On April 18 2013 03:44 Canucklehead wrote: This is like tennis paying out the same prize pool for winning a random tennis tournament and winning wimbledon or golf paying the same for a lesser golf tourney and the masters. Makes no sense, other than affirmative action for foreigners and giving them charity money.
There's not affirmative action for foreigners. Everyone is free to enter whatever system they want. Koreans are entering both the NA and EU leagues. In fact, the entire point of this (as said by Blizzard in interviews) is to have the Koreans actually enter the foreign scene and take their infrastructure with them as they move abroad.
There is affirmative action. Koreans aren't free to go where they want, only those on foreigner teams can afford to for the most part.
Not to mention 24 players were seeded directly into the premiere leagues, and the majority of seeds were given to non-koreans. People like hellokitty and maker got seeds over much much better Korean players. If that isn't affirmative action, I don't know what is.
Why do we care what teams and afford can and can't afford? And if we are going to talk about affirmative action, lets talk about the Kespa and ESF only brackets for MLG qualifiers to assure they can bypass the open bracket. And lets make sure they only play against their own group, because it would be unfair if Kespa players were eliminated by ESF players. Because we can't have Flash going through the open bracket like Violet and Polt, that would be to taxing on him.
There is enough BS seeds and special brackets for Korean players in the past for NA leagues. Heave forbid that one NA league provide some level of support for people in their own region.
So is it a free system where anyone can play anywhere they want, or is it a system where NA players are supported, ie affirmative action, which is it?
On April 18 2013 03:44 Canucklehead wrote: This is like tennis paying out the same prize pool for winning a random tennis tournament and winning wimbledon or golf paying the same for a lesser golf tourney and the masters. Makes no sense, other than affirmative action for foreigners and giving them charity money.
There's not affirmative action for foreigners. Everyone is free to enter whatever system they want. Koreans are entering both the NA and EU leagues. In fact, the entire point of this (as said by Blizzard in interviews) is to have the Koreans actually enter the foreign scene and take their infrastructure with them as they move abroad.
There is affirmative action. Koreans aren't free to go where they want, only those on foreigner teams can afford to for the most part.
Not to mention 24 players were seeded directly into the premiere leagues, and the majority of seeds were given to non-koreans. People like hellokitty and maker got seeds over much much better Korean players. If that isn't affirmative action, I don't know what is.
Why do we care what teams and afford can and can't afford? And if we are going to talk about affirmative action, lets talk about the Kespa and ESF only brackets for MLG qualifiers to assure they can bypass the open bracket. And lets make sure they only play against their own group, because it would be unfair if Kespa players were eliminated by ESF players. Because we can't have Flash going through the open bracket like Violet and Polt, that would be to taxing on him.
There is enough BS seeds and special brackets for Korean players in the past for NA leagues. Heave forbid that one NA league provide some level of support for people in their own region.
So is it a free system where anyone can play anywhere they want, or is it a system where NA players are supported, ie affirmative action, which is it?
Its a system meant to support local players and provide them a venue to compete in their region, just like they said. There are open qualifiers after this first, super rushed season any anyone can try out for those. I guess you could see slots for local players as affirmative action if that how you want to view it. But the GSL would have them as well if they were not an already established league full of local players.
On April 18 2013 03:44 Canucklehead wrote: This is like tennis paying out the same prize pool for winning a random tennis tournament and winning wimbledon or golf paying the same for a lesser golf tourney and the masters. Makes no sense, other than affirmative action for foreigners and giving them charity money.
There's not affirmative action for foreigners. Everyone is free to enter whatever system they want. Koreans are entering both the NA and EU leagues. In fact, the entire point of this (as said by Blizzard in interviews) is to have the Koreans actually enter the foreign scene and take their infrastructure with them as they move abroad.
There is affirmative action. Koreans aren't free to go where they want, only those on foreigner teams can afford to for the most part.
Not to mention 24 players were seeded directly into the premiere leagues, and the majority of seeds were given to non-koreans. People like hellokitty and maker got seeds over much much better Korean players. If that isn't affirmative action, I don't know what is.
Why do we care what teams and afford can and can't afford? And if we are going to talk about affirmative action, lets talk about the Kespa and ESF only brackets for MLG qualifiers to assure they can bypass the open bracket. And lets make sure they only play against their own group, because it would be unfair if Kespa players were eliminated by ESF players. Because we can't have Flash going through the open bracket like Violet and Polt, that would be to taxing on him.
There is enough BS seeds and special brackets for Korean players in the past for NA leagues. Heave forbid that one NA league provide some level of support for people in their own region.
So is it a free system where anyone can play anywhere they want, or is it a system where NA players are supported, ie affirmative action, which is it?
Your example of affirmative action is that NA players were seeded into the NA region. How dare they seed NA/EU players into the NA/EU regions ... the Koreans should feel lucky they were even given spots that were CARVED out for them in other regions.
The prize pool is way too low, especially for Korean players, why bother being a Progamer if you don't win enough money. Blizard badly needs to organise more Non-WCS tournements (in the DreamHack or NASL logic) to raise to total prize pool, paybe even doing other leagues.
On April 18 2013 03:44 Canucklehead wrote: This is like tennis paying out the same prize pool for winning a random tennis tournament and winning wimbledon or golf paying the same for a lesser golf tourney and the masters. Makes no sense, other than affirmative action for foreigners and giving them charity money.
There's not affirmative action for foreigners. Everyone is free to enter whatever system they want. Koreans are entering both the NA and EU leagues. In fact, the entire point of this (as said by Blizzard in interviews) is to have the Koreans actually enter the foreign scene and take their infrastructure with them as they move abroad.
There is affirmative action. Koreans aren't free to go where they want, only those on foreigner teams can afford to for the most part.
Not to mention 24 players were seeded directly into the premiere leagues, and the majority of seeds were given to non-koreans. People like hellokitty and maker got seeds over much much better Korean players. If that isn't affirmative action, I don't know what is.
Why do we care what teams and afford can and can't afford? And if we are going to talk about affirmative action, lets talk about the Kespa and ESF only brackets for MLG qualifiers to assure they can bypass the open bracket. And lets make sure they only play against their own group, because it would be unfair if Kespa players were eliminated by ESF players. Because we can't have Flash going through the open bracket like Violet and Polt, that would be to taxing on him.
There is enough BS seeds and special brackets for Korean players in the past for NA leagues. Heave forbid that one NA league provide some level of support for people in their own region.
So is it a free system where anyone can play anywhere they want, or is it a system where NA players are supported, ie affirmative action, which is it?
Your example of affirmative action is that NA players were seeded into the NA region. How dare they seed NA/EU players into the NA/EU regions ... the Koreans should feel lucky they were even given spots that were CARVED out for them in other regions.
Well, my issue doesn't have anything to do with seeding or region locking. I call it affirmative action due to the equal prize pools. I would have no problem with a hard region lock if the prize pool for NA/EU was 33% of KR's prizepool (you can give EU a bit more if you want). That would be a fair system. As it stands now, the equal prize pool causes this affirmative action for foreigners in terms of prize money and I see it as charity money for them.
However, I will say that EU will benefit more from this due to the lack of koreans playing in that region. Though the reason for so many KRs in the NA scene besides the obvious reason of better lag is due to foreign teams bringing them over. 95% of the KRs playing are on foreign teams, so it's the foreign teams causing the korean invasion of NA themselves. Without the foreign team krs, then WCS NA would look similar to WCS EU in terms of koreans.
On April 18 2013 03:44 Canucklehead wrote: This is like tennis paying out the same prize pool for winning a random tennis tournament and winning wimbledon or golf paying the same for a lesser golf tourney and the masters. Makes no sense, other than affirmative action for foreigners and giving them charity money.
There's not affirmative action for foreigners. Everyone is free to enter whatever system they want. Koreans are entering both the NA and EU leagues. In fact, the entire point of this (as said by Blizzard in interviews) is to have the Koreans actually enter the foreign scene and take their infrastructure with them as they move abroad.
There is affirmative action. Koreans aren't free to go where they want, only those on foreigner teams can afford to for the most part.
Not to mention 24 players were seeded directly into the premiere leagues, and the majority of seeds were given to non-koreans. People like hellokitty and maker got seeds over much much better Korean players. If that isn't affirmative action, I don't know what is.
Why do we care what teams and afford can and can't afford? And if we are going to talk about affirmative action, lets talk about the Kespa and ESF only brackets for MLG qualifiers to assure they can bypass the open bracket. And lets make sure they only play against their own group, because it would be unfair if Kespa players were eliminated by ESF players. Because we can't have Flash going through the open bracket like Violet and Polt, that would be to taxing on him.
There is enough BS seeds and special brackets for Korean players in the past for NA leagues. Heave forbid that one NA league provide some level of support for people in their own region.
So is it a free system where anyone can play anywhere they want, or is it a system where NA players are supported, ie affirmative action, which is it?
Your example of affirmative action is that NA players were seeded into the NA region. How dare they seed NA/EU players into the NA/EU regions ... the Koreans should feel lucky they were even given spots that were CARVED out for them in other regions.
So they're league system is demolished and they're lucky that there's a replacement?
On April 18 2013 00:07 Branman wrote: EDIT: Soccer example. I don't think Barcelona or a Brazilian club is worried about the LA Galaxy showing up to the club world cup and taking down large prize money.
To make this example work, you have to include the change that now all the leagues in the world have the same prize pool, half of the Premier League games are removed and European Leagues are just a qualifier for the Club World Cup.
On April 18 2013 03:44 Canucklehead wrote: This is like tennis paying out the same prize pool for winning a random tennis tournament and winning wimbledon or golf paying the same for a lesser golf tourney and the masters. Makes no sense, other than affirmative action for foreigners and giving them charity money.
There's not affirmative action for foreigners. Everyone is free to enter whatever system they want. Koreans are entering both the NA and EU leagues. In fact, the entire point of this (as said by Blizzard in interviews) is to have the Koreans actually enter the foreign scene and take their infrastructure with them as they move abroad.
There is affirmative action. Koreans aren't free to go where they want, only those on foreigner teams can afford to for the most part.
Not to mention 24 players were seeded directly into the premiere leagues, and the majority of seeds were given to non-koreans. People like hellokitty and maker got seeds over much much better Korean players. If that isn't affirmative action, I don't know what is.
Why do we care what teams and afford can and can't afford? And if we are going to talk about affirmative action, lets talk about the Kespa and ESF only brackets for MLG qualifiers to assure they can bypass the open bracket. And lets make sure they only play against their own group, because it would be unfair if Kespa players were eliminated by ESF players. Because we can't have Flash going through the open bracket like Violet and Polt, that would be to taxing on him.
There is enough BS seeds and special brackets for Korean players in the past for NA leagues. Heave forbid that one NA league provide some level of support for people in their own region.
So is it a free system where anyone can play anywhere they want, or is it a system where NA players are supported, ie affirmative action, which is it?
Your example of affirmative action is that NA players were seeded into the NA region. How dare they seed NA/EU players into the NA/EU regions ... the Koreans should feel lucky they were even given spots that were CARVED out for them in other regions.
So they're league system is demolished and they're lucky that there's a replacement?
On April 18 2013 00:07 Branman wrote: EDIT: Soccer example. I don't think Barcelona or a Brazilian club is worried about the LA Galaxy showing up to the club world cup and taking down large prize money.
To make this example work, you have to include the change that now all the leagues in the world have the same prize pool, half of the Premier League games are removed and European Leagues are just a qualifier for the Club World Cup.
Is that what I said? No. Some of you guys just seem like you want the foreign scene to starve and cease existing =\
On April 18 2013 03:44 Canucklehead wrote: This is like tennis paying out the same prize pool for winning a random tennis tournament and winning wimbledon or golf paying the same for a lesser golf tourney and the masters. Makes no sense, other than affirmative action for foreigners and giving them charity money.
There's not affirmative action for foreigners. Everyone is free to enter whatever system they want. Koreans are entering both the NA and EU leagues. In fact, the entire point of this (as said by Blizzard in interviews) is to have the Koreans actually enter the foreign scene and take their infrastructure with them as they move abroad.
There is affirmative action. Koreans aren't free to go where they want, only those on foreigner teams can afford to for the most part.
Not to mention 24 players were seeded directly into the premiere leagues, and the majority of seeds were given to non-koreans. People like hellokitty and maker got seeds over much much better Korean players. If that isn't affirmative action, I don't know what is.
Why do we care what teams and afford can and can't afford? And if we are going to talk about affirmative action, lets talk about the Kespa and ESF only brackets for MLG qualifiers to assure they can bypass the open bracket. And lets make sure they only play against their own group, because it would be unfair if Kespa players were eliminated by ESF players. Because we can't have Flash going through the open bracket like Violet and Polt, that would be to taxing on him.
There is enough BS seeds and special brackets for Korean players in the past for NA leagues. Heave forbid that one NA league provide some level of support for people in their own region.
So is it a free system where anyone can play anywhere they want, or is it a system where NA players are supported, ie affirmative action, which is it?
Your example of affirmative action is that NA players were seeded into the NA region. How dare they seed NA/EU players into the NA/EU regions ... the Koreans should feel lucky they were even given spots that were CARVED out for them in other regions.
So they're league system is demolished and they're lucky that there's a replacement?
On April 18 2013 00:07 Branman wrote: EDIT: Soccer example. I don't think Barcelona or a Brazilian club is worried about the LA Galaxy showing up to the club world cup and taking down large prize money.
To make this example work, you have to include the change that now all the leagues in the world have the same prize pool, half of the Premier League games are removed and European Leagues are just a qualifier for the Club World Cup.
Is that what I said? No. Some of you guys just seem like you want the foreign scene to starve and cease existing =\
Yes, it is. You said that they should feel lucky. And they just lost half of their leagues and prize money.
On April 18 2013 03:44 Canucklehead wrote: This is like tennis paying out the same prize pool for winning a random tennis tournament and winning wimbledon or golf paying the same for a lesser golf tourney and the masters. Makes no sense, other than affirmative action for foreigners and giving them charity money.
There's not affirmative action for foreigners. Everyone is free to enter whatever system they want. Koreans are entering both the NA and EU leagues. In fact, the entire point of this (as said by Blizzard in interviews) is to have the Koreans actually enter the foreign scene and take their infrastructure with them as they move abroad.
There is affirmative action. Koreans aren't free to go where they want, only those on foreigner teams can afford to for the most part.
Not to mention 24 players were seeded directly into the premiere leagues, and the majority of seeds were given to non-koreans. People like hellokitty and maker got seeds over much much better Korean players. If that isn't affirmative action, I don't know what is.
The community has said that foreigners should just buck up and move to Korea if they want to be relevant. This is said with little regard to the actual costs of doing that or the culture shock. Suddenly there's an incentive for Koreans to move to NA/EU and there's outrage over that? The answer as to why lots of foreigners don't live in Seoul and participate in the Code A qualifiers is that it's freakin' expensive to do, yet no one seemed to care about cost and feasibility while shouting down seeds given to foreign major tournament winners (an actual incentive to get people to move to Korea).
Seriously, it's a double standard. The community was all about the old system which demanded that people move to Korea, and now they are upset about a system that encourages Koreans to move to a different continent? Why should Koreans have the privilege of not having to move to a foreign country and culture to make a living in SC2 when that's exactly what the community demanded of foreign progamers?
On April 18 2013 03:44 Canucklehead wrote: This is like tennis paying out the same prize pool for winning a random tennis tournament and winning wimbledon or golf paying the same for a lesser golf tourney and the masters. Makes no sense, other than affirmative action for foreigners and giving them charity money.
There's not affirmative action for foreigners. Everyone is free to enter whatever system they want. Koreans are entering both the NA and EU leagues. In fact, the entire point of this (as said by Blizzard in interviews) is to have the Koreans actually enter the foreign scene and take their infrastructure with them as they move abroad.
There is affirmative action. Koreans aren't free to go where they want, only those on foreigner teams can afford to for the most part.
Not to mention 24 players were seeded directly into the premiere leagues, and the majority of seeds were given to non-koreans. People like hellokitty and maker got seeds over much much better Korean players. If that isn't affirmative action, I don't know what is.
Why do we care what teams and afford can and can't afford? And if we are going to talk about affirmative action, lets talk about the Kespa and ESF only brackets for MLG qualifiers to assure they can bypass the open bracket. And lets make sure they only play against their own group, because it would be unfair if Kespa players were eliminated by ESF players. Because we can't have Flash going through the open bracket like Violet and Polt, that would be to taxing on him.
There is enough BS seeds and special brackets for Korean players in the past for NA leagues. Heave forbid that one NA league provide some level of support for people in their own region.
So is it a free system where anyone can play anywhere they want, or is it a system where NA players are supported, ie affirmative action, which is it?
Your example of affirmative action is that NA players were seeded into the NA region. How dare they seed NA/EU players into the NA/EU regions ... the Koreans should feel lucky they were even given spots that were CARVED out for them in other regions.
So they're league system is demolished and they're lucky that there's a replacement?
On April 18 2013 00:07 Branman wrote: EDIT: Soccer example. I don't think Barcelona or a Brazilian club is worried about the LA Galaxy showing up to the club world cup and taking down large prize money.
To make this example work, you have to include the change that now all the leagues in the world have the same prize pool, half of the Premier League games are removed and European Leagues are just a qualifier for the Club World Cup.
Is that what I said? No. Some of you guys just seem like you want the foreign scene to starve and cease existing =\
Yes, it is. You said that they should feel lucky. And they just lost half of their leagues and prize money.
Just go back a few pages and read where people have broken down that they actually don't lose much if anything at all money wise. The "leagues" are still there.
On April 18 2013 03:44 Canucklehead wrote: This is like tennis paying out the same prize pool for winning a random tennis tournament and winning wimbledon or golf paying the same for a lesser golf tourney and the masters. Makes no sense, other than affirmative action for foreigners and giving them charity money.
There's not affirmative action for foreigners. Everyone is free to enter whatever system they want. Koreans are entering both the NA and EU leagues. In fact, the entire point of this (as said by Blizzard in interviews) is to have the Koreans actually enter the foreign scene and take their infrastructure with them as they move abroad.
There is affirmative action. Koreans aren't free to go where they want, only those on foreigner teams can afford to for the most part.
Not to mention 24 players were seeded directly into the premiere leagues, and the majority of seeds were given to non-koreans. People like hellokitty and maker got seeds over much much better Korean players. If that isn't affirmative action, I don't know what is.
The community has said that foreigners should just buck up and move to Korea if they want to be relevant. This is said with little regard to the actual costs of doing that or the culture shock. Suddenly there's an incentive for Koreans to move to NA/EU and there's outrage over that? The answer as to why lots of foreigners don't live in Seoul and participate in the Code A qualifiers is that it's freakin' expensive to do, yet no one seemed to care about cost and feasibility while shouting down seeds given to foreign major tournament winners (an actual incentive to get people to move to Korea).
Seriously, it's a double standard. The community was all about the old system which demanded that people move to Korea, and now they are upset about a system that encourages Koreans to move to a different continent? Why should Koreans have the privilege of not having to move to a foreign country and culture to make a living in SC2 when that's exactly what the community demanded of foreign progamers?
Because they're better. Just like it's okay to "force" the best soccer players to move to Europe but it would be stupid to force European leagues to have the same prize pool as African leagues and now some of the best soccer players have to play in Botswana.
On April 18 2013 03:44 Canucklehead wrote: This is like tennis paying out the same prize pool for winning a random tennis tournament and winning wimbledon or golf paying the same for a lesser golf tourney and the masters. Makes no sense, other than affirmative action for foreigners and giving them charity money.
There's not affirmative action for foreigners. Everyone is free to enter whatever system they want. Koreans are entering both the NA and EU leagues. In fact, the entire point of this (as said by Blizzard in interviews) is to have the Koreans actually enter the foreign scene and take their infrastructure with them as they move abroad.
There is affirmative action. Koreans aren't free to go where they want, only those on foreigner teams can afford to for the most part.
Not to mention 24 players were seeded directly into the premiere leagues, and the majority of seeds were given to non-koreans. People like hellokitty and maker got seeds over much much better Korean players. If that isn't affirmative action, I don't know what is.
Why do we care what teams and afford can and can't afford? And if we are going to talk about affirmative action, lets talk about the Kespa and ESF only brackets for MLG qualifiers to assure they can bypass the open bracket. And lets make sure they only play against their own group, because it would be unfair if Kespa players were eliminated by ESF players. Because we can't have Flash going through the open bracket like Violet and Polt, that would be to taxing on him.
There is enough BS seeds and special brackets for Korean players in the past for NA leagues. Heave forbid that one NA league provide some level of support for people in their own region.
So is it a free system where anyone can play anywhere they want, or is it a system where NA players are supported, ie affirmative action, which is it?
Your example of affirmative action is that NA players were seeded into the NA region. How dare they seed NA/EU players into the NA/EU regions ... the Koreans should feel lucky they were even given spots that were CARVED out for them in other regions.
So they're league system is demolished and they're lucky that there's a replacement?
On April 18 2013 00:07 Branman wrote: EDIT: Soccer example. I don't think Barcelona or a Brazilian club is worried about the LA Galaxy showing up to the club world cup and taking down large prize money.
To make this example work, you have to include the change that now all the leagues in the world have the same prize pool, half of the Premier League games are removed and European Leagues are just a qualifier for the Club World Cup.
Is that what I said? No. Some of you guys just seem like you want the foreign scene to starve and cease existing =\
Yes, it is. You said that they should feel lucky. And they just lost half of their leagues and prize money.
Just go back a few pages and read where people have broken down that they actually don't lose much if anything at all money wise. The "leagues" are still there.
No. There were supposed to be 4 or 5 GSLs and 2 OSLs, now there are 3 and 1, respectively.
On April 18 2013 05:04 Elairec wrote: They were already reducing the number of GSLs to 4, so they lose overall one tournament? That's cause for panic? Please...
One OSL too. That's a third of all individual tournaments. Would you like to have one third of all MLGs, NASLs, Dreamhacks and IEMs removed, and have the other ones be WCS qualifiers with smaller prize pools than before?
On April 18 2013 03:44 Canucklehead wrote: This is like tennis paying out the same prize pool for winning a random tennis tournament and winning wimbledon or golf paying the same for a lesser golf tourney and the masters. Makes no sense, other than affirmative action for foreigners and giving them charity money.
There's not affirmative action for foreigners. Everyone is free to enter whatever system they want. Koreans are entering both the NA and EU leagues. In fact, the entire point of this (as said by Blizzard in interviews) is to have the Koreans actually enter the foreign scene and take their infrastructure with them as they move abroad.
There is affirmative action. Koreans aren't free to go where they want, only those on foreigner teams can afford to for the most part.
Not to mention 24 players were seeded directly into the premiere leagues, and the majority of seeds were given to non-koreans. People like hellokitty and maker got seeds over much much better Korean players. If that isn't affirmative action, I don't know what is.
The community has said that foreigners should just buck up and move to Korea if they want to be relevant. This is said with little regard to the actual costs of doing that or the culture shock. Suddenly there's an incentive for Koreans to move to NA/EU and there's outrage over that? The answer as to why lots of foreigners don't live in Seoul and participate in the Code A qualifiers is that it's freakin' expensive to do, yet no one seemed to care about cost and feasibility while shouting down seeds given to foreign major tournament winners (an actual incentive to get people to move to Korea).
Seriously, it's a double standard. The community was all about the old system which demanded that people move to Korea, and now they are upset about a system that encourages Koreans to move to a different continent? Why should Koreans have the privilege of not having to move to a foreign country and culture to make a living in SC2 when that's exactly what the community demanded of foreign progamers?
Because they're better. Just like it's okay to "force" the best soccer players to move to Europe but it would be stupid to force European leagues to have the same prize pool as African leagues and now some of the best soccer players have to play in Botswana.
The problem with your example is that many soccer players in Europe aren't from Europe, and European clubs don't have the highest level of skill. All of the world-class Africans travel to Europe, but we don't complain that they are forced to go to where the money is. Brazilian teams are equal in skill (they've won more club world cups), but they make far less money than European clubs.
Hypothetical example: if the MLS made NFL-like money, then they would be able to pay their players salaries competitive with EU teams. Would you be very upset if EU players moved to the US to play in this league?
The fact is that for SC2, the money is in the Western scene. That's where the sponsors are. That's where the audience is. It's not the job of the Western audience to subsidize the Korean scene. If Koreans want to make more money playing Starcraft, they might want to move to the West.
EDIT: Correction to soccer analogy. Brazilian clubs have won comparable numbers of Club World Cups but don't have the same payout.
On April 18 2013 03:44 Canucklehead wrote: This is like tennis paying out the same prize pool for winning a random tennis tournament and winning wimbledon or golf paying the same for a lesser golf tourney and the masters. Makes no sense, other than affirmative action for foreigners and giving them charity money.
There's not affirmative action for foreigners. Everyone is free to enter whatever system they want. Koreans are entering both the NA and EU leagues. In fact, the entire point of this (as said by Blizzard in interviews) is to have the Koreans actually enter the foreign scene and take their infrastructure with them as they move abroad.
There is affirmative action. Koreans aren't free to go where they want, only those on foreigner teams can afford to for the most part.
Not to mention 24 players were seeded directly into the premiere leagues, and the majority of seeds were given to non-koreans. People like hellokitty and maker got seeds over much much better Korean players. If that isn't affirmative action, I don't know what is.
The community has said that foreigners should just buck up and move to Korea if they want to be relevant. This is said with little regard to the actual costs of doing that or the culture shock. Suddenly there's an incentive for Koreans to move to NA/EU and there's outrage over that? The answer as to why lots of foreigners don't live in Seoul and participate in the Code A qualifiers is that it's freakin' expensive to do, yet no one seemed to care about cost and feasibility while shouting down seeds given to foreign major tournament winners (an actual incentive to get people to move to Korea).
Seriously, it's a double standard. The community was all about the old system which demanded that people move to Korea, and now they are upset about a system that encourages Koreans to move to a different continent? Why should Koreans have the privilege of not having to move to a foreign country and culture to make a living in SC2 when that's exactly what the community demanded of foreign progamers?
These are the weirdest complaints and TL really surprises me. Everyone blames Blizzard, when GOM also agreed to the terms as well so they could be on OGN. Also, Blizzard starts a local league that encourages top Korean players to come to NA and compete on a weekly basis, in our time zone at hours that are good for people watching in NA. The response to this is that people complain and freak out that the GSL was gutted(which isn't true, most players in GSL stayed). They provide an open bracket, which we all wanted at MLG.
At this point, I am sure that people would have complained no matter what Blizzard did. If they left GSL alone and made a separate league, people would have complain that GOM wasn't involved enough and players standing in GSL wasn't taken into account. If NA and EU were locked, then people would have called it welfare for bad players. There was no winning.
On April 18 2013 03:44 Canucklehead wrote: This is like tennis paying out the same prize pool for winning a random tennis tournament and winning wimbledon or golf paying the same for a lesser golf tourney and the masters. Makes no sense, other than affirmative action for foreigners and giving them charity money.
There's not affirmative action for foreigners. Everyone is free to enter whatever system they want. Koreans are entering both the NA and EU leagues. In fact, the entire point of this (as said by Blizzard in interviews) is to have the Koreans actually enter the foreign scene and take their infrastructure with them as they move abroad.
There is affirmative action. Koreans aren't free to go where they want, only those on foreigner teams can afford to for the most part.
Not to mention 24 players were seeded directly into the premiere leagues, and the majority of seeds were given to non-koreans. People like hellokitty and maker got seeds over much much better Korean players. If that isn't affirmative action, I don't know what is.
The community has said that foreigners should just buck up and move to Korea if they want to be relevant. This is said with little regard to the actual costs of doing that or the culture shock. Suddenly there's an incentive for Koreans to move to NA/EU and there's outrage over that? The answer as to why lots of foreigners don't live in Seoul and participate in the Code A qualifiers is that it's freakin' expensive to do, yet no one seemed to care about cost and feasibility while shouting down seeds given to foreign major tournament winners (an actual incentive to get people to move to Korea).
Seriously, it's a double standard. The community was all about the old system which demanded that people move to Korea, and now they are upset about a system that encourages Koreans to move to a different continent? Why should Koreans have the privilege of not having to move to a foreign country and culture to make a living in SC2 when that's exactly what the community demanded of foreign progamers?
Because they're better. Just like it's okay to "force" the best soccer players to move to Europe but it would be stupid to force European leagues to have the same prize pool as African leagues and now some of the best soccer players have to play in Botswana.
The problem with your example is that many soccer players in Europe aren't from Europe, and European clubs don't have the highest level of skill. All of the world-class Africans travel to Europe, but we don't complain that they are forced to go to where the money is. Brazilian teams are equal in skill (they've won more club world cups), but they make far less money than European clubs.
That's bullshit, European clubs have the highest level of skill by a gigantic margin. The club world cup is about as important as the official baseball world championship.
On April 18 2013 05:07 Branman wrote: Hypothetical example: if the MLS made NFL-like money, then they would be able to pay their players salaries competitive with EU teams. Would you be very upset if EU players moved to the US to play in this league?
If it happened naturally? No. If FIFA just decided to remove a third of European Leagues, cut their prize pool in half and slap a huge prize on the MLS to make players leave Europe, then yes, of course I'd be upset.
On April 18 2013 05:07 Branman wrote: The fact is that for SC2, the money is in the Western scene. That's where the sponsors are. That's where the audience is. It's not the job of the Western audience to subsidize the Korean scene. If Koreans want to make more money playing Starcraft, they might want to move to the West.
This has absolutely nothing to do with sponsors. This is not GOM trying to adapt or Korean team sponsors wanting their teams to go to the USA. This was Blizzards decision.
Edit: By the way, just to clear this out, I'm not saying the WCS system is horrible or anything like that. I was initially just responding to people who were saying that there was absolutely no reason to be upset about anything so I wanted to say that I don't like the change that my favorite league is now occuring less often, with less great players and less prize money. That's all.
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