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KAmaKAsa
Finland210 Posts
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gaymon
Germany1023 Posts
On May 04 2013 19:04 TRaFFiC wrote: eh, what data would you use to measure popularity? I would say stream numbers is a good place to start. Demu streamed nearly 8 hours a day last month while he had more numbers than anyone else on twitch (for sc2). I would say at the moment he's very popular. to break it down: Demuslim Has had good stream numbers for a few months, but its just the hardcore fans who know him (people who watch personal streams are already "hardcore") Huk Most popular/well known foreigner for the first half of WoL Most seasons in CodeS as a foreigner 2 MLG titles, only foreigner to win an MLG with many koreans If you ask ANY person on the street whether he knows a starcraft player he will either say IDRA or HUK (If he knows one) | ||
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TRaFFiC
Canada1448 Posts
On May 04 2013 19:21 gaymon wrote: to break it down: Demuslim Has had good stream numbers for a few months, but its just the hardcore fans who know him (people who watch personal streams are already "hardcore") Huk Most popular/well known foreigner for the first half of WoL Most seasons in CodeS as a foreigner 2 MLG titles, only foreigner to win an MLG with many koreans If you ask ANY person on the street whether he knows a starcraft player he will either say IDRA or HUK (If he knows one) There should be a distinction made between now and the past. I'm an avid twitch watcher and I haven't seen huk stream in ages. I also can't remember the last time he won something. This game is constantly changing. Being a legend once upon a time won't make you a legend forever. Just ask MVP. How fast were his 5 gsl victories forgotten? Idra on the other hand is a special case. His fan following has not changed since the start. A remarkable feat if you consider he enjoyed his biggest victories at the beginning of wol. Who knows what people on the street would say? I would say demu. So, do the study and get back to us with the numbers. | ||
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Toplicane
Germany25 Posts
On May 02 2013 04:00 Benjamin99 wrote: Actually he do got a point. Is it morally and ethical correctly for a professional esport organisation to ask the fans for money? I don't know but its defiantly a point to be made Ask St. Pauli about that (professional football team in Germany that needed funding from fans to survive). | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On May 04 2013 19:29 TRaFFiC wrote: There should be a distinction made between now and the past. I'm an avid twitch watcher and I haven't seen huk stream in ages. I also can't remember the last time he won something. This game is constantly changing. Being a legend once upon a time won't make you a legend forever. Just ask MVP. How fast were his 5 gsl victories forgotten? what. im gonna go with, not yet. On May 04 2013 19:20 KAmaKAsa wrote: I don't understand why everyone is so upset if an upcoming team has a fundraiser to help them participate in more events and have a better practice enviorement and such. It's fucking ridicolous how the SC community can get so whiny about silly things such as this. It's not like they stole the money, people gave it to them so what the fuck is the problem? from my PoV they can do whatever they want, people can donate if they want etc. my only problem is that i dont know how likely it is for the gaming house to continue, if the funding is crowd sourced. now maybe its the case that catz has secured enough funding from sponsors to keep the house going, it was just the high original outlay he couldnt cover, and thats fine. but its not unfair, from an outsider perspective, to question the likelyhood of a charity case to be a long term venture. im not saying this needs an article written about it, its just a fair question. On May 04 2013 15:40 Kennigit wrote: I'm just gob smacked. Yesterday some guys on reddit were explaining how kespa was basically a players union. The astounding level of ignorance required to make a statement like this is just baffling. Now im arguing with someone that demuslim, because he gets 8k stream viewers from hardcore sc2 fans is more popular than idra or huk or hero worldwide. And its not even based on any data....its just "im pretty sure because his stream is good that he's the most popular". i think somebody is getting a stressball for christmas this year. | ||
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QuackPocketDuck
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TRaFFiC
Canada1448 Posts
And yet if you follow the gsl, flash, innovation, byun....and others get all the hype. And not one of them has even 1 gsl title. If mvp doesn't requalify he might be forgotten forever and when Flash wins 1 gsl everyone will be chanting his name. Hero today. Nobody tomorrow. | ||
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GaNgStaRR.ElV
Canada535 Posts
On May 04 2013 20:10 TRaFFiC wrote: And yet if you follow the gsl, flash, innovation, byun....and others get all the hype. And not one of them has even 1 gsl title. If mvp doesn't requalify he might be forgotten forever and when Flash wins 1 gsl everyone will be chanting his name. Hero today. Nobody tomorrow. You do realize MVP is playing in WCS EU not KR? And that he already progressed to Ro16? Definately not forgotten, it's just got to the point where his wrists do not let him keep up enough to finish off his 5th GSL(whoever said he has 5 already is thick). There's a difference between falling off your prime due to injury and pretty much dissapearing from the SC2 scene as a whole(sadly HuK has done the latter, 1-2 in Proleague, fell out of GSL again, don't remember the last time I saw him in the top8 at MLG, maybe Providence last year?) | ||
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Exempt.
United States470 Posts
On May 04 2013 15:40 Kennigit wrote: I'm just gob smacked. Yesterday some guys on reddit were explaining how kespa was basically a players union. The astounding level of ignorance required to make a statement like this is just baffling. Now im arguing with someone that demuslim, because he gets 8k stream viewers from hardcore sc2 fans is more popular than idra or huk or hero worldwide. And its not even based on any data....its just "im pretty sure because his stream is good that he's the most popular". Are you fucking joking? I used a means of data to support my claim. You didn't. Streams aren't relateable to hardcore fans. Only hardcore fans support Huk and his achievements from years ago. The casual fans (aka larger viewerbase) follow STREAMS. Talking about the level of ignorance, yet you just listed like 8 players and then threw Demuslim under the bus for no real reason at all when it didn't even support your point. Settle down dude I was just defending an up and coming player who fucking deserves it. | ||
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MoreFaSho
United States1427 Posts
On May 04 2013 15:40 Kennigit wrote: I'm just gob smacked. Yesterday some guys on reddit were explaining how kespa was basically a players union. The astounding level of ignorance required to make a statement like this is just baffling. Now im arguing with someone that demuslim, because he gets 8k stream viewers from hardcore sc2 fans is more popular than idra or huk or hero worldwide. And its not even based on any data....its just "im pretty sure because his stream is good that he's the most popular". Must be why teams are jumping all over the chance to give Dragon a 6 figure salary. /sarcasm | ||
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grs
Germany2339 Posts
On May 05 2013 08:50 Exempt. wrote: Are you fucking joking? I used a means of data to support my claim. You didn't. Streams aren't relateable to hardcore fans. Only hardcore fans support Huk and his achievements from years ago. The casual fans (aka larger viewerbase) follow STREAMS. Talking about the level of ignorance, yet you just listed like 8 players and then threw Demuslim under the bus for no real reason at all when it didn't even support your point. Settle down dude I was just defending an up and coming player who fucking deserves it. Second time this week I read Demuslim as an "up and coming player". Please do him some justice, he has been around and successful for a long time. You might argue that he even had more successful times in the past. | ||
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
On May 05 2013 08:50 Exempt. wrote: Are you fucking joking? I used a means of data to support my claim. You didn't. Streams aren't relateable to hardcore fans. Only hardcore fans support Huk and his achievements from years ago. The casual fans (aka larger viewerbase) follow STREAMS. Talking about the level of ignorance, yet you just listed like 8 players and then threw Demuslim under the bus for no real reason at all when it didn't even support your point. Settle down dude I was just defending an up and coming player who fucking deserves it. How do you know what kind of people watch a stream? High stream numbers and not directly correlative to popularity in any case. I can pick and choose players that get high numbers when they stream but are clearly not as popular worldwide as others. And he's hardly an up and coming player, not sure where you get that from. | ||
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Diddywhop
United States42 Posts
On May 07 2013 00:21 grs wrote: Second time this week I read Demuslim as an "up and coming player". Please do him some justice, he has been around and successful for a long time. You might argue that he even had more successful times in the past. I agree with this gentlemen. Demuslim an up and coming player? No way. He might be about to bloom with his skills in HOTS, still to be determined. As far as the foreign scene is concerned, Demuslim has been a contender for a while. I don't really see anything 'up and coming' about Demuslim that hasn't been there for at least a year and a half. On a side note, I love Demuslim. Hes probably the only part of EG I enjoy, other than Stephano and Incontrol. He seems to be at the peak of his game in my eyes and hes more humble about the game than ever. I'm really rooting for him this year. | ||
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schaf
Germany1326 Posts
On May 07 2013 00:22 nihlon wrote: How do you know what kind of people watch a stream? High stream numbers and not directly correlative to popularity in any case. I can pick and choose players that get high numbers when they stream but are clearly not as popular worldwide as others. And he's hardly an up and coming player, not sure where you get that from. then... do it? I don't know why everyone is in a bitchfight about popularity and what kind of people watch streams. It seems rather silly to me to try and break down the fanbase ob people into 'hardcore's and 'casual's. It's a lot more complicated than that and in the end it is not relevant to this topic (ROOT gaming house, remember?). | ||
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yrt123
Singapore1246 Posts
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Cereb
Denmark3388 Posts
That's literally the "weight" that this blog carries. So uninteresting. | ||
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
On May 07 2013 23:30 schaf wrote: then... do it? I don't know why everyone is in a bitchfight about popularity and what kind of people watch streams. It seems rather silly to me to try and break down the fanbase ob people into 'hardcore's and 'casual's. It's a lot more complicated than that and in the end it is not relevant to this topic (ROOT gaming house, remember?). Why would I do it? The statement is self-explanatory. And I'm not dividing anyone, he was. I simply pointed out there's no way he can tell what people watches ones stream, whatever you want to call them and that stream viewers and not directly correlative to overall popularity. As you say yourself there's a lot of factors to consider. Now why don't you take your own advice and respond to a relevant post instead of me. | ||
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esdf
Croatia736 Posts
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United States7081 Posts
Or do they at least have weekly, bi-weekly, or monthly updates planned where we can follow their progress? | ||
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MaeStrO.OrtSeaM
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Same goes with how he deals with people. Especially on the tek-9 website, he insults the users there, even on twitter, but if you say one word about him, doesn't even have to be insulting, just stating facts, you end up getting banned and if he's in the mood he pm's you first, insulting you, trying to belittle you etc.. then he bans you so you can't speak up anymore.. A serious lack of professionalism. I was asked to write for the new website/merger between tek-9 and whatever other website(s) involved but I declined, because that would mean I'd have to work with the likes of him, and he doesn't deserve anyone remotely productive/professional to be writing for/under him. The guy should really step away from e-sports. He's got a degree in journalism, so it's obvious what he should do, instead of acting like a child everywhere he goes within e-sports. | ||
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