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ShurykaN
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States338 Posts
May 01 2013 23:47 GMT
#141
I thought it was about the basketball player Richard Lewis who used to be on the sonics.
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
May 01 2013 23:49 GMT
#142
On May 02 2013 08:47 RebelSlayer wrote:
I thought it was about the basketball player Richard Lewis who used to be on the sonics.


I think you're thinking of Rashard Lewis, who was traded to the Magic and then the Wizards. Not to be confused with Richard Lewis, the Jewish comedian. Not to be confused with this Richard Lewis, whoever the hell he is.
Richard_Lewis
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom446 Posts
May 01 2013 23:51 GMT
#143
Only just saw this here,

Won't get into the ins and outs of discussing the points in the article. It's all fairly self-explanatory. You either agree or disagree. There's arguments on both sides.

People criticising the style of the article... The "Gonzorreah" column is the longest running column in e-sports. It's about six years old has been coming out weekly / bi-weekly in all that time. It has a specific tone that I know many in the SC2 community won't be used to but that tone is about being aggressive in its language and going after perceived wrongs within e-sports. It's been that way from the very first time it was published and I won't be changing it.

Is it representative of all my work? Absolutely not. People latch on to these types of pieces for a reason and the amount of people here who feel compelled to condemn it, seemingly without reading it, because it's "bad mannered" or "a vendetta against ROOT"... I can't manufacture them running a fund raiser to rent a gaming house, something a lot of people in the industry find distasteful. I imagine people would all be lauding the article if it was EG that had set up such a scheme.

Regardless, I believe good journalism is that which provokes debate and opinions. If people are having a discussion like this thread, I'll take the pitchforks that come with it because that#s what these articles are designed to do. It's not about page views, or hits. I tweet it out to people who follow me and encourage them to spread it if they think it has a point. The discussion is far more important within an e-sports context - I get paid the same if tens of thousands see it or dozens do.

Those saying I could have explored further are absolutely right. There are numerous other examples. I could have added another 1000 words on to it and then endured TL:DR posts because that would have pushed it over 3000 words but in the end the opinion that is central to the piece is ultimately more important than the specific examples.

Thanks to everyone for reading and as I said my column is a specific type of writing. I've done plenty of other factual pieces of writing that have required investigating, research and all the other stuff you're saying is lacking from this piece. That type of writing isn't really what a column is about and I hope people can understand that distinction.
Editor In Chief of www.cadred.org
desRow
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2654 Posts
May 01 2013 23:52 GMT
#144
On May 02 2013 05:24 -_- wrote:
The comparison of streamers to "camwhores" was frighteningly apt.

--

I mostly agree with Richard Lewis. Everyone who donated to Root, donated to an organization who tried to create a teamhouse before and failed. They donated to an organization which is a revolving door for players; they stop by so they're not "teamless," then leave when any other team offers them *anything.* They donated to an organization which closed up shop so that Catz and Drewbie could play on Col.

Essentially, they donated in the hopes of growing ESPORTS and ROOT when there is every indication that Catz will fail. For Pete's sake! Their new sponsor makes gamer business cards! The owners of Gunnar glasses are probably saying "damn that's useless..."

So I agree with RL. But some part of me is still hoping Catz can pull it off. A year or so ago Desrow went to Korea. There was talk of him becoming a top foreigner, making it to the GSL, you know, crazy pipe dreams. I knew who wouldn't make it. He wasn't a hard worker who ground 50 games a day. He didn't have any hand speed. Just didn't have any of the tools. But I wished him GLHF and truly hoped he'd make it. Same for Root.

GlHf

you don't even know half the story. I wasn't good enough to accomplish anything in Korea in the first place but I did get better and I grew a lot as a person.
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Demicore
Profile Joined October 2011
France503 Posts
May 01 2013 23:57 GMT
#145
On May 02 2013 06:42 TheSir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2013 05:34 Demicore wrote:
Never liked Lewis' articles but this is a new low.


Cause?
People should do what ever they want with their money but Richard Lewis has a pretty good point here. I thought the fundraiser was pretty big joke, i mean a fundraiser to buy beds and house furniture etc? Now, thats a new low, just get a few hundred bucks and go to a freaking thrift store. They are all pro gamers, they should have a couple hundred dollars to buy that, otherwise please for the love of god, go do something else. Or do they need some fancy cow leather chairs or something? What im saying is, basically your gonna have to justify every purchase with a fundraiser like this.

Dont get me wrong, i like Catz and many of the ROOT players but if they cant sustain and improve their life with playing games then why should i as a consumer help? Their not even selling a product or offer anything.... All they did with the fundraiser was asking to people to help them and then, well lets hope we can do this cause otherwise we will gonna need another fundraiser. I couldn't find any information about how sustainable the plan would be, which i understand cause they probably dont know.


I didn't agree with the fundraiser either but it didn't deserve such a harsh article in response. I see it as pure vitriol aimed at attracting controversy; that's not what I expect from someone calling himself a journalist.
"I love male nipples in starcraft; the two go together so well." ~Tasteless
TheSwamp
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1497 Posts
May 01 2013 23:57 GMT
#146
I was hoping it was going to be the talented Richard Lewis.
MLG: How is your Protoss? Idra: I make Blink Stalkers, so really, really good.
mprs
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2933 Posts
May 01 2013 23:58 GMT
#147
There is no ethical problem with Root asking for money. They could have held a "get Catz a car" charity and if the community deems it fit, then so be it. This is a non-story.
We talkin about PRACTICE
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
May 02 2013 00:02 GMT
#148
On May 02 2013 08:51 Richard_Lewis wrote:

Those saying I could have explored further are absolutely right. There are numerous other examples. I could have added another 1000 words on to it and then endured TL:DR posts because that would have pushed it over 3000 words but in the end the opinion that is central to the piece is ultimately more important than the specific examples.

Thanks to everyone for reading and as I said my column is a specific type of writing. I've done plenty of other factual pieces of writing that have required investigating, research and all the other stuff you're saying is lacking from this piece. That type of writing isn't really what a column is about and I hope people can understand that distinction.


The topic is worth investigating and getting in-depth about. You should do a more serious feature article. Demoting it to a blog that you admit is designed to be more inflammatory/provocative than meaningful is kind of a waste.
MaestroSC
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2073 Posts
May 02 2013 00:03 GMT
#149
On May 02 2013 08:51 Richard_Lewis wrote:
Only just saw this here,

Won't get into the ins and outs of discussing the points in the article. It's all fairly self-explanatory. You either agree or disagree. There's arguments on both sides.

People criticising the style of the article... The "Gonzorreah" column is the longest running column in e-sports. It's about six years old has been coming out weekly / bi-weekly in all that time. It has a specific tone that I know many in the SC2 community won't be used to but that tone is about being aggressive in its language and going after perceived wrongs within e-sports. It's been that way from the very first time it was published and I won't be changing it.

Is it representative of all my work? Absolutely not. People latch on to these types of pieces for a reason and the amount of people here who feel compelled to condemn it, seemingly without reading it, because it's "bad mannered" or "a vendetta against ROOT"... I can't manufacture them running a fund raiser to rent a gaming house, something a lot of people in the industry find distasteful. I imagine people would all be lauding the article if it was EG that had set up such a scheme.

Regardless, I believe good journalism is that which provokes debate and opinions. If people are having a discussion like this thread, I'll take the pitchforks that come with it because that#s what these articles are designed to do. It's not about page views, or hits. I tweet it out to people who follow me and encourage them to spread it if they think it has a point. The discussion is far more important within an e-sports context - I get paid the same if tens of thousands see it or dozens do.

Those saying I could have explored further are absolutely right. There are numerous other examples. I could have added another 1000 words on to it and then endured TL:DR posts because that would have pushed it over 3000 words but in the end the opinion that is central to the piece is ultimately more important than the specific examples.

Thanks to everyone for reading and as I said my column is a specific type of writing. I've done plenty of other factual pieces of writing that have required investigating, research and all the other stuff you're saying is lacking from this piece. That type of writing isn't really what a column is about and I hope people can understand that distinction.



saying "I come off as an asshole, because I always come off as an asshole, when I write these columns" wont make anyone who is unhappy about the tone it was written in go
"Oh so he is always an asshole, and its on purpose.... nvm then I love it"

but I understand that you want to clarify, that these columns are always written from the perspective of an asshole, but the rest of your work usually is not from that same perspective.

TLDR:
I'm allowed to write articles/pieces in this column, from the perspective of an asshole, because its the longest running column in esports. Its been going on for 6 years now. But please do not let this lead you to the fact, that all of my pieces are written in this perspective.
looknohands119
Profile Joined March 2010
United States815 Posts
May 02 2013 00:04 GMT
#150
How people think that what Catz and the rest of ROOT did should be even vaguely controversial makes my head hurt. Part of this community's permanent identity is its fundamentally grassroots nature. Rule number one of good business is that your business model must reflect the culture of its market in order to be successful. If the two are mismatched, it might take a while, but eventually it will always fail. Root uses what most would call an "alternative" business model, one that relies on outreach and community support in order to help build infrastructure that is good not only for its team but also for the health and development of the industry as a whole. They have clearly chosen correctly because not only does their business model obviously match up with the logic of their context but it has been, by anyone's standards, quite successful. They have made a very conscious (and apparently well thought out) decision to market themselves as a community based organization. Given the reasons why we're all ostensibly here, that seems something worthy of people's support and admiration. There are few people in this industry who truly understand both what good business is and the nature of the community and the guys at Root seem to have their heads on straight. Unfortunately, it seems as though the same cannot be said for Richard Lewis.

Also, Richard seems to have a penchant for mixing up questions of fact with questions of opinion as if there isn't actually a right or wrong answer. This case is NOT a question of opinion. Regardless of what your "opinion" is, either Root was correct, incorrect, or somewhere in between when they chose their business model and brand logic. We can (and should) argue about where they fall on that spectrum but we are then arguing about the truth not about people's 'preferences'.
"The kingdom of the heavens is buried treasure. Would you sell yourself to buy the one you've found?" - Jon Foreman ('Your Love Is Strong' - Spring EP)
Richard_Lewis
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom446 Posts
May 02 2013 00:05 GMT
#151
On May 02 2013 09:02 Defacer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2013 08:51 Richard_Lewis wrote:

Those saying I could have explored further are absolutely right. There are numerous other examples. I could have added another 1000 words on to it and then endured TL:DR posts because that would have pushed it over 3000 words but in the end the opinion that is central to the piece is ultimately more important than the specific examples.

Thanks to everyone for reading and as I said my column is a specific type of writing. I've done plenty of other factual pieces of writing that have required investigating, research and all the other stuff you're saying is lacking from this piece. That type of writing isn't really what a column is about and I hope people can understand that distinction.


The topic is worth investigating and getting in-depth about. You should do a more serious feature article. Demoting it to a blog that you admit is designed to be more inflammatory/provocative than meaningful is kind of a waste.


I produce a regular column, this was the topic I wanted to write about in that column. There's more than enough in there to spark the debate.

I'll happily go away and look individually at examples and, if there's a piece there, I'll write it in the fashion it deserves. This however is not designed to be that piece.

Editor In Chief of www.cadred.org
Richard_Lewis
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom446 Posts
May 02 2013 00:08 GMT
#152
On May 02 2013 09:03 MaestroSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2013 08:51 Richard_Lewis wrote:
Only just saw this here,

Won't get into the ins and outs of discussing the points in the article. It's all fairly self-explanatory. You either agree or disagree. There's arguments on both sides.

People criticising the style of the article... The "Gonzorreah" column is the longest running column in e-sports. It's about six years old has been coming out weekly / bi-weekly in all that time. It has a specific tone that I know many in the SC2 community won't be used to but that tone is about being aggressive in its language and going after perceived wrongs within e-sports. It's been that way from the very first time it was published and I won't be changing it.

Is it representative of all my work? Absolutely not. People latch on to these types of pieces for a reason and the amount of people here who feel compelled to condemn it, seemingly without reading it, because it's "bad mannered" or "a vendetta against ROOT"... I can't manufacture them running a fund raiser to rent a gaming house, something a lot of people in the industry find distasteful. I imagine people would all be lauding the article if it was EG that had set up such a scheme.

Regardless, I believe good journalism is that which provokes debate and opinions. If people are having a discussion like this thread, I'll take the pitchforks that come with it because that#s what these articles are designed to do. It's not about page views, or hits. I tweet it out to people who follow me and encourage them to spread it if they think it has a point. The discussion is far more important within an e-sports context - I get paid the same if tens of thousands see it or dozens do.

Those saying I could have explored further are absolutely right. There are numerous other examples. I could have added another 1000 words on to it and then endured TL:DR posts because that would have pushed it over 3000 words but in the end the opinion that is central to the piece is ultimately more important than the specific examples.

Thanks to everyone for reading and as I said my column is a specific type of writing. I've done plenty of other factual pieces of writing that have required investigating, research and all the other stuff you're saying is lacking from this piece. That type of writing isn't really what a column is about and I hope people can understand that distinction.



saying "I come off as an asshole, because I always come off as an asshole, when I write these columns" wont make anyone who is unhappy about the tone it was written in go
"Oh so he is always an asshole, and its on purpose.... nvm then I love it"

but I understand that you want to clarify, that these columns are always written from the perspective of an asshole, but the rest of your work usually is not from that same perspective.

TLDR:
I'm allowed to write articles/pieces in this column, from the perspective of an asshole, because its the longest running column in esports. Its been going on for 6 years now. But please do not let this lead you to the fact, that all of my pieces are written in this perspective.


I guess I should be thankful at least I'm clarifying the tone of a column and not actually what a column is as I often have to do within the Counter-Strike community.

The last relevant factual piece I wrote was about mTw shutting down. I broke that story.- http://www.cadred.org/News/Article/191506/

Hopefully people can see the differences in tone between the two. Same guy writing it, just different articles designed to achieve different things.
Editor In Chief of www.cadred.org
MaestroSC
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2073 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-02 00:28:09
May 02 2013 00:27 GMT
#153
On May 02 2013 09:08 Richard_Lewis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2013 09:03 MaestroSC wrote:
On May 02 2013 08:51 Richard_Lewis wrote:
Only just saw this here,

Won't get into the ins and outs of discussing the points in the article. It's all fairly self-explanatory. You either agree or disagree. There's arguments on both sides.

People criticising the style of the article... The "Gonzorreah" column is the longest running column in e-sports. It's about six years old has been coming out weekly / bi-weekly in all that time. It has a specific tone that I know many in the SC2 community won't be used to but that tone is about being aggressive in its language and going after perceived wrongs within e-sports. It's been that way from the very first time it was published and I won't be changing it.

Is it representative of all my work? Absolutely not. People latch on to these types of pieces for a reason and the amount of people here who feel compelled to condemn it, seemingly without reading it, because it's "bad mannered" or "a vendetta against ROOT"... I can't manufacture them running a fund raiser to rent a gaming house, something a lot of people in the industry find distasteful. I imagine people would all be lauding the article if it was EG that had set up such a scheme.

Regardless, I believe good journalism is that which provokes debate and opinions. If people are having a discussion like this thread, I'll take the pitchforks that come with it because that#s what these articles are designed to do. It's not about page views, or hits. I tweet it out to people who follow me and encourage them to spread it if they think it has a point. The discussion is far more important within an e-sports context - I get paid the same if tens of thousands see it or dozens do.

Those saying I could have explored further are absolutely right. There are numerous other examples. I could have added another 1000 words on to it and then endured TL:DR posts because that would have pushed it over 3000 words but in the end the opinion that is central to the piece is ultimately more important than the specific examples.

Thanks to everyone for reading and as I said my column is a specific type of writing. I've done plenty of other factual pieces of writing that have required investigating, research and all the other stuff you're saying is lacking from this piece. That type of writing isn't really what a column is about and I hope people can understand that distinction.



saying "I come off as an asshole, because I always come off as an asshole, when I write these columns" wont make anyone who is unhappy about the tone it was written in go
"Oh so he is always an asshole, and its on purpose.... nvm then I love it"

but I understand that you want to clarify, that these columns are always written from the perspective of an asshole, but the rest of your work usually is not from that same perspective.

TLDR:
I'm allowed to write articles/pieces in this column, from the perspective of an asshole, because its the longest running column in esports. Its been going on for 6 years now. But please do not let this lead you to the fact, that all of my pieces are written in this perspective.


I guess I should be thankful at least I'm clarifying the tone of a column and not actually what a column is as I often have to do within the Counter-Strike community.

The last relevant factual piece I wrote was about mTw shutting down. I broke that story.- http://www.cadred.org/News/Article/191506/

Hopefully people can see the differences in tone between the two. Same guy writing it, just different articles designed to achieve different things.


I get it. I write shit as an asshole all the time. =) sometimes it just makes u feel better.
Joedaddy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1948 Posts
May 02 2013 00:32 GMT
#154
On May 02 2013 07:24 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2013 06:16 cybertopo wrote:
On May 02 2013 03:58 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Richard Lewis likes to create controversy. He does write legit pieces from time to time but he stoops to Kotaku levels of nerd-baiting a little bit too much for my liking.


OH THE IRONY


Even if your assumption that TotalBiscuit does similar things to Richard Lewis is true, wouldn't that technically be hypocracy, and not irony? English majors help me out here.


Wax I love you, but have you ever missed an opportunity to defend biscut? I can't remember a negative post about TB where your name didn't show up to defense the guy.

I don't understand why this guy has such a problem with ROOT asking for donations. People like to support things they care about, and that's ok.
I might be the minority on TL, but TL is the minority everywhere else.
mangomango
Profile Joined September 2009
United States265 Posts
May 02 2013 00:32 GMT
#155
Kickstarter is based on the concept of crowd funding; fans bringing into existence the things that they want to support that are not (at least initially) supported by the market. If we want to see the Root house up and running then we have every right to support them. Asking people to invest in your idea is a great way to raise the money to bring it into existence. And our return on that investment is the enjoyment we will receive from watching their success in the future. It's the same reason I paid $100 for a season ticket to the GSL. I wanted to support the work of Artosis and Taseteless. I see no difference between that and supporting Root. Go for it Catz. Make it happen. Make us proud.
Husky: Every drone you lose is like a needle in the eye. Nony: probes win $10k (Earn it! Idra Fighting) :P
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 02 2013 00:33 GMT
#156
On May 02 2013 09:27 MaestroSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 02 2013 09:08 Richard_Lewis wrote:
On May 02 2013 09:03 MaestroSC wrote:
On May 02 2013 08:51 Richard_Lewis wrote:
Only just saw this here,

Won't get into the ins and outs of discussing the points in the article. It's all fairly self-explanatory. You either agree or disagree. There's arguments on both sides.

People criticising the style of the article... The "Gonzorreah" column is the longest running column in e-sports. It's about six years old has been coming out weekly / bi-weekly in all that time. It has a specific tone that I know many in the SC2 community won't be used to but that tone is about being aggressive in its language and going after perceived wrongs within e-sports. It's been that way from the very first time it was published and I won't be changing it.

Is it representative of all my work? Absolutely not. People latch on to these types of pieces for a reason and the amount of people here who feel compelled to condemn it, seemingly without reading it, because it's "bad mannered" or "a vendetta against ROOT"... I can't manufacture them running a fund raiser to rent a gaming house, something a lot of people in the industry find distasteful. I imagine people would all be lauding the article if it was EG that had set up such a scheme.

Regardless, I believe good journalism is that which provokes debate and opinions. If people are having a discussion like this thread, I'll take the pitchforks that come with it because that#s what these articles are designed to do. It's not about page views, or hits. I tweet it out to people who follow me and encourage them to spread it if they think it has a point. The discussion is far more important within an e-sports context - I get paid the same if tens of thousands see it or dozens do.

Those saying I could have explored further are absolutely right. There are numerous other examples. I could have added another 1000 words on to it and then endured TL:DR posts because that would have pushed it over 3000 words but in the end the opinion that is central to the piece is ultimately more important than the specific examples.

Thanks to everyone for reading and as I said my column is a specific type of writing. I've done plenty of other factual pieces of writing that have required investigating, research and all the other stuff you're saying is lacking from this piece. That type of writing isn't really what a column is about and I hope people can understand that distinction.



saying "I come off as an asshole, because I always come off as an asshole, when I write these columns" wont make anyone who is unhappy about the tone it was written in go
"Oh so he is always an asshole, and its on purpose.... nvm then I love it"

but I understand that you want to clarify, that these columns are always written from the perspective of an asshole, but the rest of your work usually is not from that same perspective.

TLDR:
I'm allowed to write articles/pieces in this column, from the perspective of an asshole, because its the longest running column in esports. Its been going on for 6 years now. But please do not let this lead you to the fact, that all of my pieces are written in this perspective.


I guess I should be thankful at least I'm clarifying the tone of a column and not actually what a column is as I often have to do within the Counter-Strike community.

The last relevant factual piece I wrote was about mTw shutting down. I broke that story.- http://www.cadred.org/News/Article/191506/

Hopefully people can see the differences in tone between the two. Same guy writing it, just different articles designed to achieve different things.


I get it. I write shit as an asshole all the time. =) sometimes it just makes u feel better.


So honest you can't argue with him.

Still not the impressed with the original piece however. It seems to be written with the purpose to get page views due to community "outrage".
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23579 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-02 00:34:13
May 02 2013 00:33 GMT
#157
Wow, after reading this my first impression is something like "Richard Lewis seems like a terrible person". It's not my job to look up more works of him to judge if he is actually a good journalist, so why should I ever read something of him again after this. Makes me wonder if the drama is worth writing such a negative article. Anyways, some "facts" in the text are flatout wrong (e.g. Root doesn't buy the house, they rent it) and you really only get to read one side of the whole story. Just bad imo.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 02 2013 00:35 GMT
#158
On May 02 2013 09:32 Joedaddy wrote:
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On May 02 2013 07:24 Waxangel wrote:
On May 02 2013 06:16 cybertopo wrote:
On May 02 2013 03:58 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Richard Lewis likes to create controversy. He does write legit pieces from time to time but he stoops to Kotaku levels of nerd-baiting a little bit too much for my liking.


OH THE IRONY


Even if your assumption that TotalBiscuit does similar things to Richard Lewis is true, wouldn't that technically be hypocracy, and not irony? English majors help me out here.


Wax I love you, but have you ever missed an opportunity to defend biscut? I can't remember a negative post about TB where your name didn't show up to defense the guy.

I don't understand why this guy has such a problem with ROOT asking for donations. People like to support things they care about, and that's ok.


I think he is defending the English language more than TB. Though, TB is British, the people who created the English language...and does seem to us it correctly more often than not.

Hold on folks, we might be on to something here. However, it may not be the bias we were all expecting.
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May 02 2013 00:40 GMT
#159
People criticize Slasher a lot but when you compare it to this you realize that e-sports journalism is a far from what it should be and that there are only a few good journalists in the scene.
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Canada14127 Posts
May 02 2013 00:44 GMT
#160
So...

Richard Lewis writes a smear job, gets a topic opened about him, gets his character and his writing smeared, feels the need to show up on the forum and defend his own smear job while saying the smear job on him is not accurate.
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