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Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
May 01 2013 21:14 GMT
#101
Can't people spend their money on what they want to spend it on?
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cybertopo
Profile Joined February 2010
Spain525 Posts
May 01 2013 21:16 GMT
#102
On May 02 2013 03:58 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Richard Lewis likes to create controversy. He does write legit pieces from time to time but he stoops to Kotaku levels of nerd-baiting a little bit too much for my liking.


OH THE IRONY
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
May 01 2013 21:16 GMT
#103
On May 02 2013 06:14 Targe wrote:
Can't people spend their money on what they want to spend it on?

No! If I dont like it you're not allowed to either! /sarcasm
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Dr.Sin
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1126 Posts
May 01 2013 21:19 GMT
#104
What people choose to do with their money is their decision. To be perfectly honest, the guys at ROOT have always worn their hearts on their sleeves and have never struck me as the kinds of people that just wanted to make a quick buck and exploit the community. I understand Richard Lewis doesn't like the practice, but his tone and approach are unprofessional and disrespectful. As TB said, he's doing this to get attention, not to expose legitimate harm being done. At least ROOT is honest about what it is they're trying to do.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 01 2013 21:24 GMT
#105
On May 02 2013 06:16 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2013 06:14 Targe wrote:
Can't people spend their money on what they want to spend it on?

No! If I dont like it you're not allowed to either! /sarcasm

And if you are, we are going to point out that is is possible that you are being taken advantage of! In writing, on a webpage, that I make money from.

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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26224 Posts
May 01 2013 21:25 GMT
#106
Actually properly reading the article there are a lot more things in there that I agree on than I thought I would.

While it's unfair imo in the way it tears into Root specifically, he does make a load of pretty decent point. I agree with his 'lowest common denominator' barb about certain streamers, and that is the niche that is being ploughed. Ironically (point proven?) his own articles that are decent or his good interviews get a fraction of the views that his rants or what have you do.

Imo We need to get over this obsession with both established personalities and ESPECIALLY fucking 'drama' as a community and start supporting more of the following:

Journalists and writers who write good, informative and neutral stuff
Supporting more players who are good and unheralded, rather than sticking to community favourites
Give new casting talent more of an outlet

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IPA
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3206 Posts
May 01 2013 21:35 GMT
#107
I've always liked and agreed with Richard Lewis's take on Day9.
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TheSir
Profile Joined February 2012
1830 Posts
May 01 2013 21:42 GMT
#108
On May 02 2013 05:34 Demicore wrote:
Never liked Lewis' articles but this is a new low.


Cause?
People should do what ever they want with their money but Richard Lewis has a pretty good point here. I thought the fundraiser was pretty big joke, i mean a fundraiser to buy beds and house furniture etc? Now, thats a new low, just get a few hundred bucks and go to a freaking thrift store. They are all pro gamers, they should have a couple hundred dollars to buy that, otherwise please for the love of god, go do something else. Or do they need some fancy cow leather chairs or something? What im saying is, basically your gonna have to justify every purchase with a fundraiser like this.

Dont get me wrong, i like Catz and many of the ROOT players but if they cant sustain and improve their life with playing games then why should i as a consumer help? Their not even selling a product or offer anything.... All they did with the fundraiser was asking to people to help them and then, well lets hope we can do this cause otherwise we will gonna need another fundraiser. I couldn't find any information about how sustainable the plan would be, which i understand cause they probably dont know.
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-01 21:47:34
May 01 2013 21:44 GMT
#109
it's a good point but ROOT has done nothing to deserve being attacked specifically. look at any popular stream on twitch for any game, unless the streamer gets a salary from a big team like EG, they'll have a donation button.

why? because people like giving away money and begging for donations is easier than working part-time to pay rent.

Actually now that I think about it at least ROOT is saying what they'll do with the money, everyone else is just saying "support me."
warshop
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada490 Posts
May 01 2013 21:46 GMT
#110
On May 02 2013 06:03 MaestroSC wrote:
And esports is just like every other sport, those who deserve to make it, will make it.


I don't think you can make such an assessment.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
May 01 2013 21:47 GMT
#111
Well, article contains some valid points that are worth talking about. Too bad he had to coat it in so much sensational crap that everybody quickly browsing over it will just toss it aside.
Kavik
Profile Joined April 2011
United States31 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-01 22:03:34
May 01 2013 21:58 GMT
#112
On May 02 2013 05:38 MaestroSC wrote:agreed with this.

they could literally cut their costs in HALF, and they could buy a damn Van with part of their savings, if they would plan a bit smarter, and think "cost efficiency". For instance, moving outside of SF, to a more modest/urban neighborhood. Ya living in the burbs may not be as "fun and edgy" as living in SF, but its also 1/2 the price.

this is one of the falls of being handed money in donations tho... you are not as...creative when it comes to spending.

35,000
which they have already reached...
could easily cover a year+ for a team house, if they were smart with their money.

I don't know how 75,000 was reached, but I guess if everyone wants their own room/top $$ computer/all expenses paid -food, travel, bills, literally every dollar each of them makes should be pure profit for at LEAST.. a year.


We said "the Bay Area" or "somewhere near San Francisco but a lot cheaper" when asked where the house would be. We raised 30k, and it will be as transparent as I can make it once I have something official to announce. I think that also covers your other concerns with our "creative" spending.

edit: removed my snark.
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Terrestrialrage
Profile Joined February 2011
United States122 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-01 22:05:37
May 01 2013 21:59 GMT
#113
There could have been a legitimate discussion until he attempted to further his "journalism career" by blasting ROOT like sAviOr was just caught throwing games and he was personally leading the pitchfork rally. This is a blast piece pure and simple. If you agree with him, don't donate. If you don't agree with him, donate. Whatever. This piece of "journalism" is the last thing e-sports needs, even more so than teams asking for community assistance.

Dont get me wrong, i like Catz and many of the ROOT players but if they cant sustain and improve their life with playing games then why should i as a consumer help?


This bugs me to no end. Heres the kicker, and I'm sure youll be shocked... YOU DIDN'T HELP AS A CONSUMER! Thats your choice! Disagree if you'd like, thats fine, but the amount of self-importance going on in this thread is ridiculous. This has zero effect on you or Richard Lewis or ANYONE for that matter.
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KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
May 01 2013 22:01 GMT
#114
On May 02 2013 06:58 Kavik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2013 05:38 MaestroSC wrote:agreed with this.

they could literally cut their costs in HALF, and they could buy a damn Van with part of their savings, if they would plan a bit smarter, and think "cost efficiency". For instance, moving outside of SF, to a more modest/urban neighborhood. Ya living in the burbs may not be as "fun and edgy" as living in SF, but its also 1/2 the price.

this is one of the falls of being handed money in donations tho... you are not as...creative when it comes to spending.

35,000
which they have already reached...
could easily cover a year+ for a team house, if they were smart with their money.

I don't know how 75,000 was reached, but I guess if everyone wants their own room/top $$ computer/all expenses paid -food, travel, bills, literally every dollar each of them makes should be pure profit for at LEAST.. a year.


You know, you'd think we at ROOT would have thought of some of these things, but I guess not

Except that we said "the Bay Area" or "somewhere near San Francisco but a lot cheaper" when asked where the house would be. You seem to have this idea that we're buying a mansion in downtown San Francisco because we raised 35k (are you donating the extra 5k you made up by the way?) and that we're just going to throw money at everything.

Thanks at least for giving us a chance to be "creative when it comes to spending" before you pulled these facts out of nowhere.


But...he's from the internet! He must know everything!
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Dr.Sin
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1126 Posts
May 01 2013 22:03 GMT
#115
Speaking of donations, wasn't there a player at Dreamhack who wore a shirt with the names of everyone who contributed to him being able to go? I recall the commentators praising the guy for making it and the generosity of his viewers. He wasn't alone.
Toadvine
Profile Joined November 2010
Poland2234 Posts
May 01 2013 22:06 GMT
#116
I'm sure Reddit is mining for Richard Lewis' personal information as we speak, so that the death threats and prank phone calls may commence.
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Mormel
Profile Joined February 2012
Netherlands57 Posts
May 01 2013 22:12 GMT
#117
why the fuck is everybody calling this an ARTICLE, it's a column for god sake. Learn the difference.
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MaestroSC
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2073 Posts
May 01 2013 22:14 GMT
#118
On May 02 2013 07:01 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2013 06:58 Kavik wrote:
On May 02 2013 05:38 MaestroSC wrote:agreed with this.

they could literally cut their costs in HALF, and they could buy a damn Van with part of their savings, if they would plan a bit smarter, and think "cost efficiency". For instance, moving outside of SF, to a more modest/urban neighborhood. Ya living in the burbs may not be as "fun and edgy" as living in SF, but its also 1/2 the price.

this is one of the falls of being handed money in donations tho... you are not as...creative when it comes to spending.

35,000
which they have already reached...
could easily cover a year+ for a team house, if they were smart with their money.

I don't know how 75,000 was reached, but I guess if everyone wants their own room/top $$ computer/all expenses paid -food, travel, bills, literally every dollar each of them makes should be pure profit for at LEAST.. a year.


You know, you'd think we at ROOT would have thought of some of these things, but I guess not

Except that we said "the Bay Area" or "somewhere near San Francisco but a lot cheaper" when asked where the house would be. You seem to have this idea that we're buying a mansion in downtown San Francisco because we raised 35k (are you donating the extra 5k you made up by the way?) and that we're just going to throw money at everything.

Thanks at least for giving us a chance to be "creative when it comes to spending" before you pulled these facts out of nowhere.


But...he's from the internet! He must know everything!



or just simply saying "We have thought about it, and we are actually moving outside of SF" was such an incredibly hard response, that couldn't have been enough to point out the problem with what I wrote
Lumi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1616 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-01 22:18:00
May 01 2013 22:17 GMT
#119
There is a surprisingly relevant Ted talk I watched a few days ago which touches directly on asking fans for money: http://www.ted.com/talks/amanda_palmer_the_art_of_asking.html

This covers my opinion on the matter.
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Ballack
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway821 Posts
May 01 2013 22:23 GMT
#120
Say what you want about it, they are making a fuck-ton of money
Just when I thought I was out, Blizz pulled me back in..
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