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KAmaKAsa
Profile Joined July 2011
Finland210 Posts
May 04 2013 10:20 GMT
#321
I don't understand why everyone is so upset if an upcoming team has a fundraiser to help them participate in more events and have a better practice enviorement and such. It's fucking ridicolous how the SC community can get so whiny about silly things such as this. It's not like they stole the money, people gave it to them so what the fuck is the problem?
gaymon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany1023 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-04 10:21:44
May 04 2013 10:21 GMT
#322
On May 04 2013 19:04 TRaFFiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 15:40 Kennigit wrote:
On May 04 2013 15:28 zachMEISTER wrote:
Kennigit up in arms.

I'm just gob smacked. Yesterday some guys on reddit were explaining how kespa was basically a players union. The astounding level of ignorance required to make a statement like this is just baffling. Now im arguing with someone that demuslim, because he gets 8k stream viewers from hardcore sc2 fans is more popular than idra or huk or hero worldwide. And its not even based on any data....its just "im pretty sure because his stream is good that he's the most popular".

eh, what data would you use to measure popularity? I would say stream numbers is a good place to start. Demu streamed nearly 8 hours a day last month while he had more numbers than anyone else on twitch (for sc2). I would say at the moment he's very popular.

to break it down:

Demuslim
Has had good stream numbers for a few months, but its just the hardcore fans who know him (people who watch personal streams are already "hardcore")

Huk
Most popular/well known foreigner for the first half of WoL
Most seasons in CodeS as a foreigner
2 MLG titles, only foreigner to win an MLG with many koreans
If you ask ANY person on the street whether he knows a starcraft player he will either say IDRA or HUK (If he knows one)
TRaFFiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1448 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-04 10:34:00
May 04 2013 10:29 GMT
#323
On May 04 2013 19:21 gaymon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 19:04 TRaFFiC wrote:
On May 04 2013 15:40 Kennigit wrote:
On May 04 2013 15:28 zachMEISTER wrote:
Kennigit up in arms.

I'm just gob smacked. Yesterday some guys on reddit were explaining how kespa was basically a players union. The astounding level of ignorance required to make a statement like this is just baffling. Now im arguing with someone that demuslim, because he gets 8k stream viewers from hardcore sc2 fans is more popular than idra or huk or hero worldwide. And its not even based on any data....its just "im pretty sure because his stream is good that he's the most popular".

eh, what data would you use to measure popularity? I would say stream numbers is a good place to start. Demu streamed nearly 8 hours a day last month while he had more numbers than anyone else on twitch (for sc2). I would say at the moment he's very popular.

to break it down:

Demuslim
Has had good stream numbers for a few months, but its just the hardcore fans who know him (people who watch personal streams are already "hardcore")

Huk
Most popular/well known foreigner for the first half of WoL
Most seasons in CodeS as a foreigner
2 MLG titles, only foreigner to win an MLG with many koreans
If you ask ANY person on the street whether he knows a starcraft player he will either say IDRA or HUK (If he knows one)

There should be a distinction made between now and the past. I'm an avid twitch watcher and I haven't seen huk stream in ages. I also can't remember the last time he won something. This game is constantly changing. Being a legend once upon a time won't make you a legend forever. Just ask MVP. How fast were his 5 gsl victories forgotten?

Idra on the other hand is a special case. His fan following has not changed since the start. A remarkable feat if you consider he enjoyed his biggest victories at the beginning of wol.

Who knows what people on the street would say? I would say demu. So, do the study and get back to us with the numbers.
2v2, 1v1, Zerg, Terran http://www.twitch.tv/trafficsc2
Toplicane
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany25 Posts
May 04 2013 10:50 GMT
#324
On May 02 2013 04:00 Benjamin99 wrote:
Actually he do got a point. Is it morally and ethical correctly for a professional esport organisation to ask the fans for money? I don't know but its defiantly a point to be made

Ask St. Pauli about that (professional football team in Germany that needed funding from fans to survive).
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-04 10:57:52
May 04 2013 10:53 GMT
#325
On May 04 2013 19:29 TRaFFiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 19:21 gaymon wrote:
On May 04 2013 19:04 TRaFFiC wrote:
On May 04 2013 15:40 Kennigit wrote:
On May 04 2013 15:28 zachMEISTER wrote:
Kennigit up in arms.

I'm just gob smacked. Yesterday some guys on reddit were explaining how kespa was basically a players union. The astounding level of ignorance required to make a statement like this is just baffling. Now im arguing with someone that demuslim, because he gets 8k stream viewers from hardcore sc2 fans is more popular than idra or huk or hero worldwide. And its not even based on any data....its just "im pretty sure because his stream is good that he's the most popular".

eh, what data would you use to measure popularity? I would say stream numbers is a good place to start. Demu streamed nearly 8 hours a day last month while he had more numbers than anyone else on twitch (for sc2). I would say at the moment he's very popular.

to break it down:

Demuslim
Has had good stream numbers for a few months, but its just the hardcore fans who know him (people who watch personal streams are already "hardcore")

Huk
Most popular/well known foreigner for the first half of WoL
Most seasons in CodeS as a foreigner
2 MLG titles, only foreigner to win an MLG with many koreans
If you ask ANY person on the street whether he knows a starcraft player he will either say IDRA or HUK (If he knows one)

There should be a distinction made between now and the past. I'm an avid twitch watcher and I haven't seen huk stream in ages. I also can't remember the last time he won something. This game is constantly changing. Being a legend once upon a time won't make you a legend forever. Just ask MVP. How fast were his 5 gsl victories forgotten?



what. im gonna go with, not yet.

On May 04 2013 19:20 KAmaKAsa wrote:
I don't understand why everyone is so upset if an upcoming team has a fundraiser to help them participate in more events and have a better practice enviorement and such. It's fucking ridicolous how the SC community can get so whiny about silly things such as this. It's not like they stole the money, people gave it to them so what the fuck is the problem?


from my PoV they can do whatever they want, people can donate if they want etc. my only problem is that i dont know how likely it is for the gaming house to continue, if the funding is crowd sourced. now maybe its the case that catz has secured enough funding from sponsors to keep the house going, it was just the high original outlay he couldnt cover, and thats fine. but its not unfair, from an outsider perspective, to question the likelyhood of a charity case to be a long term venture.

im not saying this needs an article written about it, its just a fair question.

On May 04 2013 15:40 Kennigit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 15:28 zachMEISTER wrote:
Kennigit up in arms.

I'm just gob smacked. Yesterday some guys on reddit were explaining how kespa was basically a players union. The astounding level of ignorance required to make a statement like this is just baffling. Now im arguing with someone that demuslim, because he gets 8k stream viewers from hardcore sc2 fans is more popular than idra or huk or hero worldwide. And its not even based on any data....its just "im pretty sure because his stream is good that he's the most popular".


i think somebody is getting a stressball for christmas this year.
QuackPocketDuck
Profile Joined January 2011
410 Posts
May 04 2013 10:57 GMT
#326
Somebody should make a Huk vs Demuslim thread!
I bought a pack of cigarettes for $20, What have you done for your country today?
TRaFFiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1448 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-04 11:11:39
May 04 2013 11:10 GMT
#327
On May 04 2013 19:53 turdburgler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 19:29 TRaFFiC wrote:
On May 04 2013 19:21 gaymon wrote:
On May 04 2013 19:04 TRaFFiC wrote:
On May 04 2013 15:40 Kennigit wrote:
On May 04 2013 15:28 zachMEISTER wrote:
Kennigit up in arms.

I'm just gob smacked. Yesterday some guys on reddit were explaining how kespa was basically a players union. The astounding level of ignorance required to make a statement like this is just baffling. Now im arguing with someone that demuslim, because he gets 8k stream viewers from hardcore sc2 fans is more popular than idra or huk or hero worldwide. And its not even based on any data....its just "im pretty sure because his stream is good that he's the most popular".

eh, what data would you use to measure popularity? I would say stream numbers is a good place to start. Demu streamed nearly 8 hours a day last month while he had more numbers than anyone else on twitch (for sc2). I would say at the moment he's very popular.

to break it down:

Demuslim
Has had good stream numbers for a few months, but its just the hardcore fans who know him (people who watch personal streams are already "hardcore")

Huk
Most popular/well known foreigner for the first half of WoL
Most seasons in CodeS as a foreigner
2 MLG titles, only foreigner to win an MLG with many koreans
If you ask ANY person on the street whether he knows a starcraft player he will either say IDRA or HUK (If he knows one)

There should be a distinction made between now and the past. I'm an avid twitch watcher and I haven't seen huk stream in ages. I also can't remember the last time he won something. This game is constantly changing. Being a legend once upon a time won't make you a legend forever. Just ask MVP. How fast were his 5 gsl victories forgotten?



what. im gonna go with, not yet.



And yet if you follow the gsl, flash, innovation, byun....and others get all the hype. And not one of them has even 1 gsl title. If mvp doesn't requalify he might be forgotten forever and when Flash wins 1 gsl everyone will be chanting his name. Hero today. Nobody tomorrow.
2v2, 1v1, Zerg, Terran http://www.twitch.tv/trafficsc2
GaNgStaRR.ElV
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada535 Posts
May 04 2013 16:00 GMT
#328
On May 04 2013 20:10 TRaFFiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 19:53 turdburgler wrote:
On May 04 2013 19:29 TRaFFiC wrote:
On May 04 2013 19:21 gaymon wrote:
On May 04 2013 19:04 TRaFFiC wrote:
On May 04 2013 15:40 Kennigit wrote:
On May 04 2013 15:28 zachMEISTER wrote:
Kennigit up in arms.

I'm just gob smacked. Yesterday some guys on reddit were explaining how kespa was basically a players union. The astounding level of ignorance required to make a statement like this is just baffling. Now im arguing with someone that demuslim, because he gets 8k stream viewers from hardcore sc2 fans is more popular than idra or huk or hero worldwide. And its not even based on any data....its just "im pretty sure because his stream is good that he's the most popular".

eh, what data would you use to measure popularity? I would say stream numbers is a good place to start. Demu streamed nearly 8 hours a day last month while he had more numbers than anyone else on twitch (for sc2). I would say at the moment he's very popular.

to break it down:

Demuslim
Has had good stream numbers for a few months, but its just the hardcore fans who know him (people who watch personal streams are already "hardcore")

Huk
Most popular/well known foreigner for the first half of WoL
Most seasons in CodeS as a foreigner
2 MLG titles, only foreigner to win an MLG with many koreans
If you ask ANY person on the street whether he knows a starcraft player he will either say IDRA or HUK (If he knows one)

There should be a distinction made between now and the past. I'm an avid twitch watcher and I haven't seen huk stream in ages. I also can't remember the last time he won something. This game is constantly changing. Being a legend once upon a time won't make you a legend forever. Just ask MVP. How fast were his 5 gsl victories forgotten?



what. im gonna go with, not yet.



And yet if you follow the gsl, flash, innovation, byun....and others get all the hype. And not one of them has even 1 gsl title. If mvp doesn't requalify he might be forgotten forever and when Flash wins 1 gsl everyone will be chanting his name. Hero today. Nobody tomorrow.


You do realize MVP is playing in WCS EU not KR? And that he already progressed to Ro16?
Definately not forgotten, it's just got to the point where his wrists do not let him keep up enough to finish off his 5th GSL(whoever said he has 5 already is thick).
There's a difference between falling off your prime due to injury and pretty much dissapearing from the SC2 scene as a whole(sadly HuK has done the latter, 1-2 in Proleague, fell out of GSL again, don't remember the last time I saw him in the top8 at MLG, maybe Providence last year?)
Exempt.
Profile Joined May 2011
United States470 Posts
May 04 2013 23:50 GMT
#329
On May 04 2013 15:40 Kennigit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 15:28 zachMEISTER wrote:
Kennigit up in arms.

I'm just gob smacked. Yesterday some guys on reddit were explaining how kespa was basically a players union. The astounding level of ignorance required to make a statement like this is just baffling. Now im arguing with someone that demuslim, because he gets 8k stream viewers from hardcore sc2 fans is more popular than idra or huk or hero worldwide. And its not even based on any data....its just "im pretty sure because his stream is good that he's the most popular".


Are you fucking joking? I used a means of data to support my claim. You didn't. Streams aren't relateable to hardcore fans. Only hardcore fans support Huk and his achievements from years ago. The casual fans (aka larger viewerbase) follow STREAMS.

Talking about the level of ignorance, yet you just listed like 8 players and then threw Demuslim under the bus for no real reason at all when it didn't even support your point.

Settle down dude I was just defending an up and coming player who fucking deserves it.
MoreFaSho
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1427 Posts
May 06 2013 15:14 GMT
#330
On May 04 2013 15:40 Kennigit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 15:28 zachMEISTER wrote:
Kennigit up in arms.

I'm just gob smacked. Yesterday some guys on reddit were explaining how kespa was basically a players union. The astounding level of ignorance required to make a statement like this is just baffling. Now im arguing with someone that demuslim, because he gets 8k stream viewers from hardcore sc2 fans is more popular than idra or huk or hero worldwide. And its not even based on any data....its just "im pretty sure because his stream is good that he's the most popular".

Must be why teams are jumping all over the chance to give Dragon a 6 figure salary.
/sarcasm
I always try to shield slam face, just to make sure it doesnt work
grs
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany2339 Posts
May 06 2013 15:21 GMT
#331
On May 05 2013 08:50 Exempt. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 15:40 Kennigit wrote:
On May 04 2013 15:28 zachMEISTER wrote:
Kennigit up in arms.

I'm just gob smacked. Yesterday some guys on reddit were explaining how kespa was basically a players union. The astounding level of ignorance required to make a statement like this is just baffling. Now im arguing with someone that demuslim, because he gets 8k stream viewers from hardcore sc2 fans is more popular than idra or huk or hero worldwide. And its not even based on any data....its just "im pretty sure because his stream is good that he's the most popular".


Are you fucking joking? I used a means of data to support my claim. You didn't. Streams aren't relateable to hardcore fans. Only hardcore fans support Huk and his achievements from years ago. The casual fans (aka larger viewerbase) follow STREAMS.

Talking about the level of ignorance, yet you just listed like 8 players and then threw Demuslim under the bus for no real reason at all when it didn't even support your point.

Settle down dude I was just defending an up and coming player who fucking deserves it.

Second time this week I read Demuslim as an "up and coming player". Please do him some justice, he has been around and successful for a long time. You might argue that he even had more successful times in the past.
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-06 15:22:32
May 06 2013 15:22 GMT
#332
On May 05 2013 08:50 Exempt. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 04 2013 15:40 Kennigit wrote:
On May 04 2013 15:28 zachMEISTER wrote:
Kennigit up in arms.

I'm just gob smacked. Yesterday some guys on reddit were explaining how kespa was basically a players union. The astounding level of ignorance required to make a statement like this is just baffling. Now im arguing with someone that demuslim, because he gets 8k stream viewers from hardcore sc2 fans is more popular than idra or huk or hero worldwide. And its not even based on any data....its just "im pretty sure because his stream is good that he's the most popular".


Are you fucking joking? I used a means of data to support my claim. You didn't. Streams aren't relateable to hardcore fans. Only hardcore fans support Huk and his achievements from years ago. The casual fans (aka larger viewerbase) follow STREAMS.

Talking about the level of ignorance, yet you just listed like 8 players and then threw Demuslim under the bus for no real reason at all when it didn't even support your point.

Settle down dude I was just defending an up and coming player who fucking deserves it.

How do you know what kind of people watch a stream? High stream numbers and not directly correlative to popularity in any case. I can pick and choose players that get high numbers when they stream but are clearly not as popular worldwide as others. And he's hardly an up and coming player, not sure where you get that from.
Banelings are too cute to blow up
Diddywhop
Profile Joined March 2013
United States42 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-07 14:20:08
May 07 2013 14:14 GMT
#333
On May 07 2013 00:21 grs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2013 08:50 Exempt. wrote:
On May 04 2013 15:40 Kennigit wrote:
On May 04 2013 15:28 zachMEISTER wrote:
Kennigit up in arms.

I'm just gob smacked. Yesterday some guys on reddit were explaining how kespa was basically a players union. The astounding level of ignorance required to make a statement like this is just baffling. Now im arguing with someone that demuslim, because he gets 8k stream viewers from hardcore sc2 fans is more popular than idra or huk or hero worldwide. And its not even based on any data....its just "im pretty sure because his stream is good that he's the most popular".


Are you fucking joking? I used a means of data to support my claim. You didn't. Streams aren't relateable to hardcore fans. Only hardcore fans support Huk and his achievements from years ago. The casual fans (aka larger viewerbase) follow STREAMS.

Talking about the level of ignorance, yet you just listed like 8 players and then threw Demuslim under the bus for no real reason at all when it didn't even support your point.

Settle down dude I was just defending an up and coming player who fucking deserves it.

Second time this week I read Demuslim as an "up and coming player". Please do him some justice, he has been around and successful for a long time. You might argue that he even had more successful times in the past.


I agree with this gentlemen. Demuslim an up and coming player? No way. He might be about to bloom with his skills in HOTS, still to be determined. As far as the foreign scene is concerned, Demuslim has been a contender for a while. I don't really see anything 'up and coming' about Demuslim that hasn't been there for at least a year and a half.

On a side note, I love Demuslim. Hes probably the only part of EG I enjoy, other than Stephano and Incontrol. He seems to be at the peak of his game in my eyes and hes more humble about the game than ever. I'm really rooting for him this year.
schaf
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1326 Posts
May 07 2013 14:30 GMT
#334
On May 07 2013 00:22 nihlon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2013 08:50 Exempt. wrote:
On May 04 2013 15:40 Kennigit wrote:
On May 04 2013 15:28 zachMEISTER wrote:
Kennigit up in arms.

I'm just gob smacked. Yesterday some guys on reddit were explaining how kespa was basically a players union. The astounding level of ignorance required to make a statement like this is just baffling. Now im arguing with someone that demuslim, because he gets 8k stream viewers from hardcore sc2 fans is more popular than idra or huk or hero worldwide. And its not even based on any data....its just "im pretty sure because his stream is good that he's the most popular".


Are you fucking joking? I used a means of data to support my claim. You didn't. Streams aren't relateable to hardcore fans. Only hardcore fans support Huk and his achievements from years ago. The casual fans (aka larger viewerbase) follow STREAMS.

Talking about the level of ignorance, yet you just listed like 8 players and then threw Demuslim under the bus for no real reason at all when it didn't even support your point.

Settle down dude I was just defending an up and coming player who fucking deserves it.

How do you know what kind of people watch a stream? High stream numbers and not directly correlative to popularity in any case. I can pick and choose players that get high numbers when they stream but are clearly not as popular worldwide as others. And he's hardly an up and coming player, not sure where you get that from.


then... do it? I don't know why everyone is in a bitchfight about popularity and what kind of people watch streams. It seems rather silly to me to try and break down the fanbase ob people into 'hardcore's and 'casual's. It's a lot more complicated than that and in the end it is not relevant to this topic (ROOT gaming house, remember?).
Axiom wins more than it loses. Most viewers don't. - <3 TB
yrt123
Profile Joined October 2012
Singapore1246 Posts
May 07 2013 15:09 GMT
#335
Hm so I got into this thread about Richard Lewis and his crap and see people arguing about popularity and streams and stuff.

Cereb
Profile Joined November 2011
Denmark3388 Posts
May 07 2013 16:47 GMT
#336
This thread should be rename "A guy on the internet has an opinion on things"


That's literally the "weight" that this blog carries.


So uninteresting.
"Until the very very top in almost anything, all that matters is how much work you put in. The only problem is most people can't work hard even at things they do enjoy, much less things they don't have a real passion for. -Greg "IdrA" Fields
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-07 17:28:53
May 07 2013 17:27 GMT
#337
On May 07 2013 23:30 schaf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2013 00:22 nihlon wrote:
On May 05 2013 08:50 Exempt. wrote:
On May 04 2013 15:40 Kennigit wrote:
On May 04 2013 15:28 zachMEISTER wrote:
Kennigit up in arms.

I'm just gob smacked. Yesterday some guys on reddit were explaining how kespa was basically a players union. The astounding level of ignorance required to make a statement like this is just baffling. Now im arguing with someone that demuslim, because he gets 8k stream viewers from hardcore sc2 fans is more popular than idra or huk or hero worldwide. And its not even based on any data....its just "im pretty sure because his stream is good that he's the most popular".


Are you fucking joking? I used a means of data to support my claim. You didn't. Streams aren't relateable to hardcore fans. Only hardcore fans support Huk and his achievements from years ago. The casual fans (aka larger viewerbase) follow STREAMS.

Talking about the level of ignorance, yet you just listed like 8 players and then threw Demuslim under the bus for no real reason at all when it didn't even support your point.

Settle down dude I was just defending an up and coming player who fucking deserves it.

How do you know what kind of people watch a stream? High stream numbers and not directly correlative to popularity in any case. I can pick and choose players that get high numbers when they stream but are clearly not as popular worldwide as others. And he's hardly an up and coming player, not sure where you get that from.


then... do it? I don't know why everyone is in a bitchfight about popularity and what kind of people watch streams. It seems rather silly to me to try and break down the fanbase ob people into 'hardcore's and 'casual's. It's a lot more complicated than that and in the end it is not relevant to this topic (ROOT gaming house, remember?).

Why would I do it? The statement is self-explanatory. And I'm not dividing anyone, he was. I simply pointed out there's no way he can tell what people watches ones stream, whatever you want to call them and that stream viewers and not directly correlative to overall popularity. As you say yourself there's a lot of factors to consider.

Now why don't you take your own advice and respond to a relevant post instead of me.
Banelings are too cute to blow up
esdf
Profile Joined December 2012
Croatia736 Posts
May 07 2013 20:22 GMT
#338
i find it more then disturbing that aL is looking to kickstart their house campaign in the same way now...
why do you not believe it? the legend has alived!
-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
May 07 2013 20:38 GMT
#339
Has Root released a schedule for when they will acquire the house, move in, and start producing content? Obviously setting up will take a substantial amount of time, but is there a timetable?

Or do they at least have weekly, bi-weekly, or monthly updates planned where we can follow their progress?
MaeStrO.OrtSeaM
Profile Joined May 2013
13 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-08 18:29:32
May 08 2013 18:21 GMT
#340
For someone with a degree in journalism, I'd expect at least something productive when he decides to write, but I guess Richard isn't professional enough to keep personal feelings and opinions out of his work..

Same goes with how he deals with people. Especially on the tek-9 website, he insults the users there, even on twitter, but if you say one word about him, doesn't even have to be insulting, just stating facts, you end up getting banned and if he's in the mood he pm's you first, insulting you, trying to belittle you etc.. then he bans you so you can't speak up anymore.. A serious lack of professionalism.

I was asked to write for the new website/merger between tek-9 and whatever other website(s) involved but I declined, because that would mean I'd have to work with the likes of him, and he doesn't deserve anyone remotely productive/professional to be writing for/under him.

The guy should really step away from e-sports. He's got a degree in journalism, so it's obvious what he should do, instead of acting like a child everywhere he goes within e-sports.
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