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E95jisA5dL
Profile Joined March 2013
15 Posts
March 15 2013 14:40 GMT
#461
This has nothing to do with Puma's performance. EG has always been interested in marketable individuals rather than good players. Even though Puma was not performing that well he still is a better player than most of the other players on EG's roster. I would say Puma is on a similar skill level as Stephano, who also has been underwhelming for the last 6 months at least, even though Stephano obviously receives much more money than Puma.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 15 2013 14:40 GMT
#462
On March 15 2013 23:37 StreetWise wrote:
I like the transparency in the press release. That way there isn't as much speculation as there often is with news like this. Even covering the fact that they tried to negotiate a lower salary and more foreign tournaments for him.


They did a really good job media wise on this one and got out in front of the message before everyone lost their minds. It’s a bummer, but they clearly went through a lot of effort to try and keep Puma on the team. Sometimes, both sides cannot come to terms.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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ThePrince
Profile Joined October 2010
Peru331 Posts
March 15 2013 14:41 GMT
#463
GUYS, isn't it painfully obvious that this decision is in many ways related to Coach Park? I mean, it can't be a mere coincidence that only a few days after signing Coach Park, Puma is dismissed. I think it was a coaching decision, to be honest.
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E95jisA5dL
Profile Joined March 2013
15 Posts
March 15 2013 14:42 GMT
#464
On March 15 2013 23:41 ThePrince wrote:
GUYS, isn't it painfully obvious that this decision is in many ways related to Coach Park? I mean, it can't be a mere coincidence that only a few days after signing Coach Park, Puma is dismissed. I think it was a coaching decision, to be honest.


what do you know about coach Park and / or Puma that makes you think that?
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-15 14:48:58
March 15 2013 14:47 GMT
#465
I love how Alex beats around the fence in saying PuMa was never a Pro League/Korean competition caliber player and the strategies of the day didn't help facilitate PuMa's success durrrrrr. He says I'm going to keep it squeaky clean because in this scenario it was but look at all the red flags lol. The guy clearly lives on a different planet.

On March 15 2013 23:42 E95jisA5dL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2013 23:41 ThePrince wrote:
GUYS, isn't it painfully obvious that this decision is in many ways related to Coach Park? I mean, it can't be a mere coincidence that only a few days after signing Coach Park, Puma is dismissed. I think it was a coaching decision, to be honest.


what do you know about coach Park and / or Puma that makes you think that?


They're going to start thinking everything has to do with coach Park when it comes to the team's success and failures when in reality sometimes you just have to let things play out with the new expansion pack and the wins will come. In either case, I'd say you guys are thinking way too much.
xPliCt
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany143 Posts
March 15 2013 14:49 GMT
#466
Perhaps Puma's contract just expired and they didn't make a new one?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 15 2013 14:50 GMT
#467
On March 15 2013 23:47 StarStruck wrote:
I love how Alex beats around the fence in saying PuMa was never a Pro League/Korean competition caliber player and the strategies of the day didn't help facilitate PuMa's success durrrrrr. He says I'm going to keep it squeaky clean because in this scenario it was but look at all the red flags lol. The guy clearly lives on a different planet.


Yeah, because clearly what you should do when release someone is go into detail on how you think they are are a shitty player, that they didn't pratice and were not really good enough. That is a great media plan and really helpful for your image i the community and your other players.

I don't think is is AG who lives on a different planet.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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diophan
Profile Joined September 2011
United States1018 Posts
March 15 2013 14:51 GMT
#468
I really respect how frank this announcement was. Best of luck to EG and Puma.
dreamseller
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
Australia914 Posts
March 15 2013 14:57 GMT
#469
Questions questions questions. Some questions came to my guttiwuts after reading the community's responses:

1. How could EG not convince him to stay on with a lower salary, even though it seems obvious to us all that staying on a team like EG, even with a big pay cut is an absolute no-brainier for a slumping player like Puma?

2. Could this mean that the negotiations weren't genuine/communicated properly, and were more of a formality as they booted the once mighty Puma out the door? Were there other conflicts in the team that made him want to leave or make them want him out?

3. Or do we take EG at their word and does that mean that Puma lacks the perspective (for want of a better word) on the scene to know he was better off staying?
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Darpa
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada4413 Posts
March 15 2013 15:00 GMT
#470
Wow, I thought this article was great, it actually explained the circumstance instead of the constant "we split mutually" fluff. Great Run by Puma, Thanks EG!
"losers always whine about their best, Winners go home and fuck the prom queen"
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
March 15 2013 15:00 GMT
#471
On March 15 2013 23:50 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2013 23:47 StarStruck wrote:
I love how Alex beats around the fence in saying PuMa was never a Pro League/Korean competition caliber player and the strategies of the day didn't help facilitate PuMa's success durrrrrr. He says I'm going to keep it squeaky clean because in this scenario it was but look at all the red flags lol. The guy clearly lives on a different planet.


Yeah, because clearly what you should do when release someone is go into detail on how you think they are are a shitty player, that they didn't pratice and were not really good enough. That is a great media plan and really helpful for your image i the community and your other players.

I don't think is is AG who lives on a different planet.


That's not what I said Captain Planet. It goes something like this, "blah, blah blah, blah; Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut, yadda yadda yadda ya." He says everything was rosy but then he does clamp down on Mr. PuMa. I find the press release personally excessive when he could have done it in 250 words. You don't have to write a tell-all book.
bonifaceviii
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2890 Posts
March 15 2013 15:05 GMT
#472
On March 15 2013 14:16 GreyKnight wrote:
pretty much a nice way of saying he wasn't good enough for his salary.

Basically. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 15 2013 15:06 GMT
#473
On March 16 2013 00:00 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2013 23:50 Plansix wrote:
On March 15 2013 23:47 StarStruck wrote:
I love how Alex beats around the fence in saying PuMa was never a Pro League/Korean competition caliber player and the strategies of the day didn't help facilitate PuMa's success durrrrrr. He says I'm going to keep it squeaky clean because in this scenario it was but look at all the red flags lol. The guy clearly lives on a different planet.


Yeah, because clearly what you should do when release someone is go into detail on how you think they are are a shitty player, that they didn't pratice and were not really good enough. That is a great media plan and really helpful for your image i the community and your other players.

I don't think is is AG who lives on a different planet.


That's not what I said Captain Planet. It goes something like this, "blah, blah blah, blah; Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut, yadda yadda yadda ya." He says everything was rosy but then he does clamp down on Mr. PuMa. I find the press release personally excessive when he could have done it in 250 words. You don't have to write a tell-all book.


From my understanding, everyone on EG really liked Puma, from AG all the way down to the players and staff. I saw the press release as something to give him a send off and make 100% sure that other teams knew that is was simply a money issue, rather than some internal conflict. When teams release a player they like, they often try to make sure that player finds a good home. It is why I like EG, they really care about their players.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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ROOTheognis
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States4482 Posts
March 15 2013 15:07 GMT
#474
Always cheered for PuMa to make a comeback in a tourney or PL. Such a shame why he couldn't. I always wondered why he would get crushed so hard in PL and Korean tournaments but would win Dreamhack and other foreigner tournies with ease.
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
March 15 2013 15:10 GMT
#475
On March 16 2013 00:07 ROOTheognis wrote:
Always cheered for PuMa to make a comeback in a tourney or PL. Such a shame why he couldn't. I always wondered why he would get crushed so hard in PL and Korean tournaments but would win Dreamhack and other foreigner tournies with ease.


I think you know why. Don't worry I'm sure he'll make some sort of return when the time is right. It's very difficult to be a well-rounded player and Terran's didn't have a really easy last quarter either.
HornyHerring
Profile Joined March 2011
Papua New Guinea1059 Posts
March 15 2013 15:16 GMT
#476
There you have the EG curse in a pill, give a kid a lot of money every month;why would he try harder, if he's already getting what he needs.
oh, hai
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
March 15 2013 15:20 GMT
#477
Pewmah hope he does well outside of EG at least
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BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5226 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-15 15:29:24
March 15 2013 15:21 GMT
#478
On March 15 2013 23:40 E95jisA5dL wrote:
This has nothing to do with Puma's performance. EG has always been interested in marketable individuals rather than good players. Even though Puma was not performing that well he still is a better player than most of the other players on EG's roster. I would say Puma is on a similar skill level as Stephano, who also has been underwhelming for the last 6 months at least, even though Stephano obviously receives much more money than Puma.


What? Winners are marketable, losers are not. EG wants winners.

As Alex said, Puma wanted a larger salary than Alex thought his performance warranted. This is 100% about Puma's performance or lack thereof.

Puma is my favorite Terran, and I have no doubts he will turn this around, but to say he is performing as well as Stephano is just ridiculous. And there is no other accurate way to measure skill than results. Stephano has a 6-5 record in Pro-League and is the best player EG-TL has in terms of win-loss ratio (in fact he is the only player with more win than losses). Puma is 1-7, despite me cheering my heart out for him every game.

I am pretty impressed with the way that EG handled this. But I feel sorry for them that people can't read and understand their announcement and understand the business side of E-Sports.

On March 16 2013 00:07 ROOTheognis wrote:
Always cheered for PuMa to make a comeback in a tourney or PL. Such a shame why he couldn't. I always wondered why he would get crushed so hard in PL and Korean tournaments but would win Dreamhack and other foreigner tournies with ease.


It is a mental thing for Puma. He could practice well, but never perform well in Korea. If he gets over the mental block, he could dominate.
derpface
Profile Joined October 2012
Sweden925 Posts
March 15 2013 15:27 GMT
#479
Now I wonder who will go next, HuK or Machine or hopefully iNcontroL?
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BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5226 Posts
March 15 2013 15:28 GMT
#480
On March 16 2013 00:27 derpface wrote:
Now I wonder who will go next, HuK or Machine or hopefully iNcontroL?


None of them, unless they want more money than their performance warrants, as Puma did.
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