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algorithm0r
Canada486 Posts
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schimmetje
Netherlands1104 Posts
On February 09 2013 06:22 algorithm0r wrote: Blizz wants you money and once they have it they will never ever give it back. Why would they? They're silly schemes have people paying for multiple copies of the same game, or buying items with real money that are worth nothing online. The Blizzard business model is milk the customer as much as they can since through copyright law no one can compete with them. It is not the same game. If the items are worth nothing, how are you made to buy them? Copyright law has nothing to do with it. So many things wrong with posts like this >< Good day sir, you get nothing. Nor should you. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9858 Posts
With two copies on one account you had access to TWO servers. Now you get access to MORE than two servers. This is only an extra feature to you, gives you more access, it just doesn't benefit you as much as the people who had one copy. You buy a laptop for $500, a month later it goes on sale for $400, does that make you entitled for a $100 refund? No. Seriously, I don't understand how people cannot understand, this is just simple logic. | ||
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shockaslim
United States1104 Posts
On February 09 2013 06:49 FiWiFaKi wrote: I think people aren't getting this. With two copies on one account you had access to TWO servers. Now you get access to MORE than two servers. This is only an extra feature to you, gives you more access, it just doesn't benefit you as much as the people who had one copy. You buy a laptop for $500, a month later it goes on sale for $400, does that make you entitled for a $100 refund? No. Seriously, I don't understand how people cannot understand, this is just simple logical. Not the same logic at all. Regardless if it was a different region or not. I bought TWO copies, I expect to have global play on TWO copies, not ONE. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9858 Posts
On February 09 2013 06:56 shockaslim wrote: Not the same logic at all. Regardless if it was a different region or not. I bought TWO copies, I expect to have global play on TWO copies, not ONE. How about this for an analogy. You buy an Ipod for $100 and a Phone for $100, as the phone can't play music. The phone company makes a free software change that allows you to play music on your phone. Does that entitle you to two phones or what? A $100 discount? Point is, person who bought the phone and spent $100 has the exact same stuff as the person who spent $200 on an ipod and phone. The person with the ipod just has a useless device now, just as you have a useless copy of the game. You had two accounts on totally separate servers, unable to interact with them, having them bound to one account, what entitles you to a free feature to have two separate accounts now from one account. You have just as much as you had before and more, so why are you complaining? You do have two copies of global play, you just made the decision to put them on the same account, that's not Blizzard's problem though. I think Blizzard offers more support than 99.9% of games out there, spending time on their game 3 years after beta. They put up with enough of our shit already of everyone complaining about everything, even when they give us more new features that are free. Give them a break, they are in no way responsible for this. Every change in life will benefit one more than the other, doesn't mean both people don't benefit though. Blizzard doesn't deserve the short end of the stick every time. | ||
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shockaslim
United States1104 Posts
On February 09 2013 07:00 FiWiFaKi wrote: How about this for an analogy. You buy an Ipod for $100 and a Phone for $100, as the phone can't play music. The phone company makes a free software change that allows you to play music on your phone. Does that entitle you to two phones or what? A $100 discount? Point is, person who bought the phone and spent $100 has the exact same stuff as the person who spent $200 on an ipod and phone. The person with the ipod just has a useless device now, just as you have a useless copy of the game. You had two accounts on totally separate servers, unable to interact with them, having them bound to one account, what entitles you to a free feature to have two separate accounts now from one account. You have just as much as you had before and more, so why are you complaining? You do have two copies of global play, you just made the decision to put them on the same account, that's not Blizzard's problem though. I think Blizzard offers more support than 99.9% of games out there, spending time on their game 3 years after beta. They put up with enough of our shit already of everyone complaining about everything, even when they give us more new features that are free. Give them a break, they are in no way responsible for this. Every change in life will benefit one more than the other, doesn't mean both people don't benefit though. Blizzard doesn't deserve the short end of the stick every time. You are STILL off the mark and your analogy does not even make sense. You can STILL use the phone, and you can STILL use the iPod. Where as with the game, I CANT use a copy of the game that I PURCHASED because they are both on the same e-mail which is ridiculous. | ||
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Elairec
United States410 Posts
You do have two copies of global play, you just made the decision to put them on the same account, that's not Blizzard's problem though. To this point; Blizzard recommended to add any future licenses bought to the same account. It is them who advised us to do it for ease of use. Think of it this way: people who seperated their accounts onto two emails can upgrade two accounts to play the expansion, only paying $80 (lets assume its $40 for the expansion for the sake of argument). People like myself and others in this thread would have to purchase ANOTHER copy of WoL(on top of the copy that was merged into our current email addresses) and then another copy of HoTS instead of just adding HoTS to the second account spending a total of $140. | ||
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Ryder.
1117 Posts
On February 09 2013 07:00 FiWiFaKi wrote: How about this for an analogy. You buy an Ipod for $100 and a Phone for $100, as the phone can't play music. The phone company makes a free software change that allows you to play music on your phone. Does that entitle you to two phones or what? A $100 discount? Point is, person who bought the phone and spent $100 has the exact same stuff as the person who spent $200 on an ipod and phone. The person with the ipod just has a useless device now, just as you have a useless copy of the game. You had two accounts on totally separate servers, unable to interact with them, having them bound to one account, what entitles you to a free feature to have two separate accounts now from one account. You have just as much as you had before and more, so why are you complaining? You do have two copies of global play, you just made the decision to put them on the same account, that's not Blizzard's problem though. I think Blizzard offers more support than 99.9% of games out there, spending time on their game 3 years after beta. They put up with enough of our shit already of everyone complaining about everything, even when they give us more new features that are free. Give them a break, they are in no way responsible for this. Every change in life will benefit one more than the other, doesn't mean both people don't benefit though. Blizzard doesn't deserve the short end of the stick every time. Thank fuck somebody else gets it. There is a lot of confusion with terminology so I'm going to say an 'account' is an email and a 'profile' is the ability to play on another region with the same account You guys may have started with the account joebloggs@battlenet on the NA server, and then you decided to purchase the region joebloggs@battlenet for the EU server. Under your one email address, you can play on 2 different regions and have 2 different profiles Global play comes along and wow look at that! You now have your one email (joebloggs@battlenet) and access to NA and EU accounts, so you can STILL have two different profiles, so you can play zerg on one and terran on the other or whatever the fuck you want. You still have 'two profiles' (joebloggs on NA and joebloggs on EU). Yes in hindsight this purchase was unnecessary and you wasted your money (just like the ipod example), but you still have exactly the same thing as you did before, and furthermore you don't need to buy HOTS for all your copies now. The fact that person C bought two accounts on 2 emails and now has effectively double the profiles to play on is not grounds for you to receive anything. On February 09 2013 07:26 shockaslim wrote: You are STILL off the mark and your analogy does not even make sense. You can STILL use the phone, and you can STILL use the iPod. Where as with the game, I CANT use a copy of the game that I PURCHASED because they are both on the same e-mail which is ridiculous. Last time I checked (I actually tried to do so) you can't have more than one account per region per email. Are you saying you purchased for example two copies of NA region under the one email address? In which case how did you switch between them when logging in? | ||
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shockaslim
United States1104 Posts
On February 09 2013 07:32 Ryder. wrote: Thank fuck somebody else gets it. There is a lot of confusion with terminology so I'm going to say an 'account' is an email and a 'profile' is the ability to play on another region with the same account You guys may have started with the account joebloggs@battlenet on the NA server, and then you decided to purchase the region joebloggs@battlenet for the EU server. Under your one email address, you can play on 2 different regions and have 2 different profiles Global play comes along and wow look at that! You now have your one email (joebloggs@battlenet) and access to NA and EU accounts, so you can STILL have two different profiles, so you can play zerg on one and terran on the other or whatever the fuck you want. You still have 'two accounts' (joebloggs on NA and joebloggs on EU). Yes in hindsight this purchase was unnecessary and you wasted your money (just like the ipod example), but you still have exactly the same thing as you did before, and furthermore you don't need to buy HOTS for all your copies now. The fact that person C bought two accounts on 2 emails and now has effectively double the profiles to play on is not grounds for you to receive anything. Last time I checked (I actually tried to do so) you can't have more than one account per region per email. Are you saying you purchased for example two copies of NA region under the one email address? In which case how did you switch between them when logging in? To the first bolded section, that is the freaking issue we have! Your terminoligy is STILL incorrect. Account = e-mail address, License = game purchased, and Profile = ability to play on region. For example, I have one account, with two licenses. One license gives me a profile for NA, the other license gives me a profile for EU. Now, with global play, what they are saying is that I have one account, and ONE LICENSE that gives me multiple profiles. They are taking one of my Licenses away AFTER I paid for it. What it really should be is one account with TWO LICENSES with both of them giving me the same number of profiles each. To the second bold, what you are saying is correct. I had the EU license of the game downloaded and the NA license downloaded. When I would log into EU with with the account, it would active the EU profile, and when I would login to NA with the same account, it would activate the NA profile. What people are complaining about is that it is effectively saying that one of your licenses is not valid. | ||
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Ryder.
1117 Posts
On February 09 2013 08:04 shockaslim wrote: To the first bolded section, that is the freaking issue we have! Your terminoligy is STILL incorrect. Account = e-mail address, License = game purchased, and Profile = ability to play on region. For example, I have one account, with two licenses. One license gives me a profile for NA, the other license gives me a profile for EU. Now, with global play, what they are saying is that I have one account, and ONE LICENSE that gives me multiple profiles. They are taking one of my Licenses away AFTER I paid for it. What it really should be is one account with TWO LICENSES with both of them giving me the same number of profiles each. To the second bold, what you are saying is correct. I had the EU license of the game downloaded and the NA license downloaded. When I would log into EU with with the account, it would active the EU profile, and when I would login to NA with the same account, it would activate the NA profile. What people are complaining about is that it is effectively saying that one of your licenses is not valid. Sorry I realised that my terminology at the end of the third paragraph was incorrect, I forgot to edit it out when I edited the rest of my answer. Your use of license= game purchased is effectively interchangeable with profile. Yes, I understood you paid for multiple 'licenses' in order to get what everyone else effectively got for free with global play. But you haven't lost anything; you have the same number of profiles as you had before. Instead of having 1 account, 2 licenses and 2 profiles (before global play) you now effectively have 1 account, 1 license and 2 profiles. It is unfortunate you paid for that extra license when if you had waited you would realise you didn't have to, but what really matters is the number of profiles (since that is what lets you play on different servers or use a different race) and importantly, that has gone unchanged. Yes you wasted money on an extra license, but no you have not lost any utility from the introduction of global play. If anything you now will save money since you don't need to purchase a HOTS 'license' for every existing WoL 'license' you had. Blizzard shouldn't have to compensate you for buying an extra license that is now redundant any more than they should have to compensate someone who bought the game at release for $90 even though it is now worth $50. You have had 2 years of playing on multiple regions, and when all is said and done you still have the same utility from your profiles as you would have had without global play. As far as blizzard is concerned, 2 years ago you payed extra money for the ability to play on additional servers, and now they are simply giving this ability to everyone for free, which doesn't entitle you to anything. Edit: Just curious, what would be your suggested actions for Blizzard? If they were to simply 'un-tether' the additional licenses on one account (ie so that 1 account with 2 licenses becomes 2 accounts with 2 licences) then all they are really doing is encouraging you to sell the extra account (since you now have access to all servers off the one account anyway), which is hardly what Blizzard want to encourage. | ||
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Obikai
United Kingdom10 Posts
in fact it should be 4 PROFILES in fact no it should be 8! there are 4 regions in which i can access via global play, i have 2 accounts i get 1 profile PER account ... this is not the case stop talking like it is 2 profiles NA/EU it should be 4!! profiles 2NA 2EU because 1 single licence GRANTS you 1 profile per region ... i cannot believe that you want to pass yourself off as havin a shred of intelligence when you cannot do simple math. "It is unfortunate you paid for that extra license when if you had waited you would realise you didn't have to" and this is the most ignorant garbage i have yet to read here. 3 years ago BLIZZARD told us THAT THE ONLY WAY we would be able to play North American Servers was using a North American key we did not pay for an extra licence because we didn't realise ANYTHING we bought an extra licence because it was the ONLY OPTION" you guys all talk about luxury it was not luxury it was necessity to get the full functionality we required. But you keep failing to understand that the key is NOT just access to US servers it is a licence for the ENTIRE product and depending on the keys REGION it will either allow you to access NA or EU servers respectively ... the problem here is that you don't actually hold the product well i DID i have a PHYSICAL boxed copy and an ADDITIONAL bought and paid for NA copy i have 2 products but only 1 single account with the EXACT amount of accessible profiles as 1 account would allow STOP comparing that we had 2 and we still have 2 .... YOU had 1!!! and now you have 2 .... simple math i have 2 so i should have 4!!! but i do not because what is being effectively done is the licence is REVOKED it is absolutely unused and servers no purpose on the account. The legal issue as far as where i come from is that unless Blizzard can present a formal and justified argument as to why a bought and paid for licence is being terminated then they are in deep shit and you know what having spoke to them on the phone today they KNOW and FULLY REALISE the implications, The official word is that people in our position (not yours sittin there mouthing off and acting smug from you comfort zone) are to wait until Global play is finalized and we should expect some form of compensation if no method to utilize ALL usable keys are made possible on 1 SINGLE account .... now please READ before you make another comment because i just shut down every single argument you have made thus far. it is NOT about refunds it is NOT about access to regions and functionality it is about a LICENCE UNUSED and possibly seen as being REVOKED on an account that previously made use of it .... at MINIMUM we are entitled to use that key to make a new account as it is no longer in use. | ||
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Masq
Canada1792 Posts
On February 09 2013 06:56 shockaslim wrote: Not the same logic at all. Regardless if it was a different region or not. I bought TWO copies, I expect to have global play on TWO copies, not ONE. I have two copies (previously one for EU and NA) and they both have global play. I assume you had them both under the same battlenet account? Using two separate accounts enables both with global play options.. | ||
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Obikai
United Kingdom10 Posts
On February 09 2013 09:38 Masq wrote: I have two copies (previously one for EU and NA) and they both have global play. I assume you had them both under the same battlenet account? Using two separate accounts enables both with global play options.. Then you are either too ignorant to read the OP's statement in full or you are trolling .... either way you are completely exempt from the argument and i would wager about 90% of the people making smug comments in here are on the same boat. "Using two separate accounts enables both with global play options.." you are absolutely right ... now you go and find me the legal document i agreed to where Blizzard states that no more than one key can or should be bound to a single account and we wont have a leg to stand on ...... but they didn't and THAT is the point! This ridiculous and quite frankly provocative nose rubbiing about "oh well i was smart enough to add my keys to separate accounts" that is great i am very pleased that you are not one of us that is left with half of what we paid for .... but it also questions how serious Blizzard were about not advocating smurfing because it ruins matchmaking do you not think? Honestly i am sick of having to explain such a simple thing to people who talk like they have more than enough intelligence to grasp the concept. | ||
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Ryder.
1117 Posts
Good luck with your remuneration...just don't get your hopes too high. | ||
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Obikai
United Kingdom10 Posts
On February 09 2013 10:07 Ryder. wrote: Edit: Ok I really can't be bothered arguing anymore, especially since you seem unable to form a fluent and coherent argument. If you can't see how you have exactly the same functionality before and after global play then I don't think you ever will. And you are deluded if you think that legally you are entitled to anything; I suggest you go and take a closer look to what actually happens when you purchase a license (you don't actually purchase the game btw, you only purchase the right to play it). Good luck with your remuneration...just don't get your hopes too high. I didn't argue i asked you a question in perfect english TWICE and you have failed to answer it and are now running off because you finally had a question posed to you that you cannot come up with a smarmy comment for ... off you go mate you just proved you are nothing but a troll ... and judging by your need to keep using over elaborate wording to puff up your superiority ... i would say you are prolly to young to have an understanding of paying for much in life anyway. | ||
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Ryder.
1117 Posts
On February 09 2013 10:43 Obikai wrote: I didn't argue i asked you a question in perfect english TWICE and you have failed to answer it and are now running off because you finally had a question posed to you that you cannot come up with a smarmy comment for ... off you go mate you just proved you are nothing but a troll ... and judging by your need to keep using over elaborate wording to puff up your superiority ... i would say you are prolly to young to have an understanding of paying for much in life anyway. Elaborate wording? Do you mean correct spelling as punctuation? Yes that must mean I'm young that makes sense.. it really isn't that hard and it makes a big difference... But please continue your personal attacks! And what question? I must have missed it, because not once in that rambling mess of yours did you use a question mark...do you see how it makes a difference now? As I said, if you want your argument to be taken seriously you need to structure it so it looks less like frantic keyboard mashing, because I honestly have no idea what you are trying to argue. Edit: You also have your account created today, with all 9 posts in this thread...and I'm the troll? Ok... | ||
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Obikai
United Kingdom10 Posts
On February 09 2013 11:18 Ryder. wrote: Elaborate wording? Do you mean correct spelling as punctuation? Yes that must mean I'm young that makes sense.. it really isn't that hard and it makes a big difference... But please continue your personal attacks! And what question? I must have missed it, because not once in that rambling mess of yours did you use a question mark...do you see how it makes a difference now? As I said, if you want your argument to be taken seriously you need to structure it so it looks less like frantic keyboard mashing, because I honestly have no idea what you are trying to argue. You know exactly what i mean, using big words to make yourself sound smarter than you are and flex your superiority over people you clearly deem intellectually inferior since most of your comments are as condescending as they are ignorant. Ironic really because you can't seem to be able to count to 2. but i digress the question or more request i put across was: please show me the line in the TOS where Blizzard states that only 1 single key can be bound to 1 single account so that the argument that we are all stupid for binding 2 keys to the same account actually has strength ... it is a very simple request. "fluent and coherent argument. " too many adjectives there for you to pass as anymore than some over superior little twerp who likes to hide behind his PC and wind up people he would prolly be too scared to do so in person ... but i know welcome to the internet it's just sad you fit the stereotype. honestly go back to your English teacher and hand em a sentence containing "fluent and coherent argument". It is just such utter overkill on an attempt to sound articulate it is laughable ... you are not talking to some teenage troll or little kid. I am a 30 year old man and i don't feel the need to make sure every single word i type online fits the Colins Grammar guide to appease some jumped up little muppet who has never took a punch for running his mouth too much. Atleast i am man enough to even suggest a personal attack, unlike you who hides them behind snide remarks and condescending comments under the belief the rest of the internet is too stupid to pick up on it. You are absolutely the worst kind, the kind that likes to provoke and then pretend he did nothing. You are honestly not even worth my time i apologise to everyone else reading this for even bothering to do so. | ||
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mindjames
Israel320 Posts
There, I fixed battle.net. | ||
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n0ise
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dcemuser
United States3248 Posts
The latest test realm build of WoW includes new client strings that suggest "account changing", but that is a feature World of Warcraft already supports. The only reason to change the way it already works in WoW would be to standardize it across all of Battle.net. When you combine this with the recent news that Diablo III is going to use the "Battle.net Desktop App" to select regions, I am 90% sure these changes are early preparations for the launch of this datamined "Battle.net Desktop App". WoW: http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/3116-Patch-5-2-PTR-Build-16562-PTR-Class-Balance-Comic for the string in question Diablo III: "RegionSelectionTooltip_App - Region selection is disabled when Diablo III is launched from the Battle.net Desktop app." I don't think Blizzard has forgotten your concerns in this case; I think they're just delaying them to do it in their own way. | ||
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