailable position. Still, I can’t abide people who think they’re some kind of rock star because they are a big deal in e-sports. Frankly, it’s embarrassing.
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So he's mad at fans for how they decide to spend their own money?
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Northern Ireland23767 Posts
I like Richard Lewis and he does good interviews with the UK players especially, but this is rather biased even accepting the generally acerbic nature of his previous articles I've seen. He's capable of better, but sadly I think he's caught on to the sad truth that being controversial and writing polemics gets more exposure, views and ultimately moolah than more measured approaches.
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Northern Ireland23767 Posts
I agree with him on Day incidentally. Not perhaps that he's a dick or whatever, but that he's a sacred cow who can do no wrong and is insulated from criticism by and large, he's stagnated imo as a result.
That people bring up 'he's also the guy who has negative opinions about Day9' kind of reinforces my view onthat.
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I don't understand how this is even an issue. All sorts of organizations do donation drives like this. PBS, schools, churches, small local sports teams, etc. Seems like he's calling them out simply because they can use their mediums of choice to get the point across to more people, so it's more effective, and obviously if it's more effective it's hurting the scene, or something?
Those of you saying anything about the root level of skill not only seem to be forgetting about their koreans, but also don't seem to recognize the talent CatZ and those who have worked closely with him have fostered. He's the Tommy Mattola of the NA SC2 scene. Players like Vibe, Leiya, Kane, etc. all have huge potential and will go far given the chance. They wouldn't have been picked up by the EG's or Liquids of the community (I guess it's possible, but unlikely) and now they have outspoken management ready and willing to back them up with passion and desire to see them get where they need to be.
I'm all for differing opinions but this left a pretty foul taste in my mouth.
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Professional sports teams go to the public all the time for help in expanding or building new stadiums. How is this any different?
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Whatever. ROOT is the Green Bay Packers, owned and funded by the public. Suck on that, Richard Lewis.
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On May 02 2013 05:12 Wombat_NI wrote:
I agree with him on Day incidentally. Not perhaps that he's a dick or whatever, but that he's a sacred cow who can do no wrong and is insulated from criticism by and large, he's stagnated imo as a result.
That people bring up 'he's also the guy who has negative opinions about Day9' kind of reinforces my view onthat.
I do agree on this point, as well. I don't have some huge grudge against him like he (evidently) does. Hell, I've probably watched about 50 live Day9 Dailies.
But his comments on the ROOT gaming house donation deal is a bit absurd. If I am a wealth individual who was blessed with great fortune at an early age, is it wrong to give money to something I care about? What if I gave it do a global health related charity? Am I being "swindled" there?? Hell, like someone else mentioned... Churches have been doing this shit for CENTURIES. He should be writing articles about Churches, not some ROOT gaming house. They spend the money in far more immoral ways. Promise.
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On May 02 2013 05:21 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
Whatever. ROOT is the Green Bay Packers, owned and funded by the public. Suck on that, Richard Lewis.
Owned by Catz :o
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