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On May 02 2013 04:12 synd wrote:He has a point but no one from community will ever try to think about it since CatZ is so much liked by the community. Just the fact that we already have a 2nd project like that in less than a week -> http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/al-gaming-house is a joke itself. People shouldn't be allowed to abuse the community so much. It's the same as nowdays' Kickstarter trend to ask people for money to make a game that you have to buy afterwards. Totally wtf
If organizations asking for money amounts to abuse, than I think there are million better places to start pointing fingers.
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Wow somehow i totaly agree on this point. I dont really like the way it is presented but the point is valid and i dont think Root really thought that through
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Richard Lewis would have a point if he fucking drew more examples from both sides of the tale. You have BeyondTheSummit who wanted to do something of a studio and was raised by fans of the scene and the people part of BTS.
You have other kickstarters, ones that failed and others that are about documentaries. He could have talked about TL's approach towards a "make first, pay what you want for its worth later" and how that should be more optimal when catering to the charitable side of communities and E-Sports.
But instead, he gripped his anger at ROOT, bled his hand on a thorn so he could scrawl a veil of an actual issue to just perpetuating issues and holes with ROOT's fundraiser (which there are a few problems, but there are examples also imitating similarly before ROOT).
Could have went from general to specifics to an overlying general point of how this scene is built (from the bottom and at the top). But it feels more like setting the stage of a general issue and then making ROOT the prime suspect.
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I thought that money was returned to funders or not withdrawn at all if an indiegogo/kickstarter didn't reach its goal?
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Didn't Richard Lewis have a rage enema against Catz before? It was pretty clear he'd eventually write a buttfrustrated blog post about it thinly disguised as a news article.
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On May 02 2013 04:16 Glurkenspurk wrote:
Didn't Richard Lewis have a rage enema against Catz before? It was pretty clear he'd eventually write a buttfrustrated blog post about it thinly disguised as a news article.
^100% this, even if he isn't hurt still, he could have at least stretch this post out more.
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This dude is like a really annoying rash ignore him and he will go away hopefully sooner rather than later.
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What a douche. No, it's not unethical, it's exactly like a Kickstarter : People give money to help make something happen, not because they feel pity, but because they want that something to happen.
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On May 02 2013 04:16 Torte de Lini wrote:
Richard Lewis would have a point if he fucking drew more examples from both sides of the tale. You have BeyondTheSummit who wanted to do something of a studio and was raised by fans of the scene and the people part of BTS.
You have other kickstarters, ones that failed and others that are about documentaries. He could have talked about TL's approach towards a "make first, pay what you want for its worth later" and how that should be more optimal when catering to the charitable side of communities and E-Sports.
But instead, he gripped his anger at ROOT, bled his hand on a thorn so he could scrawl a veil of an actual issue to just perpetuating issues and holes with ROOT's fundraiser (which there are a few problems, but there are examples also imitating similarly before ROOT).
Could have went from general to specifics to an overlying general point of how this scene is built (from the bottom and at the top). But it feels more like setting the stage of a general issue and then making ROOT the prime suspect.
Psshhhhh, this would require actual journalism! I don't think such a thing can be tolerated.
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On May 02 2013 04:12 synd wrote:He has a point but no one from community will ever try to think about it since CatZ is so much liked by the community. Just the fact that we already have a 2nd project like that in less than a week -> http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/al-gaming-house is a joke itself. People shouldn't be allowed to abuse the community so much. It's the same as nowdays' Kickstarter trend to ask people for money to make a game that you have to buy afterwards. Totally wtf
Every kickstarter I have seen if you pay a certain amount in donations you get the game included + early beta access. It's pretty much an extremely early pre-order if you pay that much. Now if you only donate 5-10$ then yeah you'll have to buy the game. But yeah no you don't donate to a kickstarter and then get nothing in return and if you donate that much money you are getting the game with it.
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People who are so retarded that they donate thousands of dollars for some gaming house, rather than to charity/kids who are starving in Africa, don't deserve to have money anyway.
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You should see that as a good thing. It just shows crowd funding actually works. Fans care and like Root, so they raised their 30K needed. Apparently they don't care at all about AbsoluteLegends, which is why they've barely received any pledges.
People support things they genuinely care about. It's really hard as a scam crowd funding to make people genuinely care about it, which is why most of them fail.
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Crowd-funding is wrong?
Somebody tell everyone on Kickstarter.
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On May 02 2013 04:21 Alexian wrote:You should see that as a good thing. It just shows crowd funding actually works. Fans care and like Root, so they raised their 30K needed. Apparently they don't care at all about AbsoluteLegends, which is why they've barely received any pledges. People support things they genuinely care about. It's really hard as a scam crowd funding to make people genuinely care about it, which is why most of them fail.
It works if you cater to your fans.
ROOT does, despite the skepticism that they're just pandering.
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Richard Lewis deserves all the pitchforks coming his way, judging from his "article".
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root koreya to ti3 #root #gamers
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I thought the article had some merit despite its incendiary tone. Why would you want to give money to what has essentially become a team of gaming "personalities" with no results to speak of in recent memory? ROOT seem like cool dudes but there are far more legitimate/competitive teams I would rather donate cash to.
That is my opinion of course. If you're interested in sponsoring me as a player or TL poster, please shoot me a message.
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why create unnecessary drama? I donated to Root because I support their cause. I've always wanted to support Esports/teams in some way, I love Catz and what he's doing, and am willing to give up a month of Chipotle for that.
Its like a tip jar... or a bake sale... Lets stop acting like ROOT gaming is the LA Lakers. They just offered a medium for people who WANT to donate to do so.
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On May 02 2013 04:22 KanoCoke wrote:
Richard Lewis deserves all the pitchforks coming his way, judging from his "article".
I'm fairly certain that's why he did this. He knows that he will get a lot of hate and a lot of views/attention. It is pathetic that he has to stoop so low to get any attention. Shame on anyone who wants to support something they enjoy, for shame.
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"Hello, I say something people will get upset about. Giev me teh viewerz!! Post on reddit, make me teh viewerz"
Did CatZ tell him to go fuck himself sometime in the past, or what's the real story behind this? Such an aggressive tone surely doesn't come out of nowhere. He seems mad.
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