Machine is the only one out of those three I could conceivably see leaving. But I think they want to give him a chance to prove himself in HotS, he switched over very early.

ffadicted

United States3545 Posts

March 15 2013 15:31 GMT

#482

Makes sense to me, it's a business after all. Sports players routinely get less money in their contracts when their level of pay decreases, not sure why puma felt otherwise about himself. I guess we don't know the entire details and figure, but ya, makes sense to me

With that said, not sure why this logic isn't applied to players like Machine and Demuslim (I'd say idra and incontrol, but they have more of a leadership/community/whatever role than player role)... loyalty maybe? But if that were the case, Puma has done and earned much more for EG than those players ever did or will, so....

CCa1ss1e

Canada3231 Posts

March 15 2013 15:31 GMT

#483

hmm.. well.. can't deny the logic behind it.

gl to wherever you end up pewma!

BisuDagger

Bisutopia19152 Posts

March 15 2013 15:32 GMT

#484

The questions comes down to who will EG play when Taeja can't?

WizardMcMuffin

Norway13 Posts

March 15 2013 15:33 GMT

#485

So sad! T.T
Good luck going forth! Perhaps Axiom needs another terran? :D

lungic

Sweden123 Posts

March 15 2013 15:33 GMT

#486

Next one to be dropped by EG is Naniwa*

* Details for how that will work out is left as an exercise for the reader.

bautistaaa

United States9 Posts

March 15 2013 15:34 GMT

#487

what is machine doing for you? or any of them for that matter..

boxerfred

Germany8360 Posts

March 15 2013 15:35 GMT

#488

That statement is one big reason for me to like and love the honesty of EG. Basically, the message is the following: PuMa was good, we want to thank him. Now PuMa is bad and is not worth the money we put in him. So, on a professional level, we have to say goodbye.

Kudos to EG for being that honest.

Let's just NOT go for "who's next"

. IdrA, JYP, HuK, Suppy, Machine... you don't hear too much lately, do you?

HotGlueGun

United States1409 Posts

March 15 2013 15:36 GMT

#489

I reckon he will join a KeSPA team, probably as a B-teamer. I think he can work his way up to the A-team though, he's still a great player.

Prolet

United States37 Posts

March 15 2013 15:36 GMT

#490

EG did a good job on this one. Their media release explained the situation. People may be skeptical, which is fine.

On a side note, I love how people say these players make "too much money" causes an "EG Curse." Just realize the only way for esports to grow and attract people, is if more money comes into the system. A person decides: "Should I hold off with university and make money playing esports?" They could play Starcraft II professionally and make X amount of dollars. Or they could go to university and make Y amount of dollars after they are finished. People look at the opportunity cost each situation. If there are higher salaries, then more players and fans will come to esports. I applaud any epsorts team that can provide a decent salary and benefits to their players. More people watching Starcraft II means more sponsors and larger prize pools.

The amount of money they make is relative. It may be a lot compared to what YOU make, especially since many of the players are young kids. Imagine receiving that amount of income at 15-19 years old? Most of professional Starcraft II players do not make much. And it takes years to get there.

QuantumChaos

Canada37 Posts

March 15 2013 15:42 GMT

#491

On March 15 2013 14:25 SoOJuuu wrote:

Show nested quote +

and machine is?

Do you know what Machine's salary is, as opposed to Puma's?

Didn't think so.

Jibba

United States22883 Posts

March 15 2013 15:44 GMT

#492

It's interesting to see the way Nazgul talks about his current and former players, and the way Alex does it.

E95jisA5dL

15 Posts

March 15 2013 15:46 GMT

#493

On March 16 2013 00:21 BronzeKnee wrote:What? Winners are marketable, losers are not. EG wants winners.

What you say is clearly not true. Losers are indeed marketable. Just look at Incontrol, Idra, Machine, Huk who all get facerolled by Puma or any other Korean or significant EU player for that matter, and haven't done anything significant in years. The reason they are on a team and have market value is because they have a big personality and have a following of fans. Shy Koreans are quite hard to market, even if they are winners. Why do you think Idra has a much bigger following than Taeja? It's not because of his skill I can guarantee you that.

brieN

United States158 Posts

March 15 2013 15:46 GMT

#494

i dont understand how puma who has won a lot of events gets the boot while other guys who have won one or less in the last 2 years gets to stay and probably paid more than him salary

IamAnton

Canada335 Posts

March 15 2013 15:48 GMT

#495

Let's hope they invest that money into some proleaguers. I 100% agree with EG's decision here.

Plansix

United States60190 Posts

March 15 2013 15:48 GMT

#496

On March 16 2013 00:27 derpface wrote:
Now I wonder who will go next, HuK or Machine or hopefully iNcontroL?

Keep hoping, its not going to happen. Incontrol provides a ton of value to EG though media presence, regardless of his results in events. And because of his media and community presence, other team members can focus on practice and events. EG has no reason to get rid of their front man when he is doing such a good job at it.

QuantumChaos

Canada37 Posts

March 15 2013 15:52 GMT

#497

On March 16 2013 00:48 Plansix wrote:

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Not to mention Incontrol is semi-retired from pro play at this point and is focusing on his other strengths - commentating, event hosting etc. As well as being the team captain and the public face of EG. Alex would be retarded to drop Incontrol.

Tosster

Poland299 Posts

March 15 2013 15:52 GMT

#498

Makes zero sense with HOTS release. Could it be endless money ceased to flow? Hopefuly Puma will get to a good team. Maybe one of KESPA's? Puma struggled in korea, yes, but who would be better to help him with this than korean team.

never_Nal

Costa Rica676 Posts

March 15 2013 15:54 GMT

#499

Well DeMusliM shall rise now

so its k, so sad to hear about PuMa leaving when new Coach coming into the house, It will be interesting to see foreigner under a Korean regiment of training, I Wonder if Coach Park will also affect TL-EG in Proleague, and who will he "train or help" TL players

Grettin

42381 Posts

March 15 2013 15:57 GMT

#500

On March 16 2013 00:52 Tosster wrote:
Makes zero sense with HOTS release. Could it be endless money ceased to flow?

Or because Puma was earning way too much compared to his current skill? Hots or not, he wasn't performing as well as he did when they signed him. As you can read from the statement, Puma was one of their highest earning players. Even without decreasing/balancing the salary, Puma didn't accept the offer. It would be very risky to offer him the same or similar contract just because it's HotS. They need the money elsewhere, getting more players to EG-TL for example. And i'm sure you can get few new players that are up and coming and has huge potential with that kind of money.

From the statement:

PuMa was one of our highest-paid Korean players, and we felt that to truly improve our performance in Proleague, we needed to get more results for our investment. We view Ho Joon as a member of our family, and we didn’t want to simply remove him from our team – in fact, we wanted to, and tried to, renegotiate his contract in a way that would make more sense for both sides (perhaps by balancing a decrease in salary with less Proleague participation and more non-Korean event attendance), but ultimately this approach was not desirable to him, and both of us agreed that it would be best to release him.