With Global Play, those with 2 or more copies of SC2 on one account, for multiple regions, will have bought multiple copies of SC2 for no eventual reason. The money paid for those additional copies will be meaningless.
Should Blizzard be nice and do something like give free HotS to people who now have multiple copies of SC2 that they were made to buy because of the lack of Global Play? Or is it just a case of screw the customers and they shouldn't get anything?
Basically we paid twice for WoL in order to get something that is now a part of the base WoL package, so IMO we should get back that money in some fashion. Getting a free copy of HotS seems reasonable, since it was Blizzard being bad at making a game that caused the whole issue in the first place.
Clarification:
Based on current understanding, those with 1 copy of SC2 on an account will be able to play on any region and have one "character" per region. Those with multiple copies of SC2 on one account with be able to play on any region, and also only one one "character" per region.
Basically you paid for 2 copies of SC2, and they are taking one away, based on current understanding oh how it works.
I think we should just get an extra license and be able to open a new account on a different email. No need to get future games for free - lets not be too entitled.
That's like saying people who a game on release should get something because the people who waited 2 years for the game to lower in price got it 50% cheaper....
Although I did pay for multiple regions, I feel content without getting anything in return. I bought the clients on my own behalf and back then, we did not know that there would eventually be global play.
how are they worthless? now you get 2 or 3 accounts for each region...... and you only need to buy 1 copy of hots to get access on all your accounts by the look of it, if they are on same bnet account
"If you have more than one regional copy of Wings of Liberty and want to upgrade to Heart of the Swarm, you only need to upgrade one of them. The Heart of the Swarm upgrade applies to all regional versions of Wings of Liberty on your Battle.net account."
so you effectively get free copies of hots, stop bitching now pls!
That would be like giving everyone free upgrades to all previous purchases when a new model came out.
"You had to buy an additional lens with the camera you bought from us last year. Our new model comes with a newer lens...so you should get it for free since when you bought your old one years ago, it didnt, and thats not fair imo"
Not really too much to ask for. Its absurd they didn't have global play to begin with, it was just a scheme to get money from people. So yes, they should do something to reimburse people
On January 27 2013 07:21 BigAsia wrote: Not really too much to ask for. Its absurd they didn't have global play to begin with, it was just a scheme to get money from people. So yes, they should do something to reimburse people
I don't think your argument is reasonable. Try to find something to do with your extra accounts, you can still use them as smurf or off race along with your main account.
On January 27 2013 07:21 BigAsia wrote: Not really too much to ask for. Its absurd they didn't have global play to begin with, it was just a scheme to get money from people. So yes, they should do something to reimburse people
On January 27 2013 07:21 BigAsia wrote: Not really too much to ask for. Its absurd they didn't have global play to begin with, it was just a scheme to get money from people. So yes, they should do something to reimburse people
No it wasn't, and no they shouldn't.
How can you say ?
We don't know if it was or if it was not
Because not everything is a conspiracy theory, despite what some people like to think. I honestly doubt Blizzard would hurt their game in the long run for a relatively marginal amount of money in a 2 year period.
On January 27 2013 07:21 BigAsia wrote: Not really too much to ask for. Its absurd they didn't have global play to begin with, it was just a scheme to get money from people. So yes, they should do something to reimburse people
No it wasn't, and no they shouldn't.
How can you say ?
We don't know if it was or if it was not
Because not everything is a conspiracy theory, despite what some people like to think. I honestly doubt Blizzard would hurt their game in the long run for a relatively marginal amount of money in a 2 year period.
Its not a conspiracy theory, it was a business strategy. I mean they had global support for Warcraft 3 (not sure about Starcraft, and Warcraft 2), so its really no excuse not to have it in Starcraft 2 from the beginning. Also how do you know its relatively marginal? You'd have to find the number of extra copies of WoL that were sold to people who bought them for the purpose of playing on other regions.
On January 27 2013 07:09 emythrel wrote: how are they worthless? now you get 2 or 3 accounts for each region...... and you only need to buy 1 copy of hots to get access on all your accounts by the look of it, if they are on same bnet account
"If you have more than one regional copy of Wings of Liberty and want to upgrade to Heart of the Swarm, you only need to upgrade one of them. The Heart of the Swarm upgrade applies to all regional versions of Wings of Liberty on your Battle.net account."
so you effectively get free copies of hots, stop bitching now pls!
I have 2 regions under 1 b.net acct. With global play, even though there's still 2 acct linked, I can only login to one.
Ah, but you got something - you got another region play - at a time when others who only bought one copy couldn't get it. At that time that luxury was expensive. Now it's cheaper.
It's like getting an expensive PC that's now cheaper, and asking to get the new expensive PC for free, basically.
I'm not saying you should get a free copy of HoTS but they should let you move it to another account if it isn't already so you can either A. Smurf; or B. sell it
This is entitlement that does not make sense whatsoever. You already got something that you payed for, you got the play on different regions earlier then the rest of the people that didn't buy multiple accounts. Now that everyone can do it suddenly you want something else you didn't pay for? What kind of reasoning is that?
On January 27 2013 07:21 BigAsia wrote: Not really too much to ask for. Its absurd they didn't have global play to begin with, it was just a scheme to get money from people. So yes, they should do something to reimburse people
No it wasn't, and no they shouldn't.
How can you say ?
We don't know if it was or if it was not
Because not everything is a conspiracy theory, despite what some people like to think. I honestly doubt Blizzard would hurt their game in the long run for a relatively marginal amount of money in a 2 year period.
Its not a conspiracy theory, it was a business strategy. I mean they had global support for Warcraft 3 (not sure about Starcraft, and Warcraft 2), so its really no excuse not to have it in Starcraft 2 from the beginning. Also how do you know its relatively marginal? You'd have to find the number of extra copies of WoL that were sold to people who bought them for the purpose of playing on other regions.
It's not a business strategy. You're VASTLY overestimating the % of people who would even consider buying more than one account/license.
Yeah, most buyers don't even touch multiplayer and give up trying to finish the campaign, let alone being competitive enough to want practice on other regions. TL is not representative of the millions that buy SC2.
[QUOTE]On January 27 2013 07:35 eScaper-tsunami wrote: [QUOTE]On January 27 2013 07:09 emythrel wrote: how are they worthless? now you get 2 or 3 accounts for each region...... and you only need to buy 1 copy of hots to get access on all your accounts by the look of it, if they are on same bnet account
"If you have more than one regional copy of Wings of Liberty and want to upgrade to Heart of the Swarm, you only need to upgrade one of them. The Heart of the Swarm upgrade applies to all regional versions of Wings of Liberty on your Battle.net account."
so you effectively get free copies of hots, stop bitching now pls![/QUOTE]
nuke that. seems when i login via europe to US server, i get my us account, not a new one. seems we are gettin screwed, guess i'll be moving my other accounts to separate bnet accounts then!
I have written a ticket about this issus they told me im screwed and my 100 Euros are gone (i had 3 copys) But i wanna propose another Solution: Please Blizzard implement this for Global Play: Multiple Copys of StarCraft II on one Battle.Net Account! I think this would be the best solution for Blizzard and for us customers
I think that adding extra stuff for people that bought more than one account is unreasonable. No one forced anyone to buy those extra accounts, and they served their purpose for the time they existed, now they just have more accounts that still work to smurf on. That is a still a positive, they got what they payed for.
The issue isn't additional copies. The issue is additional copies linked to the same email address.
For example: At release someone buys NA account then later buys an EU account with the same email address, but with the release of global play, instead of having two seperate licenses they have been merged as one. Instead of owning two accounts that have access to global play, we only have one account like everyone else who bought one game. It's not really a BIG deal, but it is money wasted if they don't allow us a way to convert the additional account into an actual extra account somehow.
On January 27 2013 10:05 Elairec wrote: The issue isn't additional copies. The issue is additional copies linked to the same email address.
For example: At release someone buys NA account then later buys an EU account with the same email address, but with the release of global play, instead of having two seperate licenses they have been merged as one. Instead of owning two accounts that have access to global play, we only have one account like everyone else who bought one game. It's not really a BIG deal, but it is money wasted if they don't allow us a way to convert the additional account into an actual extra account somehow.
It's not money wasted. You got what you payed for.
It's not like having an old PC and you want a new one for free. You still have your old PC and can still use it. Your additionnal account worth 0$, you can have NO use of it.
It's more like you buy 2 PC, you can buy to upgrade one, while they make you throw the other into the trash can...
On January 27 2013 06:50 Lonyo wrote: With Global Play, those with 2 or more copies of SC2 on one account, for multiple regions, will have bought multiple copies of SC2 for no eventual reason. The money paid for those additional copies will be meaningless.
Should Blizzard be nice and do something like give free HotS to people who now have multiple copies of SC2 that they were made to buy because of the lack of Global Play? Or is it just a case of screw the customers and they shouldn't get anything?
Basically we paid twice for WoL in order to get something that is now a part of the base WoL package, so IMO we should get back that money in some fashion. Getting a free copy of HotS seems reasonable, since it was Blizzard being bad at making a game that caused the whole issue in the first place.
This isn't true. I plan to use all my copies to have A zerg account, a protoss account, a terran account and a random account.
EDIT: Oh... never, ever put a second account on the same email. It's almost always a bad idea.
1: can't sell it, trade it, or give it away 2: Can't multi log on different games with the same bnet account. 3. One forum account. 4. This.
You already got what you wanted out of the purchase which was the ability to play WoL cross region for as long as you had those accounts and thats what you paid the money to do. Asking for the money back after getting what you wanted out of it seems the epitome of the saying "having ones cake and eating it".
Anyone missing the good old days where you bought a game to own it, instead of buying a license for a game from a company that can change the terms of that license to whatever the fuck they want to at any moment in time?
I think some of you don't understand the issue we are talking about I'll try to keep it short
Some of us wanted to play on different servers and bought multiple StarCraft II Copys, but put them on the same Battle.net account. Now with Global Play we have ONE Account with avery Region unlocked. Would i have put my 3 Copys on different Battle.net accounts then I would have THREE Accounts with every Region unlocked!
Now we want refunds in any form or way. Earler in this thread i suggested this:
I have written a ticket about this issus they told me im screwed and my 100 Euros are gone (i had 3 copys) But i wanna propose another Solution: Please Blizzard implement this for Global Play:
Multiple Copys of StarCraft II on one Battle.Net Account! I think this would be the best solution for Blizzard and for us customers
Anyone not understanding the issue here which is blizzard completely scamming people are not being smart. If I want 2 hots accounts, I actually have to buy 3 sc2s. How is this right? How do you reason that from now on I actually should buy all blizzard games under different accounts because there's risk that something you own will just get suddenly "merged"? What's next? Say that I get banned in SC2: do I also get ban to my wow/d3 accounts because they're under same account? If I've bought 2 times SC2, it's exactly as I've bought Diablo3 and WoW. You don't suddenly just lose one of them no matter what.
On January 27 2013 10:33 Adreme wrote: You already got what you wanted out of the purchase which was the ability to play WoL cross region for as long as you had those accounts and thats what you paid the money to do. Asking for the money back after getting what you wanted out of it seems the epitome of the saying "having ones cake and eating it".
On January 27 2013 09:54 Verzweiflung wrote: I have written a ticket about this issus they told me im screwed and my 100 Euros are gone (i had 3 copys) But i wanna propose another Solution: Please Blizzard implement this for Global Play: Multiple Copys of StarCraft II on one Battle.Net Account! I think this would be the best solution for Blizzard and for us customers
That one seems reasonable for sure and probably going to be how they eventually implement it.
People should be lobbying for this change and not refunds.
On January 27 2013 07:09 Beakyboo wrote: You bought those copies knowing there's a possibility they'd add global play.
This This and This.
Unfortunately when you bought your copy you should of thought about this beforehand. If you regret it so much then tough...sorry to be so blunt but thats the way it is. New stuff was always going to be on the horizon after hots was announced.
Expecting refunds or free HotS is unreasonable. We deserve two (or as many purchases you have under one account) "characters" per server, or chance to switch the 2nd account to another account. It's just plain idiotic you're being screwed over putting all your blizz games under same account - when I put my NA under same account as EU, I thought if anything would happen, I'd gain benefits from this, never harm. I'd think blizzard favors people having all their games under one account, these actions are completely against this.
On January 27 2013 10:05 Elairec wrote: The issue isn't additional copies. The issue is additional copies linked to the same email address.
For example: At release someone buys NA account then later buys an EU account with the same email address, but with the release of global play, instead of having two seperate licenses they have been merged as one. Instead of owning two accounts that have access to global play, we only have one account like everyone else who bought one game. It's not really a BIG deal, but it is money wasted if they don't allow us a way to convert the additional account into an actual extra account somehow.
It's not money wasted. You got what you payed for.
I still think you don't understand the issue. If you had 2 sc2 account under 2 different battle.net id. You get 2 global play accounts currently. Unfortunately people like me had 2 accounts in 1 battle.net id... you end up only having 1 global play account.
Well, the OP sure did not explain what you guys have explained. About that, Blizzard should allow a bnet ID with N copies of the same game to be able to create N different IDs each with one copy of the game.
I don't think anything will happen because of TL topic, especially when OP is misleading people to not understand the issue. It's completely matter of principle: I'm not certain I'm ever going to buy 2 hots. But I have to have the option to have 2 hots, by having 2 WoL. Now I'd have to buy 3rd WoL in order to access 2nd HotS. Anyone should see that's beyond idiotic.
On January 27 2013 12:05 Ouga wrote: I don't think anything will happen because of TL topic, especially when OP is misleading people to not understand the issue. It's completely matter of principle: I'm not certain I'm ever going to buy 2 hots. But I have to have the option to have 2 hots, by having 2 WoL. Now I'd have to buy 3rd WoL in order to access 2nd HotS. Anyone should see that's beyond idiotic.
Question but why would you want a second HoTS? Wasn't the whole multiple account stuff for different regions and now you can do it with 1 accounts its fine?
If you have more than one regional copy of Wings of Liberty and want to upgrade to Heart of the Swarm, you only need to upgrade one of them. The Heart of the Swarm upgrade applies to all regional versions of Wings of Liberty on your Battle.net account.
So u basically have to buy only one HotS for ur two, three WoL licences
And Blizzard will implement something, how we can use multiple licences on one account. People should take in account that Global Play is not officially released by Blizzard yet and even warns to use it.
On January 27 2013 07:35 figq wrote: Ah, but you got something - you got another region play - at a time when others who only bought one copy couldn't get it. At that time that luxury was expensive. Now it's cheaper.
This is well summed up. Those that bought multiple accounts paid for the luxury of being able to play on multiple accounts/regions, now that luxury is included. Things like this all the time and very rarely are refunds given. And in the case that they are usually its within a time frame such as the change happening within 90 days.
On January 27 2013 16:04 Comadevil wrote: Concerning HotS and Global play from Global Play Faq
If you have more than one regional copy of Wings of Liberty and want to upgrade to Heart of the Swarm, you only need to upgrade one of them. The Heart of the Swarm upgrade applies to all regional versions of Wings of Liberty on your Battle.net account.
So u basically have to buy only one HotS for ur two, three WoL licences
And Blizzard will implement something, how we can use multiple licences on one account. People should take in account that Global Play is not officially released by Blizzard yet and even warns to use it.
And this should cheer people up. Although it seems the moral of the story was to have used multiple accounts instead of having several copies on one account.
If people bought multiple copies they were able to play WoL on different servers, so you had the benefit you paid for. This has nothing to do with HotS, be happy you dont have to buy multiple copies of HotS as welll ... some people are always complaining ...
Doubt they would be so nice and split up the WoL copies. As I doubt everyone would be so nice and keep them. Probably alot would end up being sold, so they lose money for no reason. Maybe 5 or 6 month after HotS is out, to get a few additional HotS sales maybe.
Other then that why should they honor impatience by giving a refund of some sort, just because someone couldn't wait.
Beyond me how people fail to understand the issue. Why are you getting disadvantage for having two accounts under same account compared to having them under separate e-mails? We don't ask for friggin refunds, we're being stolen one purchase. If the two purchases were done under different emails, there is no issue.
Some think that when hots comes, they'll have these "characters" per server for ones with multiple sc2s under same account. But until I see blizzard confirming this, it seems just as sketchy politician talk what they've been saying, that essentially means nothing.
You can have multiple play-accounts on each region, if you bought more than 1 copy of WoL. I cannot think of any reason why this request should receive any attention whatsoever. I mean shouldn't we then also get HotS for a reduced price? I mean bought Starcraft 2 at the release, but now the prices have lowered dramatically.
Screw customers? This has nothing to do with it.
Edit: Why the hell would you buy multiple copies and then have them run on der the same bnet account -.-
This thread is as stupid as ladder anxiety. If blizzard is as bad as you are making them out to be with this dastardly business plan, then you really should have read the signs earlier. If not, then it was just a development that they decided to do down the track. Either way they don't owe you money lol.
It's really scary for me to see how accepting people have become of abusive (and in some countries downright illegal) terms of services. "It's in the TOS, so you don't get to complain!" is such an unbelievably stupid thing to say. You guys do know that it's also in the TOS that Blizzard can ban you at any time for any reason, right? They could send you a picture of a giant middle finger, say "Fuck you lol!" and close down all your accounts. And you said you're perfectly fine with that when you agreed to the TOS.
Sure, this isn't as bad. But in the end it's Blizzard selling people a 12 month (or less) license of their game for the full prize before revoking it, just like that, without even telling the customer. And you guys say that people shouldn't complain about that? WTF is wrong with you?
On January 27 2013 20:48 Conti wrote: Sure, this isn't as bad. But in the end it's Blizzard selling people a 12 month (or less) license of their game for the full prize before revoking it, just like that, without even telling the customer. And you guys say that people shouldn't complain about that? WTF is wrong with you?
Who says the licence gets revoked? Blizzard has't released Global play yet, users just found a way to unlock the region button, but people already complain that they get screwed over, though they don't know anything. And the advantage of all licences on one account is u need only one HotS copy to upgrade all licences as statewd in Blizzards FAQ.
On January 27 2013 20:48 Conti wrote: Sure, this isn't as bad. But in the end it's Blizzard selling people a 12 month (or less) license of their game for the full prize before revoking it, just like that, without even telling the customer. And you guys say that people shouldn't complain about that? WTF is wrong with you?
Who says the licence gets revoked? Blizzard has't released Global play yet, users just found a way to unlock the region button, but people already complain that they get screwed over, though they don't know anything. And the advantage of all licences on one account is u need only one HotS copy to upgrade all licences as statewd in Blizzards FAQ.
Assuming global play will be introduced officially (and I doubt anyone is disputing this), then yes, those extra licenses will become void. Useless. Revoked. Call it what you will.
And how is that an "advantage"? Whether you have 1 license or 4, you need to buy HotS just once to have it work everywhere. That's an improvement over having to buy 3 more HotS licenses (boy wouldn't that be fun?), but it's in no way, shape or form an "advantage" over having just 1 license. It's still 3 licenses thrown down the drain.
Why it becomes void? What if Blizzard gives u that many accounts per server as regional licences u have? Then it is not down the drain void or whatever u call it. Peopel just assume they will only get one account per server if they have multiple licences. There is no announcement of Blizzard yet how they deal with it, but it will come.
On January 27 2013 21:57 Comadevil wrote: Why it becomes void? What if Blizzard gives u that many accounts per server as regional licences u have? Then it is not down the drain void or whatever u call it. Peopel just assume they will only get one account per server if they have multiple licences. There is no announcement of Blizzard yet how they deal with it, but it will come.
Because people in this very thread have contacted Blizzard support and have been told that this is not going to happen. Yes, if Blizzard would give people a separate account for every license they have, that would be fine, and I would shut up. But it does not look like that's going to happen.
Have you ever worked customer support? Let's just say that oftentimes the head doesn't talk to the hands. When Global Play is released officially I would bet a lot of money that (even if not straight away - bugs happen) Blizzard will fix this issue, in the same way that if you have two WoW accounts on a BNet ID, when you log in, you have a tick box to decide which account to log onto.
No one fucking made you buy more than one copy.You, on your wish, bought another copy of a different region so you can have access to other servers. So,no, Blizzard should not give you a single coin because you bought another copy.It was your wish.
On January 27 2013 22:30 Gaela wrote: Have you ever worked customer support? Let's just say that oftentimes the head doesn't talk to the hands. When Global Play is released officially I would bet a lot of money that (even if not straight away - bugs happen) Blizzard will fix this issue, in the same way that if you have two WoW accounts on a BNet ID, when you log in, you have a tick box to decide which account to log onto.
Or if you prefer - OMG THE WORLD IS ENDING!!!
Not if they listen to all the fine gentlemen here who say that this is exactly what Blizzard should not do. It would be nice, definitely, but I'm not holding my breath.
And, honestly, what annoys me more than Blizzard potentially screwing over their customers is the people here saying that's just what Blizzard should do. :/
I have played on korea from holland on an eu account, so that at least is possible. But i remembered reading something about it not being official, so be careful for a bit.
No you shouldn´t get a free copy of HOTS, its self explanatory.
No you shouldnt get a refund, you know/should have knew that global play was a possiblity (blizzard said so themself).
What you should get are 1 profile/licence/character per WoL game bought.Obviosly if you want all of those characters to play in HOTS, u need 1 HOTS game per character/profile/WoL licence.
On January 27 2013 07:21 BigAsia wrote: Not really too much to ask for. Its absurd they didn't have global play to begin with, it was just a scheme to get money from people. So yes, they should do something to reimburse people
No it wasn't, and no they shouldn't.
How can you say ?
We don't know if it was or if it was not
Because not everything is a conspiracy theory, despite what some people like to think. I honestly doubt Blizzard would hurt their game in the long run for a relatively marginal amount of money in a 2 year period.
Its not a conspiracy theory, it was a business strategy. I mean they had global support for Warcraft 3 (not sure about Starcraft, and Warcraft 2), so its really no excuse not to have it in Starcraft 2 from the beginning. Also how do you know its relatively marginal? You'd have to find the number of extra copies of WoL that were sold to people who bought them for the purpose of playing on other regions.
Technological capabilities comes second to financial and legal capabilities. Different regions have developed different laws and social policies since Starcraft and Warcraft 3. Not to mention different economic environments necessitate different marketing Strategies (China's payment plans vs. Korea Bangs vs. typical game sales for example). Further more there was likely a server management component to it since there are many more people playing SC2 then SC or WC3 peaks in their time. Finally there was indeed a business component in the form of this being some form of IP control and roundabout DRM.
Overall individuals with multiple copies minus perhaps pro players who may have been contractually obligated to have access to all the major server regions for tournaments and practice, did so of their own free will. It was not a requirement to fully experience WoL,instead people paid $60.00 for a chance to face a Korean.
Blizzard could acknowledge these die-hard gamers with some kind of achievement/unique skins/some other cheap give away, but they shouldn't bend over to compensate these people like they maliciously/accidentally took away a part of the advertised package. If they had Global Play from the start and dropped it, that is one thing, but they didn't include or advertise they capability from the start.
On January 27 2013 06:50 Lonyo wrote: With Global Play, those with 2 or more copies of SC2 on one account, for multiple regions, will have bought multiple copies of SC2 for no eventual reason. The money paid for those additional copies will be meaningless.
Should Blizzard be nice and do something like give free HotS to people who now have multiple copies of SC2 that they were made to buy because of the lack of Global Play? Or is it just a case of screw the customers and they shouldn't get anything?
Basically we paid twice for WoL in order to get something that is now a part of the base WoL package, so IMO we should get back that money in some fashion. Getting a free copy of HotS seems reasonable, since it was Blizzard being bad at making a game that caused the whole issue in the first place.
It's Actiblizzard we're talking here, they'll probably find some reason to ban both your accounts and extract more money
Yesterday I was at a party with some friends and we were talking about how entitled people are today. This thread pretty much backs that up. I did not pay twice for WoL and I don't think people who did should get free copies of HotS that they won't use. People who did knew there was a risk that global play would make those extra copies useless and they bought them anyways.
On January 28 2013 00:06 Barrin wrote: Bait and switch.
Again.
I have to agree with this. Although i don't own 2 copies of sc2, it's clear that it's a business tactic. The same with all the new features (eg. watch replays with friends) which are coming out at exactly the time we need to go to the stores and buy HOTS. Still i have to agree with their business tactics, it works great for them.
On January 27 2013 22:30 Gaela wrote: Have you ever worked customer support? Let's just say that oftentimes the head doesn't talk to the hands. When Global Play is released officially I would bet a lot of money that (even if not straight away - bugs happen) Blizzard will fix this issue, in the same way that if you have two WoW accounts on a BNet ID, when you log in, you have a tick box to decide which account to log onto.
Or if you prefer - OMG THE WORLD IS ENDING!!!
Not if they listen to all the fine gentlemen here who say that this is exactly what Blizzard should not do. It would be nice, definitely, but I'm not holding my breath.
And, honestly, what annoys me more than Blizzard potentially screwing over their customers is the people here saying that's just what Blizzard should do. :/
Very much agree with this. It seems like a third of the people posting in this thread are actually glad that some people will get screwed over by this.
Now, I have two SC2 copies but attached to different accounts so I'm not really too fuzed about this, but that doesn't mean what Blizzard is doing is okay. If you bought two copies of the game you should be entitled to two accounts. Sure, asking for refunds or free copies of HotS is just ignorant, but at least let people keep the accounts they've already bought and payed for.
If you think like that then Blizzard would have been better off simply not doing it at all. They did a favor to those who don't have all regional copies and made the game better.
On January 27 2013 22:30 Gaela wrote: Have you ever worked customer support? Let's just say that oftentimes the head doesn't talk to the hands. When Global Play is released officially I would bet a lot of money that (even if not straight away - bugs happen) Blizzard will fix this issue, in the same way that if you have two WoW accounts on a BNet ID, when you log in, you have a tick box to decide which account to log onto.
Or if you prefer - OMG THE WORLD IS ENDING!!!
Not if they listen to all the fine gentlemen here who say that this is exactly what Blizzard should not do. It would be nice, definitely, but I'm not holding my breath.
And, honestly, what annoys me more than Blizzard potentially screwing over their customers is the people here saying that's just what Blizzard should do. :/
Very much agree with this. It seems like a third of the people posting in this thread are actually glad that some people will get screwed over by this.
Now, I have two SC2 copies but attached to different accounts so I'm not really too fuzed about this, but that doesn't mean what Blizzard is doing is okay. If you bought two copies of the game you should be entitled to two accounts. Sure, asking for refunds or free copies of HotS is just ignorant, but at least let people keep the accounts they've already bought and payed for.
Ah, I did not read the OP well enough to understand that you lose the extra account. That's rubbish and should be changed into a new account.
BLizzard did not force you to buy extra copies of the game. They don't care that you have to play on Europe sometimes or on Korea sometimes. You chose to buy it.
On January 27 2013 07:09 Beakyboo wrote: You bought those copies knowing there's a possibility they'd add global play.
This exactly. Nothing more to say here.
This is not about global play, this is about extra licenses becoming void, instead of Blizzard doing the fair thing and giving people a separate account per license (so they can be used, sold or whatever).
In my opinion anyone who is not a pro but bought multiple copies of this game has made a (stupid) decision, and just because Blizzard is adding a feature to allow playing in all regions does not mean you should not face the consequences of said decision. Besides, let's not forget that whatever benefit the additional copy of SC2 gave you, you had the pleasure of having it during the last months or years, that does not just disappear.
Basically; you paid for something which you received. That others receive something similar in the future does not rob you of anything you had, and still have. You knew there always was the option of Blizzard adding such a feature, yet you still bought your additional copy.
I wish people could just be glad when Blizzard adds features to this game, instead of becoming jealous / greedy / think they deserve compensation because they paid for something that will now become free for others. Frankly, it's quite pathetic.
On January 27 2013 07:09 Beakyboo wrote: You bought those copies knowing there's a possibility they'd add global play.
This exactly. Nothing more to say here.
This is not about global play, this is about extra licenses becoming void, instead of Blizzard doing the fair thing and giving people a separate account per license (so they can be used, sold or whatever).
Not really become void. You bought and been played for two years on the second server before the global go live, so it's like the fee for playing other regions in the same account in past two years. Thus you guys know there will be global play or something like that in HotS. Didn't think about " Well when it comes I just need upgrade one " and make another free battle.net account ? :S
Overall good thing but there should be a way for excess Sc2 profiles to be transferred to new B.net accounts. Only problem with that I guess is the ability to sell your copies second hand to someone. Maybe just allow accounts to have multiple profiles would be the best way.
Blizzard gives you a free upgrade for all your accounts and you think they "screwed" you? Would you rather like to pay for multiple HotS licences? You really think you are entitled to receive reimbursement for nothing? C´mon, kid... wake up
It isn't like people were tricked into buying multiple copies. Global play was announced not too long ago, so it's not like you didn't get use of your second account right?
On January 28 2013 01:21 DrAbuse wrote: Blizzard gives you a free upgrade for all your accounts and you think they "screwed" you? Would you rather like to pay for multiple HotS licences? You really think you are entitled to receive reimbursement for nothing? C´mon, kid... wake up
How dumb are you? People who have 2 or more accounts will lose their extra accounts which they bought with real money.
On January 28 2013 01:21 DrAbuse wrote: Blizzard gives you a free upgrade for all your accounts and you think they "screwed" you? Would you rather like to pay for multiple HotS licences? You really think you are entitled to receive reimbursement for nothing? C´mon, kid... wake up
How dumb are you? People who have 2 or more accounts will lose their extra accounts which they bought with real money.
Did Blizzard force them to buy the second one ? And they also can play global with 2 different accounts anyway
T_T Too bad it's useless to try explaining the situation, when OP gives false image of the situation and everybody only read that. I just don't understand why people feel the need to reply to 50 comment thread, after reading just OP.
People keep missing the point. If Blizzard is going to give people one separate WoL account per license bought (what an outlandish concept, right?), then everything is fine. If they don't and you still defend them, well.. then you most likely haven't thought this through.
On January 27 2013 07:35 figq wrote: Ah, but you got something - you got another region play - at a time when others who only bought one copy couldn't get it. At that time that luxury was expensive. Now it's cheaper.
It's like getting an expensive PC that's now cheaper, and asking to get the new expensive PC for free, basically.
On January 27 2013 07:09 Beakyboo wrote: You bought those copies knowing there's a possibility they'd add global play.
This exactly. Nothing more to say here.
This is not about global play, this is about extra licenses becoming void, instead of Blizzard doing the fair thing and giving people a separate account per license (so they can be used, sold or whatever).
Blizzard has only one job...make money. IF you bought another account you did that because you wanted it. Its like for example iphone 4s is out and you bought one, but wait the iphone 5 is out and you bought it. That is your choice to spend that money. BLizzard has no fault here and actually shouldn't have to do anything.
This is a rediculous statement by the OP. Stop whining for when they add a good options, you've decided to get multiple sc2 copies, there is absolutely no reason you should be reimbursed or whatsoever...
On January 28 2013 01:31 Conti wrote: People keep missing the point. If Blizzard is going to give people one separate WoL account per license bought (what an outlandish concept, right?), then everything is fine. If they don't and you still defend them, well.. then you most likely haven't thought this through.
Well that's just your opinion.
In my opinion Blizzard doesn't owe you jack shit and doing anything about this is entirely optional.
On January 27 2013 07:09 Beakyboo wrote: You bought those copies knowing there's a possibility they'd add global play.
This exactly. Nothing more to say here.
This is not about global play, this is about extra licenses becoming void, instead of Blizzard doing the fair thing and giving people a separate account per license (so they can be used, sold or whatever).
Blizzard has only one job...make money. IF you bought another account you did that because you wanted it. Its like for example iphone 4s is out and you bought one, but wait the iphone 5 is out and you bought it. That is your choice to spend that money. BLizzard has no fault here and actually shouldn't have to do anything.
That's a horrible analogy. You wouldn't lose your old Iphone. You can sell it or give it to a friend.
Blizzard are in effect deleting existing accounts, that was created with perfectly normal purchased licenses.
On January 28 2013 01:31 Conti wrote: People keep missing the point. If Blizzard is going to give people one separate WoL account per license bought (what an outlandish concept, right?), then everything is fine. If they don't and you still defend them, well.. then you most likely haven't thought this through.
Well that's just your opinion.
In my opinion Blizzard doesn't owe you jack shit and doing anything about this is entirely optional.
I'm really wondering if opinions like these exist because by now there are people who are young enough that they grew up with buying licenses of games, and never actually owned a single game in their life. And that they really, genuinely think that companies can and should do whatever the flying fuck they want, and everyone who complains is at fault because they dared to buy the game in the first place. And that you should just get used to companies treating you like some vermin, because.. well, because! They have the right to treat you like sheep! So you better not complain, or you're just stoopid.
I have a question, does this mean when we buy HotS, that license only applies to one region (assuming you only have one region in your account)? Since those with multiple regions on a single account get HotS license for all of the regions in their account.
Also, that's kind of weird. If you choose to put different regions on different accounts, that means when you switch to HotS, that's your loss right? But if you chose to put everything in one single account, then you get more HotS licenses. Lmao.
On January 28 2013 01:31 Conti wrote: People keep missing the point. If Blizzard is going to give people one separate WoL account per license bought (what an outlandish concept, right?), then everything is fine. If they don't and you still defend them, well.. then you most likely haven't thought this through.
Well that's just your opinion.
In my opinion Blizzard doesn't owe you jack shit and doing anything about this is entirely optional.
So you would be cool with it if blizzard would delete your sc2 account just because they can?
On January 27 2013 07:35 figq wrote: Ah, but you got something - you got another region play - at a time when others who only bought one copy couldn't get it. At that time that luxury was expensive. Now it's cheaper.
It's like getting an expensive PC that's now cheaper, and asking to get the new expensive PC for free, basically.
Thats a good way to put it...
It would be a good way to put it, if it was comparable. But it's not comparable.
It's like you had a dual core PC, and then you bought a second dual core PC. Then someone released a quad core PC, and upgraded your dual core PC to a quad core for free. And took away your second PC.
This thread reminds me of people complaining about spoilers on twitter. As service they willingly sign into and subscribe to, which they then use to complain about spoilers they receive from said service.
On January 28 2013 03:36 Plansix wrote: This thread reminds me of people complaining about spoilers on twitter. As service they willingly sign into and subscribe to, which they then use to complain about spoilers they receive from said service.
LOL how is it the same thing?
The current situation boils down to:
Scenario A: 1. Person A buys x regions of sc2 and puts it into 1 b.net account 2. Blizzard implements global play 3. Person A now only has 1 global play sc2 account and 1 b.net account
Scenario B: 1. Person B buys x regions of sc2 and puts it into x different b.net account 2. Blizzard implement global play 3. Person B now has x global play sc2 account and x b.net account
Simply put, it's just blizzard should've told people to to add seperate sc2 accounts instead of cramming them all into 1 b.net account, risking losing all your money from global play.
People that brought multiple SC2 accounts like me, I have 4 myself, shouldn't be reimbursed due to global play was never confirmed at the start of SC2 and its only just come out. It wasn't a part of SC2 before hand when you brought those regions so got what you payed for. Your lucky enough your getting HotS on all accounts when you buy it once.
On January 28 2013 05:18 Ioniize wrote: People that brought multiple SC2 accounts like me, I have 4 myself, shouldn't be reimbursed due to global play was never confirmed at the start of SC2 and its only just come out. It wasn't a part of SC2 before hand when you brought those regions so got what you payed for. Your lucky enough your getting HotS on all accounts when you buy it once.
Agreed sir. It is like being asked to be reimbursed for extra copies you bought just to change your clan tag, because now there are clan features.
Hopefully Fuhrer Obama will issue an executive order forcing Activision to credit me a free copy of HoTS for my extra accounts.
It's really not fair at all that I bought a product that didn't have global play advertised, and now that its available in a completely different product I should get it for no cost.
How is it any different from me buying my 26" monitor for $250 only to have BestBuy lower the price of the monitor to $199 the VERY NEXT DAY?
Do I go to BestBuy and demand a free $50 rebate? No. I suck it up and realize that this shit is bound to happen to at least 1% of the population and vow to be a smarter consumer from now on.
You guys bought multiple SC2 accounts, probably without even messaging customer support in making sure that global play wouldn't be available. Sure hindsight is 20/20, but when shit happens you just chalk it up to "shit happens," not stick your hand out for a free gimme. My opinion anyways.
Blizzard doesn't owe anyone anything. No one forced you to select a certain region for your primary copy of the game, and no one forced you to buy a secondary copy so you could play on another region. The second copy was purchased knowing full well that global play may be added at a later date. Also, during the time you had the 2nd copy, you were using it for what you purchased it for. Just because you can't use it now, doesn't mean you are entitled to something.
The only thing they should do is give another wol account...because if i would have put it on another email i would already have 2xglobal play accounts for which i paid for. Nothing more nothing less.
"Basically we paid twice for WoL in order to get something that is now a part of the base WoL package, so IMO we should get back that money in some fashion. Getting a free copy of HotS seems reasonable, since it was Blizzard being bad at making a game that caused the whole issue in the first place."
Are you serious? You bought multiple copies FULLY AWARE that things could change to the game/global play maybe available one day. Now you feel entitled to getting something in return because blizzard is UPGRADING their game? I can't even take this thread serious. When you spend money you should know exactly what you are spending it on. Don't ever expect someone to give you something for free in return when they upgrade their product.
On January 28 2013 05:41 Darkthorn wrote: The only thing they should do is give another wol account...because if i would have put it on another email i would already have 2xglobal play accounts for which i paid for. Nothing more nothing less.
Which is all what most of the people here are asking for. I mean, if you have 3 accounts, you could just sell the other 2 and buy HotS from that, anyhow.
But nope, apparently we're all fucking entitled and should've predicted that this would happen two years ago. Yeah, right.
Haha, so much confusion in this thread. Only thing people want is not lose all of their extra bought WoL licences that are on the same battle.net account.
With HotS release additional accounts would've become worthless anyway. I mean who will play WoL after HotS release? And HotS will have global play from day 1, so yeah. I'll just give my NA SC2 account to my friend ( I have it on separate battle.net account, because why not. Never saw any reasons in adding all keys to one account ) and upgrade EU one to HotS and friend will upgrade NA one to HotS as well.
On January 28 2013 05:52 TJ31 wrote: With HotS release additional accounts would've become worthless anyway. I mean who will play WoL after HotS release? And HotS will have global play from day 1, so yeah. I'll just give my NA SC2 account to my friend ( I have it on separate battle.net account, because why not. Never saw any reasons in adding all keys to one account ) and upgrade EU one to HotS and friend will upgrade NA one to HotS as well.
And people who added the account to the same email address want to be able to do the same thing. Those entitled monsters.
On January 27 2013 06:52 Elairec wrote: I think we should just get an extra license and be able to open a new account on a different email. No need to get future games for free - lets not be too entitled.
This, at least. Giving us extra accounts isn't going to hurt anything. We were SUPPOSED to have a separate MMR and ladder ranking for each race we play, but Blizzard apparently never followed up on that - having 3 accounts so you can play offrace and have fun without fucking demolishing your MMR into Platinum league would be nice . . .
No one forced you to buy multiple copies to begin with, and it's pretty much your own fault for wasting your money on multiple copies anyways.
If Blizzard would grant you access on hotS for free just because you bought multiple copies, I might as well buy another copy and say I didn't know about gp and get hotS for free myself.. So silly.
Except another copy would cost more than HoTS since it will be priced as an expansion. Use your brain please. Anyway, people with multiple WoL copies/accounts should only have to buy 1 HoTS copy and be able to transfer all their WoL accounts over to ladder with, at the very least. Buying 4 WoL copies to have a spare account for practicing builds on your mainrace, then an account for each offrace should not mean you have to buy 4 HoTS copies (for a total of 8) just to do the very same thing. If you like the game enough to buy 4 copies of the game, Blizzard should appreciate that and throw you a bone by allowing you to purchase the expansion and continue to use those accounts. It's called customer appreciation, especially for your most lucrative customers. They shouldn't fucking bloodsuck you and make you buy a HoTS game for each WoL game you bought, that's fucking evil.
You have a SC2 account for each WoL copy you bought. Buying HoTS should simply be the equivalent of buying the right to unlock the expansion and play it. On all of your accounts, not just on one at a time. It's an expansion, after all.
As a person with only one copy of SC2 I actually agree people who had to buy mutiple regional copies should get something nice for free only because it was dumb of blizzard to ever make regional games in the first place when all of their other games can select servers.
On January 27 2013 07:35 figq wrote: Ah, but you got something - you got another region play - at a time when others who only bought one copy couldn't get it. At that time that luxury was expensive. Now it's cheaper.
I must interrupt. Global play is not a luxury, it is a standard feature in all PC games of which StarCraft 2 was stripped to customers' harm. Please do not turn a deficiency into a norm.
So because Blizzard implemented a feature that people wanted, you should get something more? You bought the benefit of multiple accounts earlier than everyone else. That's what you purchased with money. It just seems awfully entitled to now request compensation. You can't ask for stuff if you've paid full price for something that goes on sale later, even if the price was supposed to be lower in the first place. You bought it and enjoyed the benefits since you thought it would be useful for you.
The question of whether global play is a luxury or not is meaningless. You bought multiple copies. The developer can just as well maintain segregated play and you can do is voice your opinion by not giving them your money. People rightfully complain about lack of global play, but it turns out it's not such a big deal. Those highly interested people are willing to pay more for that feature. Now that feature is provided for everyone included in the price. In the eyes of the developer this is extra effort on their part (for no monetary gain) and now they have to also compensate the hardcore people? Why should they even implement this, considering people didn't think it was that big of a deal in the first place?
On January 27 2013 07:35 figq wrote: Ah, but you got something - you got another region play - at a time when others who only bought one copy couldn't get it. At that time that luxury was expensive. Now it's cheaper.
I must interrupt. Global play is not a luxury, it is a standard feature in all PC games of which StarCraft 2 was stripped to customers' harm. Please do not turn a deficiency into a norm.
Well, don't interrupt please. The issue has been further clarified later. The OP is not even clear enough.
It was (at the time) luxury to play Starcraft II on multiple regions. Yes, that's a crappy service by the game, but then your option would have been to not buy the game at all; you aren't forced to buy it. So that's not bait and switch at all.
What is bait and switch, however, and should definitely be fixed - is that you buy 2 copies of WoL and now they are merged into one, because they are both on the same real ID, so you can't have 2 different playing IDs anymore. Obviously, for every copy of the game you paid, you deserve a separate playing ID, so they need to fix this asap.
On January 28 2013 06:43 Rhine wrote: So because Blizzard implemented a feature that people wanted, you should get something more? You bought the benefit of multiple accounts earlier than everyone else. That's what you purchased with money. It just seems awfully entitled to now request compensation. You can't ask for stuff if you've paid full price for something that goes on sale later, even if the price was supposed to be lower in the first place. You bought it and enjoyed the benefits since you thought it would be useful for you.
The question of whether global play is a luxury or not is meaningless. You bought multiple copies. The developer can just as well maintain segregated play and you can do is voice your opinion by not giving them your money. People rightfully complain about lack of global play, but it turns out it's not such a big deal. Those highly interested people are willing to pay more for that feature. Now that feature is provided for everyone included in the price. In the eyes of the developer this is extra effort on their part (for no monetary gain) and now they have to also compensate the hardcore people? Why should they even implement this, considering people didn't think it was that big of a deal in the first place?
Blizzard are removing something.
I already paid for more, they are taking away what I paid for. I paid for 2 SC2 accounts, they are taking one away, and upgrading the other. Now I would have one SC2 account and not the 2 I paid for. So yes, I should get something to replace the SC2 account they are taking away.
On January 27 2013 07:21 BigAsia wrote: Not really too much to ask for. Its absurd they didn't have global play to begin with, it was just a scheme to get money from people. So yes, they should do something to reimburse people
No it wasn't, and no they shouldn't.
How can you say ?
We don't know if it was or if it was not
Because not everything is a conspiracy theory, despite what some people like to think. I honestly doubt Blizzard would hurt their game in the long run for a relatively marginal amount of money in a 2 year period.
Its not a conspiracy theory, it was a business strategy. I mean they had global support for Warcraft 3 (not sure about Starcraft, and Warcraft 2), so its really no excuse not to have it in Starcraft 2 from the beginning. Also how do you know its relatively marginal? You'd have to find the number of extra copies of WoL that were sold to people who bought them for the purpose of playing on other regions.
They was WC3 and SC2 work is entirely different. Before SC2, one of the players would host the game (wc3, sc1, wc2, etc) but with SC2 blizzard is actually hosting the game on b.net, all data is being routed through battle.net and then to the other player, where as in WC3 all the data went directly to the other person. So the reason global play was more acceptable in the past was because you had a direct conversation, and now you go through a middle man which increases latency quite a bit. Also, blizzard sells the game different depending on the region. Like in SK they have a lot of restrictions and to play an online game you have to provide your personal ID number by law... if a korean person could just buy a NA copy of the game, it bypasses this law (though I think they have recently decided to change this) and on top of that different areas could be paying a different amount depending on local factors. I paid $60 for the game on day 1... if I could have bought say... a taiwanese copy on day 1 for $40, I totally would have.
Basically... global play was never an intended feature. They are only adding it because everybody wants it, and at this point everybody that's going to buy WoL already has it, so there's no reason to not introduce it.
On January 28 2013 06:46 figq wrote: What is bait and switch, however, and should definitely be fixed - is that you buy 2 copies of WoL and now they are merged into one, because they are both on the same real ID, so you can't have 2 different playing IDs anymore. Obviously, for every copy of the game you paid, you deserve a separate playing ID, so they need to fix this asap.
How should they fix something, what is not even released yet?
People are ranting on something which isn't obviously released and one support request as evidence that it will be like the OP siad. Blizzard is aware of the issue and i am pretty sure they will have a solution when they release Global Play
And yes i have also 3 licences on one Battle.Net ID
On January 28 2013 03:36 Plansix wrote: This thread reminds me of people complaining about spoilers on twitter. As service they willingly sign into and subscribe to, which they then use to complain about spoilers they receive from said service.
LOL how is it the same thing?
The current situation boils down to:
Scenario A: 1. Person A buys x regions of sc2 and puts it into 1 b.net account 2. Blizzard implements global play 3. Person A now only has 1 global play sc2 account and 1 b.net account
Scenario B: 1. Person B buys x regions of sc2 and puts it into x different b.net account 2. Blizzard implement global play 3. Person B now has x global play sc2 account and x b.net account
Simply put, it's just blizzard should've told people to to add seperate sc2 accounts instead of cramming them all into 1 b.net account, risking losing all your money from global play.
Can a mod edit the OP and put this post in its place? So few posting here are reading the thread, they just read the OP and get the wrong opinion.
On January 28 2013 06:43 Rhine wrote: So because Blizzard implemented a feature that people wanted, you should get something more? You bought the benefit of multiple accounts earlier than everyone else. That's what you purchased with money. It just seems awfully entitled to now request compensation. You can't ask for stuff if you've paid full price for something that goes on sale later, even if the price was supposed to be lower in the first place. You bought it and enjoyed the benefits since you thought it would be useful for you.
The question of whether global play is a luxury or not is meaningless. You bought multiple copies. The developer can just as well maintain segregated play and you can do is voice your opinion by not giving them your money. People rightfully complain about lack of global play, but it turns out it's not such a big deal. Those highly interested people are willing to pay more for that feature. Now that feature is provided for everyone included in the price. In the eyes of the developer this is extra effort on their part (for no monetary gain) and now they have to also compensate the hardcore people? Why should they even implement this, considering people didn't think it was that big of a deal in the first place?
Blizzard are removing something.
I already paid for more, they are taking away what I paid for. I paid for 2 SC2 accounts, they are taking one away, and upgrading the other. Now I would have one SC2 account and not the 2 I paid for. So yes, I should get something to replace the SC2 account they are taking away.
You paid for 2 accounts. Now you have 4 accounts. What's the problem again? Before you could play on 2 regions, and now you can play on all of them except china. lol. And you want something more. You paid for the ability to play on NA and EU or something. You still have the ability to play on NA and EU. Only now you can play on NA, EU, KR, SEA. You're right, blizzard should give you even more.
No, actually he should have 2 accounts and 8 playable "characters". Please just let this thread die because so many people aren't comprehending what the problem actually is.
On January 28 2013 07:18 Elairec wrote: No, actually he should have 2 accounts and 8 playable "characters". Please just let this thread die because so many people aren't comprehending what the problem actually is.
It's not blizzard's fault he's an idiot. I have 3 copies of sc2. Guess what, they are all on different accounts. Because I knew this would happen. He bought the extra copies for the strict purpose of playing on other servers. They didn't take anything away by adding global play, they GAVE HIM MORE. Before global play, did he have 2 NA accounts? no. So he didn't lose anything, therefor blizzard doesn't owe him anything. He bought the accounts to play other servers, guess what, he was allowed to play on other servers. Aka he bought a product, and used it. having used said product, he is entitled to nothing more. As someone said earlier... Just because I bought the game day 1 for $60, and someone else didn't buy the game until just now for $40, it doesn't mean blizzard owes me $20 because the game is now cheaper. We buy things because we want to play something NOW, not in 2 years. You bought extra accounts so you could play other servers NOW. That's how things work. He literally lost nothing, and by not losing anything he is not owed anything.
On January 28 2013 07:18 Elairec wrote: No, actually he should have 2 accounts and 8 playable "characters". Please just let this thread die because so many people aren't comprehending what the problem actually is.
It's not blizzard's fault he's an idiot. I have 3 copies of sc2. Guess what, they are all on different accounts. Because I knew this would happen. He bought the extra copies for the strict purpose of playing on other servers. They didn't take anything away by adding global play, they GAVE HIM MORE. Before global play, did he have 2 NA accounts? no. So he didn't lose anything, therefor blizzard doesn't owe him anything. He bought the accounts to play other servers, guess what, he was allowed to play on other servers. Aka he bought a product, and used it. having used said product, he is entitled to nothing more. As someone said earlier... Just because I bought the game day 1 for $60, and someone else didn't buy the game until just now for $40, it doesn't mean blizzard owes me $20 because the game is now cheaper. We buy things because we want to play something NOW, not in 2 years. You bought extra accounts so you could play other servers NOW. That's how things work. He literally lost nothing, and by not losing anything he is not owed anything.
Funny how he "literally lost nothing", yet both him and you bought exactly the same.. and here you are, having twice as many SC2 accounts as him. Must be magic happening.
Nobody is asking for more than they are entitled to (except maybe the op). I bought an extra copy on the same email because of convenience of use and being able to manage both of them through one account, yet we are idiots for this? No.
On January 27 2013 07:35 eScaper-tsunami wrote: I have 2 regions under 1 b.net acct. With global play, even though there's still 2 acct linked, I can only login to one.
Global Play is not released and so it is no wonder that this isn't functioning yet
On January 28 2013 07:18 Elairec wrote: No, actually he should have 2 accounts and 8 playable "characters". Please just let this thread die because so many people aren't comprehending what the problem actually is.
It's not blizzard's fault he's an idiot. I have 3 copies of sc2. Guess what, they are all on different accounts. Because I knew this would happen. He bought the extra copies for the strict purpose of playing on other servers. They didn't take anything away by adding global play, they GAVE HIM MORE. Before global play, did he have 2 NA accounts? no. So he didn't lose anything, therefor blizzard doesn't owe him anything. He bought the accounts to play other servers, guess what, he was allowed to play on other servers. Aka he bought a product, and used it. having used said product, he is entitled to nothing more. As someone said earlier... Just because I bought the game day 1 for $60, and someone else didn't buy the game until just now for $40, it doesn't mean blizzard owes me $20 because the game is now cheaper. We buy things because we want to play something NOW, not in 2 years. You bought extra accounts so you could play other servers NOW. That's how things work. He literally lost nothing, and by not losing anything he is not owed anything.
Funny how he "literally lost nothing", yet both him and you bought exactly the same.. and here you are, having twice as many SC2 accounts as him. Must be magic happening.
Sally has 2 apples, and bill has 2 apples. A week later, Sally has 4 apples and Bill has 8 apples. How many fewer apples does Sally have week 2 than she had week 1?
On January 28 2013 06:43 Rhine wrote: So because Blizzard implemented a feature that people wanted, you should get something more? You bought the benefit of multiple accounts earlier than everyone else. That's what you purchased with money. It just seems awfully entitled to now request compensation. You can't ask for stuff if you've paid full price for something that goes on sale later, even if the price was supposed to be lower in the first place. You bought it and enjoyed the benefits since you thought it would be useful for you.
The question of whether global play is a luxury or not is meaningless. You bought multiple copies. The developer can just as well maintain segregated play and you can do is voice your opinion by not giving them your money. People rightfully complain about lack of global play, but it turns out it's not such a big deal. Those highly interested people are willing to pay more for that feature. Now that feature is provided for everyone included in the price. In the eyes of the developer this is extra effort on their part (for no monetary gain) and now they have to also compensate the hardcore people? Why should they even implement this, considering people didn't think it was that big of a deal in the first place?
Blizzard are removing something.
I already paid for more, they are taking away what I paid for. I paid for 2 SC2 accounts, they are taking one away, and upgrading the other. Now I would have one SC2 account and not the 2 I paid for. So yes, I should get something to replace the SC2 account they are taking away.
ok, sure, in that case you should get your second account. I thought the initial post was asking about some kind of monetary compensation because of the fact that global play is now online.
On January 28 2013 07:18 Elairec wrote: No, actually he should have 2 accounts and 8 playable "characters". Please just let this thread die because so many people aren't comprehending what the problem actually is.
It's not blizzard's fault he's an idiot. I have 3 copies of sc2. Guess what, they are all on different accounts. Because I knew this would happen. He bought the extra copies for the strict purpose of playing on other servers. They didn't take anything away by adding global play, they GAVE HIM MORE. Before global play, did he have 2 NA accounts? no. So he didn't lose anything, therefor blizzard doesn't owe him anything. He bought the accounts to play other servers, guess what, he was allowed to play on other servers. Aka he bought a product, and used it. having used said product, he is entitled to nothing more. As someone said earlier... Just because I bought the game day 1 for $60, and someone else didn't buy the game until just now for $40, it doesn't mean blizzard owes me $20 because the game is now cheaper. We buy things because we want to play something NOW, not in 2 years. You bought extra accounts so you could play other servers NOW. That's how things work. He literally lost nothing, and by not losing anything he is not owed anything.
Funny how he "literally lost nothing", yet both him and you bought exactly the same.. and here you are, having twice as many SC2 accounts as him. Must be magic happening.
Sally has 2 apples, and bill has 2 apples. A week later, Sally has 4 apples and Bill has 8 apples. How many fewer apples does Sally have week 2 than she had week 1?
Well, maybe explaining the situation like that does help, so here we go..
All Sally wants is to have the same amount of apples as Bill, since they both paid exactly the same amount of money for their two apples. Which, up until this point, were exactly the same two sets of apples, too. There was no practical difference between the two sets of apples.
And suddenly Bill has 8, while Sally has 4. Sally doesn't think that's fair at all! But Bill says Sally's just some entitled bitch who wants 4 apples for free. Sure, Bill got 4 apples for free, too. But those 4 free apples are totally different from the 4 apples that Sally wants for free. Totally.
On January 28 2013 07:18 Elairec wrote: No, actually he should have 2 accounts and 8 playable "characters". Please just let this thread die because so many people aren't comprehending what the problem actually is.
It's not blizzard's fault he's an idiot. I have 3 copies of sc2. Guess what, they are all on different accounts. Because I knew this would happen. He bought the extra copies for the strict purpose of playing on other servers. They didn't take anything away by adding global play, they GAVE HIM MORE. Before global play, did he have 2 NA accounts? no. So he didn't lose anything, therefor blizzard doesn't owe him anything. He bought the accounts to play other servers, guess what, he was allowed to play on other servers. Aka he bought a product, and used it. having used said product, he is entitled to nothing more. As someone said earlier... Just because I bought the game day 1 for $60, and someone else didn't buy the game until just now for $40, it doesn't mean blizzard owes me $20 because the game is now cheaper. We buy things because we want to play something NOW, not in 2 years. You bought extra accounts so you could play other servers NOW. That's how things work. He literally lost nothing, and by not losing anything he is not owed anything.
Funny how he "literally lost nothing", yet both him and you bought exactly the same.. and here you are, having twice as many SC2 accounts as him. Must be magic happening.
Sally has 2 apples, and bill has 2 apples. A week later, Sally has 4 apples and Bill has 8 apples. How many fewer apples does Sally have week 2 than she had week 1?
Well, maybe explaining the situation like that does help, so here we go..
All Sally wants is to have the same amount of apples as Bill, since they both paid exactly the same amount of money for their two apples. Which, up until this point, were exactly the same two sets of apples, too. There was no practical difference between the two sets of apples.
And suddenly Bill has 8, while Sally has 4. Sally doesn't think that's fair at all! But Bill says Sally's just some entitled bitch who wants 4 apples for free. Sure, Bill got 4 apples for free, too. But those 4 free apples are totally different from the 4 apples that Sally wants for free. Totally.
Yeah.
Sally and Bill start with the same number of apples. Sally invests her 2 apples into Company A, while Bill invests his apples into Company B. After 2 years they both decide to sell their stock in the companies so they can retire. Sally's investment only yielded 4 apples, while Bill's investment yielded 8 apples. Sally was upset, but she accepts the fact that Bill made a better investment than her and decides to just be happy that she still has twice as many apples as when she started.
On January 28 2013 06:43 Rhine wrote: So because Blizzard implemented a feature that people wanted, you should get something more? You bought the benefit of multiple accounts earlier than everyone else. That's what you purchased with money. It just seems awfully entitled to now request compensation. You can't ask for stuff if you've paid full price for something that goes on sale later, even if the price was supposed to be lower in the first place. You bought it and enjoyed the benefits since you thought it would be useful for you.
The question of whether global play is a luxury or not is meaningless. You bought multiple copies. The developer can just as well maintain segregated play and you can do is voice your opinion by not giving them your money. People rightfully complain about lack of global play, but it turns out it's not such a big deal. Those highly interested people are willing to pay more for that feature. Now that feature is provided for everyone included in the price. In the eyes of the developer this is extra effort on their part (for no monetary gain) and now they have to also compensate the hardcore people? Why should they even implement this, considering people didn't think it was that big of a deal in the first place?
Blizzard are removing something.
I already paid for more, they are taking away what I paid for. I paid for 2 SC2 accounts, they are taking one away, and upgrading the other. Now I would have one SC2 account and not the 2 I paid for. So yes, I should get something to replace the SC2 account they are taking away.
You paid for 2 accounts. Now you have 4 accounts. What's the problem again? Before you could play on 2 regions, and now you can play on all of them except china. lol. And you want something more. You paid for the ability to play on NA and EU or something. You still have the ability to play on NA and EU. Only now you can play on NA, EU, KR, SEA. You're right, blizzard should give you even more.
Ughhhhhh that is NOT the argument. Who freaking cares the reason for why I bought two licenses on the same account. The fact is, they are telling me that I CANT PLAY ON ONE OF THE LICENSES THAT I ALREADY PAID FOR! That's the argument.
On January 28 2013 07:18 Elairec wrote: No, actually he should have 2 accounts and 8 playable "characters". Please just let this thread die because so many people aren't comprehending what the problem actually is.
It's not blizzard's fault he's an idiot. I have 3 copies of sc2. Guess what, they are all on different accounts. Because I knew this would happen. He bought the extra copies for the strict purpose of playing on other servers. They didn't take anything away by adding global play, they GAVE HIM MORE. Before global play, did he have 2 NA accounts? no. So he didn't lose anything, therefor blizzard doesn't owe him anything. He bought the accounts to play other servers, guess what, he was allowed to play on other servers. Aka he bought a product, and used it. having used said product, he is entitled to nothing more. As someone said earlier... Just because I bought the game day 1 for $60, and someone else didn't buy the game until just now for $40, it doesn't mean blizzard owes me $20 because the game is now cheaper. We buy things because we want to play something NOW, not in 2 years. You bought extra accounts so you could play other servers NOW. That's how things work. He literally lost nothing, and by not losing anything he is not owed anything.
Funny how he "literally lost nothing", yet both him and you bought exactly the same.. and here you are, having twice as many SC2 accounts as him. Must be magic happening.
Sally has 2 apples, and bill has 2 apples. A week later, Sally has 4 apples and Bill has 8 apples. How many fewer apples does Sally have week 2 than she had week 1?
Well, maybe explaining the situation like that does help, so here we go..
All Sally wants is to have the same amount of apples as Bill, since they both paid exactly the same amount of money for their two apples. Which, up until this point, were exactly the same two sets of apples, too. There was no practical difference between the two sets of apples.
And suddenly Bill has 8, while Sally has 4. Sally doesn't think that's fair at all! But Bill says Sally's just some entitled bitch who wants 4 apples for free. Sure, Bill got 4 apples for free, too. But those 4 free apples are totally different from the 4 apples that Sally wants for free. Totally.
Yeah.
Sally and Bill start with the same number of apples. Sally invests her 2 apples into Company A, while Bill invests his apples into Company B. After 2 years they both decide to sell their stock in the companies so they can retire. Sally's investment only yielded 4 apples, while Bill's investment yielded 8 apples. Sally was upset, but she accepts the fact that Bill made a better investment than her and decides to just be happy that she still has twice as many apples as when she started.
And they lived happily ever after.
The End.
Okay, you're seriously saying that people should be punished for putting different region versions of SC2 on the same b.net account?
On January 28 2013 06:46 figq wrote: What is bait and switch, however, and should definitely be fixed - is that you buy 2 copies of WoL and now they are merged into one, because they are both on the same real ID, so you can't have 2 different playing IDs anymore. Obviously, for every copy of the game you paid, you deserve a separate playing ID, so they need to fix this asap.
How should they fix something, what is not even released yet?
People are ranting on something which isn't obviously released and one support request as evidence that it will be like the OP siad. Blizzard is aware of the issue and i am pretty sure they will have a solution when they release Global Play
And yes i have also 3 licences on one Battle.Net ID
Do you have any reason to believe that Blizzard was aware of the issue (and solving it) before it was posted on their forums, or you just assume?
On January 28 2013 07:18 Elairec wrote: No, actually he should have 2 accounts and 8 playable "characters". Please just let this thread die because so many people aren't comprehending what the problem actually is.
It's not blizzard's fault he's an idiot. I have 3 copies of sc2. Guess what, they are all on different accounts. Because I knew this would happen. He bought the extra copies for the strict purpose of playing on other servers. They didn't take anything away by adding global play, they GAVE HIM MORE. Before global play, did he have 2 NA accounts? no. So he didn't lose anything, therefor blizzard doesn't owe him anything. He bought the accounts to play other servers, guess what, he was allowed to play on other servers. Aka he bought a product, and used it. having used said product, he is entitled to nothing more. As someone said earlier... Just because I bought the game day 1 for $60, and someone else didn't buy the game until just now for $40, it doesn't mean blizzard owes me $20 because the game is now cheaper. We buy things because we want to play something NOW, not in 2 years. You bought extra accounts so you could play other servers NOW. That's how things work. He literally lost nothing, and by not losing anything he is not owed anything.
Funny how he "literally lost nothing", yet both him and you bought exactly the same.. and here you are, having twice as many SC2 accounts as him. Must be magic happening.
Sally has 2 apples, and bill has 2 apples. A week later, Sally has 4 apples and Bill has 8 apples. How many fewer apples does Sally have week 2 than she had week 1?
Well, maybe explaining the situation like that does help, so here we go..
All Sally wants is to have the same amount of apples as Bill, since they both paid exactly the same amount of money for their two apples. Which, up until this point, were exactly the same two sets of apples, too. There was no practical difference between the two sets of apples.
And suddenly Bill has 8, while Sally has 4. Sally doesn't think that's fair at all! But Bill says Sally's just some entitled bitch who wants 4 apples for free. Sure, Bill got 4 apples for free, too. But those 4 free apples are totally different from the 4 apples that Sally wants for free. Totally.
Yeah.
Sally and Bill start with the same number of apples. Sally invests her 2 apples into Company A, while Bill invests his apples into Company B. After 2 years they both decide to sell their stock in the companies so they can retire. Sally's investment only yielded 4 apples, while Bill's investment yielded 8 apples. Sally was upset, but she accepts the fact that Bill made a better investment than her and decides to just be happy that she still has twice as many apples as when she started.
And they lived happily ever after.
The End.
Okay, you're seriously saying that people should be punished for putting different region versions of SC2 on the same b.net account?
They aren't being punished. They can still do everything they did previously.
On January 28 2013 07:18 Elairec wrote: No, actually he should have 2 accounts and 8 playable "characters". Please just let this thread die because so many people aren't comprehending what the problem actually is.
It's not blizzard's fault he's an idiot. I have 3 copies of sc2. Guess what, they are all on different accounts. Because I knew this would happen. He bought the extra copies for the strict purpose of playing on other servers. They didn't take anything away by adding global play, they GAVE HIM MORE. Before global play, did he have 2 NA accounts? no. So he didn't lose anything, therefor blizzard doesn't owe him anything. He bought the accounts to play other servers, guess what, he was allowed to play on other servers. Aka he bought a product, and used it. having used said product, he is entitled to nothing more. As someone said earlier... Just because I bought the game day 1 for $60, and someone else didn't buy the game until just now for $40, it doesn't mean blizzard owes me $20 because the game is now cheaper. We buy things because we want to play something NOW, not in 2 years. You bought extra accounts so you could play other servers NOW. That's how things work. He literally lost nothing, and by not losing anything he is not owed anything.
Funny how he "literally lost nothing", yet both him and you bought exactly the same.. and here you are, having twice as many SC2 accounts as him. Must be magic happening.
Sally has 2 apples, and bill has 2 apples. A week later, Sally has 4 apples and Bill has 8 apples. How many fewer apples does Sally have week 2 than she had week 1?
Well, maybe explaining the situation like that does help, so here we go..
All Sally wants is to have the same amount of apples as Bill, since they both paid exactly the same amount of money for their two apples. Which, up until this point, were exactly the same two sets of apples, too. There was no practical difference between the two sets of apples.
And suddenly Bill has 8, while Sally has 4. Sally doesn't think that's fair at all! But Bill says Sally's just some entitled bitch who wants 4 apples for free. Sure, Bill got 4 apples for free, too. But those 4 free apples are totally different from the 4 apples that Sally wants for free. Totally.
Yeah.
Sally and Bill start with the same number of apples. Sally invests her 2 apples into Company A, while Bill invests his apples into Company B. After 2 years they both decide to sell their stock in the companies so they can retire. Sally's investment only yielded 4 apples, while Bill's investment yielded 8 apples. Sally was upset, but she accepts the fact that Bill made a better investment than her and decides to just be happy that she still has twice as many apples as when she started.
And they lived happily ever after.
The End.
Okay, you're seriously saying that people should be punished for putting different region versions of SC2 on the same b.net account?
They aren't being punished. They can still do everything they did previously.
They would have had more had they used different accounts. So yes, they are being punished.
On January 28 2013 07:18 Elairec wrote: No, actually he should have 2 accounts and 8 playable "characters". Please just let this thread die because so many people aren't comprehending what the problem actually is.
It's not blizzard's fault he's an idiot. I have 3 copies of sc2. Guess what, they are all on different accounts. Because I knew this would happen. He bought the extra copies for the strict purpose of playing on other servers. They didn't take anything away by adding global play, they GAVE HIM MORE. Before global play, did he have 2 NA accounts? no. So he didn't lose anything, therefor blizzard doesn't owe him anything. He bought the accounts to play other servers, guess what, he was allowed to play on other servers. Aka he bought a product, and used it. having used said product, he is entitled to nothing more. As someone said earlier... Just because I bought the game day 1 for $60, and someone else didn't buy the game until just now for $40, it doesn't mean blizzard owes me $20 because the game is now cheaper. We buy things because we want to play something NOW, not in 2 years. You bought extra accounts so you could play other servers NOW. That's how things work. He literally lost nothing, and by not losing anything he is not owed anything.
Funny how he "literally lost nothing", yet both him and you bought exactly the same.. and here you are, having twice as many SC2 accounts as him. Must be magic happening.
Sally has 2 apples, and bill has 2 apples. A week later, Sally has 4 apples and Bill has 8 apples. How many fewer apples does Sally have week 2 than she had week 1?
Well, maybe explaining the situation like that does help, so here we go..
All Sally wants is to have the same amount of apples as Bill, since they both paid exactly the same amount of money for their two apples. Which, up until this point, were exactly the same two sets of apples, too. There was no practical difference between the two sets of apples.
And suddenly Bill has 8, while Sally has 4. Sally doesn't think that's fair at all! But Bill says Sally's just some entitled bitch who wants 4 apples for free. Sure, Bill got 4 apples for free, too. But those 4 free apples are totally different from the 4 apples that Sally wants for free. Totally.
Yeah.
Sally and Bill start with the same number of apples. Sally invests her 2 apples into Company A, while Bill invests his apples into Company B. After 2 years they both decide to sell their stock in the companies so they can retire. Sally's investment only yielded 4 apples, while Bill's investment yielded 8 apples. Sally was upset, but she accepts the fact that Bill made a better investment than her and decides to just be happy that she still has twice as many apples as when she started.
And they lived happily ever after.
The End.
Okay, you're seriously saying that people should be punished for putting different region versions of SC2 on the same b.net account?
If this is the case, perhaps they could give an 1 time access code which allows people to move the SC2 account to a new B.net account. You will have multiple b.net accounts but retain the unique game. But at the same time we knew this was coming but people paid extra anyway to play in different regions up to 2.5 years before the guy with one license.
On January 27 2013 07:15 MaestroSC wrote: They shouldnt do anything lol.
That would be like giving everyone free upgrades to all previous purchases when a new model came out.
"You had to buy an additional lens with the camera you bought from us last year. Our new model comes with a newer lens...so you should get it for free since when you bought your old one years ago, it didnt, and thats not fair imo"
Its more like if you bought the same model car 4 times for four different places ( One KR, NA,EU, SEA) and you remain with 4 cars, however someone that bought the same model car 4 times under 4 separate names now having 16 cars.
On January 28 2013 07:18 Elairec wrote: No, actually he should have 2 accounts and 8 playable "characters". Please just let this thread die because so many people aren't comprehending what the problem actually is.
It's not blizzard's fault he's an idiot. I have 3 copies of sc2. Guess what, they are all on different accounts. Because I knew this would happen. He bought the extra copies for the strict purpose of playing on other servers. They didn't take anything away by adding global play, they GAVE HIM MORE. Before global play, did he have 2 NA accounts? no. So he didn't lose anything, therefor blizzard doesn't owe him anything. He bought the accounts to play other servers, guess what, he was allowed to play on other servers. Aka he bought a product, and used it. having used said product, he is entitled to nothing more. As someone said earlier... Just because I bought the game day 1 for $60, and someone else didn't buy the game until just now for $40, it doesn't mean blizzard owes me $20 because the game is now cheaper. We buy things because we want to play something NOW, not in 2 years. You bought extra accounts so you could play other servers NOW. That's how things work. He literally lost nothing, and by not losing anything he is not owed anything.
Funny how he "literally lost nothing", yet both him and you bought exactly the same.. and here you are, having twice as many SC2 accounts as him. Must be magic happening.
Sally has 2 apples, and bill has 2 apples. A week later, Sally has 4 apples and Bill has 8 apples. How many fewer apples does Sally have week 2 than she had week 1?
Well, maybe explaining the situation like that does help, so here we go..
All Sally wants is to have the same amount of apples as Bill, since they both paid exactly the same amount of money for their two apples. Which, up until this point, were exactly the same two sets of apples, too. There was no practical difference between the two sets of apples.
And suddenly Bill has 8, while Sally has 4. Sally doesn't think that's fair at all! But Bill says Sally's just some entitled bitch who wants 4 apples for free. Sure, Bill got 4 apples for free, too. But those 4 free apples are totally different from the 4 apples that Sally wants for free. Totally.
Yeah.
Sally and Bill start with the same number of apples. Sally invests her 2 apples into Company A, while Bill invests his apples into Company B. After 2 years they both decide to sell their stock in the companies so they can retire. Sally's investment only yielded 4 apples, while Bill's investment yielded 8 apples. Sally was upset, but she accepts the fact that Bill made a better investment than her and decides to just be happy that she still has twice as many apples as when she started.
And they lived happily ever after.
The End.
Okay, you're seriously saying that people should be punished for putting different region versions of SC2 on the same b.net account?
They aren't being punished. They can still do everything they did previously.
I wouldn't mind if the Wol accounts end up being useless since blizz is dividing the ladders like they did with WC3.
But does anyone know what happens in HOTS for people with multiple Wol regions?
The faq says that we only have to buy hots once and the upgrade applies to all regions on the account but for people with multiple regions, does that mean they'll get multiple hots profiles? ie. 4 wol regions --> 4 hots accounts?
The reality is that you're probably getting nothing, this is Activision Blizzard we are talking about. You basically got screwed like me and there is no way they will compensate. They are a company, their goal is to sell copies.
I own 3 accounts in total. I used them all well. And now with HotS coming I still have the extra accounts to hide on where people can't find me. And if I want to I don't have to buy any additional copies of HotS :D.
We are not owed anything for having extra accounts. And this topic I feel is a little self entitled. Kind of reminds me of my experiences with the LoL community.
On February 06 2013 19:09 ODKStevez wrote: The reality is that you're probably getting nothing, this is Activision Blizzard we are talking about. You basically got screwed like me and there is no way they will compensate. They are a company, their goal is to sell copies.
They generally have pretty good PR, wouldn't be surprised if they at least separated the accounts.
Also, has a wind of stupidity hit the world over last night, or was the amount of people who can't read 10 lines of text always so high?
On January 28 2013 07:18 Elairec wrote: No, actually he should have 2 accounts and 8 playable "characters". Please just let this thread die because so many people aren't comprehending what the problem actually is.
It's not blizzard's fault he's an idiot. I have 3 copies of sc2. Guess what, they are all on different accounts. Because I knew this would happen. He bought the extra copies for the strict purpose of playing on other servers. They didn't take anything away by adding global play, they GAVE HIM MORE. Before global play, did he have 2 NA accounts? no. So he didn't lose anything, therefor blizzard doesn't owe him anything. He bought the accounts to play other servers, guess what, he was allowed to play on other servers. Aka he bought a product, and used it. having used said product, he is entitled to nothing more. As someone said earlier... Just because I bought the game day 1 for $60, and someone else didn't buy the game until just now for $40, it doesn't mean blizzard owes me $20 because the game is now cheaper. We buy things because we want to play something NOW, not in 2 years. You bought extra accounts so you could play other servers NOW. That's how things work. He literally lost nothing, and by not losing anything he is not owed anything.
Funny how he "literally lost nothing", yet both him and you bought exactly the same.. and here you are, having twice as many SC2 accounts as him. Must be magic happening.
Sally has 2 apples, and bill has 2 apples. A week later, Sally has 4 apples and Bill has 8 apples. How many fewer apples does Sally have week 2 than she had week 1?
Well, maybe explaining the situation like that does help, so here we go..
All Sally wants is to have the same amount of apples as Bill, since they both paid exactly the same amount of money for their two apples. Which, up until this point, were exactly the same two sets of apples, too. There was no practical difference between the two sets of apples.
And suddenly Bill has 8, while Sally has 4. Sally doesn't think that's fair at all! But Bill says Sally's just some entitled bitch who wants 4 apples for free. Sure, Bill got 4 apples for free, too. But those 4 free apples are totally different from the 4 apples that Sally wants for free. Totally.
Yeah.
Sally and Bill start with the same number of apples. Sally invests her 2 apples into Company A, while Bill invests his apples into Company B. After 2 years they both decide to sell their stock in the companies so they can retire. Sally's investment only yielded 4 apples, while Bill's investment yielded 8 apples. Sally was upset, but she accepts the fact that Bill made a better investment than her and decides to just be happy that she still has twice as many apples as when she started.
And they lived happily ever after.
The End.
Okay, you're seriously saying that people should be punished for putting different region versions of SC2 on the same b.net account?
They aren't being punished. They can still do everything they did previously.
They would have had more had they used different accounts. So yes, they are being punished.
No, I am being rewarded for being patient and waiting until they added global play. Now I only need one copy of WoL.
This feels just like Blizzards way of saying: Global play should have been available right with the launch of WoL. Guess they needed some featured for HotS ...
I can't understand why people are taking Blizzards side in this matter?! We who bought more than one account should get the benefits on bying two.. If I would have known this I would have registered my NA and EU copies on different email-addresses.
On January 28 2013 07:18 Elairec wrote: No, actually he should have 2 accounts and 8 playable "characters". Please just let this thread die because so many people aren't comprehending what the problem actually is.
It's not blizzard's fault he's an idiot. I have 3 copies of sc2. Guess what, they are all on different accounts. Because I knew this would happen. He bought the extra copies for the strict purpose of playing on other servers. They didn't take anything away by adding global play, they GAVE HIM MORE. Before global play, did he have 2 NA accounts? no. So he didn't lose anything, therefor blizzard doesn't owe him anything. He bought the accounts to play other servers, guess what, he was allowed to play on other servers. Aka he bought a product, and used it. having used said product, he is entitled to nothing more. As someone said earlier... Just because I bought the game day 1 for $60, and someone else didn't buy the game until just now for $40, it doesn't mean blizzard owes me $20 because the game is now cheaper. We buy things because we want to play something NOW, not in 2 years. You bought extra accounts so you could play other servers NOW. That's how things work. He literally lost nothing, and by not losing anything he is not owed anything.
Funny how he "literally lost nothing", yet both him and you bought exactly the same.. and here you are, having twice as many SC2 accounts as him. Must be magic happening.
Sally has 2 apples, and bill has 2 apples. A week later, Sally has 4 apples and Bill has 8 apples. How many fewer apples does Sally have week 2 than she had week 1?
Well, maybe explaining the situation like that does help, so here we go..
All Sally wants is to have the same amount of apples as Bill, since they both paid exactly the same amount of money for their two apples. Which, up until this point, were exactly the same two sets of apples, too. There was no practical difference between the two sets of apples.
And suddenly Bill has 8, while Sally has 4. Sally doesn't think that's fair at all! But Bill says Sally's just some entitled bitch who wants 4 apples for free. Sure, Bill got 4 apples for free, too. But those 4 free apples are totally different from the 4 apples that Sally wants for free. Totally.
Yeah.
Sally and Bill start with the same number of apples. Sally invests her 2 apples into Company A, while Bill invests his apples into Company B. After 2 years they both decide to sell their stock in the companies so they can retire. Sally's investment only yielded 4 apples, while Bill's investment yielded 8 apples. Sally was upset, but she accepts the fact that Bill made a better investment than her and decides to just be happy that she still has twice as many apples as when she started.
And they lived happily ever after.
The End.
Okay, you're seriously saying that people should be punished for putting different region versions of SC2 on the same b.net account?
If this is the case, perhaps they could give an 1 time access code which allows people to move the SC2 account to a new B.net account. You will have multiple b.net accounts but retain the unique game. But at the same time we knew this was coming but people paid extra anyway to play in different regions up to 2.5 years before the guy with one license.
I say just give people who have extra copies additional sc2 keys. Best case, this will result in additional HotS purchases (either by the same owner or a new player). Worst case, someone who would have just purchased WoL+HotS gets the free key and decides they don't want to buy HotS either?
NO NO NO ok now i am getting angry so much so that i just sent a ticket to Blizzard.
You need to STOP looking at it as what servers we had access to.
People like myself who had friends on BOTH sides of the pond were told CATAGORICALLY BY BLIZZARD that the ONLY way we would be able to enjoy both regions is to buy 2 copies .... now in my case i don't have a free SMURF account and btw its NOT free i bought and paid for 2 copies of the game regardless of region.
In my case both keys are on the SAME account just like WOW and anything else i have in that ilk because i do not smurf i just like to enjoy GAMING WITH FRIENDS ( i know shock horror right?).
I BOUGHT and PAID for 2 COPIES of the game until recently i showed as having 2 KEYS in my account now i only have 1 it doesn't matter about functionality something i bought and paid for has been taken away and when that is against your will in this country we call that THEFT!.
It is my opinion that if Blizzard has any decency they will credit the value of a standard WOL to all affected cases like this. That means they STILL get the cash and we can atleast get something for ours. Anyone who argues this either didn't buy 2 copies and thus didn't make the commitment and is talking in a complete comfort zone OR doesn't understand the simple principles of consumer rights.
I wanted to comment on the "NO NO NO" part, but I think that'd be a little more dick than I need to be.
Think of it this way, you purchase a game, 6 months later they start giving that game away with the system you purchased it for. That doesn't make you entitled to a free copy of the game, or equivalent monetary value.
It has nothing to do with decency, it has to do with a change of policy that ends up benefiting those who did not get a valuable service for the first 2+ years.
I purchased 4 total copies of WoL, 2 main server (one was for my brother, that prick never ended up playing) and 2 off server. I did this willingly, even after the rumors of global play started floating around (at least 1 copy). While I think it would be dick for them to not give me additional WoL accounts for my money, I don't think that I'm entitled to it as I went into the purchases knowing full-well what they meant.
This is no different from games selling copies and then going free to play, I didn't get any credit for the cost of The old Republic, or Aion, or any of the older wow expansions, or city of heroes, or dc universe etc. etc. etc. (I'm sure some of those went free to play after I purchased them). It's a simple change to business model that is nothing but beneficial for the future, it's just not good for the past.
Lol @ freebie logics You get what you pay for at the time that you get it, you can complain all you want later no one owes you anything. At the same time this does not stop blizzard from doing nice gestures, but don't act like you deserve it
OMG no wonder Blizzard are getting away with this ... would you STOP thinking of it as what region it gave access to and realise we bought and paid for 2 copies of the game in my case 1 physical! - i do not have 2 Bnet accounts with 1 game each on it i have 1 Bnet account which had 2 games on it and now 1
It wasnt a unified client either so stop selling this crap it was 2 seperate clients, 2 seperate downloads, 2 seperate keys, 2 seperate purchases ... but since you say "you guys" that tells me you didn't buy 2 keys so like i said it is very easy to sit there in your comfort zone being all smug but you are abolutely out your mind if you think that BUYING something and having it taken away against your will is ok. STOP looking at it as regions and realise 2 products were bought and we have had 1 taken away.
and Noobity my purchase dates will show i made MY purchases before Global Play was even a WHISPER. Did you bother to read what i said? Blizzard CATAGORICALLY before the launch of SC2 said you will need to buy 2 copies in order to play both regions. Some of us did it out of necessity.
This is pointless you are not actually reading what is being said you are reading as far as you can be arsed and then commenting from POV and situations that have already been made clear are NOT the same.
"Think of it this way, you purchase a game, 6 months later they start giving that game away with the system you purchased it for. That doesn't make you entitled to a free copy of the game, or equivalent monetary value."
- this ridiculous analogy proves how far you are not grasping what is being said .... you purchase a game and 6 months later they give it away for free its still ONE game .... you purchase 2 games and 6 months later they take one away ... THAT is what is happening is it really that hard to understand?
Yeah I'm gonna agree with everyone saying "you bought it however long ago and have been using and appreciating it since, it wasn't worthless"
So what if it's worthless when HotS comes out, no need to penny pinch when you've already gotten use out of it. It's like buying a pizza from Domino's and eating 3/4 of it then returning the last 1/4 and saying "I didn't really like it".
An extra name change or something would be neat, but I wouldn't say it's expected of them to provide anything as retribution.
You know what the amount of complacency and sheer ignorance being displayed here confirms EXACTLY why Blizzard thought that region locking Starcraft 2 was ok in the first place.
You buy 2 cars, one Stock and one Formula for 2 different races ... years later they unify the race its a mix car race they pick a car at random and CRUSH it .... are you seriously going to tell me that you would allow SOMEONE ELSE to DESTROY something YOU bought with the attitude "i had my moneys worth" ...?
On February 08 2013 13:41 QuackPocketDuck wrote: Lol @ freebie logics You get what you pay for at the time that you get it, you can complain all you want later no one owes you anything. At the same time this does not stop blizzard from doing nice gestures, but don't act like you deserve it
Exactly this.
I cannot understand the logic that Blizzard has "stolen" something from those who are complaining. They just want extra. I don`t see anything lost. They bought an extra copy to play in a different region....that is it. And with global play, they still have that option (and other regions). All this extra key bullshit is non-sense, since you didn`t buy it in anticipation of global play and bought it on the same account.
I can`t imagine a world where customers are given compensation for things they buy in the past, and then goes on sale in the future. I sure as hell was not complaining when TF2 became F2P despite originally buying that game. I got what I wanted at that time and I cannot predict the future.
omg ... this ignorance is staggering .... Mango you BOUGHT a single licence to own TF2 and you KEPT a licence to own TF2 free or not i totally agree when it went F2P i had the same attitude
Please understand it is NOT the same ... by YOUR logic i have bought NA and EU both NA is now Global EU is now Global so i should have 2!!!! Global accounts .... if i did i wouldn't be saying anything here but i DO NOT have 2 i have 1!!!!
That is it end of story i bought 2 licences, 2 keys, 2 accounts region is moot they were 2 separate licences and now i am reduced to 1 it doesnt matter what id use the 2nd one for now doesnt matter if it is even OF use the fact is i BOUGHT it i should atleast HAVE IT! END OF STORY!
I don't actually mind too much, I bought two copies because i wanted to play in two regions, now I can do that with one.
They should credit people who had two keys before with an extra WoL account though, like how you can have 2 WoW accounts on your bnet account. I can see where people are coming from on that one, it feels kinda wrong to see one account disappear.
On February 08 2013 13:30 BlackGosu wrote: you guys had the luxury of playing on multiple regions before global play. so no, you guys shouldnt deserve anything
On February 08 2013 13:31 Noobity wrote: Think of it this way, you purchase a game, 6 months later they start giving that game away with the system you purchased it for. That doesn't make you entitled to a free copy of the game, or equivalent monetary value.
On February 08 2013 13:41 QuackPocketDuck wrote: Lol @ freebie logics You get what you pay for at the time that you get it, you can complain all you want later no one owes you anything. At the same time this does not stop blizzard from doing nice gestures, but don't act like you deserve it
On February 08 2013 13:49 Grobyc wrote: Yeah I'm gonna agree with everyone saying "you bought it however long ago and have been using and appreciating it since, it wasn't worthless"
So what if it's worthless when HotS comes out, no need to penny pinch when you've already gotten use out of it. It's like buying a pizza from Domino's and eating 3/4 of it then returning the last 1/4 and saying "I didn't really like it".
Is this real life?
On February 08 2013 15:46 Conti wrote: Person A buys 1 extra WoL copy. He registers it on his original battle.net account. He now has 2 WoL copies.
Person B buys 1 extra WoL copy. He registers it on a new battle.net account. He now has 2 WoL copies.
Global play comes along.
Person A has paid for 2 WoL copies and now has 1 WoL copy.
Person B has paid for 2 WoL copies and now has 2 WoL copies.
Get it now?
Thanks for your post, but if statistics prove anything, it still won't clear anything for most people who barely read 1 out of 10 words.
If anyone had any ticket-responses on this issue, let us know here. Cheers
Well people just assume that Blizzard does not implement something in Global Play for accounts with two licences so u can use them both. Global Play isn't even released yet officially
I have the same problem and asked the support if i should make a new account and add there the key or if i should add the second key to the same account: their answer back then (about 1,5yrs back): I should add it to the same account since they dont plan on implementing global play.
Obviously i lold pretty hard a few weeks back when they finally added global play. -.-
On February 08 2013 15:46 Conti wrote: Person A buys 1 extra WoL copy. He registers it on his original battle.net account. He now has 2 WoL copies.
Person B buys 1 extra WoL copy. He registers it on a new battle.net account. He now has 2 WoL copies.
Global play comes along.
Person A has paid for 2 WoL copies and now has 1 WoL copy.
Person B has paid for 2 WoL copies and now has 2 WoL copies.
Get it now?
This doesn't make any sense. Both people will have 2 WoL copies, but Person A will have them both on the same battle.net account. It's the same as with poeple who have multiple WoW accounts, when you login you can choose which game account you want to use. Person B would have the ability to give away his second battle.net account but this isn't allowed anyway.
If you want to transfer one of your copies because you don't need it anymore you have to call Blizzard and ask if they'll do it.
http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/sc2eula.html No Transfer or Sublicense. THE GAME IS LICENSED, NOT SOLD. NEITHER THE GAME NOR THE LICENSE GRANTED IN SECTION 1 MAY BE SUBLICENSED OR TRANSFERRED TO ANY OTHER PERSON OR ENTITY, AND ANY ATTEMPT TO DO SO SHALL BE NULL AND VOID. If a court of competent jurisdiction finds the foregoing sentence to be unenforceable, you agree that you will call Blizzard Customer Service at 1-800-592-5499 to arrange for the transfer of your rights under this Agreement to another person with a valid Battle.net account; provided, however, that Blizzard may charge a processing/handling fee to facilitate the transfer, issue a unique key to the transferee, and remove the preexisting key from the Battle.net account registered to you.
In e.g.Germany this shouldn't be any problem at all.
On February 08 2013 20:25 Targe wrote: How many people are honestly planning on spending much time in WoL when HoTS comes out, this won't really matter will it?
How many people with multiple accounts on THE SAME server buy multiple copies of HotS? (I won't, but some will - people who purchased multiple sc2 copies on the same account don't have to purchase multiple HotS accounts, but some of them might now want multiple accounts on the same server.)
On February 08 2013 15:46 Conti wrote: Person A buys 1 extra WoL copy. He registers it on his original battle.net account. He now has 2 WoL copies.
Person B buys 1 extra WoL copy. He registers it on a new battle.net account. He now has 2 WoL copies.
Global play comes along.
Person A has paid for 2 WoL copies and now has 1 WoL copy.
Person B has paid for 2 WoL copies and now has 2 WoL copies.
Get it now?
This doesn't make any sense. Both people will have 2 WoL copies, but Person A will have them both on the same battle.net account. It's the same as with poeple who have multiple WoW accounts, when you login you can choose which game account you want to use. Person B would have the ability to give away his second battle.net account but this isn't allowed anyway.
If you want to transfer one of your copies because you don't need it anymore you have to call Blizzard and ask if they'll do it.
http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/legal/sc2eula.html No Transfer or Sublicense. THE GAME IS LICENSED, NOT SOLD. NEITHER THE GAME NOR THE LICENSE GRANTED IN SECTION 1 MAY BE SUBLICENSED OR TRANSFERRED TO ANY OTHER PERSON OR ENTITY, AND ANY ATTEMPT TO DO SO SHALL BE NULL AND VOID. If a court of competent jurisdiction finds the foregoing sentence to be unenforceable, you agree that you will call Blizzard Customer Service at 1-800-592-5499 to arrange for the transfer of your rights under this Agreement to another person with a valid Battle.net account; provided, however, that Blizzard may charge a processing/handling fee to facilitate the transfer, issue a unique key to the transferee, and remove the preexisting key from the Battle.net account registered to you.
In e.g.Germany this shouldn't be any problem at all.
Person A has paid for 2 WoL copies and now has 1 WoL copy for each region.
Person B has paid for 2 WoL copies and now has 2 WoL copies for each region.
Conti you are wasting your time, the amount of ignorance and complacency i have seen in here since lastnight is mind blowing ... but it is lucky there are people who go the extra mile in the world and DONT sit and take it. We are the ones that make things happen -
BLIZZARD COMPLETELY AGREE WITH ME!!! you can stop condescending, mocking, and treating people in my position like self entitled idiots now because the people who SUPPLY the services i have in question COMPLETELY AGREE and i have been advised to get back in touch if i am not compensated when Global Play is finalized.
Keep rolling over and taking it up the backside, some of us FULLY understand our rights as a consumer and have no problem exercising them. $60 to one person is 10x that to another you all need to wake up!
I had 2 copies - 1 cheap with localization locked and 1 full version. I can still log in with both via client and the cheap one is not even language locked anymore.
On February 06 2013 21:49 Frosthaze wrote: I can't understand why people are taking Blizzards side in this matter?! We who bought more than one account should get the benefits on bying two.. If I would have known this I would have registered my NA and EU copies on different email-addresses.
Edit: I don't expect a Hots copy ofc.
I don't understand this logic at all...the level of entitlement is just mind blowing.
You don't lose anything with the introduction of global play. Before its introduction you were able to play on both NA and EU on the same email. After its introduction you are able to play on both NA and EU. They haven't taken anything away from you and they sure as hell shouldn't have to give you anything just because they have allowed global play for everyone else.
Using the same entitled 'gimme something for nothing' logic that you use, because I paid ~$90 for WoL when it was released, and with the price now being ~$50 (in my country) I should be entitled to a $40 refund! Unfortunately it doesn't work that way; you have had the last 2 years to enjoy the benefits of multiple accounts and you sure as hell aren't losing anything from this, so you are entitled to nothing.
On February 06 2013 21:49 Frosthaze wrote: I can't understand why people are taking Blizzards side in this matter?! We who bought more than one account should get the benefits on bying two.. If I would have known this I would have registered my NA and EU copies on different email-addresses.
Edit: I don't expect a Hots copy ofc.
I don't understand this logic at all...the level of entitlement is just mind blowing.
You don't lose anything with the introduction of global play. Before its introduction you were able to play on both NA and EU on the same email. After its introduction you are able to play on both NA and EU. They haven't taken anything away from you and they sure as hell shouldn't have to give you anything just because they have allowed global play for everyone else.
Using the same entitled 'gimme something for nothing' logic that you use, because I paid ~$90 for WoL when it was released, and with the price now being ~$50 (in my country) I should be entitled to a $40 refund! Unfortunately it doesn't work that way; you have had the last 2 years to enjoy the benefits of multiple accounts and you sure as hell aren't losing anything from this, so you are entitled to nothing.
Person A buys 1 extra WoL copy. He registers it on his original battle.net account. He now has 2 WoL copies.
Person B buys 1 extra WoL copy. He registers it on a new battle.net account. He now has 2 WoL copies.
Global play comes along.
Person A has paid for 2 WoL copies and now has 1 WoL copy per region.
Person B has paid for 2 WoL copies and now has 2 WoL copies per region.
Hey, maybe if I repeat myself often enough, people will figure out what this is all actually about? One can hope..
On February 06 2013 21:49 Frosthaze wrote: I can't understand why people are taking Blizzards side in this matter?! We who bought more than one account should get the benefits on bying two.. If I would have known this I would have registered my NA and EU copies on different email-addresses.
Edit: I don't expect a Hots copy ofc.
I don't understand this logic at all...the level of entitlement is just mind blowing.
You don't lose anything with the introduction of global play. Before its introduction you were able to play on both NA and EU on the same email. After its introduction you are able to play on both NA and EU. They haven't taken anything away from you and they sure as hell shouldn't have to give you anything just because they have allowed global play for everyone else.
Using the same entitled 'gimme something for nothing' logic that you use, because I paid ~$90 for WoL when it was released, and with the price now being ~$50 (in my country) I should be entitled to a $40 refund! Unfortunately it doesn't work that way; you have had the last 2 years to enjoy the benefits of multiple accounts and you sure as hell aren't losing anything from this, so you are entitled to nothing.
Person A buys 1 extra WoL copy. He registers it on his original battle.net account. He now has 2 WoL copies.
Person B buys 1 extra WoL copy. He registers it on a new battle.net account. He now has 2 WoL copies.
Global play comes along.
Person A has paid for 2 WoL copies and now has 1 WoL copy per region.
Person B has paid for 2 WoL copies and now has 2 WoL copies per region.
Hey, maybe if I repeat myself often enough, people will figure out what this is all actually about? One can hope..
Actually in your first scenario 'Person A buys 1 extra WoL copy. He registers it on his original battle.net account. He now has 2 WoL copies' he actually only has 1 WoL copy, just on 2 different regions. After global play, he still only has 1 WoL copy, and still only has it on 2 regions. The fact that paid for 2 back in 2010 is irrelevant, he has enjoyed the benefits of multiple servers for the last 2 years and he isn't losing anything. What happens to the person B who bought 2 different copies on 2 different email addresses doesn't actually affect person A, since A is in the same position before and after the introduction.
On January 27 2013 07:35 figq wrote: Ah, but you got something - you got another region play - at a time when others who only bought one copy couldn't get it. At that time that luxury was expensive. Now it's cheaper.
I must interrupt. Global play is not a luxury, it is a standard feature in all PC games of which StarCraft 2 was stripped to customers' harm. Please do not turn a deficiency into a norm.
Lol, there is no 'standard feature' that all video games must have and comply with, lest they be damned to video game hell. You knew there was no global play when WoL was released and you purchased it anyway. If you didn't like the lack of global play you shouldn't have bought WoL.
Edit: Let me illustrate with an example
Person A buys WoL at release for $90 Person B buys WoL one month ago for $50. According to your logic, person A should receive a $40 refund, so that all is fair amongst consumers despite a change in circumstances, despite the fact person A willingly purchased a copy at that price and has enjoyed the product since.
On February 08 2013 23:12 Kakaru2 wrote: Ryder, can't you read at all.
One person buys 20 SC2. It registers them on DIFFERENT emails. global Play comes and this person STILL HAS 20 ACCOUNTS.
BUT
if that person registered his 20 accounts on the SAME EMAIL, then, Global Play comes and this person NOW HAS 1 (ONE) ACCOUNT!
No, it is you who can't read.
They still have as many accounts as there are servers (20 is a nonsensical number anyway since you can't have more than 1 account per server per email...)
The fact that somebody else now has more does not change what you have. You have exactly the same thing! Unfortunately your envy is not a valid reason for 'free HOTS copy' (lol? really?)
On February 08 2013 23:17 Kakaru2 wrote: YES you can have more accounts per same email. You can have: 1 NA 1 EU 1 CN 1 SEA 1 KR 1 TW 1 Latin America (if you bought it at start)
Can you count now the accounts LOST?
FFS I will state this once more as simple as I can.
You still have the same number of accounts. The same! With global play you can play on NA, EU, CN, SEA, KR, TW and Latin America using the 1 email address. This is EXACTLY the same as what you could do before.
You aren't losing anything! What part of this is so hard for you to understand?
Edit: And I'm sorry but Blizzard isn't out to make things 'fair' between consumers who paid for multiple copies on the 1 email address vs those who spread them across a few. They aren't your fucking parents trying to even things out between siblings! To make things fair they would either have to remove the smurfs of those with multiple accounts on different emails (completely impractical and unviable) or give everyone with multiple regions free copies to even it up that way (another completely unreasonable request). You haven't lost anything, so why the fuck do you think Blizzard have some sort of obligation to give you free stuff? Just because the guy across the road got it? Get real.
On February 08 2013 23:17 Kakaru2 wrote: YES you can have more accounts per same email. You can have: 1 NA 1 EU 1 CN 1 SEA 1 KR 1 TW 1 Latin America (if you bought it at start)
Can you count now the accounts LOST?
FFS I will state this once more as simple as I can.
You still have the same number of accounts. The same! With global play you can play on NA, EU, CN, SEA, KR, TW and Latin America using the 1 email address. This is EXACTLY the same as what you could do before.
You aren't losing anything! What part of this is so hard for you to understand?
1 person buys 10 copies of SC2 on one account, and after Global Play he only has 1 copy left.
1 person buys 10 copies of SC2 on ten accounts, and after Global Play he has 10 copies left.
So with that mentality OP could also ask clothing shops to compensate him when there are reductions on a piece of clothes that he already bought earlier.
Or if someone buys a car right now, which price is reduced one year later, would it be normal for him to ask a compensation?
On February 08 2013 23:17 Kakaru2 wrote: YES you can have more accounts per same email. You can have: 1 NA 1 EU 1 CN 1 SEA 1 KR 1 TW 1 Latin America (if you bought it at start)
Can you count now the accounts LOST?
FFS I will state this once more as simple as I can.
You still have the same number of accounts. The same! With global play you can play on NA, EU, CN, SEA, KR, TW and Latin America using the 1 email address. This is EXACTLY the same as what you could do before.
You aren't losing anything! What part of this is so hard for you to understand?
1 person buys 10 copies of SC2 on one account, and after Global Play he only has 1 copy left.
1 person buys 10 copies of SC2 on ten accounts, and after Global Play he has 10 copies left.
Exactly the same thing, Ryderlogic ftw
Unfortunately you repeating the same flawed logic isn't strengthening your argument. Person 1 has the option to play on 10 different servers under the same email address (effectively 10 accounts) just like before, and Blizzard doesn't give a shit if you don't think its 'fair' because you haven't lost anything. Read my edit, I'm done bickering with you.
Buying an account and buying the ability to play on a particular server is one and the same thing before global play. You aren't entitled to a refund just because circumstances change. Just be happy you don't have to purchase HOTS for all your different servers ffs, and stop expecting life to throw you freebies all the time.
OMG, there's a saying around here, if one guy tells you you're drunk you have the right to doubt that. When more people tell you you're drunk then you fuckin go to bed because you are drunk.
How more simple do we all need to explain it to you, Ryder?
A buys an SC2 for 50 USD. He now has 1 account. He can play on only ONE server. Global play comes and A can now plays on ALL servers.
B buys 2 SC2 for 100 USD. One for US and one for EU. he registers them to 1@gmail.com and 2@gmail.com. He now has 2 accounts. Global play comes and B can now plays on ALL servers on BOTH 1@gmail.com AND 2@gmail.com. He now has 2 TWO accounts.
C buys 2 SC2 for 100 USD. One for US and one for EU. He registers them on same email 1@gmail.com. He now has 2 accounts. Global play comes and C can now plays on ALL servers on ONE SINGLE FUCKING ACCOUNT 1@gmail.com. He now has 1 ONE account only.
We are not comparing A to C. We are talking about B and C. If you are the A person and are full of envy why we bought 2 accounts then please stop talking.
We paid 2/3/4 accounts and now we want the SAME as B. 2/3/4 accounts. OR CALL THEM EMAILS if accounts somehow make you nervous. AND these are WOL accounts, if we want to buy HOTS for all of the emails or just for one this is our problem not yours.
On February 08 2013 23:35 Kakaru2 wrote: OMG, there's a saying around here, if one guy tells you you're drunk you have the right to doubt that. When more people tell you you're drunk then you fuckin go to bed because you are drunk.
How more simple do we all need to explain it to you, Ryder?
A buys an SC2 for 50 USD. He now has 1 account. He can play on only ONE server. Global play comes and A can now plays on ALL servers.
B buys 2 SC2 for 100 USD. One for US and one for EU. he registers them to 1@gmail.com and 2@gmail.com. He now has 2 accounts. Global play comes and B can now plays on ALL servers on BOTH 1@gmail.com AND 2@gmail.com. He now has 2 TWO accounts.
C buys 2 SC2 for 100 USD. One for US and one for EU. He registers them on same email 1@gmail.com. He now has 2 accounts. Global play comes and C can now plays on ALL servers on ONE SINGLE FUCKING ACCOUNT 1@gmail.com. He now has 1 ONE account only.
We are not comparing A to C. We are talking about B and C. If you are the A person and are full of envy why we bought 2 accounts then please stop talking.
We paid 2/3/4 accounts and now we want the SAME as B. 2/3/4 accounts. OR CALL THEM EMAILS is accounts somehow make nervous. AND these are WOL accounts, if we want to buy HOTS for all of th emails or just for one this is our problem not yours.
Why can't person C play on both accounts, given that when logging in he would have a dropdown to chose between SC#1 and SC#2, the same it is for every other game you have multiple copies of in battle.net?
To be honest I can't help but feel that if they OP hadn't phrased it as "we paid extra, give us free stuff" and saying free copies of their new game is "reasonable" then there wouldn't be such a huge argument going on.
Because for SC2 that option is NOT yet introduced. This is EXACTLY what we are asking Blizzard for, not some freebies that Ryder guy keep inventing we supposedly want. He is stuck up in his A vs C rhetoric when we are discussing B vs C case.
It was a terrible model to begin with, blizzard dropped the ball so many times with the rationale of sc2 dropping core features from sc1 missing chat channels, missing replay sharing, multi region, free account names, simple custom game. Personally I only owe one copy but I believe they must compensate those that paid extra and a free HotS upgrade seems fair or bnet credit to the account at the least.
It all boils down to the most likely scenario being If you have multiple copies of WoL on your battle.net ID, you're likely going to be able to login to both of those accounts come the official global play merger. You wont be receiving any money, you wont be getting any apologies, that's simply business.
There's no "taking it up the ass" there's no "we're getting hoodwinked!" it's simply business. You don't have to like it, but I guarantee the combined apathy of the silent majority will be a huge factor in their decision.
I for one don't feel that there is anything wrong with what's going on, and I'm insulted if you feel that my belief involves me "sitting there and taking it up the ass". You're more than welcome to believe that they're doing something shady, but that's about all there is to it. There's plenty of precedent showing that what they're doing is fine.
To top it all off, we don't even know for certain what they're doing. There's so much complaining and anger going on when we aren't even certain what exactly they'll do.
On February 06 2013 21:49 Frosthaze wrote: I can't understand why people are taking Blizzards side in this matter?! We who bought more than one account should get the benefits on bying two.. If I would have known this I would have registered my NA and EU copies on different email-addresses.
Edit: I don't expect a Hots copy ofc.
I don't understand this logic at all...the level of entitlement is just mind blowing.
You don't lose anything with the introduction of global play. Before its introduction you were able to play on both NA and EU on the same email. After its introduction you are able to play on both NA and EU. They haven't taken anything away from you and they sure as hell shouldn't have to give you anything just because they have allowed global play for everyone else.
Using the same entitled 'gimme something for nothing' logic that you use, because I paid ~$90 for WoL when it was released, and with the price now being ~$50 (in my country) I should be entitled to a $40 refund! Unfortunately it doesn't work that way; you have had the last 2 years to enjoy the benefits of multiple accounts and you sure as hell aren't losing anything from this, so you are entitled to nothing.
Person A buys 1 extra WoL copy. He registers it on his original battle.net account. He now has 2 WoL copies.
Person B buys 1 extra WoL copy. He registers it on a new battle.net account. He now has 2 WoL copies.
Global play comes along.
Person A has paid for 2 WoL copies and now has 1 WoL copy per region.
Person B has paid for 2 WoL copies and now has 2 WoL copies per region.
Hey, maybe if I repeat myself often enough, people will figure out what this is all actually about? One can hope..
Actually in your first scenario 'Person A buys 1 extra WoL copy. He registers it on his original battle.net account. He now has 2 WoL copies' he actually only has 1 WoL copy, just on 2 different regions. After global play, he still only has 1 WoL copy, and still only has it on 2 regions. The fact that paid for 2 back in 2010 is irrelevant, he has enjoyed the benefits of multiple servers for the last 2 years and he isn't losing anything. What happens to the person B who bought 2 different copies on 2 different email addresses doesn't actually affect person A, since A is in the same position before and after the introduction.
Yeah. And if Blizzard bans your account today for no apparent reason, my account will be in the same position as before. So Blizzard banning you for no reason is perfectly fine. Perfect logic right there.
On February 09 2013 00:16 Noobity wrote: It all boils down to the most likely scenario being If you have multiple copies of WoL on your battle.net ID, you're likely going to be able to login to both of those accounts come the official global play merger. You wont be receiving any money, you wont be getting any apologies, that's simply business.
And that's all people are asking for.
On February 09 2013 00:16 Noobity wrote: There's no "taking it up the ass" there's no "we're getting hoodwinked!" it's simply business. You don't have to like it, but I guarantee the combined apathy of the silent majority will be a huge factor in their decision.
And that's precisely why people should not be quiet about this, and not being quiet about this should be supported until we know for sure that things work out.
On February 06 2013 21:49 Frosthaze wrote: I can't understand why people are taking Blizzards side in this matter?! We who bought more than one account should get the benefits on bying two.. If I would have known this I would have registered my NA and EU copies on different email-addresses.
Edit: I don't expect a Hots copy ofc.
I don't understand this logic at all...the level of entitlement is just mind blowing.
You don't lose anything with the introduction of global play. Before its introduction you were able to play on both NA and EU on the same email. After its introduction you are able to play on both NA and EU. They haven't taken anything away from you and they sure as hell shouldn't have to give you anything just because they have allowed global play for everyone else.
Using the same entitled 'gimme something for nothing' logic that you use, because I paid ~$90 for WoL when it was released, and with the price now being ~$50 (in my country) I should be entitled to a $40 refund! Unfortunately it doesn't work that way; you have had the last 2 years to enjoy the benefits of multiple accounts and you sure as hell aren't losing anything from this, so you are entitled to nothing.
Person A buys 1 extra WoL copy. He registers it on his original battle.net account. He now has 2 WoL copies.
Person B buys 1 extra WoL copy. He registers it on a new battle.net account. He now has 2 WoL copies.
Global play comes along.
Person A has paid for 2 WoL copies and now has 1 WoL copy per region.
Person B has paid for 2 WoL copies and now has 2 WoL copies per region.
Hey, maybe if I repeat myself often enough, people will figure out what this is all actually about? One can hope..
Question: Did person A buy a separate WoL copy in order to play in another region and did person B buy a separate WoL copy in order to have a smurf account? If yes, then both still get what they wished for after global play and there shouldn't be a problem.
(serious question, since I have no clue how this multiregioning and smurf accounting worked)
On February 06 2013 21:49 Frosthaze wrote: I can't understand why people are taking Blizzards side in this matter?! We who bought more than one account should get the benefits on bying two.. If I would have known this I would have registered my NA and EU copies on different email-addresses.
Edit: I don't expect a Hots copy ofc.
I don't understand this logic at all...the level of entitlement is just mind blowing.
You don't lose anything with the introduction of global play. Before its introduction you were able to play on both NA and EU on the same email. After its introduction you are able to play on both NA and EU. They haven't taken anything away from you and they sure as hell shouldn't have to give you anything just because they have allowed global play for everyone else.
Using the same entitled 'gimme something for nothing' logic that you use, because I paid ~$90 for WoL when it was released, and with the price now being ~$50 (in my country) I should be entitled to a $40 refund! Unfortunately it doesn't work that way; you have had the last 2 years to enjoy the benefits of multiple accounts and you sure as hell aren't losing anything from this, so you are entitled to nothing.
Person A buys 1 extra WoL copy. He registers it on his original battle.net account. He now has 2 WoL copies.
Person B buys 1 extra WoL copy. He registers it on a new battle.net account. He now has 2 WoL copies.
Global play comes along.
Person A has paid for 2 WoL copies and now has 1 WoL copy per region.
Person B has paid for 2 WoL copies and now has 2 WoL copies per region.
Hey, maybe if I repeat myself often enough, people will figure out what this is all actually about? One can hope..
Question: Did person A buy a separate WoL copy in order to play in another region and did person B buy a separate WoL copy in order to have a smurf account? If yes, then both still get what they wished for after global play and there shouldn't be a problem.
(serious question, since I have no clue how this multiregioning and smurf accounting worked)
A lot of people combined the two and bought a separate WoL account to smurf on a new region (might as well get a new region for the money), though I'm not sure how the intentions should matter here. What should matter is that everyone should end up with exactly as many accounts as they originally bought.
On February 08 2013 23:17 Kakaru2 wrote: YES you can have more accounts per same email. You can have: 1 NA 1 EU 1 CN 1 SEA 1 KR 1 TW 1 Latin America (if you bought it at start)
Can you count now the accounts LOST?
FFS I will state this once more as simple as I can.
You still have the same number of accounts. The same! With global play you can play on NA, EU, CN, SEA, KR, TW and Latin America using the 1 email address. This is EXACTLY the same as what you could do before.
You aren't losing anything! What part of this is so hard for you to understand?
1 person buys 10 copies of SC2 on one account, and after Global Play he only has 1 copy left.
1 person buys 10 copies of SC2 on ten accounts, and after Global Play he has 10 copies left.
Exactly the same thing, Ryderlogic ftw
Unfortunately you repeating the same flawed logic isn't strengthening your argument. Person 1 has the option to play on 10 different servers under the same email address (effectively 10 accounts) just like before, and Blizzard doesn't give a shit if you don't think its 'fair' because you haven't lost anything. Read my edit, I'm done bickering with you.
Buying an account and buying the ability to play on a particular server is one and the same thing before global play. You aren't entitled to a refund just because circumstances change. Just be happy you don't have to purchase HOTS for all your different servers ffs, and stop expecting life to throw you freebies all the time.
You still don't get it do you? It isn't flawed logic. How about we do it like this....
1) Say I buy 10 copies of WoL and register them to one email address. Blizzard is effectively saying that I now own ONE copy of the game and saying the other 9 don't exist and can play on all servers.
2) Say I buy just ONE copy of WoL and register it to one email address. Blizzard is of course saying that I own ONE copy of the game and I can play on all of the servers.
3) Now, if I buy 10 copies of WoL and register them each to their own separate e-mail addresses, Blizzard is now saying that I still own all 10 copies. But they can play on all servers on EVERY email address that is registered.
Do you see where the problem is now? The guy in scenario one BOUGHT the same number of copies of the game, but Blizzard is ONLY letting them use ONE account because they registered them to ONE email. Thats why people want their money back.
Imagine if you bought 10 apples and put them in one basket, then someone else bought 10 apples and put them all in their own individual basket. Now imagine that someone tells you that you can only eat one apple per basket. One guy gets to eat all 10, while you can only eat one EVEN THOUGH YOU PAID FOR 10!
I actually have a US account with all my games, a seperate EU account on a seperate email as well as a seperate KR account on a seperate email. So now I have 3 accounts that can access any region, I'm not pissed at all, I will probably just sell them if anything.
Lol at the fact that this is even an issue.... do people feel entitled to reimbursement for every lol decision they make? (buying another account just for regional access? just borrow from a friend imo)
You pay the price in more ways than one get over it.
Unfortunately you repeating the same flawed logic isn't strengthening your argument. Person 1 has the option to play on 10 different servers under the same email address (effectively 10 accounts) just like before, and Blizzard doesn't give a shit if you don't think its 'fair' because you haven't lost anything. Read my edit, I'm done bickering with you.
Buying an account and buying the ability to play on a particular server is one and the same thing before global play. You aren't entitled to a refund just because circumstances change. Just be happy you don't have to purchase HOTS for all your different servers ffs, and stop expecting life to throw you freebies all the time.
You wanna talk about flawed logic?
You login via your EMAIL associated to your Bnet account and password respectively .... how the HELL do you have the option to access 10 accounts with these login credentials ??? do you work for Blizzard? are they adding the option to select profiles and accounts? if so this is news to me and i would have you quote the official word if you are not with Blizz.
I ask this because if it is 1 single client, and i pick region and then login how exactly under the current system do i select which of the 10 accounts i wish to use? or are you just talking out your arse and making this stuff up while making statements like "flawed logic" when yours is just stupid?
I think people should stop freaking out until Blizzard made an official release note on WoL global play. It is true now you only have 1 copy of WoL under your B.net account. For me it went from WoL (US), WoL(TW) into WoL (Global) two copies to one. However, when I logged into my HotS beta, I still had the choice of logging in as two different identity. Maybe they will do the same thing for WoL when global play is officially released. Eitherway, Blizzard probably will not refund our money, but its not hard for them to e-mail us a code to redeem another WoL account under a different e-mail.
Blizz wants you money and once they have it they will never ever give it back. Why would they? They're silly schemes have people paying for multiple copies of the same game, or buying items with real money that are worth nothing online. The Blizzard business model is milk the customer as much as they can since through copyright law no one can compete with them.
On February 09 2013 06:22 algorithm0r wrote: Blizz wants you money and once they have it they will never ever give it back. Why would they? They're silly schemes have people paying for multiple copies of the same game, or buying items with real money that are worth nothing online. The Blizzard business model is milk the customer as much as they can since through copyright law no one can compete with them.
It is not the same game. If the items are worth nothing, how are you made to buy them? Copyright law has nothing to do with it. So many things wrong with posts like this ><
With two copies on one account you had access to TWO servers. Now you get access to MORE than two servers. This is only an extra feature to you, gives you more access, it just doesn't benefit you as much as the people who had one copy.
You buy a laptop for $500, a month later it goes on sale for $400, does that make you entitled for a $100 refund? No.
Seriously, I don't understand how people cannot understand, this is just simple logic.
Poll: What should be done?
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Small compensation (extra portrait, MLG membership, etc) (3)
On February 09 2013 06:49 FiWiFaKi wrote: I think people aren't getting this.
With two copies on one account you had access to TWO servers. Now you get access to MORE than two servers. This is only an extra feature to you, gives you more access, it just doesn't benefit you as much as the people who had one copy.
You buy a laptop for $500, a month later it goes on sale for $400, does that make you entitled for a $100 refund? No.
Seriously, I don't understand how people cannot understand, this is just simple logical.
Poll: What should be done?
Nothing. (35)
85%
Free HotS copy. (3)
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Small compensation (extra portrait, MLG membership, etc) (3)
On February 09 2013 06:49 FiWiFaKi wrote: I think people aren't getting this.
With two copies on one account you had access to TWO servers. Now you get access to MORE than two servers. This is only an extra feature to you, gives you more access, it just doesn't benefit you as much as the people who had one copy.
You buy a laptop for $500, a month later it goes on sale for $400, does that make you entitled for a $100 refund? No.
Seriously, I don't understand how people cannot understand, this is just simple logical.
Poll: What should be done?
Nothing. (35)
85%
Free HotS copy. (3)
7%
Small compensation (extra portrait, MLG membership, etc) (3)
Not the same logic at all. Regardless if it was a different region or not. I bought TWO copies, I expect to have global play on TWO copies, not ONE.
How about this for an analogy.
You buy an Ipod for $100 and a Phone for $100, as the phone can't play music. The phone company makes a free software change that allows you to play music on your phone. Does that entitle you to two phones or what? A $100 discount? Point is, person who bought the phone and spent $100 has the exact same stuff as the person who spent $200 on an ipod and phone. The person with the ipod just has a useless device now, just as you have a useless copy of the game.
You had two accounts on totally separate servers, unable to interact with them, having them bound to one account, what entitles you to a free feature to have two separate accounts now from one account. You have just as much as you had before and more, so why are you complaining?
You do have two copies of global play, you just made the decision to put them on the same account, that's not Blizzard's problem though.
I think Blizzard offers more support than 99.9% of games out there, spending time on their game 3 years after beta. They put up with enough of our shit already of everyone complaining about everything, even when they give us more new features that are free. Give them a break, they are in no way responsible for this. Every change in life will benefit one more than the other, doesn't mean both people don't benefit though. Blizzard doesn't deserve the short end of the stick every time.
On February 09 2013 06:49 FiWiFaKi wrote: I think people aren't getting this.
With two copies on one account you had access to TWO servers. Now you get access to MORE than two servers. This is only an extra feature to you, gives you more access, it just doesn't benefit you as much as the people who had one copy.
You buy a laptop for $500, a month later it goes on sale for $400, does that make you entitled for a $100 refund? No.
Seriously, I don't understand how people cannot understand, this is just simple logical.
Poll: What should be done?
Nothing. (35)
85%
Free HotS copy. (3)
7%
Small compensation (extra portrait, MLG membership, etc) (3)
Not the same logic at all. Regardless if it was a different region or not. I bought TWO copies, I expect to have global play on TWO copies, not ONE.
How about this for an analogy.
You buy an Ipod for $100 and a Phone for $100, as the phone can't play music. The phone company makes a free software change that allows you to play music on your phone. Does that entitle you to two phones or what? A $100 discount? Point is, person who bought the phone and spent $100 has the exact same stuff as the person who spent $200 on an ipod and phone. The person with the ipod just has a useless device now, just as you have a useless copy of the game.
You had two accounts on totally separate servers, unable to interact with them, having them bound to one account, what entitles you to a free feature to have two separate accounts now from one account. You have just as much as you had before and more, so why are you complaining?
You do have two copies of global play, you just made the decision to put them on the same account, that's not Blizzard's problem though.
I think Blizzard offers more support than 99.9% of games out there, spending time on their game 3 years after beta. They put up with enough of our shit already of everyone complaining about everything, even when they give us more new features that are free. Give them a break, they are in no way responsible for this. Every change in life will benefit one more than the other, doesn't mean both people don't benefit though. Blizzard doesn't deserve the short end of the stick every time.
You are STILL off the mark and your analogy does not even make sense. You can STILL use the phone, and you can STILL use the iPod. Where as with the game, I CANT use a copy of the game that I PURCHASED because they are both on the same e-mail which is ridiculous.
I was arguing about this in the beginning of this thread and still people seem to not get it no matter how many times you try and explain it. Either they are being intentionally stupid, or just genuinely confused as to the real issue. It also doesn't help that the OP hasnt been re formatted in a way to represent the real issue. Just let this thread die already. I'm awaiting an answer via ticket response and I will update when they answer it.
You do have two copies of global play, you just made the decision to put them on the same account, that's not Blizzard's problem though.
To this point; Blizzard recommended to add any future licenses bought to the same account. It is them who advised us to do it for ease of use.
Think of it this way: people who seperated their accounts onto two emails can upgrade two accounts to play the expansion, only paying $80 (lets assume its $40 for the expansion for the sake of argument). People like myself and others in this thread would have to purchase ANOTHER copy of WoL(on top of the copy that was merged into our current email addresses) and then another copy of HoTS instead of just adding HoTS to the second account spending a total of $140.
On February 09 2013 06:49 FiWiFaKi wrote: I think people aren't getting this.
With two copies on one account you had access to TWO servers. Now you get access to MORE than two servers. This is only an extra feature to you, gives you more access, it just doesn't benefit you as much as the people who had one copy.
You buy a laptop for $500, a month later it goes on sale for $400, does that make you entitled for a $100 refund? No.
Seriously, I don't understand how people cannot understand, this is just simple logical.
Poll: What should be done?
Nothing. (35)
85%
Free HotS copy. (3)
7%
Small compensation (extra portrait, MLG membership, etc) (3)
Not the same logic at all. Regardless if it was a different region or not. I bought TWO copies, I expect to have global play on TWO copies, not ONE.
How about this for an analogy.
You buy an Ipod for $100 and a Phone for $100, as the phone can't play music. The phone company makes a free software change that allows you to play music on your phone. Does that entitle you to two phones or what? A $100 discount? Point is, person who bought the phone and spent $100 has the exact same stuff as the person who spent $200 on an ipod and phone. The person with the ipod just has a useless device now, just as you have a useless copy of the game.
You had two accounts on totally separate servers, unable to interact with them, having them bound to one account, what entitles you to a free feature to have two separate accounts now from one account. You have just as much as you had before and more, so why are you complaining?
You do have two copies of global play, you just made the decision to put them on the same account, that's not Blizzard's problem though.
I think Blizzard offers more support than 99.9% of games out there, spending time on their game 3 years after beta. They put up with enough of our shit already of everyone complaining about everything, even when they give us more new features that are free. Give them a break, they are in no way responsible for this. Every change in life will benefit one more than the other, doesn't mean both people don't benefit though. Blizzard doesn't deserve the short end of the stick every time.
Thank fuck somebody else gets it.
There is a lot of confusion with terminology so I'm going to say an 'account' is an email and a 'profile' is the ability to play on another region with the same account
You guys may have started with the account joebloggs@battlenet on the NA server, and then you decided to purchase the region joebloggs@battlenet for the EU server. Under your one email address, you can play on 2 different regions and have 2 different profiles Global play comes along and wow look at that! You now have your one email (joebloggs@battlenet) and access to NA and EU accounts, so you can STILL have two different profiles, so you can play zerg on one and terran on the other or whatever the fuck you want. You still have 'two profiles' (joebloggs on NA and joebloggs on EU).
Yes in hindsight this purchase was unnecessary and you wasted your money (just like the ipod example), but you still have exactly the same thing as you did before, and furthermore you don't need to buy HOTS for all your copies now. The fact that person C bought two accounts on 2 emails and now has effectively double the profiles to play on is not grounds for you to receive anything.
On February 09 2013 06:49 FiWiFaKi wrote: I think people aren't getting this.
With two copies on one account you had access to TWO servers. Now you get access to MORE than two servers. This is only an extra feature to you, gives you more access, it just doesn't benefit you as much as the people who had one copy.
You buy a laptop for $500, a month later it goes on sale for $400, does that make you entitled for a $100 refund? No.
Seriously, I don't understand how people cannot understand, this is just simple logical.
Poll: What should be done?
Nothing. (35)
85%
Free HotS copy. (3)
7%
Small compensation (extra portrait, MLG membership, etc) (3)
Not the same logic at all. Regardless if it was a different region or not. I bought TWO copies, I expect to have global play on TWO copies, not ONE.
How about this for an analogy.
You buy an Ipod for $100 and a Phone for $100, as the phone can't play music. The phone company makes a free software change that allows you to play music on your phone. Does that entitle you to two phones or what? A $100 discount? Point is, person who bought the phone and spent $100 has the exact same stuff as the person who spent $200 on an ipod and phone. The person with the ipod just has a useless device now, just as you have a useless copy of the game.
You had two accounts on totally separate servers, unable to interact with them, having them bound to one account, what entitles you to a free feature to have two separate accounts now from one account. You have just as much as you had before and more, so why are you complaining?
You do have two copies of global play, you just made the decision to put them on the same account, that's not Blizzard's problem though.
I think Blizzard offers more support than 99.9% of games out there, spending time on their game 3 years after beta. They put up with enough of our shit already of everyone complaining about everything, even when they give us more new features that are free. Give them a break, they are in no way responsible for this. Every change in life will benefit one more than the other, doesn't mean both people don't benefit though. Blizzard doesn't deserve the short end of the stick every time.
You are STILL off the mark and your analogy does not even make sense. You can STILL use the phone, and you can STILL use the iPod. Where as with the game, I CANT use a copy of the game that I PURCHASED because they are both on the same e-mail which is ridiculous.
Last time I checked (I actually tried to do so) you can't have more than one account per region per email. Are you saying you purchased for example two copies of NA region under the one email address? In which case how did you switch between them when logging in?
On February 09 2013 06:49 FiWiFaKi wrote: I think people aren't getting this.
With two copies on one account you had access to TWO servers. Now you get access to MORE than two servers. This is only an extra feature to you, gives you more access, it just doesn't benefit you as much as the people who had one copy.
You buy a laptop for $500, a month later it goes on sale for $400, does that make you entitled for a $100 refund? No.
Seriously, I don't understand how people cannot understand, this is just simple logical.
Poll: What should be done?
Nothing. (35)
85%
Free HotS copy. (3)
7%
Small compensation (extra portrait, MLG membership, etc) (3)
Not the same logic at all. Regardless if it was a different region or not. I bought TWO copies, I expect to have global play on TWO copies, not ONE.
How about this for an analogy.
You buy an Ipod for $100 and a Phone for $100, as the phone can't play music. The phone company makes a free software change that allows you to play music on your phone. Does that entitle you to two phones or what? A $100 discount? Point is, person who bought the phone and spent $100 has the exact same stuff as the person who spent $200 on an ipod and phone. The person with the ipod just has a useless device now, just as you have a useless copy of the game.
You had two accounts on totally separate servers, unable to interact with them, having them bound to one account, what entitles you to a free feature to have two separate accounts now from one account. You have just as much as you had before and more, so why are you complaining?
You do have two copies of global play, you just made the decision to put them on the same account, that's not Blizzard's problem though.
I think Blizzard offers more support than 99.9% of games out there, spending time on their game 3 years after beta. They put up with enough of our shit already of everyone complaining about everything, even when they give us more new features that are free. Give them a break, they are in no way responsible for this. Every change in life will benefit one more than the other, doesn't mean both people don't benefit though. Blizzard doesn't deserve the short end of the stick every time.
Thank fuck somebody else gets it.
There is a lot of confusion with terminology so I'm going to say an 'account' is an email and a 'profile' is the ability to play on another region with the same account
You guys may have started with the account joebloggs@battlenet on the NA server, and then you decided to purchase the region joebloggs@battlenet for the EU server. Under your one email address, you can play on 2 different regions and have 2 different profiles Global play comes along and wow look at that! You now have your one email (joebloggs@battlenet) and access to NA and EU accounts, so you can STILL have two different profiles, so you can play zerg on one and terran on the other or whatever the fuck you want. You still have 'two accounts' (joebloggs on NA and joebloggs on EU).
Yes in hindsight this purchase was unnecessary and you wasted your money (just like the ipod example), but you still have exactly the same thing as you did before, and furthermore you don't need to buy HOTS for all your copies now. The fact that person C bought two accounts on 2 emails and now has effectively double the profiles to play on is not grounds for you to receive anything.
On February 09 2013 06:49 FiWiFaKi wrote: I think people aren't getting this.
With two copies on one account you had access to TWO servers. Now you get access to MORE than two servers. This is only an extra feature to you, gives you more access, it just doesn't benefit you as much as the people who had one copy.
You buy a laptop for $500, a month later it goes on sale for $400, does that make you entitled for a $100 refund? No.
Seriously, I don't understand how people cannot understand, this is just simple logical.
Poll: What should be done?
Nothing. (35)
85%
Free HotS copy. (3)
7%
Small compensation (extra portrait, MLG membership, etc) (3)
Not the same logic at all. Regardless if it was a different region or not. I bought TWO copies, I expect to have global play on TWO copies, not ONE.
How about this for an analogy.
You buy an Ipod for $100 and a Phone for $100, as the phone can't play music. The phone company makes a free software change that allows you to play music on your phone. Does that entitle you to two phones or what? A $100 discount? Point is, person who bought the phone and spent $100 has the exact same stuff as the person who spent $200 on an ipod and phone. The person with the ipod just has a useless device now, just as you have a useless copy of the game.
You had two accounts on totally separate servers, unable to interact with them, having them bound to one account, what entitles you to a free feature to have two separate accounts now from one account. You have just as much as you had before and more, so why are you complaining?
You do have two copies of global play, you just made the decision to put them on the same account, that's not Blizzard's problem though.
I think Blizzard offers more support than 99.9% of games out there, spending time on their game 3 years after beta. They put up with enough of our shit already of everyone complaining about everything, even when they give us more new features that are free. Give them a break, they are in no way responsible for this. Every change in life will benefit one more than the other, doesn't mean both people don't benefit though. Blizzard doesn't deserve the short end of the stick every time.
You are STILL off the mark and your analogy does not even make sense. You can STILL use the phone, and you can STILL use the iPod. Where as with the game, I CANT use a copy of the game that I PURCHASED because they are both on the same e-mail which is ridiculous.
Last time I checked (I actually tried to do so) you can't have more than one account per region per email. Are you saying you purchased for example two copies of NA region under the one email address? In which case how did you switch between them when logging in?
To the first bolded section, that is the freaking issue we have! Your terminoligy is STILL incorrect. Account = e-mail address, License = game purchased, and Profile = ability to play on region.
For example, I have one account, with two licenses. One license gives me a profile for NA, the other license gives me a profile for EU.
Now, with global play, what they are saying is that I have one account, and ONE LICENSE that gives me multiple profiles. They are taking one of my Licenses away AFTER I paid for it. What it really should be is one account with TWO LICENSES with both of them giving me the same number of profiles each.
To the second bold, what you are saying is correct. I had the EU license of the game downloaded and the NA license downloaded. When I would log into EU with with the account, it would active the EU profile, and when I would login to NA with the same account, it would activate the NA profile. What people are complaining about is that it is effectively saying that one of your licenses is not valid.
On February 09 2013 06:49 FiWiFaKi wrote: I think people aren't getting this.
With two copies on one account you had access to TWO servers. Now you get access to MORE than two servers. This is only an extra feature to you, gives you more access, it just doesn't benefit you as much as the people who had one copy.
You buy a laptop for $500, a month later it goes on sale for $400, does that make you entitled for a $100 refund? No.
Seriously, I don't understand how people cannot understand, this is just simple logical.
Poll: What should be done?
Nothing. (35)
85%
Free HotS copy. (3)
7%
Small compensation (extra portrait, MLG membership, etc) (3)
Not the same logic at all. Regardless if it was a different region or not. I bought TWO copies, I expect to have global play on TWO copies, not ONE.
How about this for an analogy.
You buy an Ipod for $100 and a Phone for $100, as the phone can't play music. The phone company makes a free software change that allows you to play music on your phone. Does that entitle you to two phones or what? A $100 discount? Point is, person who bought the phone and spent $100 has the exact same stuff as the person who spent $200 on an ipod and phone. The person with the ipod just has a useless device now, just as you have a useless copy of the game.
You had two accounts on totally separate servers, unable to interact with them, having them bound to one account, what entitles you to a free feature to have two separate accounts now from one account. You have just as much as you had before and more, so why are you complaining?
You do have two copies of global play, you just made the decision to put them on the same account, that's not Blizzard's problem though.
I think Blizzard offers more support than 99.9% of games out there, spending time on their game 3 years after beta. They put up with enough of our shit already of everyone complaining about everything, even when they give us more new features that are free. Give them a break, they are in no way responsible for this. Every change in life will benefit one more than the other, doesn't mean both people don't benefit though. Blizzard doesn't deserve the short end of the stick every time.
Thank fuck somebody else gets it.
There is a lot of confusion with terminology so I'm going to say an 'account' is an email and a 'profile' is the ability to play on another region with the same account
You guys may have started with the account joebloggs@battlenet on the NA server, and then you decided to purchase the region joebloggs@battlenet for the EU server. Under your one email address, you can play on 2 different regions and have 2 different profiles Global play comes along and wow look at that! You now have your one email (joebloggs@battlenet) and access to NA and EU accounts, so you can STILL have two different profiles, so you can play zerg on one and terran on the other or whatever the fuck you want. You still have 'two accounts' (joebloggs on NA and joebloggs on EU).
Yes in hindsight this purchase was unnecessary and you wasted your money (just like the ipod example), but you still have exactly the same thing as you did before, and furthermore you don't need to buy HOTS for all your copies now. The fact that person C bought two accounts on 2 emails and now has effectively double the profiles to play on is not grounds for you to receive anything.
On February 09 2013 07:26 shockaslim wrote:
On February 09 2013 07:00 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On February 09 2013 06:56 shockaslim wrote:
On February 09 2013 06:49 FiWiFaKi wrote: I think people aren't getting this.
With two copies on one account you had access to TWO servers. Now you get access to MORE than two servers. This is only an extra feature to you, gives you more access, it just doesn't benefit you as much as the people who had one copy.
You buy a laptop for $500, a month later it goes on sale for $400, does that make you entitled for a $100 refund? No.
Seriously, I don't understand how people cannot understand, this is just simple logical.
Poll: What should be done?
Nothing. (35)
85%
Free HotS copy. (3)
7%
Small compensation (extra portrait, MLG membership, etc) (3)
Not the same logic at all. Regardless if it was a different region or not. I bought TWO copies, I expect to have global play on TWO copies, not ONE.
How about this for an analogy.
You buy an Ipod for $100 and a Phone for $100, as the phone can't play music. The phone company makes a free software change that allows you to play music on your phone. Does that entitle you to two phones or what? A $100 discount? Point is, person who bought the phone and spent $100 has the exact same stuff as the person who spent $200 on an ipod and phone. The person with the ipod just has a useless device now, just as you have a useless copy of the game.
You had two accounts on totally separate servers, unable to interact with them, having them bound to one account, what entitles you to a free feature to have two separate accounts now from one account. You have just as much as you had before and more, so why are you complaining?
You do have two copies of global play, you just made the decision to put them on the same account, that's not Blizzard's problem though.
I think Blizzard offers more support than 99.9% of games out there, spending time on their game 3 years after beta. They put up with enough of our shit already of everyone complaining about everything, even when they give us more new features that are free. Give them a break, they are in no way responsible for this. Every change in life will benefit one more than the other, doesn't mean both people don't benefit though. Blizzard doesn't deserve the short end of the stick every time.
You are STILL off the mark and your analogy does not even make sense. You can STILL use the phone, and you can STILL use the iPod. Where as with the game, I CANT use a copy of the game that I PURCHASED because they are both on the same e-mail which is ridiculous.
Last time I checked (I actually tried to do so) you can't have more than one account per region per email. Are you saying you purchased for example two copies of NA region under the one email address? In which case how did you switch between them when logging in?
To the first bolded section, that is the freaking issue we have! Your terminoligy is STILL incorrect. Account = e-mail address, License = game purchased, and Profile = ability to play on region.
For example, I have one account, with two licenses. One license gives me a profile for NA, the other license gives me a profile for EU.
Now, with global play, what they are saying is that I have one account, and ONE LICENSE that gives me multiple profiles. They are taking one of my Licenses away AFTER I paid for it. What it really should be is one account with TWO LICENSES with both of them giving me the same number of profiles each.
To the second bold, what you are saying is correct. I had the EU license of the game downloaded and the NA license downloaded. When I would log into EU with with the account, it would active the EU profile, and when I would login to NA with the same account, it would activate the NA profile. What people are complaining about is that it is effectively saying that one of your licenses is not valid.
Sorry I realised that my terminology at the end of the third paragraph was incorrect, I forgot to edit it out when I edited the rest of my answer.
Your use of license= game purchased is effectively interchangeable with profile. Yes, I understood you paid for multiple 'licenses' in order to get what everyone else effectively got for free with global play. But you haven't lost anything; you have the same number of profiles as you had before. Instead of having 1 account, 2 licenses and 2 profiles (before global play) you now effectively have 1 account, 1 license and 2 profiles. It is unfortunate you paid for that extra license when if you had waited you would realise you didn't have to, but what really matters is the number of profiles (since that is what lets you play on different servers or use a different race) and importantly, that has gone unchanged.
Yes you wasted money on an extra license, but no you have not lost any utility from the introduction of global play. If anything you now will save money since you don't need to purchase a HOTS 'license' for every existing WoL 'license' you had.
Blizzard shouldn't have to compensate you for buying an extra license that is now redundant any more than they should have to compensate someone who bought the game at release for $90 even though it is now worth $50. You have had 2 years of playing on multiple regions, and when all is said and done you still have the same utility from your profiles as you would have had without global play. As far as blizzard is concerned, 2 years ago you payed extra money for the ability to play on additional servers, and now they are simply giving this ability to everyone for free, which doesn't entitle you to anything.
Edit: Just curious, what would be your suggested actions for Blizzard? If they were to simply 'un-tether' the additional licenses on one account (ie so that 1 account with 2 licenses becomes 2 accounts with 2 licences) then all they are really doing is encouraging you to sell the extra account (since you now have access to all servers off the one account anyway), which is hardly what Blizzard want to encourage.
Ryder yet again you mention one account with 2 profiles .... like a profile = a bought and paid account it is YOUR logic that is flawed i am afraid.
in fact it should be 4 PROFILES in fact no it should be 8! there are 4 regions in which i can access via global play, i have 2 accounts i get 1 profile PER account ... this is not the case stop talking like it is 2 profiles NA/EU it should be 4!! profiles 2NA 2EU because 1 single licence GRANTS you 1 profile per region ... i cannot believe that you want to pass yourself off as havin a shred of intelligence when you cannot do simple math.
"It is unfortunate you paid for that extra license when if you had waited you would realise you didn't have to" and this is the most ignorant garbage i have yet to read here.
3 years ago BLIZZARD told us THAT THE ONLY WAY we would be able to play North American Servers was using a North American key we did not pay for an extra licence because we didn't realise ANYTHING we bought an extra licence because it was the ONLY OPTION" you guys all talk about luxury it was not luxury it was necessity to get the full functionality we required.
But you keep failing to understand that the key is NOT just access to US servers it is a licence for the ENTIRE product and depending on the keys REGION it will either allow you to access NA or EU servers respectively ... the problem here is that you don't actually hold the product well i DID i have a PHYSICAL boxed copy and an ADDITIONAL bought and paid for NA copy i have 2 products but only 1 single account with the EXACT amount of accessible profiles as 1 account would allow STOP comparing that we had 2 and we still have 2 .... YOU had 1!!! and now you have 2 .... simple math i have 2 so i should have 4!!! but i do not because what is being effectively done is the licence is REVOKED it is absolutely unused and servers no purpose on the account.
The legal issue as far as where i come from is that unless Blizzard can present a formal and justified argument as to why a bought and paid for licence is being terminated then they are in deep shit and you know what having spoke to them on the phone today they KNOW and FULLY REALISE the implications,
The official word is that people in our position (not yours sittin there mouthing off and acting smug from you comfort zone) are to wait until Global play is finalized and we should expect some form of compensation if no method to utilize ALL usable keys are made possible on 1 SINGLE account .... now please READ before you make another comment because i just shut down every single argument you have made thus far.
it is NOT about refunds it is NOT about access to regions and functionality it is about a LICENCE UNUSED and possibly seen as being REVOKED on an account that previously made use of it .... at MINIMUM we are entitled to use that key to make a new account as it is no longer in use.
On February 09 2013 06:56 shockaslim wrote: Not the same logic at all. Regardless if it was a different region or not. I bought TWO copies, I expect to have global play on TWO copies, not ONE.
I have two copies (previously one for EU and NA) and they both have global play.
I assume you had them both under the same battlenet account? Using two separate accounts enables both with global play options..
On February 09 2013 06:56 shockaslim wrote: Not the same logic at all. Regardless if it was a different region or not. I bought TWO copies, I expect to have global play on TWO copies, not ONE.
I have two copies (previously one for EU and NA) and they both have global play.
I assume you had them both under the same battlenet account? Using two separate accounts enables both with global play options..
Then you are either too ignorant to read the OP's statement in full or you are trolling .... either way you are completely exempt from the argument and i would wager about 90% of the people making smug comments in here are on the same boat.
"Using two separate accounts enables both with global play options.." you are absolutely right ... now you go and find me the legal document i agreed to where Blizzard states that no more than one key can or should be bound to a single account and we wont have a leg to stand on ...... but they didn't and THAT is the point!
This ridiculous and quite frankly provocative nose rubbiing about "oh well i was smart enough to add my keys to separate accounts" that is great i am very pleased that you are not one of us that is left with half of what we paid for .... but it also questions how serious Blizzard were about not advocating smurfing because it ruins matchmaking do you not think?
Honestly i am sick of having to explain such a simple thing to people who talk like they have more than enough intelligence to grasp the concept.
Edit: Ok I really can't be bothered arguing anymore, especially since you seem unable to form a fluent and coherent argument. If you can't see how you have exactly the same functionality before and after global play then I don't think you ever will. And you are deluded if you think that legally you are entitled to anything; I suggest you go and take a closer look to what actually happens when you purchase a license (you don't actually purchase the game btw, you only purchase the right to play it).
Good luck with your remuneration...just don't get your hopes too high.
On February 09 2013 10:07 Ryder. wrote: Edit: Ok I really can't be bothered arguing anymore, especially since you seem unable to form a fluent and coherent argument. If you can't see how you have exactly the same functionality before and after global play then I don't think you ever will. And you are deluded if you think that legally you are entitled to anything; I suggest you go and take a closer look to what actually happens when you purchase a license (you don't actually purchase the game btw, you only purchase the right to play it).
Good luck with your remuneration...just don't get your hopes too high.
I didn't argue i asked you a question in perfect english TWICE and you have failed to answer it and are now running off because you finally had a question posed to you that you cannot come up with a smarmy comment for ... off you go mate you just proved you are nothing but a troll ... and judging by your need to keep using over elaborate wording to puff up your superiority ... i would say you are prolly to young to have an understanding of paying for much in life anyway.
On February 09 2013 10:07 Ryder. wrote: Edit: Ok I really can't be bothered arguing anymore, especially since you seem unable to form a fluent and coherent argument. If you can't see how you have exactly the same functionality before and after global play then I don't think you ever will. And you are deluded if you think that legally you are entitled to anything; I suggest you go and take a closer look to what actually happens when you purchase a license (you don't actually purchase the game btw, you only purchase the right to play it).
Good luck with your remuneration...just don't get your hopes too high.
I didn't argue i asked you a question in perfect english TWICE and you have failed to answer it and are now running off because you finally had a question posed to you that you cannot come up with a smarmy comment for ... off you go mate you just proved you are nothing but a troll ... and judging by your need to keep using over elaborate wording to puff up your superiority ... i would say you are prolly to young to have an understanding of paying for much in life anyway.
Elaborate wording? Do you mean correct spelling as punctuation? Yes that must mean I'm young that makes sense.. it really isn't that hard and it makes a big difference... But please continue your personal attacks!
And what question? I must have missed it, because not once in that rambling mess of yours did you use a question mark...do you see how it makes a difference now?
As I said, if you want your argument to be taken seriously you need to structure it so it looks less like frantic keyboard mashing, because I honestly have no idea what you are trying to argue.
Edit: You also have your account created today, with all 9 posts in this thread...and I'm the troll? Ok...
Elaborate wording? Do you mean correct spelling as punctuation? Yes that must mean I'm young that makes sense.. it really isn't that hard and it makes a big difference... But please continue your personal attacks!
And what question? I must have missed it, because not once in that rambling mess of yours did you use a question mark...do you see how it makes a difference now?
As I said, if you want your argument to be taken seriously you need to structure it so it looks less like frantic keyboard mashing, because I honestly have no idea what you are trying to argue.
You know exactly what i mean, using big words to make yourself sound smarter than you are and flex your superiority over people you clearly deem intellectually inferior since most of your comments are as condescending as they are ignorant. Ironic really because you can't seem to be able to count to 2.
but i digress the question or more request i put across was:
please show me the line in the TOS where Blizzard states that only 1 single key can be bound to 1 single account so that the argument that we are all stupid for binding 2 keys to the same account actually has strength ... it is a very simple request.
"fluent and coherent argument. " too many adjectives there for you to pass as anymore than some over superior little twerp who likes to hide behind his PC and wind up people he would prolly be too scared to do so in person ... but i know welcome to the internet it's just sad you fit the stereotype.
honestly go back to your English teacher and hand em a sentence containing "fluent and coherent argument". It is just such utter overkill on an attempt to sound articulate it is laughable ... you are not talking to some teenage troll or little kid. I am a 30 year old man and i don't feel the need to make sure every single word i type online fits the Colins Grammar guide to appease some jumped up little muppet who has never took a punch for running his mouth too much.
Atleast i am man enough to even suggest a personal attack, unlike you who hides them behind snide remarks and condescending comments under the belief the rest of the internet is too stupid to pick up on it. You are absolutely the worst kind, the kind that likes to provoke and then pretend he did nothing. You are honestly not even worth my time i apologise to everyone else reading this for even bothering to do so.
At the beginning of WoL, there was a character selection screen when you logged on. They should bring that back for people with multiple copies, so that they can have multiple characters with different nicknames, ladder MMR's, achievements etc. There, I fixed battle.net.
Wish this topic could be discussed, but 90% of posts on this thread are made by people who can't read the first (literally) 15 words of a paragraph and are completely off-topic.
Hey, I know not many of you follow World of Warcraft news, but something relevant to this just came up there so I came back to look for this thread.
The latest test realm build of WoW includes new client strings that suggest "account changing", but that is a feature World of Warcraft already supports. The only reason to change the way it already works in WoW would be to standardize it across all of Battle.net. When you combine this with the recent news that Diablo III is going to use the "Battle.net Desktop App" to select regions, I am 90% sure these changes are early preparations for the launch of this datamined "Battle.net Desktop App".
I don't see how those with multiple copies lost something. In the past, you had access to 2 regions, now you have access to 4 regions. Whether or not in principle they merged 2 licenses into 1, in practice, what the 2 licenses allowed you to do in the past is still less than what the 1 license allows you to do with global play. Of course, it is true that people with 1 license in the past now have the same number of regions as the people who used to have more, but it is just a matter of Blizzard choosing to give 3 free regions to people with 1, and 2 free regions to people with 2. So ultimately, everybody gained. There was no requirement for Blizzard to give that in the first place, and even less obligation for them to give proportionately to how much you spent.
To make things simple I assume EU and NA are the only servers in sc2.
The Problem The problem is that people are afraid that when Blizzard enables global play in HOTS some of their WOL copies will be deleted/unaccessible. This happens because they assume when they register their 2 WOL copies -on one account they have access to 2 regions in HOTS -on two accounts they have access to 4 regions in HOTS
I think how many regions you can access depends on if you pay to own a permanent cdkey or if you pay to unlock access to a region for an account.
I buy and own a cdkey If I buy sc2 my copy is identified by the cdkey. The cdkey is my proof to Blizzard that I bought the game and may access the services they offer.
WOL In WOL Blizzard grants access to 1 region per cdkey.
Frank owns 2 keys, so he can play on 2 regions Frank@email.com NA - ABCD-EFGH EU - BCDE-FGHI
Mary owns 2 keys, so she can play on 2 regions Mary1@email.com EU - CDEF-GHIJ Mary2@email.com NA - DEFG-HIJK
HOTS Now in HOTS Blizzard introduces global play. This means if you bought a copy of the game, the associated cdkey now can play on all regions.
Frank owns 2 keys, he can play on 4 regions Frank@email.com NA - ABCD-EFGH EU - ABCD-EFGH NA - BCDE-FGHI EU - BCDE-FGHI
Mary owns 2 keys, she can play on 4 regions Mary1@email.com EU - CDEF-GHIJ NA - CDEF-GHIJ
Mary2@email.com NA - DEFG-HIJK EU - DEFG-HIJK
HOTS what people are afraid of Now people are afraid that blizzard will not provide the possibility for Frank to login on EU and then chose which of his 2 keys he wants to use.
Frank owns 2 keys, he can play on 2 regions Frank@email.com NA - ABCD-EFGH EU - ABCD-EFGH NA - BCDE-FGHI - NOT ACCESSIBLE EU - BCDE-FGHI - NOT ACCESSIBLE
Mary owns 2 keys, she can play on 4 regions Mary1@email.com EU - CDEF-GHIJ NA - CDEF-GHIJ
Mary2@email.com NA - DEFG-HIJK EU - DEFG-HIJK
I buy to unlock to a region on my account Here my proof to Blizzard is not my cdkey, but the flag on my account that shows that I unlocked access to a region. Ryder was arguing that in WOL Frank only owns one copy of sc2 when he has 2 regions availible. That is because the time at which Frank enters his cdkey it grants access to only one region. Blizzard then sets the flag to unlock the region and the cdkey is now marked invalid for another use. Thus it would look like this:
WOL Frank unlocked 2 regions, so he can play on 2 regions Frank@email.com NA - ENABLED EU - ENABLED
Mary unlocked 2 regions, so she can play on 2 regions Mary1@email.com EU - ENABLED NA - DISABLED
Mary2@email.com NA - DISABLED EU - ENABLED
HOTS Now Blizzard introduces global play - which would unlock all regions on one account.
Frank has one account, so he can play on 2 regions Frank@email.com NA - ENABLED EU - ENABLED
Mary has two accounts, so she can play on 4 regions Mary1@email.com EU - ENABLED NA - ENABLED
Mary2@email.com 1key NA - ENABLED EU - ENABLED
Did I buy a CDKEY or did I pay to unlock access to a region on a specific account? I bought a copy of sc2, which has to be tied to an account and a region. For me the important part is that I own the copy of sc2 (or maybe a license?) and the bnet-account is just a tool to comfortably manage stuff about my copy, its only purpose is to make thing easier. 2 game copies remain 2 seperate items and as such both receive global play.
If Blizzard decides to enable global play on an per account basis, they enable global play for every copy based on an arbitrary rule which they think is good. They could aswell grant global play to all accounts which have names not starting with the letter R. I wonder if some people here would be fine with that, as anyone starting with R would still have the same product they purchased.
Now that the first phase of the cash grab is over, and the dust settles to reveal global play, we can look back and say that there were those of us who payed way more than we should have to play the game. Playing on other servers was a luxury that we didn't all care for. It looks like if you want to keep your multiple accounts, you're going to have to buy multiple copies of HotS - perhaps Blizzard will be nice enough not to force you to bind a unique CD Key to each account you have (right......). You should have seen this coming (not the global play, but the having to buy another copy of HotS for each copy of WoL).
On February 09 2013 06:49 FiWiFaKi wrote: I think people aren't getting this.
With two copies on one account you had access to TWO servers. Now you get access to MORE than two servers. This is only an extra feature to you, gives you more access, it just doesn't benefit you as much as the people who had one copy.
You buy a laptop for $500, a month later it goes on sale for $400, does that make you entitled for a $100 refund? No.
Seriously, I don't understand how people cannot understand, this is just simple logical.
Poll: What should be done?
Nothing. (35)
85%
Free HotS copy. (3)
7%
Small compensation (extra portrait, MLG membership, etc) (3)
Not the same logic at all. Regardless if it was a different region or not. I bought TWO copies, I expect to have global play on TWO copies, not ONE.
How about this for an analogy.
You buy an Ipod for $100 and a Phone for $100, as the phone can't play music. The phone company makes a free software change that allows you to play music on your phone. Does that entitle you to two phones or what? A $100 discount? Point is, person who bought the phone and spent $100 has the exact same stuff as the person who spent $200 on an ipod and phone. The person with the ipod just has a useless device now, just as you have a useless copy of the game.
You had two accounts on totally separate servers, unable to interact with them, having them bound to one account, what entitles you to a free feature to have two separate accounts now from one account. You have just as much as you had before and more, so why are you complaining?
You do have two copies of global play, you just made the decision to put them on the same account, that's not Blizzard's problem though.
I think Blizzard offers more support than 99.9% of games out there, spending time on their game 3 years after beta. They put up with enough of our shit already of everyone complaining about everything, even when they give us more new features that are free. Give them a break, they are in no way responsible for this. Every change in life will benefit one more than the other, doesn't mean both people don't benefit though. Blizzard doesn't deserve the short end of the stick every time.
Thank fuck somebody else gets it.
There is a lot of confusion with terminology so I'm going to say an 'account' is an email and a 'profile' is the ability to play on another region with the same account
You guys may have started with the account joebloggs@battlenet on the NA server, and then you decided to purchase the region joebloggs@battlenet for the EU server. Under your one email address, you can play on 2 different regions and have 2 different profiles Global play comes along and wow look at that! You now have your one email (joebloggs@battlenet) and access to NA and EU accounts, so you can STILL have two different profiles, so you can play zerg on one and terran on the other or whatever the fuck you want. You still have 'two accounts' (joebloggs on NA and joebloggs on EU).
Yes in hindsight this purchase was unnecessary and you wasted your money (just like the ipod example), but you still have exactly the same thing as you did before, and furthermore you don't need to buy HOTS for all your copies now. The fact that person C bought two accounts on 2 emails and now has effectively double the profiles to play on is not grounds for you to receive anything.
On February 09 2013 07:26 shockaslim wrote:
On February 09 2013 07:00 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On February 09 2013 06:56 shockaslim wrote:
On February 09 2013 06:49 FiWiFaKi wrote: I think people aren't getting this.
With two copies on one account you had access to TWO servers. Now you get access to MORE than two servers. This is only an extra feature to you, gives you more access, it just doesn't benefit you as much as the people who had one copy.
You buy a laptop for $500, a month later it goes on sale for $400, does that make you entitled for a $100 refund? No.
Seriously, I don't understand how people cannot understand, this is just simple logical.
Poll: What should be done?
Nothing. (35)
85%
Free HotS copy. (3)
7%
Small compensation (extra portrait, MLG membership, etc) (3)
Not the same logic at all. Regardless if it was a different region or not. I bought TWO copies, I expect to have global play on TWO copies, not ONE.
How about this for an analogy.
You buy an Ipod for $100 and a Phone for $100, as the phone can't play music. The phone company makes a free software change that allows you to play music on your phone. Does that entitle you to two phones or what? A $100 discount? Point is, person who bought the phone and spent $100 has the exact same stuff as the person who spent $200 on an ipod and phone. The person with the ipod just has a useless device now, just as you have a useless copy of the game.
You had two accounts on totally separate servers, unable to interact with them, having them bound to one account, what entitles you to a free feature to have two separate accounts now from one account. You have just as much as you had before and more, so why are you complaining?
You do have two copies of global play, you just made the decision to put them on the same account, that's not Blizzard's problem though.
I think Blizzard offers more support than 99.9% of games out there, spending time on their game 3 years after beta. They put up with enough of our shit already of everyone complaining about everything, even when they give us more new features that are free. Give them a break, they are in no way responsible for this. Every change in life will benefit one more than the other, doesn't mean both people don't benefit though. Blizzard doesn't deserve the short end of the stick every time.
You are STILL off the mark and your analogy does not even make sense. You can STILL use the phone, and you can STILL use the iPod. Where as with the game, I CANT use a copy of the game that I PURCHASED because they are both on the same e-mail which is ridiculous.
Last time I checked (I actually tried to do so) you can't have more than one account per region per email. Are you saying you purchased for example two copies of NA region under the one email address? In which case how did you switch between them when logging in?
To the first bolded section, that is the freaking issue we have! Your terminoligy is STILL incorrect. Account = e-mail address, License = game purchased, and Profile = ability to play on region.
For example, I have one account, with two licenses. One license gives me a profile for NA, the other license gives me a profile for EU.
Now, with global play, what they are saying is that I have one account, and ONE LICENSE that gives me multiple profiles. They are taking one of my Licenses away AFTER I paid for it. What it really should be is one account with TWO LICENSES with both of them giving me the same number of profiles each.
To the second bold, what you are saying is correct. I had the EU license of the game downloaded and the NA license downloaded. When I would log into EU with with the account, it would active the EU profile, and when I would login to NA with the same account, it would activate the NA profile. What people are complaining about is that it is effectively saying that one of your licenses is not valid.
Shock, why don't you just change the e-mail address on one of your accounts? Ideally, you should do it before they release HotS, or you may find yourself with some bullshit problems.
It's actually ridiculously simple and complaining about having to go into account management and change your e-mail is almost nonsensically comical.
Since we're making fun biased polls, let's try this one.
Person A buys 1 extra WoL copy. He registers it on his original battle.net account. He now has 2 WoL copies.
Person B buys 1 extra WoL copy. He registers it on a new battle.net account. He now has 2 WoL copies.
Global play comes along.
Poll: What should happen now?
Person A and person B should have 2 WoL accounts per region. (12)
57%
Person A should have 1 WoL account per region, Person B should have 2 WoL accounts per region. (8)
38%
Person A and person B should have 1 WoL account per region. (1)
5%
21 total votes
Your vote: What should happen now?
(Vote): Person A should have 1 WoL account per region, Person B should have 2 WoL accounts per region. (Vote): Person A and person B should have 1 WoL account per region. (Vote): Person A and person B should have 2 WoL accounts per region.
I have multiple copies, but Blizzard doesn't owe me anything. They actually saved me money, because now with one hots key I can play multiple regions on one account. Whereas without global play, I'd have to buy multiple copies of hots to use the other regions. People really love to ask for free shit. I'm assuming OP wants 1080p from GOM and free VODs as well.
Blizzard only added Global Play because a lot of people wanted the feature but didn't want to/couldn't buy additional sc2 copies. If you bought an additional sc2 that was your choice based off of something that you felt was worth the money and I would bet that you agreed that it was worth the money up until global play was announced. You paid extra to get a feature that was not available to the public for nearly two years, and because of that you shouldn't get anything back. You got what you payed for.
On February 10 2013 08:27 Foblos wrote: Blizzard only added Global Play because a lot of people wanted the feature but didn't want to/couldn't buy additional sc2 copies. If you bought an additional sc2 that was your choice based off of something that you felt was worth the money and I would bet that you agreed that it was worth the money up until global play was announced. You paid extra to get a feature that was not available to the public for nearly two years, and because of that you shouldn't get anything back. You got what you payed for.
You really don't get the problem...it's not about losing money(not entirely)... it's that some people that bought a 2nd account for another region get 1 account with 4 regions while others that used a different email for the 2nd region get 2 accounts with 4 regions each... It's like there's a batch of products and some are broken and some are not...you get a broken one and don't get a refund. And no I am not saying people should get refunded in any way...they should just get 2 accounts like a person that used a 2nd email.
On February 10 2013 07:51 Conti wrote: Since we're making fun biased polls, let's try this one.
Person A buys 1 extra WoL copy. He registers it on his original battle.net account. He now has 2 WoL copies.
Person B buys 1 extra WoL copy. He registers it on a new battle.net account. He now has 2 WoL copies.
Global play comes along.
Poll: What should happen now?
Person A and person B should have 2 WoL accounts per region. (12)
57%
Person A should have 1 WoL account per region, Person B should have 2 WoL accounts per region. (8)
38%
Person A and person B should have 1 WoL account per region. (1)
5%
21 total votes
Your vote: What should happen now?
(Vote): Person A should have 1 WoL account per region, Person B should have 2 WoL accounts per region. (Vote): Person A and person B should have 1 WoL account per region. (Vote): Person A and person B should have 2 WoL accounts per region.
Your poll literally makes no sense.
You buy two games, register two accounts, it's the equivalent oh having one account for you, one for your brother, and one of these randomly gets taken away for no reason? Uh what? At least make a good poll if you're going to try and prove your unpopular opinion, especially considering the fact you are greatly simplifying the situation.
Both accounts have two copies, one just has a mirror copy, don't see the issue.
I don't think this issue will be addressed regardless, a very very small portion of the community bought two games, plus I think many can accept the situation. They wont add some account separation system or something to please a couple dozen fans.
On February 10 2013 07:51 Conti wrote: Since we're making fun biased polls, let's try this one.
Person A buys 1 extra WoL copy. He registers it on his original battle.net account. He now has 2 WoL copies.
Person B buys 1 extra WoL copy. He registers it on a new battle.net account. He now has 2 WoL copies.
Global play comes along.
Poll: What should happen now?
Person A and person B should have 2 WoL accounts per region. (12)
57%
Person A should have 1 WoL account per region, Person B should have 2 WoL accounts per region. (8)
38%
Person A and person B should have 1 WoL account per region. (1)
5%
21 total votes
Your vote: What should happen now?
(Vote): Person A should have 1 WoL account per region, Person B should have 2 WoL accounts per region. (Vote): Person A and person B should have 1 WoL account per region. (Vote): Person A and person B should have 2 WoL accounts per region.
Your poll literally makes no sense.
You buy two games, register two accounts, it's the equivalent oh having one account for you, one for your brother, and one of these randomly gets taken away for no reason? Uh what? At least make a good poll if you're going to try and prove your unpopular opinion, especially considering the fact you are greatly simplifying the situation.
Both accounts have two copies, one just has a mirror copy, don't see the issue.
I don't think this issue will be addressed regardless, a very very small portion of the community bought two games, plus I think many can accept the situation. They wont add some account separation system or something to please a couple dozen fans.
his unpopular opinion is winning must make no sense eh? And yes, there must be only at most 24 fans with multiple sc2 lol when it's known that virtually all pros have multiple sc2 account. It's okay if you don't understand.
Ughhhhhhhh. OK, let me freaking explain EXACTLY what happened here.
I have bought two licenses for Starcraft 2 and put them on the same account. One license was for EU, the other was for NA. In my account previously it would show "Starcraft 2: Wings of Liberty NA" for my NA account, and "Starcraft 2: Wings of Liberty EU" for my EU account.
NOW, it just says "StarCraft 2: Wings of Liberty Standard Edition" and there is only ONE STARCRAFT 2 LICENSE WHEN I PAID FOR TWO!!!
If they were doing this fairly, they would have TWO "StarCraft 2: Wings of Liberty Standard Editions" instead of just ONE because I PAID FOR TWO. They effectively revoked one of my licenses, which is bullshit.
On February 10 2013 15:41 shockaslim wrote: Ughhhhhhhh. OK, let me freaking explain EXACTLY what happened here.
I have bought two licenses for Starcraft 2 and put them on the same account. One license was for EU, the other was for NA. In my account previously it would show "Starcraft 2: Wings of Liberty NA" for my NA account, and "Starcraft 2: Wings of Liberty EU" for my EU account.
NOW, it just says "StarCraft 2: Wings of Liberty Standard Edition" and there is only ONE STARCRAFT 2 LICENSE WHEN I PAID FOR TWO!!!
If they were doing this fairly, they would have TWO "StarCraft 2: Wings of Liberty Standard Editions" instead of just ONE because I PAID FOR TWO. They effectively revoked one of my licenses, which is bullshit.
And yet effectively, you still have THE EXACT SAME rights as before. Actually, you have more since you can play on all the other servers as well. I, with only one account, was given three free copies of the game. You, with two were given two free copies. Let's be a little thankful and a little less entitled, yeah?
I had 2 licenses on my Battle.net account, an NA and a TW license. When Global Play was first announced here at TL via that first thread, I contacted Blizzard Support via live chat, and kindly asked the rep to move my TW license to a brand new Battle.net account (which I created in advance). The rep did exactly that, and now I have 2 full copies of Wings of Liberty on 2 separate accounts, both of which work with every single server.
I'm not sure if it's too late now, since the merge has already completed serverside, but if anyone would like another account, just contact support.
I haven't read through the entire thread yet, so sorry if anyone else with my experience has already posted this.
I purchased a TW license in order to play on the KR/TW server. I have this license under the same account as my NA license. I remember when the beta for the "arcade" client came out (1.5?), I tried it out. During log in it gave me the option for SCII-1 and SCII-2. I was able to make 2 profiles in the "arcade" beta client with each option. And before global play was enabled, I had logged on with the KR client and created a "starter edition" profile under the KR server while keeping my TW profile intact. Now, whenever I log onto the KR/TW server, SCII-1 correlates to my TW license and SCII-2 correlates to my KR profile. However both SCII-1 and SCII-2 are the same profile if I log into either NA or EU.
Edit:
When I check the details of my account, when I check what name changes I have, it lists KR twice
On February 10 2013 15:41 shockaslim wrote: Ughhhhhhhh. OK, let me freaking explain EXACTLY what happened here.
I have bought two licenses for Starcraft 2 and put them on the same account. One license was for EU, the other was for NA. In my account previously it would show "Starcraft 2: Wings of Liberty NA" for my NA account, and "Starcraft 2: Wings of Liberty EU" for my EU account.
NOW, it just says "StarCraft 2: Wings of Liberty Standard Edition" and there is only ONE STARCRAFT 2 LICENSE WHEN I PAID FOR TWO!!!
If they were doing this fairly, they would have TWO "StarCraft 2: Wings of Liberty Standard Editions" instead of just ONE because I PAID FOR TWO. They effectively revoked one of my licenses, which is bullshit.
And yet effectively, you still have THE EXACT SAME rights as before. Actually, you have more since you can play on all the other servers as well. I, with only one account, was given three free copies of the game. You, with two were given two free copies. Let's be a little thankful and a little less entitled, yeah?
I should be thankful that they took a copy of my game away? They didn't give you free copies of the game, they gave you access to the other regions. They did the same thing for me......took my NA license and gave me access to all of the other regions for that license. However, just because my NA license has access to all of the other regions doesn't mean they should take away my EU license!!!!
Who fucking cares that I can still play on all of the regions. It doesn't make up for the fact that they took away a license that I PAID FOR.
You chose to buy the game a second time. It's nothing to do with Blizzard. If the $60 or whatever mattered so much that you think you deserve something for free, then you probably shouldn't have spent it in the first place.
It's so fucking funny how people think it's actually fair and just to force people to buy multiple versions of the same game to play on different regions in the first place. That they don't even understand what the problem is (hint: it's not about wanting the money back) is just the icing on the cake.
On February 11 2013 08:10 IMABUNNEH wrote: You chose to buy the game a second time. It's nothing to do with Blizzard. If the $60 or whatever mattered so much that you think you deserve something for free, then you probably shouldn't have spent it in the first place.
Imagine if you bought two Playstations, one that could only read Japanese games, and another that could only read North American games. Then Sony comes along releasing a patch allowing all Playstations to read games from all regions. Now, imagine if Sony came to your house and took a Playstation away from you because they felt you didn't need it. Would you be happy with them taking away a Playstation you paid for?
On February 11 2013 08:10 IMABUNNEH wrote: You chose to buy the game a second time. It's nothing to do with Blizzard. If the $60 or whatever mattered so much that you think you deserve something for free, then you probably shouldn't have spent it in the first place.
Imagine if you bought two Playstations, one that could only read Japanese games, and another that could only read North American games. Then Sony comes along releasing a patch allowing all Playstations to read games from all regions. Now, imagine if Sony came to your house and took a Playstation away from you because they felt you didn't need it. Would you be happy with them taking away a Playstation you paid for?
More like they just merged your two PS into one. Doesn't matter if you only have 1 TV. Your complaint is that peaople with ONLY American games are now allowed to play Japanese instead of buying two systems.
You're not losing anything. Just like people who waited 2 years to buy SC2 can do it for now for $30 instead of $60. (By your logic Blizzard is taking $30 away from everyone who purchased at full price.)
The only "fair" thing here would be to NOT introduce global play at all.
At least this way you'll get HotS on all servers with only spending money once (but you should probably wait 2 years so you don't feel ripped off when the price drops).
On February 11 2013 08:10 IMABUNNEH wrote: You chose to buy the game a second time. It's nothing to do with Blizzard. If the $60 or whatever mattered so much that you think you deserve something for free, then you probably shouldn't have spent it in the first place.
Imagine if you bought two Playstations, one that could only read Japanese games, and another that could only read North American games. Then Sony comes along releasing a patch allowing all Playstations to read games from all regions. Now, imagine if Sony came to your house and took a Playstation away from you because they felt you didn't need it. Would you be happy with them taking away a Playstation you paid for?
More like they just merged your two PS into one. Doesn't matter if you only have 1 TV. Your complaint is that peaople with ONLY American games are now allowed to play Japanese instead of buying two systems.
You're not losing anything. Just like people who waited 2 years to buy SC2 can do it for now for $30 instead of $60. (By your logic Blizzard is taking $30 away from everyone who purchased at full price.)
The only "fair" thing here would be to NOT introduce global play at all.
At least this way you'll get HotS on all servers with only spending money once (but you should probably wait 2 years so you don't feel ripped off when the price drops).
Person A buys 1 extra WoL copy. He registers it on his original battle.net account. He now has 2 WoL copies.
Person B buys 1 extra WoL copy. He registers it on a new battle.net account. He now has 2 WoL copies.
Global play comes along.
Person A has paid for 2 WoL copies and now has 1 WoL copy per region.
Person B has paid for 2 WoL copies and now has 2 WoL copies per region.
On February 11 2013 08:10 IMABUNNEH wrote: You chose to buy the game a second time. It's nothing to do with Blizzard. If the $60 or whatever mattered so much that you think you deserve something for free, then you probably shouldn't have spent it in the first place.
Imagine if you bought two Playstations, one that could only read Japanese games, and another that could only read North American games. Then Sony comes along releasing a patch allowing all Playstations to read games from all regions. Now, imagine if Sony came to your house and took a Playstation away from you because they felt you didn't need it. Would you be happy with them taking away a Playstation you paid for?
More like they just merged your two PS into one. Doesn't matter if you only have 1 TV. Your complaint is that peaople with ONLY American games are now allowed to play Japanese instead of buying two systems.
You're not losing anything. Just like people who waited 2 years to buy SC2 can do it for now for $30 instead of $60. (By your logic Blizzard is taking $30 away from everyone who purchased at full price.)
The only "fair" thing here would be to NOT introduce global play at all.
At least this way you'll get HotS on all servers with only spending money once (but you should probably wait 2 years so you don't feel ripped off when the price drops).
Person A buys 1 extra WoL copy. He registers it on his original battle.net account. He now has 2 WoL copies.
Person B buys 1 extra WoL copy. He registers it on a new battle.net account. He now has 2 WoL copies.
Global play comes along.
Person A has paid for 2 WoL copies and now has 1 WoL copy per region.
Person B has paid for 2 WoL copies and now has 2 WoL copies per region.
See what's wrong here?
You still haven't made it any different than complaining that everyone who paid full price should get something back because the current price (on amazon) is $30.
If person B purchased 2 copies to have a smurf, he still does.
If Person A purchased the second copy to play on a second region... He still can.
Both players can still do what they set out to do.
Now, if person B purchased 2 copies to play on separate regions, on separate accounts and now suddenly has 2 accounts per region, that's just a bonus... As it is for everyone who only purchased a single account and can now play on multiple regions.
How is this tread still going? How many versions of "Person A bought 23 copies of SC2. Person B: Bought 47 copies of SC2" can people talk about? Or do we live to rehash the same info over and over?
On February 11 2013 08:10 IMABUNNEH wrote: You chose to buy the game a second time. It's nothing to do with Blizzard. If the $60 or whatever mattered so much that you think you deserve something for free, then you probably shouldn't have spent it in the first place.
Imagine if you bought two Playstations, one that could only read Japanese games, and another that could only read North American games. Then Sony comes along releasing a patch allowing all Playstations to read games from all regions. Now, imagine if Sony came to your house and took a Playstation away from you because they felt you didn't need it. Would you be happy with them taking away a Playstation you paid for?
More like they just merged your two PS into one. Doesn't matter if you only have 1 TV. Your complaint is that peaople with ONLY American games are now allowed to play Japanese instead of buying two systems.
You're not losing anything. Just like people who waited 2 years to buy SC2 can do it for now for $30 instead of $60. (By your logic Blizzard is taking $30 away from everyone who purchased at full price.)
The only "fair" thing here would be to NOT introduce global play at all.
At least this way you'll get HotS on all servers with only spending money once (but you should probably wait 2 years so you don't feel ripped off when the price drops).
Person A buys 1 extra WoL copy. He registers it on his original battle.net account. He now has 2 WoL copies.
Person B buys 1 extra WoL copy. He registers it on a new battle.net account. He now has 2 WoL copies.
Global play comes along.
Person A has paid for 2 WoL copies and now has 1 WoL copy per region.
Person B has paid for 2 WoL copies and now has 2 WoL copies per region.
See what's wrong here?
You still haven't made it any different than complaining that everyone who paid full price should get something back because the current price (on amazon) is $30.
If person B purchased 2 copies to have a smurf, he still does.
If Person A purchased the second copy to play on a second region... He still can.
Both players can still do what they set out to do.
Now, if person B purchased 2 copies to play on separate regions, on separate accounts and now suddenly has 2 accounts per region, that's just a bonus... As it is for everyone who only purchased a single account and can now play on multiple regions.
that is what is known as a false equivalency. are you a republican by any chance? ;p
people who REGISTERED, not bought as you said (you dont buy a bnet account, they are free), on 2 separate accounts have to buy a second HotS copy, as it should be.
Everyone knows that if you wait long enough, the price will come down, thats called economics.... what people don't expect is to buy 2 copies of anything then have one taken away from them because they kept them both in the same place instead of keeping them separate.
I paid for 3 copies of WoL, you paid for 1. How is it fair that I now get the same amount of copies of HotS as you do, when I paid for 3 times as many WoL copies as you? I should, as I paid for 3 copies of WoL, have the option to also purchase 3 copies of HotS to go with them. None of us are asking to be able to pay for HotS once an have access on all our accounts, we are however pretty pissed off that we don't have the option to upgrade them all, which would make blizz more money and not make us out of pocket.
On February 11 2013 08:10 IMABUNNEH wrote: You chose to buy the game a second time. It's nothing to do with Blizzard. If the $60 or whatever mattered so much that you think you deserve something for free, then you probably shouldn't have spent it in the first place.
Imagine if you bought two Playstations, one that could only read Japanese games, and another that could only read North American games. Then Sony comes along releasing a patch allowing all Playstations to read games from all regions. Now, imagine if Sony came to your house and took a Playstation away from you because they felt you didn't need it. Would you be happy with them taking away a Playstation you paid for?
More like they just merged your two PS into one. Doesn't matter if you only have 1 TV. Your complaint is that peaople with ONLY American games are now allowed to play Japanese instead of buying two systems.
You're not losing anything. Just like people who waited 2 years to buy SC2 can do it for now for $30 instead of $60. (By your logic Blizzard is taking $30 away from everyone who purchased at full price.)
The only "fair" thing here would be to NOT introduce global play at all.
At least this way you'll get HotS on all servers with only spending money once (but you should probably wait 2 years so you don't feel ripped off when the price drops).
Person A buys 1 extra WoL copy. He registers it on his original battle.net account. He now has 2 WoL copies.
Person B buys 1 extra WoL copy. He registers it on a new battle.net account. He now has 2 WoL copies.
Global play comes along.
Person A has paid for 2 WoL copies and now has 1 WoL copy per region.
Person B has paid for 2 WoL copies and now has 2 WoL copies per region.
See what's wrong here?
You still haven't made it any different than complaining that everyone who paid full price should get something back because the current price (on amazon) is $30.
If person B purchased 2 copies to have a smurf, he still does.
If Person A purchased the second copy to play on a second region... He still can.
Both players can still do what they set out to do.
Now, if person B purchased 2 copies to play on separate regions, on separate accounts and now suddenly has 2 accounts per region, that's just a bonus... As it is for everyone who only purchased a single account and can now play on multiple regions.
that is what is known as a false equivalency. are you a republican by any chance? ;p
I suppose that means I'd be able to afford multiple copies? (Or does that mean something different in UK?)
people who REGISTERED, not bought as you said (you dont buy a bnet account, they are free), on 2 separate accounts have to buy a second HotS copy, as it should be.
I made two posts. In both I say "purchase" and "copy".
Everyone knows that if you wait long enough, the price will come down, thats called economics.... what people don't expect is to buy 2 copies of anything then have one taken away from them because they kept them both in the same place instead of keeping them separate.
I have yet to hear about anyone actually LOSING anything. Or have people lost access to previous accounts and stats? (What was it you said about false equivalence?)
I paid for 3 copies of WoL, you paid for 1. How is it fair that I now get the same amount of copies of HotS as you do, when I paid for 3 times as many WoL copies as you? I should, as I paid for 3 copies of WoL, have the option to also purchase 3 copies of HotS to go with them. None of us are asking to be able to pay for HotS once an have access on all our accounts, we are however pretty pissed off that we don't have the option to upgrade them all, which would make blizz more money and not make us out of pocket.
I have to be honest, that's the kind of comment that brings to mind a certain political party... "They're taking away our freedom of upgrading to HotS individually."
On February 11 2013 09:38 y0su wrote: I have yet to hear about anyone actually LOSING anything. Or have people lost access to previous accounts and stats? (What was it you said about false equivalence?)
And you have yet to acknowledge that this is so far besides the point that it's not even funny any more.
On February 11 2013 08:10 IMABUNNEH wrote: You chose to buy the game a second time. It's nothing to do with Blizzard. If the $60 or whatever mattered so much that you think you deserve something for free, then you probably shouldn't have spent it in the first place.
Imagine if you bought two Playstations, one that could only read Japanese games, and another that could only read North American games. Then Sony comes along releasing a patch allowing all Playstations to read games from all regions. Now, imagine if Sony came to your house and took a Playstation away from you because they felt you didn't need it. Would you be happy with them taking away a Playstation you paid for?
More like they just merged your two PS into one. Doesn't matter if you only have 1 TV. Your complaint is that peaople with ONLY American games are now allowed to play Japanese instead of buying two systems.
You're not losing anything. Just like people who waited 2 years to buy SC2 can do it for now for $30 instead of $60. (By your logic Blizzard is taking $30 away from everyone who purchased at full price.)
The only "fair" thing here would be to NOT introduce global play at all.
At least this way you'll get HotS on all servers with only spending money once (but you should probably wait 2 years so you don't feel ripped off when the price drops).
If you don't get it after that very simple to understand analogy then I don't know what I can do for you sir.
On February 11 2013 09:38 y0su wrote: I have yet to hear about anyone actually LOSING anything. Or have people lost access to previous accounts and stats? (What was it you said about false equivalence?)
And you have yet to acknowledge that this is so far besides the point that it's not even funny any more.
Actually that was the exact point I was responding to.
edit:
On February 11 2013 10:18 shockaslim wrote: If you don't get it after that very simple to understand analogy then I don't know what I can do for you sir.
I understand your analogy. I just don't feel it accurately describes the situation. I get that people are upset (and why). This happens any/every time something paid for eventually becomes free (or much cheaper). + Show Spoiler +
The main difference here is that people are more upset because they could have retained value by having multiple accounts.
edit 2: Back to the PS analogy: The correct analogy would be you purchased some addon (from Sony) for the American PS so it could play Japanese games... Your friend purchased a second (Japanese) PS. Sony eventually releases a patch that all PS can play all region games. You are left with a single PS able to play on all regions and your friend now has two fully capable PS. Sony didn't take anything away from you.
On February 11 2013 08:10 IMABUNNEH wrote: You chose to buy the game a second time. It's nothing to do with Blizzard. If the $60 or whatever mattered so much that you think you deserve something for free, then you probably shouldn't have spent it in the first place.
Imagine if you bought two Playstations, one that could only read Japanese games, and another that could only read North American games. Then Sony comes along releasing a patch allowing all Playstations to read games from all regions. Now, imagine if Sony came to your house and took a Playstation away from you because they felt you didn't need it. Would you be happy with them taking away a Playstation you paid for?
More like they just merged your two PS into one. Doesn't matter if you only have 1 TV. Your complaint is that peaople with ONLY American games are now allowed to play Japanese instead of buying two systems.
You're not losing anything. Just like people who waited 2 years to buy SC2 can do it for now for $30 instead of $60. (By your logic Blizzard is taking $30 away from everyone who purchased at full price.)
The only "fair" thing here would be to NOT introduce global play at all.
At least this way you'll get HotS on all servers with only spending money once (but you should probably wait 2 years so you don't feel ripped off when the price drops).
Person A buys 1 extra WoL copy. He registers it on his original battle.net account. He now has 2 WoL copies.
Person B buys 1 extra WoL copy. He registers it on a new battle.net account. He now has 2 WoL copies.
Global play comes along.
Person A has paid for 2 WoL copies and now has 1 WoL copy per region.
Person B has paid for 2 WoL copies and now has 2 WoL copies per region.
See what's wrong here?
You still haven't made it any different than complaining that everyone who paid full price should get something back because the current price (on amazon) is $30.
If person B purchased 2 copies to have a smurf, he still does.
If Person A purchased the second copy to play on a second region... He still can.
Both players can still do what they set out to do.
Now, if person B purchased 2 copies to play on separate regions, on separate accounts and now suddenly has 2 accounts per region, that's just a bonus... As it is for everyone who only purchased a single account and can now play on multiple regions.
that is what is known as a false equivalency. are you a republican by any chance? ;p
I suppose that means I'd be able to afford multiple copies? (Or does that mean something different in UK?)
people who REGISTERED, not bought as you said (you dont buy a bnet account, they are free), on 2 separate accounts have to buy a second HotS copy, as it should be.
I made two posts. In both I say "purchase" and "copy".
Everyone knows that if you wait long enough, the price will come down, thats called economics.... what people don't expect is to buy 2 copies of anything then have one taken away from them because they kept them both in the same place instead of keeping them separate.
I have yet to hear about anyone actually LOSING anything. Or have people lost access to previous accounts and stats? (What was it you said about false equivalence?)
I paid for 3 copies of WoL, you paid for 1. How is it fair that I now get the same amount of copies of HotS as you do, when I paid for 3 times as many WoL copies as you? I should, as I paid for 3 copies of WoL, have the option to also purchase 3 copies of HotS to go with them. None of us are asking to be able to pay for HotS once an have access on all our accounts, we are however pretty pissed off that we don't have the option to upgrade them all, which would make blizz more money and not make us out of pocket.
I have to be honest, that's the kind of comment that brings to mind a certain political party... "They're taking away our freedom of upgrading to HotS individually."
edit: typo
People are LOSING a paid License of the game. So basically what they are doing is saying "if you bought two licenses on the same account then one of them will be void".
On February 11 2013 08:10 IMABUNNEH wrote: You chose to buy the game a second time. It's nothing to do with Blizzard. If the $60 or whatever mattered so much that you think you deserve something for free, then you probably shouldn't have spent it in the first place.
Imagine if you bought two Playstations, one that could only read Japanese games, and another that could only read North American games. Then Sony comes along releasing a patch allowing all Playstations to read games from all regions. Now, imagine if Sony came to your house and took a Playstation away from you because they felt you didn't need it. Would you be happy with them taking away a Playstation you paid for?
More like they just merged your two PS into one. Doesn't matter if you only have 1 TV. Your complaint is that peaople with ONLY American games are now allowed to play Japanese instead of buying two systems.
You're not losing anything. Just like people who waited 2 years to buy SC2 can do it for now for $30 instead of $60. (By your logic Blizzard is taking $30 away from everyone who purchased at full price.)
The only "fair" thing here would be to NOT introduce global play at all.
At least this way you'll get HotS on all servers with only spending money once (but you should probably wait 2 years so you don't feel ripped off when the price drops).
Person A buys 1 extra WoL copy. He registers it on his original battle.net account. He now has 2 WoL copies.
Person B buys 1 extra WoL copy. He registers it on a new battle.net account. He now has 2 WoL copies.
Global play comes along.
Person A has paid for 2 WoL copies and now has 1 WoL copy per region.
Person B has paid for 2 WoL copies and now has 2 WoL copies per region.
See what's wrong here?
You still haven't made it any different than complaining that everyone who paid full price should get something back because the current price (on amazon) is $30.
If person B purchased 2 copies to have a smurf, he still does.
If Person A purchased the second copy to play on a second region... He still can.
Both players can still do what they set out to do.
Now, if person B purchased 2 copies to play on separate regions, on separate accounts and now suddenly has 2 accounts per region, that's just a bonus... As it is for everyone who only purchased a single account and can now play on multiple regions.
that is what is known as a false equivalency. are you a republican by any chance? ;p
I suppose that means I'd be able to afford multiple copies? (Or does that mean something different in UK?)
people who REGISTERED, not bought as you said (you dont buy a bnet account, they are free), on 2 separate accounts have to buy a second HotS copy, as it should be.
I made two posts. In both I say "purchase" and "copy".
Everyone knows that if you wait long enough, the price will come down, thats called economics.... what people don't expect is to buy 2 copies of anything then have one taken away from them because they kept them both in the same place instead of keeping them separate.
I have yet to hear about anyone actually LOSING anything. Or have people lost access to previous accounts and stats? (What was it you said about false equivalence?)
I paid for 3 copies of WoL, you paid for 1. How is it fair that I now get the same amount of copies of HotS as you do, when I paid for 3 times as many WoL copies as you? I should, as I paid for 3 copies of WoL, have the option to also purchase 3 copies of HotS to go with them. None of us are asking to be able to pay for HotS once an have access on all our accounts, we are however pretty pissed off that we don't have the option to upgrade them all, which would make blizz more money and not make us out of pocket.
I have to be honest, that's the kind of comment that brings to mind a certain political party... "They're taking away our freedom of upgrading to HotS individually."
edit: typo
People are LOSING a paid License of the game. So basically what they are doing is saying "if you bought two licenses on the same account then one of them will be void".
So they are no longer able to play on the account/region they paid for? (or the statistics / information relating to the account are gone?)
On February 11 2013 08:10 IMABUNNEH wrote: You chose to buy the game a second time. It's nothing to do with Blizzard. If the $60 or whatever mattered so much that you think you deserve something for free, then you probably shouldn't have spent it in the first place.
Imagine if you bought two Playstations, one that could only read Japanese games, and another that could only read North American games. Then Sony comes along releasing a patch allowing all Playstations to read games from all regions. Now, imagine if Sony came to your house and took a Playstation away from you because they felt you didn't need it. Would you be happy with them taking away a Playstation you paid for?
More like they just merged your two PS into one. Doesn't matter if you only have 1 TV. Your complaint is that peaople with ONLY American games are now allowed to play Japanese instead of buying two systems.
You're not losing anything. Just like people who waited 2 years to buy SC2 can do it for now for $30 instead of $60. (By your logic Blizzard is taking $30 away from everyone who purchased at full price.)
The only "fair" thing here would be to NOT introduce global play at all.
At least this way you'll get HotS on all servers with only spending money once (but you should probably wait 2 years so you don't feel ripped off when the price drops).
The fair thing to do would be to give the account holders the option to split the license up onto multiple accounts, so I could play on 1 account and have my bro play on the other, like I could do before with my single account before they introduced global play...
Don't look at it as blizzard taking away what was yours or something. Why don't you consider it "You paid sixty bucks to have global play 2 years before anybody else?"
Thinking you deserve money back or whatever is silly. You paid for a service, and Blizzard provided that service. Now, they're providing it for free.
If you consider SC2 price dropping as economics, then consider this economics. Providing Global Play in Blizzard's eyes will boost sales more than requiring people to buy multiple copies. Whether or not that is true, it is a solid line of logic that you can follow. Just like decreasing the price of SC2 WoL to 30$ or however much it is will boost sales more than requiring people to pay 120$ to buy into HotS, and later 180$ for LOTV. If you want to bring in economics, then every single decision that Blizzard is making is bound by economics and a thought of cost/benefit.
@Emythrel: You sound like you have an entitlement issue. Are you a democrat by any chance? ;p
Now: here is your issue. How does blizzard prevent a family, possibly even one with family members in Europe and America (buying 2 copies to play the game in each region) from scamming Blizzard by only buying one HOTS account, by saying that "only one person bought it just so he could have global play." You can't prevent that. And if somebody bought multiple SC2 copies and has different battle.net accounts, are they left out to dry because they didn't bind them to the same battle.net email? (I don't actually know how it works, but the impression I got was that you could bind an SC2 account from EU and from NA to the same B.net ID) In that case, why should they not get a free HOTS copy but you should, even though you spent the same amount of money? Because they weren't as "clever" in attaching it to one account? And if they SHOULD, how does blizzard determine if it really is one person with two accounts, and not two people with two accounts? People use fake battle.net names all the time, and you can change your address.
It ultimately comes down to two things... one it's economics. And 2: consider it a feature. If you spend 1500$ on a computer that can run your 2 monitors in 2005, but it only costs 500$ to do that in 2013, (actually less), should you be reimbursed? Not really. You paid to gain whatever feature/advantage you had before it was cheap/the norm.
uhh... no. blizzard don't owe anyone who bought the game more than once anything at all
it was your decision to buy the game again just because you decided you wern't happy with your name. Yeah sure it was a change that should have been implemented. But if you're so adamant on changing something so arbitrary that you're going to spend $60-$80 then thats your own dumb decision.
The GSL would have had to buy probably close to, or maybe more than 100 copies of WOL for all the accounts for their players and the teams accounts for broadcasted GSL and GSTL matches. Do you really think blizzard is going to refund them for choosing to do that? All the players had their own accounts, it was GSLs decision to up their production quality by buying new accounts.
At the end of the day, you bought the same game more than once, no one made you do it, it was an impulsive decision you made over something arbitrary and kinda pointless. So live with your mistake.
On February 11 2013 08:10 IMABUNNEH wrote: You chose to buy the game a second time. It's nothing to do with Blizzard. If the $60 or whatever mattered so much that you think you deserve something for free, then you probably shouldn't have spent it in the first place.
Imagine if you bought two Playstations, one that could only read Japanese games, and another that could only read North American games. Then Sony comes along releasing a patch allowing all Playstations to read games from all regions. Now, imagine if Sony came to your house and took a Playstation away from you because they felt you didn't need it. Would you be happy with them taking away a Playstation you paid for?
More like they just merged your two PS into one. Doesn't matter if you only have 1 TV. Your complaint is that peaople with ONLY American games are now allowed to play Japanese instead of buying two systems.
You're not losing anything. Just like people who waited 2 years to buy SC2 can do it for now for $30 instead of $60. (By your logic Blizzard is taking $30 away from everyone who purchased at full price.)
The only "fair" thing here would be to NOT introduce global play at all.
At least this way you'll get HotS on all servers with only spending money once (but you should probably wait 2 years so you don't feel ripped off when the price drops).
Person A buys 1 extra WoL copy. He registers it on his original battle.net account. He now has 2 WoL copies.
Person B buys 1 extra WoL copy. He registers it on a new battle.net account. He now has 2 WoL copies.
Global play comes along.
Person A has paid for 2 WoL copies and now has 1 WoL copy per region.
Person B has paid for 2 WoL copies and now has 2 WoL copies per region.
See what's wrong here?
You still haven't made it any different than complaining that everyone who paid full price should get something back because the current price (on amazon) is $30.
If person B purchased 2 copies to have a smurf, he still does.
If Person A purchased the second copy to play on a second region... He still can.
Both players can still do what they set out to do.
Now, if person B purchased 2 copies to play on separate regions, on separate accounts and now suddenly has 2 accounts per region, that's just a bonus... As it is for everyone who only purchased a single account and can now play on multiple regions.
that is what is known as a false equivalency. are you a republican by any chance? ;p
I suppose that means I'd be able to afford multiple copies? (Or does that mean something different in UK?)
people who REGISTERED, not bought as you said (you dont buy a bnet account, they are free), on 2 separate accounts have to buy a second HotS copy, as it should be.
I made two posts. In both I say "purchase" and "copy".
Everyone knows that if you wait long enough, the price will come down, thats called economics.... what people don't expect is to buy 2 copies of anything then have one taken away from them because they kept them both in the same place instead of keeping them separate.
I have yet to hear about anyone actually LOSING anything. Or have people lost access to previous accounts and stats? (What was it you said about false equivalence?)
I paid for 3 copies of WoL, you paid for 1. How is it fair that I now get the same amount of copies of HotS as you do, when I paid for 3 times as many WoL copies as you? I should, as I paid for 3 copies of WoL, have the option to also purchase 3 copies of HotS to go with them. None of us are asking to be able to pay for HotS once an have access on all our accounts, we are however pretty pissed off that we don't have the option to upgrade them all, which would make blizz more money and not make us out of pocket.
I have to be honest, that's the kind of comment that brings to mind a certain political party... "They're taking away our freedom of upgrading to HotS individually."
edit: typo
People are LOSING a paid License of the game. So basically what they are doing is saying "if you bought two licenses on the same account then one of them will be void".
So they are no longer able to play on the account/region they paid for? (or the statistics / information relating to the account are gone?)
What you put in the quotations is EXACTLY the issue. If I bought two licenses on the same account then I should have two licenses with global play. With what Blizzard did, I only have one game license all together. The information for the other one is completely gone.
I want my money back for all those original xbox games I payed for to play on xbox live. They took the servers down and I can no longer play them. That's bullshit, give me my money back.
That's the logic you people are using. It's horrible. You bought a second copy knowing they were probably going to implement global play. I have quite a few friends who have multiple copies. Not one of them thinks they should be reimbursed any money.
On February 11 2013 12:44 Infernal_dream wrote: I want my money back for all those original xbox games I payed for to play on xbox live. They took the servers down and I can no longer play them. That's bullshit, give me my money back.
That's the logic you people are using. It's horrible. You bought a second copy knowing they were probably going to implement global play. I have quite a few friends who have multiple copies. Not one of them thinks they should be reimbursed any money.
LOL 2 completely different situation and you need to rethink on your logic. In your situation, everybody loses what they paid.
In this current situation, somebody (person with 2 b.net accounts with 1 sc2 in each) gains and another (person with 1 b.net account but 2 copies of sc2) loses.
On February 09 2013 06:56 shockaslim wrote: Not the same logic at all. Regardless if it was a different region or not. I bought TWO copies, I expect to have global play on TWO copies, not ONE.
I have two copies (previously one for EU and NA) and they both have global play.
I assume you had them both under the same battlenet account? Using two separate accounts enables both with global play options..
Then you are either too ignorant to read the OP's statement in full or you are trolling .... either way you are completely exempt from the argument and i would wager about 90% of the people making smug comments in here are on the same boat.
"Using two separate accounts enables both with global play options.." you are absolutely right ... now you go and find me the legal document i agreed to where Blizzard states that no more than one key can or should be bound to a single account and we wont have a leg to stand on ...... but they didn't and THAT is the point!
This ridiculous and quite frankly provocative nose rubbiing about "oh well i was smart enough to add my keys to separate accounts" that is great i am very pleased that you are not one of us that is left with half of what we paid for .... but it also questions how serious Blizzard were about not advocating smurfing because it ruins matchmaking do you not think?
Honestly i am sick of having to explain such a simple thing to people who talk like they have more than enough intelligence to grasp the concept.
Stop bitching and work on a solution. If you already know the solution, why don't you simply make a second account and have the SC2-2 license transferred to the another account? You're making such a giant issue over nothing.
Out of all the things to nit pick and get upset about. Oh internets.
Both your Game Licenses are still there and accessible if you log into the game with the Regional Game Client of your choice - you have not lost any progress for either the US or EU regions.
I'm sorry for any confusion caused
Regards,
Suioxga English Customer Support Team Blizzard Europe
/thread
Thank You. So pretty much in a nutshell, if you have an EU license and an NA license, if you log into the EU client then it activates the EU license, and if you log into the NA client it activates the NA license? Makes sense I guess.
Edit: I wonder what this means when we upgrade HotS then?
On February 11 2013 12:44 Infernal_dream wrote: I want my money back for all those original xbox games I payed for to play on xbox live. They took the servers down and I can no longer play them. That's bullshit, give me my money back.
That's the logic you people are using. It's horrible. You bought a second copy knowing they were probably going to implement global play. I have quite a few friends who have multiple copies. Not one of them thinks they should be reimbursed any money.
I think you need to take a few minutes to rethink that scenario again.
I fail to see how people can actually miss the point here.
People are NOT crying about global play. People are talking about Blizzard merging all their licenses into ONE – so the people that actually BOUGHT multiple copies of SC2:WoL to either have a smurf account etc LOSE the ability to play on the other accounts that they paid the full price of SC2:WoL for.
Most of the counter arguments in this thread is for "Well, you should have predicted Global Play..." but what if the point of buying n accounts was to be able to smurf? People lost money legitimately spent on SC2-licenses they no longer have access to, which is an error.
Blizzard is trying to amend this by telling you that you only need to purchase one copy of Heart of the Swarm which in my book is fine, because otherwise you would have to spent n times as much if you had n accounts.
There are several ways to fix the issue at hand, like making it possible to have n different SC2-licenses attached to the same account – but this would require you to purchase one copy of Heart of the Swarm per license. The other way would be to keep them merged into one and thus only require you to purchase one copy of HotS – because you effectively only have one license of WoL to upgrade.
I sincerely hope that people will read this post and stop bashing on people for trying to keep what they payed for.. tt
EDIT: Oh wait, if you buy a second account on the same region (say EU) as your first account do you get the account selection screen much like WoW when you log on? Because I know I've had some friends get the selection screen up when they try to log on...
On February 09 2013 06:56 shockaslim wrote: Not the same logic at all. Regardless if it was a different region or not. I bought TWO copies, I expect to have global play on TWO copies, not ONE.
I have two copies (previously one for EU and NA) and they both have global play.
I assume you had them both under the same battlenet account? Using two separate accounts enables both with global play options..
Then you are either too ignorant to read the OP's statement in full or you are trolling .... either way you are completely exempt from the argument and i would wager about 90% of the people making smug comments in here are on the same boat.
"Using two separate accounts enables both with global play options.." you are absolutely right ... now you go and find me the legal document i agreed to where Blizzard states that no more than one key can or should be bound to a single account and we wont have a leg to stand on ...... but they didn't and THAT is the point!
This ridiculous and quite frankly provocative nose rubbiing about "oh well i was smart enough to add my keys to separate accounts" that is great i am very pleased that you are not one of us that is left with half of what we paid for .... but it also questions how serious Blizzard were about not advocating smurfing because it ruins matchmaking do you not think?
Honestly i am sick of having to explain such a simple thing to people who talk like they have more than enough intelligence to grasp the concept.
Stop bitching and work on a solution. If you already know the solution, why don't you simply make a second account and have the SC2-2 license transferred to the another account? You're making such a giant issue over nothing.
Out of all the things to nit pick and get upset about. Oh internets.
No one is making a big deal out of this except the morons and trolls who have nothing to say about the topic and derailed it for 15 pages. Do you have two licenses on one account? Give your opinion. No? Get the fuck out and don't post when you can't even read the first paragraph which clearly states what this thread is about.
One in six pages someone is actually posting relevant information, you gotta search for it like gold though, because of 17 yo's getting too excited to read what a thread is about before posting.
I assume you had them both under the same battlenet account?
Was it the first sentence of the OP that made you come to that conclusion?
On February 11 2013 14:30 Inori wrote: Figured instead of crying about it on a fansite I just open a ticket and see where it leads.
Answer:
Both your Game Licenses are still there and accessible if you log into the game with the Regional Game Client of your choice - you have not lost any progress for either the US or EU regions.
I'm sorry for any confusion caused
Regards,
Suioxga English Customer Support Team Blizzard Europe
/thread
Thank You. So pretty much in a nutshell, if you have an EU license and an NA license, if you log into the EU client then it activates the EU license, and if you log into the NA client it activates the NA license? Makes sense I guess.
Edit: I wonder what this means when we upgrade HotS then?
Nothing as unless you are buying 2 hots accounts shouldn't affect anything.
Both your Game Licenses are still there and accessible if you log into the game with the Regional Game Client of your choice - you have not lost any progress for either the US or EU regions.
I'm sorry for any confusion caused
Regards,
Suioxga English Customer Support Team Blizzard Europe
/thread
Your response is generic customer support, the same people who told me paladins would never be tanks in WoW. It also only deals with access questions, this is not an access question. Basically customer support answers should be taken as a pinch of salt.
Firstly I think a clear definition of the problem is necessary: John uses 2 baskets which hold up to x paid eggs, James uses 1 basket which also holds up to x paid eggs. They both buy 2 eggs but John puts his into a second basket. The laws regarding eggs change now you no longer pay for eggs as long as you have one in your basket. With x=4 John:> John now has 2(baskets)*4(possible eggs)= 8 eggs (2 paid for) James:>James now has 1 basket *4 (possible eggs) (2 paid for) = 4 eggs (2 paid for) Conclusion can only be that John's choice to use 2 baskets was lucky and he doubled his yield. James would have to buy another egg and put it in another basket to get the same yield. Both acquired the same item of y value therefore James has lost out due to the change.
Now since this doesn't transfer well for possible resolutions in the real world situation. One outcome is to make each paid account work as a separate log-in or to allow transfers of sc2 accounts to battlenet accounts. It would only be fair to ignore the problem if there had been no paid transaction as now one method of having multiple accounts is vastly superior for the same outlay of cost.
As for the 'only one hots copy needed' this defeats the global play purpose which was to have hots be global play enabled which should mean if you buy hots you can play on any region on that battlenet account that has hots. It would also be unfair to those who used a separate battlenet account for regional accounts as they would not have hots on those but they could have and should in that case should be allowed to transfer their regional accounts (but this later situation shouldn’t exist).
I think it is most likely there will not be a resolution to this issue which is unfortunate but given the time needed to create the solution (the WoW game accounts solution, which needs some work as WoW allows multiple accounts on the same region per battlenet account) I don’t think we will see this. Especially as WoL will get less players.
On February 11 2013 14:30 Inori wrote: Figured instead of crying about it on a fansite I just open a ticket and see where it leads.
Answer:
Both your Game Licenses are still there and accessible if you log into the game with the Regional Game Client of your choice - you have not lost any progress for either the US or EU regions.
I'm sorry for any confusion caused
Regards,
Suioxga English Customer Support Team Blizzard Europe
/thread
Your response is generic customer support, the same people who told me paladins would never be tanks in WoW. It also only deals with access questions, this is not an access question. Basically customer support answers should be taken as a pinch of salt.
Firstly I think a clear definition of the problem is necessary: John uses 2 baskets which hold up to x paid eggs, James uses 1 basket which also holds up to x paid eggs. They both buy 2 eggs but John puts his into a second basket. The laws regarding eggs change now you no longer pay for eggs as long as you have one in your basket. With x=4 John:> John now has 2(baskets)*4(possible eggs)= 8 eggs (2 paid for) James:>James now has 1 basket *4 (possible eggs) (2 paid for) = 4 eggs (2 paid for) Conclusion can only be that John's choice to use 2 baskets was lucky and he doubled his yield. James would have to buy another egg and put it in another basket to get the same yield. Both acquired the same item of y value therefore James has lost out due to the change.
Now since this doesn't transfer well for possible resolutions in the real world situation. One outcome is to make each paid account work as a separate log-in or to allow transfers of sc2 accounts to battlenet accounts. It would only be fair to ignore the problem if there had been no paid transaction as now one method of having multiple accounts is vastly superior for the same outlay of cost.
As for the 'only one hots copy needed' this defeats the global play purpose which was to have hots be global play enabled which should mean if you buy hots you can play on any region on that battlenet account that has hots. It would also be unfair to those who used a separate battlenet account for regional accounts as they would not have hots on those but they could have and should in that case should be allowed to transfer their regional accounts (but this later situation shouldn’t exist).
I think it is most likely there will not be a resolution to this issue which is unfortunate but given the time needed to create the solution (the WoW game accounts solution, which needs some work as WoW allows multiple accounts on the same region per battlenet account) I don’t think we will see this. Especially as WoL will get less players.
Conclusion: Don't put all your eggs in the same basket!
Both your Game Licenses are still there and accessible if you log into the game with the Regional Game Client of your choice - you have not lost any progress for either the US or EU regions.
I'm sorry for any confusion caused
Regards,
Suioxga English Customer Support Team Blizzard Europe
/thread
Thank you. That answer still doesn't say whether you'll be able to log into the US region from your EU account and vice versa, though, or whether you'll just have one US and one EU account like everybody else, which is the crux of the issue here. Could you perhaps ask about a clarification for that?
On February 11 2013 14:30 Inori wrote: Figured instead of crying about it on a fansite I just open a ticket and see where it leads.
Answer:
Both your Game Licenses are still there and accessible if you log into the game with the Regional Game Client of your choice - you have not lost any progress for either the US or EU regions.
I'm sorry for any confusion caused
Regards,
Suioxga English Customer Support Team Blizzard Europe
/thread
Thank you. That answer still doesn't say whether you'll be able to log into the US region from your EU account and vice versa, though, or whether you'll just have one US and one EU account like everybody else, which is the crux of the issue here. Could you perhaps ask about a clarification for that?
But then what would people have to fight about for the next 30 days?
On February 11 2013 14:30 Inori wrote: Figured instead of crying about it on a fansite I just open a ticket and see where it leads.
Answer:
Both your Game Licenses are still there and accessible if you log into the game with the Regional Game Client of your choice - you have not lost any progress for either the US or EU regions.
I'm sorry for any confusion caused
Regards,
Suioxga English Customer Support Team Blizzard Europe
/thread
Thank you. That answer still doesn't say whether you'll be able to log into the US region from your EU account and vice versa, though, or whether you'll just have one US and one EU account like everybody else, which is the crux of the issue here. Could you perhaps ask about a clarification for that?
But then what would people have to fight about for the next 30 days?
Honestly, at this point I wish the mods would lock this thread until Global Play officially comes out. People have pointed out the issues often enough, and other people have ignored it and will keep ignoring it and go "You want a free HotS account how stupid you are herp derp!" for all eternity, it seems like.
People are NOT crying about global play. People are talking about Blizzard merging all their licenses into ONE – so the people that actually BOUGHT multiple copies of SC2:WoL to either have a smurf account etc LOSE the ability to play on the other accounts that they paid the full price of SC2:WoL for.
I don't understand, i have multiple copies and i can play on all of them.
Ok, let me see if I can get this right: If you log into hots with your EU client, you'll be able to play on that account and use whatever region you want, but to access your other game you have to log into an NA client?
I have 3 games right now, 1 on my main bnet account and another 2 (for KR and US) on a smurf account. Does this mean I still have to have 3 different games installed on my computer? Or do I simply lose one of my games? (Or, based on the number of pages on this thread, does no one know?)
On February 12 2013 04:07 Kakaru2 wrote: Right now the 2 copies on the smurf account will become one.
Then whats the point of the "you only have to buy one copy of hots"? Why would you buy more than one expansion for only one game? -.-
That would be like owning 3 cars, have 2 taken away, and for someone to come "But now you only have to buy gas for one! Aint this great?"
People are upset because they purchased two (or more) cars for their 3 car garage. Now Blizzard is saying that everyone with at least 1 car will get a full garage of American, European and Asian cars to chose from. People who purchased more than one car and kept them in the same garage are upset because they received fewer free cars than people with only one car per garage.
Also, you cars in the same garage only need one set of registration for future use. Somehow this is also labeled as a bad thing.
Nothing is being taken away.
*edit: I'm still not changing my stance that it would be nice of Blizzard to provide CD keys to people with multiple copies on the same account. I just think all the crying is a bit sad.
On February 12 2013 04:07 Kakaru2 wrote: Right now the 2 copies on the smurf account will become one.
Then whats the point of the "you only have to buy one copy of hots"? Why would you buy more than one expansion for only one game? -.-
That would be like owning 3 cars, have 2 taken away, and for someone to come "But now you only have to buy gas for one! Aint this great?"
People are upset because they purchased two (or more) cars for their 3 car garage. Now Blizzard is saying that everyone with at least 1 car will get a full garage of American, European and Asian cars to chose from. People who purchased more than one car and kept them in the same garage are upset because they received fewer free cars than people with only one car per garage.
Also, you cars in the same garage only need one set of registration for future use. Somehow this is also labeled as a bad thing.
Nothing is being taken away.
*edit: I'm still not changing my stance that it would be nice of Blizzard to provide CD keys to people with multiple copies on the same account. I just think all the crying is a bit sad.
I know I started with the analogy, but that made me incredibly confused
What you're saying is that people are angry because now everyone can play global, while before you had to buy more copies? I don't think thats it at all considering we're discussing more copies of the games on different/the same account and the consequences of it.
Tbh the best way for blizz to solve any of this would be to simply let us choose which account to login to when we fire up the game. I don't see any reason why we should need to have our copies distributed over several accounts and regions, especially after global play in hots.
On February 12 2013 04:07 Kakaru2 wrote: Right now the 2 copies on the smurf account will become one.
Then whats the point of the "you only have to buy one copy of hots"? Why would you buy more than one expansion for only one game? -.-
That would be like owning 3 cars, have 2 taken away, and for someone to come "But now you only have to buy gas for one! Aint this great?"
People are upset because they purchased two (or more) cars for their 3 car garage. Now Blizzard is saying that everyone with at least 1 car will get a full garage of American, European and Asian cars to chose from. People who purchased more than one car and kept them in the same garage are upset because they received fewer free cars than people with only one car per garage.
Also, you cars in the same garage only need one set of registration for future use. Somehow this is also labeled as a bad thing.
Nothing is being taken away.
*edit: I'm still not changing my stance that it would be nice of Blizzard to provide CD keys to people with multiple copies on the same account. I just think all the crying is a bit sad.
I know I started with the analogy, but that made me incredibly confused
What you're saying is that people are angry because now everyone can play global, while before you had to buy more copies? I don't think thats it at all considering we're discussing more copies of the games on different/the same account and the consequences of it.
Tbh the best way for blizz to solve any of this would be to simply let us choose which account to login to when we fire up the game. I don't see any reason why we should need to have our copies distributed over several accounts and regions, especially after global play in hots.
People who paid for multiple regions are upset that they are not benefiting from global play as much as others.
You mean something other than this? "Players can freely switch between regions via the StarCraft II login screen. Each region will have separate profile data, meaning that progress and friends lists will not carry over from region to region. Players using Global Play will be subject to the in-game policies in their selected play region." (that's from the FAQ)
On February 12 2013 04:07 Kakaru2 wrote: Right now the 2 copies on the smurf account will become one.
Then whats the point of the "you only have to buy one copy of hots"? Why would you buy more than one expansion for only one game? -.-
That would be like owning 3 cars, have 2 taken away, and for someone to come "But now you only have to buy gas for one! Aint this great?"
People are upset because they purchased two (or more) cars for their 3 car garage. Now Blizzard is saying that everyone with at least 1 car will get a full garage of American, European and Asian cars to chose from. People who purchased more than one car and kept them in the same garage are upset because they received fewer free cars than people with only one car per garage.
Also, you cars in the same garage only need one set of registration for future use. Somehow this is also labeled as a bad thing.
Nothing is being taken away.
*edit: I'm still not changing my stance that it would be nice of Blizzard to provide CD keys to people with multiple copies on the same account. I just think all the crying is a bit sad.
I know I started with the analogy, but that made me incredibly confused
What you're saying is that people are angry because now everyone can play global, while before you had to buy more copies? I don't think thats it at all considering we're discussing more copies of the games on different/the same account and the consequences of it.
Tbh the best way for blizz to solve any of this would be to simply let us choose which account to login to when we fire up the game. I don't see any reason why we should need to have our copies distributed over several accounts and regions, especially after global play in hots.
Players can freely switch between regions via the StarCraft II login screen. Each region will have separate profile data, meaning that progress and friends lists will not carry over from region to region. Players using Global Play will be subject to the in-game policies in their selected play region.
(that's from the FAQ)
No, that just means you get seperate accounts for each region. it does not mean you can get to choose which client you want to play on in ONE region providing you have more than one copy of the game.
I agree 100% on this matter. Blizzard is being unreasonable. Not to mention I now only own 1 copy of WOL although i purchased 3 copies, but i also can not buy HOTS in US dollar although i am in United states just because i registered in Singapore. This is nothing but silly and unfair.
Am I missing something? Can you not sell the extra copy you bought to someone else? That means it has the same monetary value as a single copy and that means that nobody owes you anything.
On February 12 2013 06:05 kuroshiro wrote: Am I missing something? Can you not sell the extra copy you bought to someone else? That means it has the same monetary value as a single copy and that means that nobody owes you anything.
You do not have the option of changing a client of sc2 to another account, and selling accounts is illegal atm. So no, you can not sell your excess sc2 games.
On January 27 2013 06:50 Lonyo wrote: With Global Play, those with 2 or more copies of SC2 on one account, for multiple regions, will have bought multiple copies of SC2 for no eventual reason. The money paid for those additional copies will be meaningless.
Should Blizzard be nice and do something like give free HotS to people who now have multiple copies of SC2 that they were made to buy because of the lack of Global Play? Or is it just a case of screw the customers and they shouldn't get anything?
Basically we paid twice for WoL in order to get something that is now a part of the base WoL package, so IMO we should get back that money in some fashion. Getting a free copy of HotS seems reasonable, since it was Blizzard being bad at making a game that caused the whole issue in the first place.
Clarification:
Based on current understanding, those with 1 copy of SC2 on an account will be able to play on any region and have one "character" per region. Those with multiple copies of SC2 on one account with be able to play on any region, and also only one one "character" per region.
Basically you paid for 2 copies of SC2, and they are taking one away, based on current understanding oh how it works.
Blizzard never forced anyone to buy extra copies of anything. They are not responsible for it.
As a courtesy (even though i think they are not required to do anything about this issue), they might give you something in return but i doubt it.
I just want to clarify that my question isn't whether I'll be able to connect to US and EU from now on, as that's the default behaviour, even for people with 1 license, question is whether I'll be able to use both my licenses separately.
So I should have: EU & NA access for EU license (retail purchase). and then separately EU & NA access for NA license (digital purchase).
To clarify, you can use both of your licences seperately.
To access the US licence you need a US region game client To access the EU licence, you need an EU region game client.
Both of these can be run seperately at this time.
Ok, this is actually what I thought. So I will still need 3 separate games installed on my computer, but at least I'll be able to play on 3 separate accounts.
So here's my follow up questions. Since theres talk about "only needing one hots for each account", does that mean its now a lot better to keep all 3 games on the same account instead of separate accounts?
On February 12 2013 06:15 Inori wrote: Update on my support ticket:
Question:
I just want to clarify that my question isn't whether I'll be able to connect to US and EU from now on, as that's the default behaviour, even for people with 1 license, question is whether I'll be able to use both my licenses separately.
So I should have: EU & NA access for EU license (retail purchase). and then separately EU & NA access for NA license (digital purchase).
Answer:
To clarify, you can use both of your licences seperately.
To access the US licence you need a US region game client To access the EU licence, you need an EU region game client.
Both of these can be run seperately at this time.
Ok, this is actually what I thought. So I will still need 3 separate games installed on my computer, but at least I'll be able to play on 3 separate accounts.
So here's my follow up questions. Since theres talk about "only needing one hots for each account", does that mean its now a lot better to keep all 3 games on the same account instead of separate accounts?
we all knew we were getting gypped with 1 name per account, knowing that people bought multiple copies anyways, knowing they would need to buy hots per wol account now they say they want free/discounted hots because of that? ?????
i too wanted a smurf account but i wasnt going to pay them a fucking cent for it. luckily i got one for free via a friend who doesnt play anymore.
So here's my follow up questions. Since theres talk about "only needing one hots for each account", does that mean its now a lot better to keep all 3 games on the same account instead of separate accounts?
That's what I think.
Where are all the smart-asses that have foresaw global play and bought licenses on separate accounts now? :D
As long as they can you different “names” or accounts in each region, does it really matter? I mean, then Blizzard just said “Hey, now with Global Play, we made it so you don’t need remember 5 passwords. Now you can have all your accounts under one master account.”
I am going to have to see this in action, but merging the account system and just giving people the option to login-in under different profiles sounds way easier for the user.
that's 99% not how it's gonna work - the same way you bought an EU license and an NA license for the same account, you will also have to (I assume) buy an EU hots to upgrade your EU wol and a NA hots to upgrade your NA wol.
It would make NO sense for them to let you upgrade 2 keys with one purchase of hots. They have great PR and undoubtedly they'll help people in this position, but I highly doubt they'd do it at the direct cost of their sales.
On February 12 2013 06:38 n0ise wrote: that's 99% not how it's gonna work - the same way you bought an EU license and an NA license for the same account, you will also have to (I assume) buy an EU hots to upgrade your EU wol and a NA hots to upgrade your NA wol.
It would make NO sense for them to let you upgrade 2 keys with one purchase of hots. They have great PR and undoubtedly they'll help people in this position, but I highly doubt they'd do it at the direct cost of their sales.
What are you even talking about? You can play SC2:WoL, RIGHT NOW, on EU, NA, SEA, or TW/KR with ANY license. You will only need to buy a SC:HotS to be able to play on ANY server. The problem comes in when people bought multiple region licenses, and stuck them all onto 1 account. In which case, yes we get screwed. But, whatever.
On February 12 2013 06:38 n0ise wrote: that's 99% not how it's gonna work - the same way you bought an EU license and an NA license for the same account, you will also have to (I assume) buy an EU hots to upgrade your EU wol and a NA hots to upgrade your NA wol.
It would make NO sense for them to let you upgrade 2 keys with one purchase of hots. They have great PR and undoubtedly they'll help people in this position, but I highly doubt they'd do it at the direct cost of their sales.
What are you even talking about? You can play SC2:WoL, RIGHT NOW, on EU, NA, SEA, or TW/KR with ANY license. You will only need to buy a SC:HotS to be able to play on ANY server. The problem comes in when people bought multiple region licenses, and stuck them all onto 1 account. In which case, yes we get screwed. But, whatever.
Read like 8 posts above. That isn't the case at all any more.
Well, something is wrong with the Blizzard answer. Eu install for SC2.
When I connect to EU server I play my EU profile. When I connect to US Server I play my old US profile, I don't get the prompt to create a new US char/name and start from 0.
So basically, what Blizzard support told you was a lie.
If you have more than one regional copy of Wings of Liberty and want to upgrade to Heart of the Swarm, you only need to upgrade one of them. The Heart of the Swarm upgrade applies to all regional versions of Wings of Liberty on your Battle.net account.
Is all we need to know. So that settles it. Its better to have all games in one account (provided they are different regions of course), than on separate accounts.
Already opened a ticket to have mine moved to my main. I hope its possible
If you have more than one regional copy of Wings of Liberty and want to upgrade to Heart of the Swarm, you only need to upgrade one of them. The Heart of the Swarm upgrade applies to all regional versions of Wings of Liberty on your Battle.net account.
Is all we need to know. So that settles it. Its better to have all games in one account (provided they are different regions of course), than on separate accounts.
Already opened a ticket to have mine moved to my main. I hope its possible
yeah but if you have them on all account, they just say global. and All my say NA and EU etc are merged into one game saying region global as if they are gone.... merged into one. Meaning I no longer have 2 licenses of SC2 and now only 1 with global play...
If you have more than one regional copy of Wings of Liberty and want to upgrade to Heart of the Swarm, you only need to upgrade one of them. The Heart of the Swarm upgrade applies to all regional versions of Wings of Liberty on your Battle.net account.
Is all we need to know. So that settles it. Its better to have all games in one account (provided they are different regions of course), than on separate accounts.
Already opened a ticket to have mine moved to my main. I hope its possible
yeah but if you have them on all account, they just say global. and All my say NA and EU etc are merged into one game saying region global as if they are gone.... merged into one. Meaning I no longer have 2 licenses of SC2 and now only 1 with global play...
No, you're mistaken. There will still be one client for EU, one client for US, one client for KR, etc. And your game is still attached to whatever region you bought it in. meaning you have 3 different accounts, and you choose between them by using different region clients, just like in WoL.
The difference is that after you log into the game, you can then choose where you want to play.
Eksample: If you have one EU version of the game and one US on the same account, you can choose between them depending on what region client you use to login. And then you can have them online at the same time and play against yourself.
If you have more than one regional copy of Wings of Liberty and want to upgrade to Heart of the Swarm, you only need to upgrade one of them. The Heart of the Swarm upgrade applies to all regional versions of Wings of Liberty on your Battle.net account.
Is all we need to know. So that settles it. Its better to have all games in one account (provided they are different regions of course), than on separate accounts.
Already opened a ticket to have mine moved to my main. I hope its possible
yeah but if you have them on all account, they just say global. and All my say NA and EU etc are merged into one game saying region global as if they are gone.... merged into one. Meaning I no longer have 2 licenses of SC2 and now only 1 with global play...
So wait, if you bought 30 copies of SC2, you only need to buy one copy of HotS and they are all upgraded to HotS. You get 30 different accounts for HotS. WHAT THE FUCK ELSE DO YOU WANT? Do you want them all separated into separate little login and listed on separate pages and called separate licenses, just so feel like you have multiple copies? Because it all looks the same on Blizzard's end, they still link all those copies to one master account under the HotS licence. They have your email address, its just numbers to them. They know who you are and how many copies you have. At the end of the day, as long as you can log out and log in under different profiles, isn't that all the matters?
This is the definition of entitled. They gave you free stuff for supporting them and allowed you to upgrade multiple with once purchase. But they did not do it in the format you wanted.
If you have more than one regional copy of Wings of Liberty and want to upgrade to Heart of the Swarm, you only need to upgrade one of them. The Heart of the Swarm upgrade applies to all regional versions of Wings of Liberty on your Battle.net account.
Is all we need to know. So that settles it. Its better to have all games in one account (provided they are different regions of course), than on separate accounts.
Already opened a ticket to have mine moved to my main. I hope its possible
yeah but if you have them on all account, they just say global. and All my say NA and EU etc are merged into one game saying region global as if they are gone.... merged into one. Meaning I no longer have 2 licenses of SC2 and now only 1 with global play...
So wait, if you bought 30 copies of SC2, you only need to buy one copy of HotS and they are all upgraded to HotS. You get 30 different accounts for HotS. WHAT THE FUCK ELSE DO YOU WANT? Do you want them all separated into separate little login and listed on separate pages and called separate licenses, just so feel like you have multiple copies? Because it all looks the same on Blizzard's end, they still link all those copies to one master account under the HotS licence. They have your email address, its just numbers to them. They know who you are and how many copies you have. At the end of the day, as long as you can log out and log in under different profiles, isn't that all the matters?
This is the definition of entitled. They gave you free stuff for supporting them and allowed you to upgrade multiple with once purchase. But they did not do it in the format you wanted.
uhh what are you even talking about... It look like I only have 1 account on each region... and thats what support just told me... So my other licenses ARE "GONE". I cant even upgrade them to HOTS because they are GONE. Meaning as it stands, I dont get a "free" upgrade to hots for my EU, because the other regions are gone, and been merged into one global play game. Meaning that I only have an account for each region. Not accounts for each license I bought.
If you have more than one regional copy of Wings of Liberty and want to upgrade to Heart of the Swarm, you only need to upgrade one of them. The Heart of the Swarm upgrade applies to all regional versions of Wings of Liberty on your Battle.net account.
Is all we need to know. So that settles it. Its better to have all games in one account (provided they are different regions of course), than on separate accounts.
Already opened a ticket to have mine moved to my main. I hope its possible
yeah but if you have them on all account, they just say global. and All my say NA and EU etc are merged into one game saying region global as if they are gone.... merged into one. Meaning I no longer have 2 licenses of SC2 and now only 1 with global play...
So wait, if you bought 30 copies of SC2, you only need to buy one copy of HotS and they are all upgraded to HotS. You get 30 different accounts for HotS. WHAT THE FUCK ELSE DO YOU WANT? Do you want them all separated into separate little login and listed on separate pages and called separate licenses, just so feel like you have multiple copies? Because it all looks the same on Blizzard's end, they still link all those copies to one master account under the HotS licence. They have your email address, its just numbers to them. They know who you are and how many copies you have. At the end of the day, as long as you can log out and log in under different profiles, isn't that all the matters?
This is the definition of entitled. They gave you free stuff for supporting them and allowed you to upgrade multiple with once purchase. But they did not do it in the format you wanted.
I think he was just confused as to how to access all his accounts. Also, you can only have one copy of sc2 pr region pr account afaik. So Even if you go all out you can still only have 5 copies pr account.
Most of the problems here stems from people being uninformed, not entitled.
If you have more than one regional copy of Wings of Liberty and want to upgrade to Heart of the Swarm, you only need to upgrade one of them. The Heart of the Swarm upgrade applies to all regional versions of Wings of Liberty on your Battle.net account.
Is all we need to know. So that settles it. Its better to have all games in one account (provided they are different regions of course), than on separate accounts.
Already opened a ticket to have mine moved to my main. I hope its possible
yeah but if you have them on all account, they just say global. and All my say NA and EU etc are merged into one game saying region global as if they are gone.... merged into one. Meaning I no longer have 2 licenses of SC2 and now only 1 with global play...
So wait, if you bought 30 copies of SC2, you only need to buy one copy of HotS and they are all upgraded to HotS. You get 30 different accounts for HotS. WHAT THE FUCK ELSE DO YOU WANT? Do you want them all separated into separate little login and listed on separate pages and called separate licenses, just so feel like you have multiple copies? Because it all looks the same on Blizzard's end, they still link all those copies to one master account under the HotS licence. They have your email address, its just numbers to them. They know who you are and how many copies you have. At the end of the day, as long as you can log out and log in under different profiles, isn't that all the matters?
This is the definition of entitled. They gave you free stuff for supporting them and allowed you to upgrade multiple with once purchase. But they did not do it in the format you wanted.
uhh what are you even talking about... It look like I only have 1 account on each region... and thats what support just told me... So my other licenses ARE "GONE". I cant even upgrade them to HOTS because they are GONE. Meaning as it stands, I dont get a "free" upgrade to hots for my EU, because the other regions are gone, and been merged into one global play game. Meaning that I only have an account for each region. Not accounts for each license I bought.
Huh? You mean you had more than one copy of sc2 pr region on the same account? Afaik that should never have been possible. You sure you just didn't forget that you placed your copies under other account names?
If you have more than one regional copy of Wings of Liberty and want to upgrade to Heart of the Swarm, you only need to upgrade one of them. The Heart of the Swarm upgrade applies to all regional versions of Wings of Liberty on your Battle.net account.
Is all we need to know. So that settles it. Its better to have all games in one account (provided they are different regions of course), than on separate accounts.
Already opened a ticket to have mine moved to my main. I hope its possible
yeah but if you have them on all account, they just say global. and All my say NA and EU etc are merged into one game saying region global as if they are gone.... merged into one. Meaning I no longer have 2 licenses of SC2 and now only 1 with global play...
So wait, if you bought 30 copies of SC2, you only need to buy one copy of HotS and they are all upgraded to HotS. You get 30 different accounts for HotS. WHAT THE FUCK ELSE DO YOU WANT? Do you want them all separated into separate little login and listed on separate pages and called separate licenses, just so feel like you have multiple copies? Because it all looks the same on Blizzard's end, they still link all those copies to one master account under the HotS licence. They have your email address, its just numbers to them. They know who you are and how many copies you have. At the end of the day, as long as you can log out and log in under different profiles, isn't that all the matters?
This is the definition of entitled. They gave you free stuff for supporting them and allowed you to upgrade multiple with once purchase. But they did not do it in the format you wanted.
I think he was just confused as to how to access all his accounts. Also, you can only have one copy of sc2 pr region pr account afaik. So Even if you go all out you can still only have 5 copies pr account.
Most of the problems here stems from people being uninformed, not entitled.
I just get tired of it, because people clearly just want to whine about something. Blizzard could have gone the total dick route and forced people choose one account to upgrade. It would have been bad long term and they did right by the people who bought several copies of their game. But they didn't, but people still want to speculate that they will somehow merge all the copies of SC2 into one and run off with the money, laughing into the night.
If you have more than one regional copy of Wings of Liberty and want to upgrade to Heart of the Swarm, you only need to upgrade one of them. The Heart of the Swarm upgrade applies to all regional versions of Wings of Liberty on your Battle.net account.
Is all we need to know. So that settles it. Its better to have all games in one account (provided they are different regions of course), than on separate accounts.
Already opened a ticket to have mine moved to my main. I hope its possible
yeah but if you have them on all account, they just say global. and All my say NA and EU etc are merged into one game saying region global as if they are gone.... merged into one. Meaning I no longer have 2 licenses of SC2 and now only 1 with global play...
So wait, if you bought 30 copies of SC2, you only need to buy one copy of HotS and they are all upgraded to HotS. You get 30 different accounts for HotS. WHAT THE FUCK ELSE DO YOU WANT? Do you want them all separated into separate little login and listed on separate pages and called separate licenses, just so feel like you have multiple copies? Because it all looks the same on Blizzard's end, they still link all those copies to one master account under the HotS licence. They have your email address, its just numbers to them. They know who you are and how many copies you have. At the end of the day, as long as you can log out and log in under different profiles, isn't that all the matters?
This is the definition of entitled. They gave you free stuff for supporting them and allowed you to upgrade multiple with once purchase. But they did not do it in the format you wanted.
I think he was just confused as to how to access all his accounts. Also, you can only have one copy of sc2 pr region pr account afaik. So Even if you go all out you can still only have 5 copies pr account.
Most of the problems here stems from people being uninformed, not entitled.
I just get tired of it, because people clearly just want to whine about something. Blizzard could have gone the total dick route and forced people choose one account to upgrade. It would have been bad long term and they did right by the people who bought several copies of their game. But they didn't, but people still want to speculate that they will somehow merge all the copies of SC2 into one and run off with the money, laughing into the night.
That would have been the most normal thing to do tbh, having to buy one expo pr game of wol. Kinda surprised myself they decided to go a less economic driven route.
Excludos I think you are a bit confused about the situation. What you are thinking (or was told, which was wrong) is that if you have an NA and EU license on the same account, then you still have those two seperate licenses as long as you have their respective game client. I have tried this and it still limits me to a total of 3 "characters" on NA, EU, KR. If you log onto EU server from the NA client, it still brings up the account that is tied to your EU license, although you should have a completely different "character" on there from the NA license.
Something like this: I bought NA license, named Elairec. I bought EU license, named it ZergOP. Upon release of the global play (assuming I only want to play on EU, NA, KR), I should have the option to log onto NA and create a new character for my EU license, log onto EU and create a new character for my NA license, and log onto KR and create two new characters for both licenses. However what is happening is I log onto NA and am pigeonholed into playing under the character Elairec without any option to play under my EU license. Same thing happens when I log onto the EU server; I am forced to play with my EU license with no option for my NA license. When I log onto the KR server, there is only one opportunity to create a new character when there should be two. It doesn't even matter if I run the game through an EU client or NA client. In the end I (and others) paid for two games and are being held to just one being useful. If I had registered it onto another email, then there wouldn't be an issue as I would have access to two characters on NA, EU, and KR.
In the end, all I want is to be able to transfer over one of my licenses into a seperate account, for which I have NOT received a response for my ticket on. I dont care if I have to buy two HoTS to upgrade both of them - that is the only logical thing for Blizzard to have us do anyways.
If you have more than one regional copy of Wings of Liberty and want to upgrade to Heart of the Swarm, you only need to upgrade one of them. The Heart of the Swarm upgrade applies to all regional versions of Wings of Liberty on your Battle.net account.
Is all we need to know. So that settles it. Its better to have all games in one account (provided they are different regions of course), than on separate accounts.
Already opened a ticket to have mine moved to my main. I hope its possible
yeah but if you have them on all account, they just say global. and All my say NA and EU etc are merged into one game saying region global as if they are gone.... merged into one. Meaning I no longer have 2 licenses of SC2 and now only 1 with global play...
So wait, if you bought 30 copies of SC2, you only need to buy one copy of HotS and they are all upgraded to HotS. You get 30 different accounts for HotS. WHAT THE FUCK ELSE DO YOU WANT? Do you want them all separated into separate little login and listed on separate pages and called separate licenses, just so feel like you have multiple copies? Because it all looks the same on Blizzard's end, they still link all those copies to one master account under the HotS licence. They have your email address, its just numbers to them. They know who you are and how many copies you have. At the end of the day, as long as you can log out and log in under different profiles, isn't that all the matters?
This is the definition of entitled. They gave you free stuff for supporting them and allowed you to upgrade multiple with once purchase. But they did not do it in the format you wanted.
What the fuck are you doing here, honestly? You have no idea what you're talking about, you don't understand anything out of what is being discussed in this thread, and no matter what anyone tells you, you still keep rambling on. You're completely off-topic and have the comprehension of a 2 year-old, don't you have anything better to do with your time?
The guy above me actually has something pertaining to the conversation and he is awaiting a response ticket from support. Could I not have to search for his answer through 3 pages of off-topic garbage? Or is it too fucking much to ask to stop trolling this thread so we can have a discussion like normal human beings?
Ok i got a response to my created ticket: Unfortunately in german so here is the translated version:
Dear Blizzard Customer,
I am pleased to answer your question. Unfortunately our waiting period is currently unusually high, I personally want to apologize for that.
Unfortunately Global Play wasn't planned back then (I referred to a ticket 1,5yrs back in my ticket) and therefore many players used the opportunity to create two accounts for different regions. A refund isn't possible in this case since both accounts were legitimately useable. We apologize for any inconvenience.
If you have any questions don't hesitate to ask. We are available 24/7/365 for you.
Epical Regards
GM Vemgorath
Blizzard Entertainment
this gotta be a huge joke since this wont stand any ground infront of any court.
If you have no clue pls don't post here: @Excludos, Plansix
What blizzard basically did is they donated everyone, who bought sc2 for one region, accounts for the missing regions. This obviously sucks for people (like me) that bought another copy in a different region. We actually didn't gain anything from that present. It really sucks but we didn't loose anything because of global play. We missed an opportunity to get additional copies if we bought the sc2 copy under a different account so. Edit: I assume that's also what a court would say if you sue them.
On February 12 2013 22:53 Elairec wrote: Excludos I think you are a bit confused about the situation. What you are thinking (or was told, which was wrong) is that if you have an NA and EU license on the same account, then you still have those two seperate licenses as long as you have their respective game client. I have tried this and it still limits me to a total of 3 "characters" on NA, EU, KR. If you log onto EU server from the NA client, it still brings up the account that is tied to your EU license, although you should have a completely different "character" on there from the NA license.
Something like this: I bought NA license, named Elairec. I bought EU license, named it ZergOP. Upon release of the global play (assuming I only want to play on EU, NA, KR), I should have the option to log onto NA and create a new character for my EU license, log onto EU and create a new character for my NA license, and log onto KR and create two new characters for both licenses. However what is happening is I log onto NA and am pigeonholed into playing under the character Elairec without any option to play under my EU license. Same thing happens when I log onto the EU server; I am forced to play with my EU license with no option for my NA license. When I log onto the KR server, there is only one opportunity to create a new character when there should be two. It doesn't even matter if I run the game through an EU client or NA client. In the end I (and others) paid for two games and are being held to just one being useful. If I had registered it onto another email, then there wouldn't be an issue as I would have access to two characters on NA, EU, and KR.
In the end, all I want is to be able to transfer over one of my licenses into a seperate account, for which I have NOT received a response for my ticket on. I dont care if I have to buy two HoTS to upgrade both of them - that is the only logical thing for Blizzard to have us do anyways.
"To clarify, you can use both of your licences seperately.
To access the US licence you need a US region game client To access the EU licence, you need an EU region game client.
Both of these can be run seperately at this time."
from blizzard costumer service.
That goes directly against what you're saying. The way I read it, you should be able to access EU from your US client, and have a different character than if you logged into EU with an EU client. That would also be the logical way of doing it.
On February 12 2013 23:39 Thune wrote: Ok i got a response to my created ticket: Unfortunately in german so here is the translated version:
I am pleased to answer your question. Unfortunately our waiting period is currently unusually high, I personally want to apologize for that.
Unfortunately Global Play wasn't planned back then (I referred to a ticket 1,5yrs back in my ticket) and therefore many players used the opportunity to create two accounts for different regions. A refund isn't possible in this case since both accounts were legitimately useable., da beide Accounts ja entsprechend genutzt werden konnten. We apologize for any inconvenience.
If you have any questions don't hesitate to ask. We are available 24/7/365 for you.
Epical Regards
GM Vemgorath
Blizzard Entertainment
this gotta be a huge joke since this wont stand any ground infront of any court.
Aaand then this goes directly against what was said earlier. I'm starting to wonder if they themselves know..
I am pleased to answer your question. Unfortunately our waiting period is currently unusually high, I personally want to apologize for that.
Unfortunately Global Play wasn't planned back then (I referred to a ticket 1,5yrs back in my ticket) and therefore many players used the opportunity to create two accounts for different regions. A refund isn't possible in this case since both accounts were legitimately useable., da beide Accounts ja entsprechend genutzt werden konnten. We apologize for any inconvenience.
If you have any questions don't hesitate to ask. We are available 24/7/365 for you.
Epical Regards
GM Vemgorath
Blizzard Entertainment
this gotta be a huge joke since this wont stand any ground infront of any court.
Ok, I am calling BS on that ticket, because it is clear you asked for a refund for an account you used. Anyone who thought they would get refunded for the accounts they bought is just silly. And I encourage you to try to bring a claim in court over this, rather than just claiming it would not “stand in court”. I think you would find the results both educational and enlightening.
I am pleased to answer your question. Unfortunately our waiting period is currently unusually high, I personally want to apologize for that.
Unfortunately Global Play wasn't planned back then (I referred to a ticket 1,5yrs back in my ticket) and therefore many players used the opportunity to create two accounts for different regions. A refund isn't possible in this case since both accounts were legitimately useable., da beide Accounts ja entsprechend genutzt werden konnten. We apologize for any inconvenience.
If you have any questions don't hesitate to ask. We are available 24/7/365 for you.
Epical Regards
GM Vemgorath
Blizzard Entertainment
this gotta be a huge joke since this wont stand any ground infront of any court.
Dude, I don't think anyone ever expects a refund, free hots, sex with dustin browder, ect.
The real question is (to which the answer is 99% yes, imo) can they separate the two licenses into two separate accounts. Would be cool if there was any confirmation on it, though.
On February 12 2013 23:54 StarGalaxy wrote: If you have no clue pls don't post here: @Excludos, Plansix
What blizzard basically did is they donated everyone, who bought sc2 for one region, accounts for the missing regions. This obviously sucks for people (like me) that bought another copy in a different region. We actually didn't gain anything from that present. It really sucks but we didn't loose anything because of global play. We missed an opportunity to get additional copies if we bought the sc2 copy under a different account so. Edit: I assume that's also what a court would say if you sue them.
Please don't just go around randomly saying people have no clue when its clear you yourself haven't been reading up on the subject properly. Suppression techniques is a really bad way of arguing.
Feedback from costumer service indicates that additional copies of sc2 will yield additional characters you can use online. You should have different characters if you log into EU with a US client (provided you have the copies, of course), than if you log into EU with an EU client.
On February 12 2013 22:53 Elairec wrote: Excludos I think you are a bit confused about the situation. What you are thinking (or was told, which was wrong) is that if you have an NA and EU license on the same account, then you still have those two seperate licenses as long as you have their respective game client. I have tried this and it still limits me to a total of 3 "characters" on NA, EU, KR. If you log onto EU server from the NA client, it still brings up the account that is tied to your EU license, although you should have a completely different "character" on there from the NA license.
Something like this: I bought NA license, named Elairec. I bought EU license, named it ZergOP. Upon release of the global play (assuming I only want to play on EU, NA, KR), I should have the option to log onto NA and create a new character for my EU license, log onto EU and create a new character for my NA license, and log onto KR and create two new characters for both licenses. However what is happening is I log onto NA and am pigeonholed into playing under the character Elairec without any option to play under my EU license. Same thing happens when I log onto the EU server; I am forced to play with my EU license with no option for my NA license. When I log onto the KR server, there is only one opportunity to create a new character when there should be two. It doesn't even matter if I run the game through an EU client or NA client. In the end I (and others) paid for two games and are being held to just one being useful. If I had registered it onto another email, then there wouldn't be an issue as I would have access to two characters on NA, EU, and KR.
In the end, all I want is to be able to transfer over one of my licenses into a seperate account, for which I have NOT received a response for my ticket on. I dont care if I have to buy two HoTS to upgrade both of them - that is the only logical thing for Blizzard to have us do anyways.
"To clarify, you can use both of your licences seperately.
To access the US licence you need a US region game client To access the EU licence, you need an EU region game client.
Both of these can be run seperately at this time."
from blizzard costumer service.
That goes directly against what you're saying. The way I read it, you should be able to access EU from your US client, and have a different character than if you logged into EU with an EU client. That would also be the logical way of doing it.
On February 12 2013 23:39 Thune wrote: Ok i got a response to my created ticket: Unfortunately in german so here is the translated version:
Dear Blizzard Customer,
I am pleased to answer your question. Unfortunately our waiting period is currently unusually high, I personally want to apologize for that.
Unfortunately Global Play wasn't planned back then (I referred to a ticket 1,5yrs back in my ticket) and therefore many players used the opportunity to create two accounts for different regions. A refund isn't possible in this case since both accounts were legitimately useable., da beide Accounts ja entsprechend genutzt werden konnten. We apologize for any inconvenience.
If you have any questions don't hesitate to ask. We are available 24/7/365 for you.
Epical Regards
GM Vemgorath
Blizzard Entertainment
this gotta be a huge joke since this wont stand any ground infront of any court.
Aaand then this goes directly against what was said earlier. I'm starting to wonder if they themselves know..
It doesn't matter what the website says or how you interpret it. The fact remains that no matter if you are logging on with an EU client or an NA client, you are still logging in with the SAME email and all the licenses have been MERGED. The fact I stated that I installed seperate clients and it doesn't react the way you interpret it should just flew right over your head? The purpose of different clients is not to seperate licenses, but to enforce different region language packs. Having a seperate EU client is the same as relocalizing your NA client to run on the EU server.
Please just stop spreading the rumour that all is well if you install different clients. Try it yourself.
On February 12 2013 23:39 Thune wrote: Ok i got a response to my created ticket: Unfortunately in german so here is the translated version:
Dear Blizzard Customer,
I am pleased to answer your question. Unfortunately our waiting period is currently unusually high, I personally want to apologize for that.
Unfortunately Global Play wasn't planned back then (I referred to a ticket 1,5yrs back in my ticket) and therefore many players used the opportunity to create two accounts for different regions. A refund isn't possible in this case since both accounts were legitimately useable. We apologize for any inconvenience.
If you have any questions don't hesitate to ask. We are available 24/7/365 for you.
Epical Regards
GM Vemgorath
Blizzard Entertainment
this gotta be a huge joke since this wont stand any ground infront of any court.
Ok, I am calling BS on that ticket, because it is clear you asked for a refund for an account you used. Anyone who thought they would get refunded for the accounts they bought is just silly. And I encourage you to try to bring a claim in court over this, rather than just claiming it would not “stand in court”. I think you would find the results both educational and enlightening.
You can call for bullshit all you want i never asked the support for a refund. Here my question (also translated from German):
Hello,
After the Introduction of Global Play, mutliple Starcraft versions got removed from my account allthough i legitimately payed for it. Back then, when i created a ticket for adding a second SC2 version to my account (Ticket#: EU21420530) the response was that there are no plans for Global Play, which changed by now obviously. What will be the next steps regarding this issue? Will there be a second SC2 key (for a different account obviously) or will there maybe be a free HotS as refund?
BR
also you really shouldnt write in this thread since you have absolutely no knowledge what you are talking about
On February 12 2013 22:53 Elairec wrote: Excludos I think you are a bit confused about the situation. What you are thinking (or was told, which was wrong) is that if you have an NA and EU license on the same account, then you still have those two seperate licenses as long as you have their respective game client. I have tried this and it still limits me to a total of 3 "characters" on NA, EU, KR. If you log onto EU server from the NA client, it still brings up the account that is tied to your EU license, although you should have a completely different "character" on there from the NA license.
Something like this: I bought NA license, named Elairec. I bought EU license, named it ZergOP. Upon release of the global play (assuming I only want to play on EU, NA, KR), I should have the option to log onto NA and create a new character for my EU license, log onto EU and create a new character for my NA license, and log onto KR and create two new characters for both licenses. However what is happening is I log onto NA and am pigeonholed into playing under the character Elairec without any option to play under my EU license. Same thing happens when I log onto the EU server; I am forced to play with my EU license with no option for my NA license. When I log onto the KR server, there is only one opportunity to create a new character when there should be two. It doesn't even matter if I run the game through an EU client or NA client. In the end I (and others) paid for two games and are being held to just one being useful. If I had registered it onto another email, then there wouldn't be an issue as I would have access to two characters on NA, EU, and KR.
In the end, all I want is to be able to transfer over one of my licenses into a seperate account, for which I have NOT received a response for my ticket on. I dont care if I have to buy two HoTS to upgrade both of them - that is the only logical thing for Blizzard to have us do anyways.
"To clarify, you can use both of your licences seperately.
To access the US licence you need a US region game client To access the EU licence, you need an EU region game client.
Both of these can be run seperately at this time."
from blizzard costumer service.
That goes directly against what you're saying. The way I read it, you should be able to access EU from your US client, and have a different character than if you logged into EU with an EU client. That would also be the logical way of doing it.
On February 12 2013 23:39 Thune wrote: Ok i got a response to my created ticket: Unfortunately in german so here is the translated version:
Dear Blizzard Customer,
I am pleased to answer your question. Unfortunately our waiting period is currently unusually high, I personally want to apologize for that.
Unfortunately Global Play wasn't planned back then (I referred to a ticket 1,5yrs back in my ticket) and therefore many players used the opportunity to create two accounts for different regions. A refund isn't possible in this case since both accounts were legitimately useable., da beide Accounts ja entsprechend genutzt werden konnten. We apologize for any inconvenience.
If you have any questions don't hesitate to ask. We are available 24/7/365 for you.
Epical Regards
GM Vemgorath
Blizzard Entertainment
this gotta be a huge joke since this wont stand any ground infront of any court.
Aaand then this goes directly against what was said earlier. I'm starting to wonder if they themselves know..
It doesn't matter what the website says or how you interpret it. The fact remains that no matter if you are logging on with an EU client or an NA client, you are still logging in with the SAME email and all the licenses have been MERGED. The fact I stated that I installed seperate clients and it doesn't react the way you interpret it should just flew right over your head? The purpose of different clients is not to seperate licenses, but to enforce different region language packs. Having a seperate EU client is the same as relocalizing your NA client to run on the EU server.
I'm amazed you have different regional clients for hots yet considering they don't exist. All clients for hots beta are at this moment US only. Thats why it flew over my head.
Yes, it is the same email, but it will still work like it did in WoL. You are not relocalizing the whole client when you choose to play in another region with global play. Thats why you will have different characters based on what region client you used to login with... or at least thats what they say. We can only trust them not lying to us after all. If its like you say after the beta is finished, then I'll join you in the whining chorus.
On February 13 2013 00:17 Elairec wrote: Did I say ANYTHING about HoTS? I stopped reading your response after that ...
Well why the f are you whining about WoL? I have more than one account on WoL right now, and I can easily use them seperately depending on which client you use to login with. Do you even know how the region client works? There is one for each seperate region. One for EU, one for US, one for KR. etc. And you need to use a special relocalizer program OR install seperate sc2 clients on your hdd. it doesn't matter that its the same email adress, you can still access them seperately, same as you will be able to in HoTS.
edit: nvm. You clearly know how it works. Then I honestly don't see your problem. Earlier you said:
"Something like this: I bought NA license, named Elairec. I bought EU license, named it ZergOP. Upon release of the global play (assuming I only want to play on EU, NA, KR), I should have the option to log onto NA and create a new character for my EU license, log onto EU and create a new character for my NA license, and log onto KR and create two new characters for both licenses"
and this is exactly how it will be when global play is put into action. There is no way for you to test this now. You can't: "The fact I stated that I installed seperate clients and it doesn't react the way you interpret it should just flew right over your head?" have tested this in any way since global play is not put into action yet.
On February 13 2013 00:17 Elairec wrote: Did I say ANYTHING about HoTS? I stopped reading your response after that ...
Well why the f are you whining about WoL? I have more than one account on WoL right now, and I can easily use them seperately depending on which client you use to login with. Do you even know how the region client works? There is one for each seperate region. One for EU, one for US, one for KR. etc. And you need to use a special relocalizer program OR install seperate sc2 clients on your hdd. it doesn't matter that its the same email adress, you can still access them seperately, same as you will be able to in HoTS.
edit: nvm. You clearly know how it works. Then I honestly don't see your problem. Earlier you said:
"Something like this: I bought NA license, named Elairec. I bought EU license, named it ZergOP. Upon release of the global play (assuming I only want to play on EU, NA, KR), I should have the option to log onto NA and create a new character for my EU license, log onto EU and create a new character for my NA license, and log onto KR and create two new characters for both licenses"
and this is exactly how it will be when global play is put into action. There is no way for you to test this now.
ok you still dont seem to understand the issue: you = bought 1 copy of sc2 (lets say 40€) = you can play 1xEU 1xNA 1xKR we = bought 2 copies of sc2 (therefore 80€) = we can play 1xEU 1xNA 1xKR see the problem? i dont think i can explain it easier than this. if you still dont get it then im really sorry for you in your further life
On February 13 2013 00:17 Elairec wrote: Did I say ANYTHING about HoTS? I stopped reading your response after that ...
Well why the f are you whining about WoL? I have more than one account on WoL right now, and I can easily use them seperately depending on which client you use to login with. Do you even know how the region client works? There is one for each seperate region. One for EU, one for US, one for KR. etc. And you need to use a special relocalizer program OR install seperate sc2 clients on your hdd. it doesn't matter that its the same email adress, you can still access them seperately, same as you will be able to in HoTS.
edit: nvm. You clearly know how it works. Then I honestly don't see your problem. Earlier you said:
"Something like this: I bought NA license, named Elairec. I bought EU license, named it ZergOP. Upon release of the global play (assuming I only want to play on EU, NA, KR), I should have the option to log onto NA and create a new character for my EU license, log onto EU and create a new character for my NA license, and log onto KR and create two new characters for both licenses"
and this is exactly how it will be when global play is put into action. There is no way for you to test this now.
ok you still dont seem to understand the issue: you = bought 1 copy of sc2 (lets say 40€) = you can play 1xEU 1xNA 1xKR we = bought 2 copies of sc2 (therefore 80€) = we can play 1xEU 1xNA 1xKR see the problem? i dont think i can explain it easier than this. if you still dont get it then im really sorry for you in your further life
Thats now how its going to work, if you're to believe costumer service. You buy 3 copies of sc2 (120€) = we can play 3xEU, 3xNA, 3xKR. This is what I've been trying to say all along. Once global play is put into action, if you log into EU with the US client, you will have a different character than if you log into EU using the EU client, or the KR client. Apparantly you're even suppose to be able to play against yourself using the same account.
So you think the current global play option isn't going to be the final product? Please don't be so naive. I will eat my shirt however if when it is "officially" released, we are given the option to log into different licenses on each server.
On February 13 2013 00:33 Elairec wrote: So you think the current global play option isn't going to be the final product? Please don't be so naive. I will eat my shirt however if when it is "officially" released, we are given the option to log into different licenses on each server.
What current global play option are you talking about? Right now the only option is to install seperate clients. In the final product you'll be able to switch regions after having logged in.
You buy 3 copies of sc2 (120€) = we can play 3xEU, 3xNA, 3xKR.
well there is the problem: You buy 3 copies of sc2 (120€) = we can play 1xEU, 1xNA, 1xKR
thats how it really is - everything else anyone tells you is just a lie.
"To clarify, you can use both of your licences seperately.
To access the US licence you need a US region game client To access the EU licence, you need an EU region game client.
Both of these can be run seperately at this time."
Yeah. sorry for lying. I bet Blizzard is just interested in taking all your money away and running for the hills.
*facepalm*
well you definately didnt try it ... by license they dont mean the different licenses you bought. they meant the different version of the same license. so you still have one overall game license but can use it on each server (aka Global play). so it is still: You buy 3 copies of sc2 (120€) = we can play 1xEU, 1xNA, 1xKR
if you dont believe me why dont your just try it at your own instead of theory craft here?
everything else is just wrong interpretation (maybe lie in this case was wrong but its still the same situation in the end)
On February 13 2013 00:43 Morga wrote: I might be wrong but couldn't the people from Europe just sell their license to someone else ? That's what I got out of this anyway.
no because the license got DELETED. you cant sell it anymore because its not there anymore. Its like it never existed. and thats the problem we all talk about currently (some still dont understand it though). so we payed the double amount for the same product.
On February 12 2013 23:39 Thune wrote: Ok i got a response to my created ticket: Unfortunately in german so here is the translated version:
Dear Blizzard Customer,
I am pleased to answer your question. Unfortunately our waiting period is currently unusually high, I personally want to apologize for that.
Unfortunately Global Play wasn't planned back then (I referred to a ticket 1,5yrs back in my ticket) and therefore many players used the opportunity to create two accounts for different regions. A refund isn't possible in this case since both accounts were legitimately useable. We apologize for any inconvenience.
If you have any questions don't hesitate to ask. We are available 24/7/365 for you.
Epical Regards
GM Vemgorath
Blizzard Entertainment
this gotta be a huge joke since this wont stand any ground infront of any court.
Ok, I am calling BS on that ticket, because it is clear you asked for a refund for an account you used. Anyone who thought they would get refunded for the accounts they bought is just silly. And I encourage you to try to bring a claim in court over this, rather than just claiming it would not “stand in court”. I think you would find the results both educational and enlightening.
You can call for bullshit all you want i never asked the support for a refund. Here my question (also translated from German):
After the Introduction of Global Play, mutliple Starcraft versions got removed from my account allthough i legitimately payed for it. Back then, when i created a ticket for adding a second SC2 version to my account (Ticket#: EU21420530) the response was that there are no plans for Global Play, which changed by now obviously. What will be the next steps regarding this issue? Will there be a second SC2 key (for a different account obviously) or will there maybe be a free HotS as refund?
BR
also you really shouldnt write in this thread since you have absolutely no knowledge what you are talking about
Ok, I stand corrected, you didn't ask for a refund for the copy of SC2. However, in Blizzard's defense, you asked for free HotS as a "refund", which would imply that you would get a free key for HotS. So they were 100% accurate, since they are allowing you to upgrade all acounts with one copy of HotS(from what I have read), but you don't get extra keys. So the answer is, Blizzard is not making you buy several copies of HotS, but they are not "giving" you anything.
You buy 3 copies of sc2 (120€) = we can play 3xEU, 3xNA, 3xKR.
well there is the problem: You buy 3 copies of sc2 (120€) = we can play 1xEU, 1xNA, 1xKR
thats how it really is - everything else anyone tells you is just a lie.
"To clarify, you can use both of your licences seperately.
To access the US licence you need a US region game client To access the EU licence, you need an EU region game client.
Both of these can be run seperately at this time."
Yeah. sorry for lying. I bet Blizzard is just interested in taking all your money away and running for the hills.
*facepalm*
Blizzard CSRs are probably still with an old script that is no longer correct.
The fact is, right now, you can access the EU servers, with a EU region game client, without having ever bought a EU license, all you need is to have bought a US, SEA, KR, or TW license. In addition, I can access the same EU character I had prior to global play with the US client connecting to the EU servers. So, they have incorrect information, which is probably going to be the case until they officially add support for global play.
On February 13 2013 00:57 striderxxx wrote: Give one of your WOL accounts to someone, share the love of SC2 baby!
Except, I only have 1 account, not multiple. So how do I give someone something I don't have? Please, reread the OP before commenting, otherwise you're just going to make yourself sound stupid.
On February 13 2013 00:43 Morga wrote: I might be wrong but couldn't the people from Europe just sell their license to someone else ? That's what I got out of this anyway.
no because the license got DELETED. you cant sell it anymore because its not there anymore. Its like it never existed. and thats the problem we all talk about currently (some still dont understand it though). so we payed the double amount for the same product.
I need proof of that happening. People keep claiming that the licences were "deleted" but I have not seen any evidence of this. Some people have claimed they linked several copies of SC2 to a single Bnet account, which is impossible last I checked(it was a launch). There seems to be a ton of misinformation going on.
On February 12 2013 23:39 Thune wrote: Ok i got a response to my created ticket: Unfortunately in german so here is the translated version:
Dear Blizzard Customer,
I am pleased to answer your question. Unfortunately our waiting period is currently unusually high, I personally want to apologize for that.
Unfortunately Global Play wasn't planned back then (I referred to a ticket 1,5yrs back in my ticket) and therefore many players used the opportunity to create two accounts for different regions. A refund isn't possible in this case since both accounts were legitimately useable. We apologize for any inconvenience.
If you have any questions don't hesitate to ask. We are available 24/7/365 for you.
Epical Regards
GM Vemgorath
Blizzard Entertainment
this gotta be a huge joke since this wont stand any ground infront of any court.
Ok, I am calling BS on that ticket, because it is clear you asked for a refund for an account you used. Anyone who thought they would get refunded for the accounts they bought is just silly. And I encourage you to try to bring a claim in court over this, rather than just claiming it would not “stand in court”. I think you would find the results both educational and enlightening.
You can call for bullshit all you want i never asked the support for a refund. Here my question (also translated from German):
Hello,
After the Introduction of Global Play, mutliple Starcraft versions got removed from my account allthough i legitimately payed for it. Back then, when i created a ticket for adding a second SC2 version to my account (Ticket#: EU21420530) the response was that there are no plans for Global Play, which changed by now obviously. What will be the next steps regarding this issue? Will there be a second SC2 key (for a different account obviously) or will there maybe be a free HotS as refund?
BR
also you really shouldnt write in this thread since you have absolutely no knowledge what you are talking about
Ok, I stand corrected, you didn't ask for a refund for the copy of SC2. However, in Blizzard's defense, you asked for free HotS as a "refund", which would imply that you would get a free key for HotS. So they were 100% accurate, since they are allowing you to upgrade all acounts with one copy of HotS(from what I have read), but you don't get extra keys. So the answer is, Blizzard is not making you buy several copies of HotS, but they are not "giving" you anything.
are you seriously praising blizzard that i dont have to buy two times hots to have one hots account? and you are wrong when you say that they didnt take anything away. until now i had the option to play offrace on my second account while not messing up my mmr on my main account. since they deleted the second copy of sc2 i only have account left (with which i can play on all servers though). so in the end i still payed the double amount of money for the same game as someone has who only bouhgt one copy. and hots doesnt change anything aswell i still have to buy 1x hots to have 1x hots license ... its the same for you. also i never wanted a hots key in return i just added that as an option to not sound like a prick which demands only one thing. that was just beacuse i was friendly.
On February 13 2013 00:43 Morga wrote: I might be wrong but couldn't the people from Europe just sell their license to someone else ? That's what I got out of this anyway.
no because the license got DELETED. you cant sell it anymore because its not there anymore. Its like it never existed. and thats the problem we all talk about currently (some still dont understand it though). so we payed the double amount for the same product.
I need proof of that happening. People keep claiming that the licences were "deleted" but I have not seen any evidence of this. Some people have claimed they linked several copies of SC2 to a single Bnet account, which is impossible last I checked(it was a launch). There seems to be a ton of misinformation going on.
You are completely wrong. It has NEVER been impossible to link multiple SC2 Regional licenses to a single bnet account. I have had a US, Taiwan, and an EU license on my account. It previously showed all 3 licenses, now however it only shows a single license with no region attached.
I would love to show you a screen shot of my two licenses of NA and EU on the same account, but now they are all merged into one stand alone. This is how it is displayed currently:
Before adding global play, it listed WoL NA client and WoL EU client in the list.
On February 13 2013 00:43 Morga wrote: I might be wrong but couldn't the people from Europe just sell their license to someone else ? That's what I got out of this anyway.
no because the license got DELETED. you cant sell it anymore because its not there anymore. Its like it never existed. and thats the problem we all talk about currently (some still dont understand it though). so we payed the double amount for the same product.
I need proof of that happening. People keep claiming that the licences were "deleted" but I have not seen any evidence of this. Some people have claimed they linked several copies of SC2 to a single Bnet account, which is impossible last I checked(it was a launch). There seems to be a ton of misinformation going on.
Dude, are you insane? The only person completely misinformed here is you, who has facts from 'launchdate'. You having no information on this subject is perfectly fine, but if that's the case, why the f are you spamming in this thread?
On February 13 2013 00:43 Morga wrote: I might be wrong but couldn't the people from Europe just sell their license to someone else ? That's what I got out of this anyway.
no because the license got DELETED. you cant sell it anymore because its not there anymore. Its like it never existed. and thats the problem we all talk about currently (some still dont understand it though). so we payed the double amount for the same product.
I need proof of that happening. People keep claiming that the licences were "deleted" but I have not seen any evidence of this. Some people have claimed they linked several copies of SC2 to a single Bnet account, which is impossible last I checked(it was a launch). There seems to be a ton of misinformation going on.
i can make you a screenshot of my account as soon as im home (i will only block my account again if i log in from work where i have a different ip). i dont think i have a screenshot from before global play when there were 2 games listed at the account page but i guess you can always google it how it looked like back then when you had 2 times the same game added.
On February 13 2013 01:02 Elairec wrote: I would love to show you a screen shot of my two licenses of NA and EU on the same account, but now they are all merged into one stand alone. This is how it is displayed currently:
Before adding global play, it listed WoL NA client and WoL EU client in the list.
Can you log into both accounts and do you have two seperate ladder ratings?
We're going back to the beginning of this conversation now? Just re read the thread for a full account of what is happening. Better yet, go back a couple of my posts and I explained exactly what is happening and what should be happening. All of this because we didn't create an additional account to house the extra game license; it's stupid.
On February 12 2013 22:53 Elairec wrote: Excludos I think you are a bit confused about the situation. What you are thinking (or was told, which was wrong) is that if you have an NA and EU license on the same account, then you still have those two seperate licenses as long as you have their respective game client. I have tried this and it still limits me to a total of 3 "characters" on NA, EU, KR. If you log onto EU server from the NA client, it still brings up the account that is tied to your EU license, although you should have a completely different "character" on there from the NA license.
Something like this: I bought NA license, named Elairec. I bought EU license, named it ZergOP. Upon release of the global play (assuming I only want to play on EU, NA, KR), I should have the option to log onto NA and create a new character for my EU license, log onto EU and create a new character for my NA license, and log onto KR and create two new characters for both licenses. However what is happening is I log onto NA and am pigeonholed into playing under the character Elairec without any option to play under my EU license. Same thing happens when I log onto the EU server; I am forced to play with my EU license with no option for my NA license. When I log onto the KR server, there is only one opportunity to create a new character when there should be two. It doesn't even matter if I run the game through an EU client or NA client. In the end I (and others) paid for two games and are being held to just one being useful. If I had registered it onto another email, then there wouldn't be an issue as I would have access to two characters on NA, EU, and KR.
In the end, all I want is to be able to transfer over one of my licenses into a seperate account, for which I have NOT received a response for my ticket on. I dont care if I have to buy two HoTS to upgrade both of them - that is the only logical thing for Blizzard to have us do anyways.
On February 13 2013 01:08 Elairec wrote: We're going back to the beginning of this conversation now? Just re read the thread for a full account of what is happening. Better yet, go back a couple of my posts and I explained exactly what is happening and what should be happening. All of this because we didn't create an additional account to house the extra game license; it's stupid.
On February 12 2013 22:53 Elairec wrote: Excludos I think you are a bit confused about the situation. What you are thinking (or was told, which was wrong) is that if you have an NA and EU license on the same account, then you still have those two seperate licenses as long as you have their respective game client. I have tried this and it still limits me to a total of 3 "characters" on NA, EU, KR. If you log onto EU server from the NA client, it still brings up the account that is tied to your EU license, although you should have a completely different "character" on there from the NA license.
Something like this: I bought NA license, named Elairec. I bought EU license, named it ZergOP. Upon release of the global play (assuming I only want to play on EU, NA, KR), I should have the option to log onto NA and create a new character for my EU license, log onto EU and create a new character for my NA license, and log onto KR and create two new characters for both licenses. However what is happening is I log onto NA and am pigeonholed into playing under the character Elairec without any option to play under my EU license. Same thing happens when I log onto the EU server; I am forced to play with my EU license with no option for my NA license. When I log onto the KR server, there is only one opportunity to create a new character when there should be two. It doesn't even matter if I run the game through an EU client or NA client. In the end I (and others) paid for two games and are being held to just one being useful. If I had registered it onto another email, then there wouldn't be an issue as I would have access to two characters on NA, EU, and KR.
In the end, all I want is to be able to transfer over one of my licenses into a seperate account, for which I have NOT received a response for my ticket on. I dont care if I have to buy two HoTS to upgrade both of them - that is the only logical thing for Blizzard to have us do anyways.
Made it easy for you.
Ok, that does sound like a problem if everything is being done correctly(never discount user error or shitty instructions). But it is likely a back end issue or bug that resulted by them adding global play, rather than a poorly thought out plan to steal your money. If anything, they likely need to "merge" all the copies of SC2 since they won't be region specific any more. When they are updating databases, companies do weird stuff to keep accounts in their system and not lose data. If it is still an issue after HotS launches and they do the final changes to the servers, then people likely have good cause to complain.
On February 13 2013 01:08 Elairec wrote: We're going back to the beginning of this conversation now? Just re read the thread for a full account of what is happening. Better yet, go back a couple of my posts and I explained exactly what is happening and what should be happening. All of this because we didn't create an additional account to house the extra game license; it's stupid.
On February 12 2013 22:53 Elairec wrote: Excludos I think you are a bit confused about the situation. What you are thinking (or was told, which was wrong) is that if you have an NA and EU license on the same account, then you still have those two seperate licenses as long as you have their respective game client. I have tried this and it still limits me to a total of 3 "characters" on NA, EU, KR. If you log onto EU server from the NA client, it still brings up the account that is tied to your EU license, although you should have a completely different "character" on there from the NA license.
Something like this: I bought NA license, named Elairec. I bought EU license, named it ZergOP. Upon release of the global play (assuming I only want to play on EU, NA, KR), I should have the option to log onto NA and create a new character for my EU license, log onto EU and create a new character for my NA license, and log onto KR and create two new characters for both licenses. However what is happening is I log onto NA and am pigeonholed into playing under the character Elairec without any option to play under my EU license. Same thing happens when I log onto the EU server; I am forced to play with my EU license with no option for my NA license. When I log onto the KR server, there is only one opportunity to create a new character when there should be two. It doesn't even matter if I run the game through an EU client or NA client. In the end I (and others) paid for two games and are being held to just one being useful. If I had registered it onto another email, then there wouldn't be an issue as I would have access to two characters on NA, EU, and KR.
In the end, all I want is to be able to transfer over one of my licenses into a seperate account, for which I have NOT received a response for my ticket on. I dont care if I have to buy two HoTS to upgrade both of them - that is the only logical thing for Blizzard to have us do anyways.
Made it easy for you.
Why is that the logical choice? You purchased the right to play on EU. You purchased the right to play on NA. You still have both. Your ACCOUNT now gets access to ALL servers (- China). So what if you already had access to 1/4, 2/4, 3/4 or all 4?
Be happy with global play you now only need one copy of HotS to play on all 4 servers. If you were already planning on buying 2 copies of HotS just spend the extra $30 to buy another WoL key. (Or do it when HotS/WoL battle chest goes on sale.)
Edit: This was probably originally planed by Blizzard to allow people like you to only need one copy of HotS to play on both your EU and NA "clients" - a reward for players with multiple regions. Most likely they later discovered it was simpler to just open global play to all licensed accounts. I understand your frustration that perhaps you would not have purchased the additional account if you knew global play would eventually be unlocked. I however would have still paid what I did (full price) when I did (+ 2 years ago) to have access to multiple servers. *If you just recently purchased your second account you can probably refuse TOS and go through the appropriate channels for a refund - although that might leave you locked from that region.*
Received a reponse. Its an amazing one that basically says we are fucked:
Phillip
I bought the NA version of this game upon release. I then purchased a digital copy for the EU server sometime after, registering it to the same email address for ease of use. After implementation of Global play, my two licenses have been merged. I would love it if I could transfer over my EU license to a new account so as to take full advantage of the two games I purchased.
Currently people that have purchased the game once can utilize every region on the same license, as can I. However, because I purhcased two licenses(two games) I should be able to have two "characters" on each server, but I am not being given that option. The problem is that people who did the same thing I have, but put the extra license onto another email address, now have the ability to play on two different "characters" per region. We both have paid the same amount of money and should have the same access.
Also, attached is a screen shot of my account management section where it lists my SC2 games. Before global play, there was an SC2 NA edition and a SC2 EU edition, but now it's just one. Overall as stated previously I would just like to transfer my EU license to another account.Thanks for your time! dur.png #1 11 minutes ago
Colgentor Customer Service Representative
Hey there Phillip, I reviewed your account and the licenses on it and I'm sorry to have to say that we cannot add another license to a different battle.net account for you. While Global Play as eliminated the need for multiple licenses for multiple regions, I cannot compensate your for game content changes. If you would like to see this change I encourage you to voice your concerns on the StarCraft 2 general forum.
Thanks again for contacting Blizzard Entertainment Account and Technical services. If you have any further issues please reopen a ticket or call the ATS helpline. ATS Agents are available to take your calls 7 days a week from 10am-6pm PST. Our contact info can be found here: <https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/contact>. Have a good day and may your hits be crits and your lewts epic!
-John B. Agent Colgentor Account and Technical Services Blizzard Entertainment blizzard.com/support
On February 13 2013 01:34 Elairec wrote: Received a reponse. Its an amazing one that basically says we are fucked:
Phillip
I bought the NA version of this game upon release. I then purchased a digital copy for the EU server sometime after, registering it to the same email address for ease of use. After implementation of Global play, my two licenses have been merged. I would love it if I could transfer over my EU license to a new account so as to take full advantage of the two games I purchased.
Currently people that have purchased the game once can utilize every region on the same license, as can I. However, because I purhcased two licenses(two games) I should be able to have two "characters" on each server, but I am not being given that option. The problem is that people who did the same thing I have, but put the extra license onto another email address, now have the ability to play on two different "characters" per region. We both have paid the same amount of money and should have the same access.
Also, attached is a screen shot of my account management section where it lists my SC2 games. Before global play, there was an SC2 NA edition and a SC2 EU edition, but now it's just one. Overall as stated previously I would just like to transfer my EU license to another account.Thanks for your time! dur.png #1 11 minutes ago
Colgentor Customer Service Representative
Hey there Phillip, I reviewed your account and the licenses on it and I'm sorry to have to say that we cannot add another license to a different battle.net account for you. While Global Play as eliminated the need for multiple licenses for multiple regions, I cannot compensate your for game content changes. If you would like to see this change I encourage you to voice your concerns on the StarCraft 2 general forum.
Thanks again for contacting Blizzard Entertainment Account and Technical services. If you have any further issues please reopen a ticket or call the ATS helpline. ATS Agents are available to take your calls 7 days a week from 10am-6pm PST. Our contact info can be found here: <https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/contact>. Have a good day and may your hits be crits and your lewts epic!
-John B. Agent Colgentor Account and Technical Services Blizzard Entertainment blizzard.com/support
They are saying they cannot do what you are asking, which is to have the accounts switched to a different battle.net account. That may be true and they have no way to transfered the SC2 information and history to a new Battle.net account. They are not saying everyone is screwed. Lots of account based systems have these limitations.
The question you should be follow up with is: "Should I be able to use both my copies of SC2 for global play and access them from every region? Is there something I can do to correct this or get both my copies to work on all servers?"
On February 13 2013 01:02 Elairec wrote: I would love to show you a screen shot of my two licenses of NA and EU on the same account, but now they are all merged into one stand alone. This is how it is displayed currently:
Before adding global play, it listed WoL NA client and WoL EU client in the list.
Can you log into both accounts and do you have two seperate ladder ratings?
I can't believe this of all issues has gotten me to break my posting hiatus but it was important to me so here I am.
I spoke to a Blizzard customer service representative about this issue, prepared to separate my accounts out if necessary, and was told this very probably wouldn't be necessary and that Blizzard would probably give me a satisfying outcome, although nothing could be confirmed/guaranteed at the moment.
I had two WoL licenses (one NA, one KR) on one b.net account, paid $40 once to upgrade that b.net account to HotS, and now have two beta licenses attached to that account. Each has its own SCII username and profile. Before I bought HotS, this account had no beta access at all.
This is what it looks like when logging into the beta:
I blacked out my b.net account, but as you can see below that field is a dropdown menu that allows me to select which SCII account I want to play on.
Given that this is how it is in beta and the promising prediction by the customer service rep, I suggest to people with multiple SCII licenses on one b.net account to leave them on one account. It seems likely that paying $40 once will upgrade all the accounts and each account will have a separate SCII profile. The alternative is contacting Blizzard customer service and having each WoL license put on a different b.net account, which guarantees that you won't have to buy WoL ever again, but also guarantees that you will have to buy a separate HotS license for each account.
edit: The customer service rep I spoke to was perfectly willing to separate my licenses out onto different b.net accounts. I see someone else has reported that they are not willing to do so. Maybe that is true now and it wasn't before. Or maybe there is some confusion in Blizzard's office and individuals are doing what they want.
On February 13 2013 01:02 Elairec wrote: I would love to show you a screen shot of my two licenses of NA and EU on the same account, but now they are all merged into one stand alone. This is how it is displayed currently:
Before adding global play, it listed WoL NA client and WoL EU client in the list.
Can you log into both accounts and do you have two seperate ladder ratings?
I can't believe this of all issues has gotten me to break my posting hiatus but it was important to me so here I am.
I spoke to a Blizzard customer service representative about this issue, prepared to separate my accounts out if necessary, and was told this very probably wouldn't be necessary and that Blizzard would probably give me a satisfying outcome, although nothing could be confirmed/guaranteed at the moment.
I had two WoL licenses (one NA, one KR) on one b.net account, paid $40 once to upgrade that b.net account to HotS, and now have two beta licenses attached to that account. Each has its own SCII username and profile. Before I bought HotS, this account had no beta access at all.
This is what it looks like when logging into the beta:
I blacked out my b.net account, but as you can see below that field is a dropdown menu that allows me to select which SCII account I want to play on.
Given that this is how it is in beta and the promising prediction by the customer service rep, I suggest to people with multiple SCII licenses on one b.net account to leave them on one account. It seems likely that paying $40 once will upgrade all the accounts and each account will have a separate SCII profile. The alternative is contacting Blizzard customer service and having each WoL license put on a different b.net account, which guarantees that you won't have to buy WoL ever again, but also guarantees that you will have to buy a separate HotS license for each account.
Awsm. That sounds very characteristic of the usual Blizzard Customer Service - pretty excelent.
On February 13 2013 01:02 Elairec wrote: I would love to show you a screen shot of my two licenses of NA and EU on the same account, but now they are all merged into one stand alone. This is how it is displayed currently:
Before adding global play, it listed WoL NA client and WoL EU client in the list.
Can you log into both accounts and do you have two seperate ladder ratings?
I can't believe this of all issues has gotten me to break my posting hiatus but it was important to me so here I am.
I spoke to a Blizzard customer service representative about this issue, prepared to separate my accounts out if necessary, and was told this very probably wouldn't be necessary and that Blizzard would probably give me a satisfying outcome, although nothing could be confirmed/guaranteed at the moment.
I had two WoL licenses (one NA, one KR) on one b.net account, paid $40 once to upgrade that b.net account to HotS, and now have two beta licenses attached to that account. Each has its own SCII username and profile. Before I bought HotS, this account had no beta access at all.
This is what it looks like when logging into the beta:
I blacked out my b.net account, but as you can see below that field is a dropdown menu that allows me to select which SCII account I want to play on.
Given that this is how it is in beta and the promising prediction by the customer service rep, I suggest to people with multiple SCII licenses on one b.net account to leave them on one account. It seems likely that paying $40 once will upgrade all the accounts and each account will have a separate SCII profile. The alternative is contacting Blizzard customer service and having each WoL license put on a different b.net account, which guarantees that you won't have to buy WoL ever again, but also guarantees that you will have to buy a separate HotS license for each account.
edit: The customer service rep I spoke to was perfectly willing to separate my licenses out onto different b.net accounts. I see someone else has reported that they are not willing to do so. Maybe that is true now and it wasn't before. Or maybe there is some confusion in Blizzard's office and individuals are doing what they want.
Nony,
You are a majestic human. Thanks for taking the time. It looks like Blizzard is trying to do right by the folks that bought several copies of their game. It may not work perfectly right now, but from the sound of it, the change is pretty large.
I just want to be clear I haven't proven anything. Nothing is guaranteed. As far as I can tell, those of us with licenses for multiple regions are trying to determine whether we're better off having them all on one account or all on separate accounts. I've presented some evidence favoring having them on one account, strengthening the probability that that is the most favorable setup, but nothing is certain. Personally I have a kind of weird setup, as I have one account with NA and EU licenses, and another account with NA and KR licenses, so my bets are hedged. I've paid for HotS once and if that gets me two profiles upon release, I'll probably be happy with that. If it only gets me one, I'll pay $40 again for my second profile. In either case I won't ever be buying WoL again. GL to everyone else!
n.b. Technically I would have been better off having my NA, EU and KR licenses all on one account, so paying $40 once got me three HotS profiles. And in the worse case scenario, paying $40 twice still would have gotten me two. If you are in a situation with two of one region, and one of each other region, then I suggest having three licenses on one account. Also note that this setup of hedging your bets depends on having two accounts for the same region, so if you don't have that, then don't worry about it.
Hi, I purchased a NA version at release and later a EU version to play with my friends on Eu server. To this day I had : 1 account with 1 licence, 1 character on NA and 1 licence, 1 character on EU. Since I've purchased the same game 2 times for the sole purpose of playing on another server, the US character became useless as no one would spend 60 dollars to play somewhere else, so the NA character became a smurf and it was fine like this.
But when global play went active, the licences merged. Today I have : 1 account with 1 character. Sure, the character can be played anywhere, but I lost my ability to smurf. This ability cost me 60 dollars back then. Not only global play made my 60 dollars purchase useless but it actually took away something from me.
I would like this feature back. Is it possible to make the licences independant ?
A portal opens before you, momentarily blinding you with brilliant lights. When you regain your vision, a lone warrior stands before you. (✿◠‿◠)
Thank you for contacting us, I am sorry for your issue, if you would like to have your games seperated you will have to creat a new battle.net account and move one of the license to the other account, as there is no other way to seperate the accounts.
If you have any questions regarding this issue, please do not hesitate to ask. ,___, [O.o] /)__) -"--"-
Customer Services Blizzard Entertainment battle.net/support
Now imagine this guys : If Nony is right and they are willing to separate licence & account we could buy HotS, assign it to the account with multiple licence, request the split to another account , results --> 2 seperate accounts with WoL and HotS.
I had two WoL licenses (one NA, one KR) on one b.net account, paid $40 once to upgrade that b.net account to HotS, and now have two beta licenses attached to that account. Each has its own SCII username and profile. Before I bought HotS, this account had no beta access at all.
This is what it looks like when logging into the beta: + Show Spoiler +
I blacked out my b.net account, but as you can see below that field is a dropdown menu that allows me to select which SCII account I want to play on.
Given that this is how it is in beta and the promising prediction by the customer service rep, I suggest to people with multiple SCII licenses on one b.net account to leave them on one account. It seems likely that paying $40 once will upgrade all the accounts and each account will have a separate SCII profile. The alternative is contacting Blizzard customer service and having each WoL license put on a different b.net account, which guarantees that you won't have to buy WoL ever again, but also guarantees that you will have to buy a separate HotS license for each account.
edit: The customer service rep I spoke to was perfectly willing to separate my licenses out onto different b.net accounts. I see someone else has reported that they are not willing to do so. Maybe that is true now and it wasn't before. Or maybe there is some confusion in Blizzard's office and individuals are doing what they want.
The customer service rep's response is promising, but I'm not sure that this settles things completely. Don't have much to add as to how things are being handled after the transition to HotS, but to add to the confusion, I only have one WoL license, but somehow also have two beta accounts:
I had two WoL licenses (one NA, one KR) on one b.net account, paid $40 once to upgrade that b.net account to HotS, and now have two beta licenses attached to that account. Each has its own SCII username and profile. Before I bought HotS, this account had no beta access at all.
This is what it looks like when logging into the beta: + Show Spoiler +
I blacked out my b.net account, but as you can see below that field is a dropdown menu that allows me to select which SCII account I want to play on.
Given that this is how it is in beta and the promising prediction by the customer service rep, I suggest to people with multiple SCII licenses on one b.net account to leave them on one account. It seems likely that paying $40 once will upgrade all the accounts and each account will have a separate SCII profile. The alternative is contacting Blizzard customer service and having each WoL license put on a different b.net account, which guarantees that you won't have to buy WoL ever again, but also guarantees that you will have to buy a separate HotS license for each account.
edit: The customer service rep I spoke to was perfectly willing to separate my licenses out onto different b.net accounts. I see someone else has reported that they are not willing to do so. Maybe that is true now and it wasn't before. Or maybe there is some confusion in Blizzard's office and individuals are doing what they want.
The customer service rep's response is promising, but I'm not sure that this settles things completely. Don't have much to add as to how things are being handled after the transition to HotS, but to add to the confusion, I only have one WoL license, but somehow also have two beta accounts:
On February 12 2013 23:39 Thune wrote: Ok i got a response to my created ticket: Unfortunately in german so here is the translated version:
Dear Blizzard Customer,
I am pleased to answer your question. Unfortunately our waiting period is currently unusually high, I personally want to apologize for that.
Unfortunately Global Play wasn't planned back then (I referred to a ticket 1,5yrs back in my ticket) and therefore many players used the opportunity to create two accounts for different regions. A refund isn't possible in this case since both accounts were legitimately useable., da beide Accounts ja entsprechend genutzt werden konnten. We apologize for any inconvenience.
If you have any questions don't hesitate to ask. We are available 24/7/365 for you.
Epical Regards
GM Vemgorath
Blizzard Entertainment
this gotta be a huge joke since this wont stand any ground infront of any court.
Dude, I don't think anyone ever expects a refund, free hots, sex with dustin browder, ect.
The real question is (to which the answer is 99% yes, imo) can they separate the two licenses into two separate accounts. Would be cool if there was any confirmation on it, though.
I gave you the answer to this pages ago, but you're too busy being an angsty, ignorant nerd.
i have 2 copies and i honestly dont give a shit. Look at it this way: you now have 2 accounts (or more) to play on. 1 you can main ladder on and another one you can mess around with or try a different race
On February 12 2013 23:39 Thune wrote: Ok i got a response to my created ticket: Unfortunately in german so here is the translated version:
Dear Blizzard Customer,
I am pleased to answer your question. Unfortunately our waiting period is currently unusually high, I personally want to apologize for that.
Unfortunately Global Play wasn't planned back then (I referred to a ticket 1,5yrs back in my ticket) and therefore many players used the opportunity to create two accounts for different regions. A refund isn't possible in this case since both accounts were legitimately useable., da beide Accounts ja entsprechend genutzt werden konnten. We apologize for any inconvenience.
If you have any questions don't hesitate to ask. We are available 24/7/365 for you.
Epical Regards
GM Vemgorath
Blizzard Entertainment
this gotta be a huge joke since this wont stand any ground infront of any court.
Dude, I don't think anyone ever expects a refund, free hots, sex with dustin browder, ect.
The real question is (to which the answer is 99% yes, imo) can they separate the two licenses into two separate accounts. Would be cool if there was any confirmation on it, though.
I gave you the answer to this pages ago, but you're too busy being an angsty, ignorant nerd.
Ehehe, yes, well, I doubt you could give the answer to tying your shoes in the morning, very much less a topic on which you clearly have no information about, nor do you seem to have anything to do with. Which begs the question, why are you wasting precious internet space to begin with. Then again, I really don't want to know the answer.
For clarification, that issue, as well as the one regarding the future of the 'merged licenses' is pretty much still in the air, with 'official sources' providing conflicting answers or no answers at all.
On February 13 2013 00:43 Morga wrote: I might be wrong but couldn't the people from Europe just sell their license to someone else ? That's what I got out of this anyway.
no because the license got DELETED. you cant sell it anymore because its not there anymore. Its like it never existed. and thats the problem we all talk about currently (some still dont understand it though). so we payed the double amount for the same product.
I need proof of that happening. People keep claiming that the licences were "deleted" but I have not seen any evidence of this. Some people have claimed they linked several copies of SC2 to a single Bnet account, which is impossible last I checked(it was a launch). There seems to be a ton of misinformation going on.
Dude, are you insane? The only person completely misinformed here is you, who has facts from 'launchdate'. You having no information on this subject is perfectly fine, but if that's the case, why the f are you spamming in this thread?
This guy clearly never bought multiple copies and claim to be. I have 3 copies of SC2 in one account and its merged into one now, simple fact, and i am furious about it. I want my multiple copies, i don't mind buying HOTS for each of it. But now i lost those copies. WTF!!!
Blizzard customer support seems totally confused about the matter. While some have got positive answers regarding moving licenses to separate B.net accounts, some customer support personnel just state that licenses are merged and are unwilling to move licenses to separate Battle.net accounts. Here is a fresh denial that I got from EU customer support after asking for moving my second regional license to another personal Battle.net account (have to reopen that ticket): + Show Spoiler +
Hello there,
Thank you for your recent contact regarding your accounts.
While we can understand your frustration with this, you still have access to everything you bought originally, the only difference is that you now only need to use one game license. You can still play amung all regions, but on the one license.
Unfortunately we simply have no compensation for this. I am truly sorry for any distress this has caused you, but please understand that we are trying to make the game better and more enjoyable for everyone overall.
Should you have any other questions or require any additional information, please feel free to contact us again.
Time will tell how things go. At the moment the current technical implementation suggests that the licenses are simply merged and allow only 1 character profile per server. Not as many characters as you have regional licenses.
On February 13 2013 05:20 Baroninthetree wrote: I have 3 copies of SC2 in one account and its merged into one now, simple fact, and i am furious about it. I want my multiple copies, i don't mind buying HOTS for each of it. But now i lost those copies. WTF!!!
What are you furious about? You still have the ability to play on the exact same servers as before (your stats / progress has remained AND you can now just buy 1 copy of HotS). You haven't "LOST" anything - missed out, maybe.
If you really want another account it's $30. Add HotS and you'll have two accounts with 4 server options (8) instead of your original 3 if global play was not added. You're still paying less than you would for 3 copies of HotS.
Time will tell how things go. At the moment the current technical implementation suggests that the licenses are simply merged and allow only 1 character profile per server. Not as many characters as you have regional licenses.
Not really, right now I can still log to EU with 2 different screennames from the same account. I guess it's possible only in EU and KR (where language locked versions are available), but technically it works fine. The limitation is that there is no way to upgrade to hots on both so one of them will become useless on release date.
Update: After going back and forth with support over a span of about 8 emails (which it was a different person each time - kind've stupid imo) they have seperated my licenses into two accounts and I can now play on each server with two characters. Even after what Nony revealed about his accounts I've just decided to seperate them and guarantee that they haven't been lost, rather than have everything maybe disapear when HoTS goes live.
On February 13 2013 05:20 Baroninthetree wrote: I have 3 copies of SC2 in one account and its merged into one now, simple fact, and i am furious about it. I want my multiple copies, i don't mind buying HOTS for each of it. But now i lost those copies. WTF!!!
What are you furious about? You still have the ability to play on the exact same servers as before (your stats / progress has remained AND you can now just buy 1 copy of HotS). You haven't "LOST" anything - missed out, maybe.
If you really want another account it's $30. Add HotS and you'll have two accounts with 4 server options (8) instead of your original 3 if global play was not added. You're still paying less than you would for 3 copies of HotS.
He has in fact lost 2 licenses for the game which is indeed "something" and not "nothing" as you claim. And guess what, not only has he paid those $30 that other account costs, he's paid $30 more than that.
On February 13 2013 06:20 Elairec wrote: Update: After going back and forth with support over a span of about 8 emails (which it was a different person each time - kind've stupid imo) they have seperated my licenses into two accounts and I can now play on each server with two characters. Even after what Nony revealed about his accounts I've just decided to seperate them and guarantee that they haven't been lost, rather than have everything maybe disapear when HoTS goes live.
Cheers yo, sounds similar to the experience I'm having. Seems there's a lot of confusion and a general mess, which is a shame. I'd let my 2 licenses on one account for ease of use, even if it would mean I had to buy one HotS for each of them, but I'd like them to clear this shit up among themselves and come out with a definite stance on this.
On February 13 2013 05:20 Baroninthetree wrote: I have 3 copies of SC2 in one account and its merged into one now, simple fact, and i am furious about it. I want my multiple copies, i don't mind buying HOTS for each of it. But now i lost those copies. WTF!!!
What are you furious about? You still have the ability to play on the exact same servers as before (your stats / progress has remained AND you can now just buy 1 copy of HotS). You haven't "LOST" anything - missed out, maybe.
If you really want another account it's $30. Add HotS and you'll have two accounts with 4 server options (8) instead of your original 3 if global play was not added. You're still paying less than you would for 3 copies of HotS.
Yeah, surprisingly, when people buy 2-3 licenses of WoL anything, they feel entitled to not having them disappear. Idiots.
Time will tell how things go. At the moment the current technical implementation suggests that the licenses are simply merged and allow only 1 character profile per server. Not as many characters as you have regional licenses.
Not really, right now I can still log to EU with 2 different screennames from the same account. I guess it's possible only in EU and KR (where language locked versions are available), but technically it works fine. The limitation is that there is no way to upgrade to hots on both so one of them will become useless on release date.
You are first one to claim that such is possible. You mean that you have 1x EU & 1x KR licenses under your same B.net account (same e-mail) and KR license allowed you to create a new character to EU server and can switch between it and your original EU character? Can you post a screenshot of the character selection feature on your login screen?
For example I currently have 1 x EU regional license and 1 x NA regional license attached to my account. If I use my EU client to access NA server it loads the NA character profile originating from the NA license. Similarly if I use NA client to access EU server it will load EU character profile originating from EU license. --> technically it seems they have 1 character profile per server limit regardless how many regional licenses you have. Also the licenses have been merged in the account management.
And indeed. Time will tell will they allow as many characters per server as you have bought regional licenses like e.g. the customer representative had speculated (not confirmed possibility) for NonY. Thought the current implementation of global play would suggest that only one character per server regardless of the amount of licenses attached...
On February 13 2013 06:29 korona wrote: You are first one to claim that such is possible. You mean that you have 1x EU & 1x KR licenses under your same B.net account (same e-mail) and KR license allowed you to create a new character to EU server and can switch between it and your original EU character? Can you post a screenshot of the character selection feature on your login screen?
No, I have 1 full eu license (standard) and 1 locked localization (cheaper one) which is also eu. The account management merged them but the ingame login form still allows to select SCII-1 or SCII-2.
On February 13 2013 06:29 korona wrote: You are first one to claim that such is possible. You mean that you have 1x EU & 1x KR licenses under your same B.net account (same e-mail) and KR license allowed you to create a new character to EU server and can switch between it and your original EU character? Can you post a screenshot of the character selection feature on your login screen?
No, I have 1 full eu license (standard) and 1 locked localization (cheaper one) which is also eu. The account management merged them but the ingame login form still allows to select SCII-1 or SCII-2.
Hmm. I presume this is due Russian licenses? If I recall correct Russians were originally sold cheaper Russian version that was valid only certain period of time (if not renewed) & could access only Russian server. And to get access to EU server you had to buy (or upgrade) full EU version? And when Russian server was merged into EU server this lead to this 2 EU licenses under one B.net account?
So they have technology to handle multiple character profiles per server, but it is unknown if they use it with global play. During this week Blizzard promised to provide information regarding WoL 2.0.4 patch, which will bring lots of HotS updates to WoL: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/7909521034#1 It might provide more information regarding this case also.
On February 13 2013 06:29 korona wrote: You are first one to claim that such is possible. You mean that you have 1x EU & 1x KR licenses under your same B.net account (same e-mail) and KR license allowed you to create a new character to EU server and can switch between it and your original EU character? Can you post a screenshot of the character selection feature on your login screen?
No, I have 1 full eu license (standard) and 1 locked localization (cheaper one) which is also eu. The account management merged them but the ingame login form still allows to select SCII-1 or SCII-2.
Hmm. I presume this is due Russian licenses? If I recall correct Russians were originally sold cheaper Russian version that was valid only certain period of time (if not renewed) & could access only Russian server. And to get access to EU server you had to buy (or upgrade) full EU version? And when Russian server was merged into EU server this lead to this 2 EU licenses under one B.net account?
So they have technology to handle multiple character profiles per server, but it is unknown if they use it with global play. During this week Blizzard promised to provide information regarding WoL 2.0.4 patch, which will bring lots of HotS updates to WoL: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/7909521034#1 It might provide more information regarding this case also.
yeah just need to have our voice be loud enough and actually get a solid response on that. at least get official clarification.
I know I have 2 hots beta accounts and can freely switch between them on the same account, not sure how that worked, but the technology is there.
On February 13 2013 01:02 Elairec wrote: I would love to show you a screen shot of my two licenses of NA and EU on the same account, but now they are all merged into one stand alone. This is how it is displayed currently:
Before adding global play, it listed WoL NA client and WoL EU client in the list.
Can you log into both accounts and do you have two seperate ladder ratings?
I can't believe this of all issues has gotten me to break my posting hiatus but it was important to me so here I am.
I spoke to a Blizzard customer service representative about this issue, prepared to separate my accounts out if necessary, and was told this very probably wouldn't be necessary and that Blizzard would probably give me a satisfying outcome, although nothing could be confirmed/guaranteed at the moment.
I had two WoL licenses (one NA, one KR) on one b.net account, paid $40 once to upgrade that b.net account to HotS, and now have two beta licenses attached to that account. Each has its own SCII username and profile. Before I bought HotS, this account had no beta access at all.
This is what it looks like when logging into the beta:
I blacked out my b.net account, but as you can see below that field is a dropdown menu that allows me to select which SCII account I want to play on.
Given that this is how it is in beta and the promising prediction by the customer service rep, I suggest to people with multiple SCII licenses on one b.net account to leave them on one account. It seems likely that paying $40 once will upgrade all the accounts and each account will have a separate SCII profile. The alternative is contacting Blizzard customer service and having each WoL license put on a different b.net account, which guarantees that you won't have to buy WoL ever again, but also guarantees that you will have to buy a separate HotS license for each account.
edit: The customer service rep I spoke to was perfectly willing to separate my licenses out onto different b.net accounts. I see someone else has reported that they are not willing to do so. Maybe that is true now and it wasn't before. Or maybe there is some confusion in Blizzard's office and individuals are doing what they want.
The SC-I/SC-II is a result of you playing in the public test region I believe. I only have one region associated with my account, but I have two accounts in HoTS Beta as well both on the same email with the SC-I/SC-II, each with their own league and character name/id. Maybe you get it as a result of having two in a region as well though. It's been this way for me since when I played in the public test region.
I said this back on page 15, but nobody read it, so I'll say it again.
They're making changes to account signins across all three games right now. The latest World of Warcraft PTR broke account signins (bugged due to new changes) and added new client strings related to account switching. Diablo 3's patch 1.0.7 had the same changes made.
StarCraft 2 will get those changes in the form of 2.0.4.
I really wouldn't worry too much about this until it actually happens, guys. I'm 90% sure Blizzard is transitioning ALL games over to a new account login system (accepting logins from the Battle.net Desktop App).
Now got third response (opened the ticket originally few weeks ago) regarding splitting the license (2 regional licenses), if Blizzard only allows 1 character profile per server. Blizzard EU denies splitting. I guess have to wait some time if more info comes. And if the info is 1 character per server & the other license effectively removed (as 1 license gives same rights), then reopen the case. Here is the denial (once again non-answer regarding the situation & what will happen): + Show Spoiler +
Jeoscike Customer Service Representative:
Greetings <CENSORED>,
So I looked into this further for you to see if an exception could be made but i'm afraid this is not possible. You have already benefited from the purchase of your second account for over a year before global play came into effect As such we are sadly unable to offer to split the licenses in this case.
Sorry for having to bring bad news. If you have any further questions or issues please do not hesitate to contact us again.
Regards,
<CENSORED> Blizzard Entertainment Europe.
There is also Blizzard response on US forums regarding the issue to someone. It does not clarify what actually will happen. They once again say "StarCraft II Global Play provides players who previously purchased the game in multiple regions with an excellent advantage that they wouldn't have otherwise had: They only have to purchase one copy of the Heart of the Swarm expansion." But that actually is not an advantage at all if only 1 character per server is allowed, because it is effectively the same thing what would happen if you had only one license. And would require buying more WoL licenses (as only one of the originally purchased would be upgradable & others removed) if you want to get multiple HotS characters per server. Here is the link: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/7909110990#6
(edit: added link to the US forums) (edit 2: censored Jeoscike's real name as he signed with it)
Probably 100% of you don't need a second account anymore anyway. You just don't. So, why both caring about it? Do you really think that you need to smurf or have access to another user ID?
On February 14 2013 04:24 NoobSkills wrote: Probably 100% of you don't need a second account anymore anyway. You just don't. So, why both caring about it? Do you really think that you need to smurf or have access to another user ID?
Probably terrible argument. It doesn't matter what people need and don't need, it's not blizzard's decision to say we don't. But why not, I can say why I might need two.
Currently I have EU and NA WoL, I like to play both servers on ~low gm mmr. My mainrace is however like 500p better than offraces. So if I want to keep the both servers (with different player pools) at decent mmr, there's no way to play my lesser races efficiently. What I would do on hots with 2 accounts is have 1 serious main race character on both servers and two for offraces. Occasional smurfing dragon-style could be done too - dunno if I'd like to fool around in bronze, but again, I'd have the option.
On February 14 2013 04:24 NoobSkills wrote: Probably 100% of you don't need a second account anymore anyway. You just don't. So, why both caring about it? Do you really think that you need to smurf or have access to another user ID?
Why are you still making "do you really need chat channels" comments or are you just trolling? Shame that the moderators are not more active regarding this thread.
In global play a single license allows creating one character per server. If you have several licenses split to several accounts you have as many characters per server as you have licenses. If you have several licenses attached into one account & Blizzard limits the characters per account to 1 per server it is a problem (outcome is still a mystery as Blizzard has not given clear answer what will happen). To get several characters per server it would require you to buy more WoL licenses, even if you have already bought more but Blizzard has effectively invalidated them.
And yes. I was considering to buy second HotS license to get a second character per server for a different race. I am sure lots of other multi-license owners would consider the same. But if I am required to buy third WoL license to be able to buy second HotS license (HotS license requires an upgradable WoL license) I will unlikely do so.
Edit: When reading this thread it seems US support is more willing to split multi-licenses to separate accounts and EU support most of the time seems to deny such requests. It would be helpful if EU players who have managed to split their licenses would mention about it in this thread & include the customer support response where they accept the request.
On February 14 2013 04:24 NoobSkills wrote: Probably 100% of you don't need a second account anymore anyway. You just don't. So, why both caring about it? Do you really think that you need to smurf or have access to another user ID?
Why yes I do think I do. In fact, I paid to do so.
I tried to write a ticket to split my accounts (EU) (On principle I don't like them not addressing the issue at all). On a side note making the system let you write a ticket is not even remotely straight forward had to change my keywords to get away from hacking and then chose the option for game key not working because well you can't just write a ticket (clicking N/A goes to the predefined list of problems)...
Hey there,
Thank you for contacting our support here at Blizzard I'm sorry you've had to wait for a response.
Sadly we are not able to move Starcraft 2 licences to seperate battle.net accounts. If you would like more information on the Global Play feature, please visit the following link:
Also got a negative answer on the splitting. It seems Blizzard.US is actually splitting licenses while EU is not. Which obviously, makes things even more frustrating
At least they're giving refunds if it happened in the last 30 days, if this helps anyone.
The only glimpse I got was someone saying there will be a more official statement/stance on Global Play soon.
Finally, according to 'Game Master Fenhjray', I would like to inform you mooches that you already "got the benefit from the two licenses" (what that benefit was, who judged it and by what measure he left me to puzzle), so we should probably just chill, since we all know we're in Narnia, where shit oftentimes disappears.
I don't think we should get anything in return, to be completely honest. My second copy of the game has been useful to me for the last year and a half and I don't regret it at all. Now that global play is there I'll probably just use my second account to offrace with and not hurt my stats/MMR on my main account.
Global play should've been there from day 1... But let's be honest: SC2 is great anyway
EDIT: I bought my US copy with another email address... I can understand the disappointment of those who bought them with the same email address and only have 1 copy anymore (if I understood that correctly?).
You can't expect Blizzard to add features like this if it's going to lose blizzard money in the long run. Be glad they added global play at all, now you have a ton of extra accounts you can use.
For people that had 2 or more sc2 accounts on the same battle.net account, you can get another copy of sc2. Called blizzard < 1800 - 592 - 5499 > (idk if this is US only number.). Told them i originally had two keys . The guy was a little confused for a second, because I has created a second battle.net account and was trying to re-use my TW/KR key since I'm short a copy of sc2 since global implementation. Obviously that wont work and it felt like he was gonna tell me im sh*t out of luck. But they added a "free" (considering I already purchased it) copy of sc2 to my new (2nd) battle.net account that i created. So now i have 2 WoL again. Took 5 min on the phone with the guy. ezpz
On February 14 2013 04:24 NoobSkills wrote: Probably 100% of you don't need a second account anymore anyway. You just don't. So, why both caring about it? Do you really think that you need to smurf or have access to another user ID?
Why are you still making "do you really need chat channels" comments or are you just trolling? Shame that the moderators are not more active regarding this thread.
In global play a single license allows creating one character per server. If you have several licenses split to several accounts you have as many characters per server as you have licenses. If you have several licenses attached into one account & Blizzard limits the characters per account to 1 per server it is a problem (outcome is still a mystery as Blizzard has not given clear answer what will happen). To get several characters per server it would require you to buy more WoL licenses, even if you have already bought more but Blizzard has effectively invalidated them.
And yes. I was considering to buy second HotS license to get a second character per server for a different race. I am sure lots of other multi-license owners would consider the same. But if I am required to buy third WoL license to be able to buy second HotS license (HotS license requires an upgradable WoL license) I will unlikely do so.
Edit: When reading this thread it seems US support is more willing to split multi-licenses to separate accounts and EU support most of the time seems to deny such requests. It would be helpful if EU players who have managed to split their licenses would mention about it in this thread & include the customer support response where they accept the request.
I made no statement about chat channels. I can see why it would be a bonus to have 2 game accounts. In the end though if you only had access to one, you would live with it and your gameplay experience would not be affected that greatly. Though I do hope you all get your godly smurf account or off race account back.
- it is true that at the moment global play wasn't available, so it helped me play on other server - language: people living in Korea could not access English or other language package (which is so disgracious: to consider that only Koreans live in Korea) - i organize tournament and additional accounts are useful to invite players/admins for multiple reason (maintain secrecy of account, account locked etc).
To still have those 3 licenses separated, still would helped me for the 2 last points. It is three different purchases we made that is now counted only one, with the rule being changed in the middle. To stay simple, 3 games on 3 different server is not equivalent to 1 game with one character on each server.
On February 19 2013 15:43 kskusanagi wrote: I purchased 3 licenses for several reasons:
- it is true that at the moment global play wasn't available, so it helped me play on other server - language: people living in Korea could not access English or other language package (which is so disgracious: to consider that only Koreans live in Korea) - i organize tournament and additional accounts are useful to invite players/admins for multiple reason (maintain secrecy of account, account locked etc).
To still have those 3 licenses separated, still would helped me for the 2 last points. It is three different purchases we made that is now counted only one, with the rule being changed in the middle. To stay simple, 3 games on 3 different server is not equivalent to 1 game with one character on each server.
You HAD 3 characters on 3 different servers. You now HAVE 4 characters on 4 different servers. Still upset.
On February 19 2013 15:43 kskusanagi wrote: I purchased 3 licenses for several reasons:
- it is true that at the moment global play wasn't available, so it helped me play on other server - language: people living in Korea could not access English or other language package (which is so disgracious: to consider that only Koreans live in Korea) - i organize tournament and additional accounts are useful to invite players/admins for multiple reason (maintain secrecy of account, account locked etc).
To still have those 3 licenses separated, still would helped me for the 2 last points. It is three different purchases we made that is now counted only one, with the rule being changed in the middle. To stay simple, 3 games on 3 different server is not equivalent to 1 game with one character on each server.
You HAD 3 characters on 3 different servers. You now HAVE 4 characters on 4 different servers. Still upset.
1. if you're so good at math, you must know how much i paid per character and how much you paid in the case one a single license. If those accounts where separated I would have 3 characters for each of those regions. So the only mistake i made is to have those license on the same account, instead of splitting them (this is a way for blizzard to say that I was dumb).
2. with a single global license now my account is stuck on korea only which means back to no english as well. That's because global play is not equal to full language package.
I asked CSFeedbackEU if I could move my NA account to another bnet and gave feedback (note: I did not ever ask for a refund). Sadly not possible in the EU, responses below but take them with a grain of salt because there's not much value in them.
I personally don't feel global play and those with multiple regional accounts was considered carefully or well at all, especially given US customers are being sorted out with the movement of regional copies to other accounts. Of course there is no final implementation of global play but it seems that EU is basically "nope no can do", which is pretty bad if one region is given that much preferential treatment. Besides as customers we should have the abillity to move game accounts to accounts we own (WoW players as far as I know can move their product across bnet accounts with a bit of data and support's help etc).
I'm sure people will disagree as they have been doing throughout this thread...
CSFeedbackEU:
Greetings,
Thank you for your ticket about Star Craft II regional play.
I can understand that this may be frustrating for you if you compare yourself to other players that have accounts on different Battle.net accounts. However please remember that when you purchased and paid for these accounts there was no Global Accounts and that you have been able to play these accounts since 2011 when you purchased them. Now we are implementing Global Accounts, this doesn’t mean that you now have less than what you paid for at the start.
We will not be issuing refunds for purchases of Star Craft II accounts as no losses have been made. At the moment we also do not plan to separate accounts to different Battle.net accounts as we only move accounts for consolidation into the same Battle.net. However, I do recommend that you keep an eye on the forums on eu.battle.net for any updates regarding Global Play as this could be subject to changes in the future.
Kind Regards
name1
Senior Game Master
Customer Services Blizzard Entertainment
CSFeedbackEU:
Hi there,
name1 has covered the core facts from our point of view.
What would happen with players who had multiple regional licenses was indeed considered carefully while the Global Play system was being devised and developed. I would not anticipate any change in this matter.
Anyone has any updates regarding this? I like you too face somewhat of a similar problem.
I use to have 2 CD keys under the same e-mail for my starcraft account, as I wanted to play on different servers. Now seeing that you only need 1 account to play on any server you wish, is there anyway for me to have 2 playing accounts under that e-mail? I've seen many people before having 2 accounts under the same e-mail, but probably bought for the same server back then. Anyone has any clue about this?
On February 20 2013 01:19 RedSox12 wrote: Anyone has any updates regarding this? I like you too face somewhat of a similar problem.
I use to have 2 CD keys under the same e-mail for my starcraft account, as I wanted to play on different servers. Now seeing that you only need 1 account to play on any server you wish, is there anyway for me to have 2 playing accounts under that e-mail? I've seen many people before having 2 accounts under the same e-mail, but probably bought for the same server back then. Anyone has any clue about this?
You kinda nailed the question that this whole thread is about. The only thing we know for sure is that no one knows, including the guys at costumer service. They will also not separate OR merge your accounts together. We'll just have to wait and see at this point. There are good indications that you will be able to select which account to use at the login screen.
You were never able to buy 2 games to use on the same server and have them on the same account. No one has ever had that.
On February 20 2013 01:19 RedSox12 wrote: Anyone has any updates regarding this? I like you too face somewhat of a similar problem.
I use to have 2 CD keys under the same e-mail for my starcraft account, as I wanted to play on different servers. Now seeing that you only need 1 account to play on any server you wish, is there anyway for me to have 2 playing accounts under that e-mail? I've seen many people before having 2 accounts under the same e-mail, but probably bought for the same server back then. Anyone has any clue about this?
You kinda nailed the question that this whole thread is about. The only thing we know for sure is that no one knows, including the guys at costumer service. They will also not separate OR merge your accounts together. We'll just have to wait and see at this point. There are good indications that you will be able to select which account to use at the login screen.
You were never able to buy 2 games to use on the same server and have them on the same account. No one has ever had that.
I actually bought 1 for Korean and 1 for EU server for the same e-mail. The issue here is have I registered them for a different e-mail address, this would not have been an issue.
The solution has been posted a couple times in this thread: Contact customer support (either via ticket or calling them) and explain the situation. From what I understand is that the EU guys are having issues getting the EU staff to do anything, meanwhile the NA customer service reps are seperating accounts just fine - my two accounts were seperated within 10 minutes of being told it would happen. If you have an EU and NA account tied to the same email, then log onto the NA portal and talk to the customer service reps through there.
On February 20 2013 01:39 Elairec wrote: The solution has been posted a couple times in this thread: Contact customer support (either via ticket or calling them) and explain the situation. From what I understand is that the EU guys are having issues getting the EU staff to do anything, meanwhile the NA customer service reps are seperating accounts just fine - my two accounts were seperated within 10 minutes of being told it would happen. If you have an EU and NA account tied to the same email, then log onto the NA portal and talk to the customer service reps through there.
You sent ticket or livechat ? Wonder if it's possible with NA - SEA account
I sent a ticket. First person told me it wasn't possible, but then I did another ticket basically explaining that I - and others - purchased their game twice and are only getting access to one and in so many words it's basically bullshit they wouldn't allow us to utilize the extra game we PAID for. At that point they agreed to transferring one of my licenses to a new account.
On February 20 2013 01:53 Elairec wrote: I sent a ticket. First person told me it wasn't possible, but then I did another ticket basically explaining that I - and others - purchased their game twice and are only getting access to one and in so many words it's basically bullshit they wouldn't allow us to utilize the extra game we PAID for. At that point they agreed to transferring one of my licenses to a new account.
ive tried 3 times now and was told no, apparently its who you get =/
On February 20 2013 01:19 RedSox12 wrote: Anyone has any updates regarding this? I like you too face somewhat of a similar problem.
I use to have 2 CD keys under the same e-mail for my starcraft account, as I wanted to play on different servers. Now seeing that you only need 1 account to play on any server you wish, is there anyway for me to have 2 playing accounts under that e-mail? I've seen many people before having 2 accounts under the same e-mail, but probably bought for the same server back then. Anyone has any clue about this?
You kinda nailed the question that this whole thread is about. The only thing we know for sure is that no one knows, including the guys at costumer service. They will also not separate OR merge your accounts together. We'll just have to wait and see at this point. There are good indications that you will be able to select which account to use at the login screen.
You were never able to buy 2 games to use on the same server and have them on the same account. No one has ever had that.
I actually bought 1 for Korean and 1 for EU server for the same e-mail. The issue here is have I registered them for a different e-mail address, this would not have been an issue.
So have I. Thats why I spesifically said "on the same server". You can not have 2 EU games on one account, but you can have one for EU and one for KR..or could anyways, before this global play thing.
On February 20 2013 01:53 Elairec wrote: I sent a ticket. First person told me it wasn't possible, but then I did another ticket basically explaining that I - and others - purchased their game twice and are only getting access to one and in so many words it's basically bullshit they wouldn't allow us to utilize the extra game we PAID for. At that point they agreed to transferring one of my licenses to a new account.
ive tried 3 times now and was told no, apparently its who you get =/
This is the nature of customer support, that no everyone knows everything. The person you are dealing with may not know how to transfer the game to a new account, but rather than look dumb or ask questions, they default to "it is not possible". I would repsond by saying that they are incorrect, cite this thread and provide copies of the message with the name of the person at Blizzard that said it was possible. If you still disagree, I would inform them you are not accepting that, you know they are incorrect and request to be put in touch with their manager. Once they know that you are not going to go away and its possible for them to get in trouble, they will take the time to ask question.
After working for banks for 5 years and dealing with Verizon for way to long, I learned the person who picks up the phone is rarely the person who can fix your problem. They are also more intrested in making you go away than fixing your probem. Just know that you are right, they are wrong and be a polite-pain-in-the-ass until you get what you need.
On February 20 2013 01:53 Elairec wrote: I sent a ticket. First person told me it wasn't possible, but then I did another ticket basically explaining that I - and others - purchased their game twice and are only getting access to one and in so many words it's basically bullshit they wouldn't allow us to utilize the extra game we PAID for. At that point they agreed to transferring one of my licenses to a new account.
ive tried 3 times now and was told no, apparently its who you get =/
This is the nature of customer support, that no everyone knows everything. The person you are dealing with may not know how to transfer the game to a new account, but rather than look dumb or ask questions, they default to "it is not possible". I would repsond by saying that they are incorrect, cite this thread and provide copies of the message with the name of the person at Blizzard that said it was possible. If you still disagree, I would inform them you are not accepting that, you know they are incorrect and request to be put in touch with their manager. Once they know that you are not going to go away and its possible for them to get in trouble, they will take the time to ask question.
After working for banks for 5 years and dealing with Verizon for way to long, I learned the person who picks up the phone is rarely the person who can fix your problem. They are also more intrested in making you go away than fixing your probem. Just know that you are right, they are wrong and be a polite-pain-in-the-ass until you get what you need.
Thanks for the 'moral support' ^^ As it seems right now, splitting works for NA, but over in EU, no matter how many Customer S. reps you get/ask, they all seem to to refuse the split.
On February 20 2013 01:53 Elairec wrote: I sent a ticket. First person told me it wasn't possible, but then I did another ticket basically explaining that I - and others - purchased their game twice and are only getting access to one and in so many words it's basically bullshit they wouldn't allow us to utilize the extra game we PAID for. At that point they agreed to transferring one of my licenses to a new account.
ive tried 3 times now and was told no, apparently its who you get =/
This is the nature of customer support, that no everyone knows everything. The person you are dealing with may not know how to transfer the game to a new account, but rather than look dumb or ask questions, they default to "it is not possible". I would repsond by saying that they are incorrect, cite this thread and provide copies of the message with the name of the person at Blizzard that said it was possible. If you still disagree, I would inform them you are not accepting that, you know they are incorrect and request to be put in touch with their manager. Once they know that you are not going to go away and its possible for them to get in trouble, they will take the time to ask question.
After working for banks for 5 years and dealing with Verizon for way to long, I learned the person who picks up the phone is rarely the person who can fix your problem. They are also more intrested in making you go away than fixing your probem. Just know that you are right, they are wrong and be a polite-pain-in-the-ass until you get what you need.
Thanks for the 'moral support' ^^ As it seems right now, splitting works for NA, but over in EU, no matter how many Customer S. reps you get/ask, they all seem to to refuse the split.
Kinda weird.
That is likely a regional problem, since most large companies use separate customer service offices for different areas(EU/NA). Likely the person who manages/trains the EU office is not aware that account transfers are an option or has never done it. But the key is not to talk with different on the same level, but to talk to someone higher up who likely has more experience. The next time you get the “I’m sorry, but we can’t do that” email, reply with a response that other people are having their accounts split and demand(politely) the issue be escalated to someone above them. Use the word escalated, which is a really nice way to say “let me speak to your manager”. If you have a friend who had it done and they are willing to provide you with the email confirming their account was split, that would help your cause as well.
Just don’t be rude, that is the best way to get your request ignored. The people who are providing you with bad information are just doing as they were trained to do.
On February 20 2013 01:39 Elairec wrote: The solution has been posted a couple times in this thread: Contact customer support (either via ticket or calling them) and explain the situation. From what I understand is that the EU guys are having issues getting the EU staff to do anything, meanwhile the NA customer service reps are seperating accounts just fine - my two accounts were seperated within 10 minutes of being told it would happen. If you have an EU and NA account tied to the same email, then log onto the NA portal and talk to the customer service reps through there.
Yeah NA staff don't do stuff if your bnet is in EU =)...
On February 20 2013 01:53 Elairec wrote: I sent a ticket. First person told me it wasn't possible, but then I did another ticket basically explaining that I - and others - purchased their game twice and are only getting access to one and in so many words it's basically bullshit they wouldn't allow us to utilize the extra game we PAID for. At that point they agreed to transferring one of my licenses to a new account.
ive tried 3 times now and was told no, apparently its who you get =/
This is the nature of customer support, that no everyone knows everything. The person you are dealing with may not know how to transfer the game to a new account, but rather than look dumb or ask questions, they default to "it is not possible". I would repsond by saying that they are incorrect, cite this thread and provide copies of the message with the name of the person at Blizzard that said it was possible. If you still disagree, I would inform them you are not accepting that, you know they are incorrect and request to be put in touch with their manager. Once they know that you are not going to go away and its possible for them to get in trouble, they will take the time to ask question.
After working for banks for 5 years and dealing with Verizon for way to long, I learned the person who picks up the phone is rarely the person who can fix your problem. They are also more intrested in making you go away than fixing your probem. Just know that you are right, they are wrong and be a polite-pain-in-the-ass until you get what you need.
Thanks for the 'moral support' ^^ As it seems right now, splitting works for NA, but over in EU, no matter how many Customer S. reps you get/ask, they all seem to to refuse the split.
Kinda weird.
That is likely a regional problem, since most large companies use separate customer service offices for different areas(EU/NA). Likely the person who manages/trains the EU office is not aware that account transfers are an option or has never done it. But the key is not to talk with different on the same level, but to talk to someone higher up who likely has more experience. The next time you get the “I’m sorry, but we can’t do that” email, reply with a response that other people are having their accounts split and demand(politely) the issue be escalated to someone above them. Use the word escalated, which is a really nice way to say “let me speak to your manager”. If you have a friend who had it done and they are willing to provide you with the email confirming their account was split, that would help your cause as well.
Just don’t be rude, that is the best way to get your request ignored. The people who are providing you with bad information are just doing as they were trained to do.
I put in my request that it was being done on NA with no issues, so hopefully whoever the EU support person is who gets my ticket will split my keys.
On February 21 2013 04:46 achristes wrote: Blizz shouldn't do anything. You had global play in D3, and should have expected it to come sooner or later in WoL as well.
Still dont get you people, D3 wasnt out when i bought both my accounts, now For hots i would like 2 NA accounts. Now the issue i have is that I have 2 WoL accounts. One EU and one NA.... With blizzards scheme of removing my EU account and just making it 1 global play, i end up with 1 wol account, so when i buy hots i have 1 account on NA. When hots was announced with global play, I just assumed I would have to buy 1 NA and 1 EU HOTS and would be done. But with blizzards system I have to REBUY another WoL account in addition to the extra hots. When in reality since i have 2 licenses of WoL i shouldnt have to buy another copy of WoL with those 2 copies of HOTS. 2 gain to accounts.
@Lonyo & others: Remember to mention here if you did get favorable answers from the support regarding your requests. Should soon open my ticket once again after waiting one week to see if 2.0.4 patch would have given more info about the situation (it did not)...
Wonder how they choose forum MVP:s there... Two of such try to claim that the issue is nonsense and people should stop posting... Should lose their MVP status for such posts, but of course it unlikely happens as they are on Blizzard's side...
On February 22 2013 09:01 korona wrote: @Lonyo & others: Remember to mention here if you did get favorable answers from the support regarding your requests. Should soon open my ticket once again after waiting one week to see if 2.0.4 patch would have given more info about the situation (it did not)...
Wonder how they choose forum MVP:s there... Two of such try to claim that the issue is nonsense and people should stop posting... Should lose their MVP status for such posts, but of course it unlikely happens as they are on Blizzard's side...
Hey thanks for linking my post in TL! I was absolutely astonished, how rude the first MVP that posted was. I am trying to get a blizzard response to my post so please post your thoughts in that thread as well.
I've successfuly had them split my accounts. If it helps I will PM you the conversation I had with all the reps I talked with and you can present it to them from there.
On February 22 2013 09:29 Elairec wrote: I've successfuly had them split my accounts. If it helps I will PM you the conversation I had with all the reps I talked with and you can present it to them from there.
Yes please do so. I have called twice and tried online chat and to no avail.
Despite not liking arrogance in original post, I find some of this really interesting.
So after reading some posts, I find it pretty obvious that they can not terminate one account without explanation (they can OFC still terminate it without any reason, but they still have to announce ban).
Im looking forward to this, Blizzard usually do everything pretty clear in legal department, but this seems like pretty big failure. They will have to do something about this.
On February 22 2013 10:20 Sek-Kuar wrote: Despite not liking arrogance in original post, I find some of this really interesting.
So after reading some posts, I find it pretty obvious that they can not terminate one account without explanation (they can OFC still terminate it without any reason, but they still have to announce ban).
Im looking forward to this, Blizzard usually do everything pretty clear in legal department, but this seems like pretty big failure. They will have to do something about this.
They did do something.
They removed all of my accounts registered to my e-mail, leaving me with one.
On February 22 2013 10:20 Sek-Kuar wrote: Despite not liking arrogance in original post, I find some of this really interesting.
So after reading some posts, I find it pretty obvious that they can not terminate one account without explanation (they can OFC still terminate it without any reason, but they still have to announce ban).
Im looking forward to this, Blizzard usually do everything pretty clear in legal department, but this seems like pretty big failure. They will have to do something about this.
They did do something.
They removed all of my accounts registered to my e-mail, leaving me with one.
i have 2 acc in one mail so i hoping that the menu that is displayed when im logging in stays:
starcraft 2 I starcraft 2 II
the sane that Nony said, and i would just have to buy on HoTS copy for bothm that would be the most logical answer i can think or choose one of those to be upgraded and the other keep it in WoL.
On February 22 2013 10:20 Sek-Kuar wrote: Despite not liking arrogance in original post, I find some of this really interesting.
So after reading some posts, I find it pretty obvious that they can not terminate one account without explanation (they can OFC still terminate it without any reason, but they still have to announce ban).
Im looking forward to this, Blizzard usually do everything pretty clear in legal department, but this seems like pretty big failure. They will have to do something about this.
They did do something.
They removed all of my accounts registered to my e-mail, leaving me with one.
i have 2 acc in one mail so i hoping that the menu that is displayed when im logging in stays:
starcraft 2 I starcraft 2 II
the sane that Nony said, and i would just have to buy on HoTS copy for bothm that would be the most logical answer i can think or choose one of those to be upgraded and the other keep it in WoL.
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Fairly certain thats the way they're planning on doing it. At least I think its stupid to rush to split your accounts before the game is even out. If the problem still exists after, then I'd agree you could start yelling about it. But at this rate, everyone who is whining to costumer service to split their accounts is going to end up being the first to whine about having them merged again afterwards.
On February 22 2013 10:20 Sek-Kuar wrote: Despite not liking arrogance in original post, I find some of this really interesting.
So after reading some posts, I find it pretty obvious that they can not terminate one account without explanation (they can OFC still terminate it without any reason, but they still have to announce ban).
Im looking forward to this, Blizzard usually do everything pretty clear in legal department, but this seems like pretty big failure. They will have to do something about this.
They did do something.
They removed all of my accounts registered to my e-mail, leaving me with one.
For which they obviously have no legal right.
They can ban your secondary account, they can come up with something to terminate you acces to battle.net for secondary account, or something like that - but they simply cannot merge it.
They have right to terminate all your accounts at once for no reason, but they dont have right to merge 2 things you paid for into 1. Thats fraud.
Well, I just did live chat on Battle.net, and got them to add a new Starcraft 2 copy to another account.
Basically, you need proof of purchase of 2 actual copies (digitally or physically), using CD-Key, prepaid card, credit card #s, transaction #s and whatnot. Also provided screenshot proof of the battle.net purchase confirmation email. Though, if you don't have proof of both of them, I don't think you can get them to split the accounts.
On February 22 2013 09:01 korona wrote: @Lonyo & others: Remember to mention here if you did get favorable answers from the support regarding your requests. Should soon open my ticket once again after waiting one week to see if 2.0.4 patch would have given more info about the situation (it did not)...
Wonder how they choose forum MVP:s there... Two of such try to claim that the issue is nonsense and people should stop posting... Should lose their MVP status for such posts, but of course it unlikely happens as they are on Blizzard's side...
On February 22 2013 09:27 Pizzaboy17 wrote: Hey thanks for linking my post in TL! I was absolutely astonished, how rude the first MVP that posted was. I am trying to get a blizzard response to my post so please post your thoughts in that thread as well.
Interesting. Blizzard just locked that thread without writing anything in the end. Interesting to see if they still respond to it.
On February 22 2013 09:01 korona wrote: @Lonyo & others: Remember to mention here if you did get favorable answers from the support regarding your requests. Should soon open my ticket once again after waiting one week to see if 2.0.4 patch would have given more info about the situation (it did not)...
Wonder how they choose forum MVP:s there... Two of such try to claim that the issue is nonsense and people should stop posting... Should lose their MVP status for such posts, but of course it unlikely happens as they are on Blizzard's side...
On February 22 2013 09:27 Pizzaboy17 wrote: Hey thanks for linking my post in TL! I was absolutely astonished, how rude the first MVP that posted was. I am trying to get a blizzard response to my post so please post your thoughts in that thread as well.
Interesting. Blizzard just locked that thread without writing anything in the end. Interesting to see if they still respond to it.
It's against forum rules to post "Dear Blizzard..." or any direct "open letter" and petitions to Blizzard and staff. The ticket system is there for a reason.
On February 22 2013 11:28 Pizzaboy17 wrote: Hmm, if they don't respond and just leave it locked I'll make a new one!
Just be patient & wait some time so you don't risk a forum ban. I would say the content of the second post makes that thread powerful. If they are going to respond to it, they likely need some preparation time.
On February 22 2013 09:01 korona wrote: @Lonyo & others: Remember to mention here if you did get favorable answers from the support regarding your requests. Should soon open my ticket once again after waiting one week to see if 2.0.4 patch would have given more info about the situation (it did not)...
Wonder how they choose forum MVP:s there... Two of such try to claim that the issue is nonsense and people should stop posting... Should lose their MVP status for such posts, but of course it unlikely happens as they are on Blizzard's side...
On February 22 2013 09:27 Pizzaboy17 wrote: Hey thanks for linking my post in TL! I was absolutely astonished, how rude the first MVP that posted was. I am trying to get a blizzard response to my post so please post your thoughts in that thread as well.
Interesting. Blizzard just locked that thread without writing anything in the end. Interesting to see if they still respond to it.
It's against forum rules to post "Dear Blizzard..." or any direct "open letter" and petitions to Blizzard and staff. The ticket system is there for a reason.
Blizzard support has suggested to discuss the matter on their public forums to many, when they have denied splitting the licenses.
Wow no shit, my TW license got removed from my B.net account, I now have just a single SC2 account registered. I'm sorry but I don't find this honest in the slightest. I find it weird that just by having registered my TW license on another Bnet account, I would still have what I paid for (2 accounts with global play, instead of what I have now, only 1). Which would have actually been against their "RealID" policy of one B.net account per IRL identity. So in a sense, I got stripped from one game key for actually binding my own name to my SC2 accounts. Smooth move Blizzard, smooth indeed.
Edit: On another note, what the hell is the deal with those "MVP" posters on Blizzard's forums? Who the fuck are they? They sound really assholish. And I understand all the comments (from guys who only bought one license, obviously...) about us just buying multiple region access for the length of time where it was unavailable. Yet that's not at all what we bought. I bought a full WoL game, dammit. What bothers me is that if I had just made another Bnet account (which is free, and very fast), I would still have 2 SC2 games. What the hell is Blizzard supposed to answer to that argument? "Serves you right, retard."?
Edit2: I submitted a "ticket" to the support service. Will let you know how it went. I'll put here my message if it worked :D Maybe if it fails as well, though that would be a shame
On February 22 2013 11:28 Pizzaboy17 wrote: Hmm, if they don't respond and just leave it locked I'll make a new one!
Just be patient & wait some time so you don't risk a forum ban. I would say the content of the second post makes that thread powerful. If they are going to respond to it, they likely need some preparation time.
On February 22 2013 09:01 korona wrote: @Lonyo & others: Remember to mention here if you did get favorable answers from the support regarding your requests. Should soon open my ticket once again after waiting one week to see if 2.0.4 patch would have given more info about the situation (it did not)...
Wonder how they choose forum MVP:s there... Two of such try to claim that the issue is nonsense and people should stop posting... Should lose their MVP status for such posts, but of course it unlikely happens as they are on Blizzard's side...
On February 22 2013 09:27 Pizzaboy17 wrote: Hey thanks for linking my post in TL! I was absolutely astonished, how rude the first MVP that posted was. I am trying to get a blizzard response to my post so please post your thoughts in that thread as well.
Interesting. Blizzard just locked that thread without writing anything in the end. Interesting to see if they still respond to it.
It's against forum rules to post "Dear Blizzard..." or any direct "open letter" and petitions to Blizzard and staff. The ticket system is there for a reason.
Blizzard support has suggested to discuss the matter on their public forums to many, when they have denied splitting the licenses.
Discuss the matter on their forums doesn't mean making a huge thread titled "Dear SC2 Devs, etcetc". It's clearly an open letter to Blizzard, not a discussion thread.
On February 22 2013 11:42 ZenithM wrote: Wow no shit, my TW license got removed from my B.net account, I now have just a single SC2 account registered. I'm sorry but I don't find this honest in the slightest. I find it weird that just by having registered my TW license on another Bnet account, I would still have what I paid for (2 accounts with global play, instead of what I have now, only 1). Which would have actually been against their "RealID" policy of one B.net account per IRL identity. So in a sense, I got stripped from one game key for actually binding my own name to my SC2 accounts. Smooth move Blizzard, smooth indeed.
Edit: On another note, what the hell is the deal with those "MVP" posters on Blizzard's forums? Who the fuck are they? They sound really assholish. And I understand all the comments (from guys who only bought one license, obviously...) about us just buying multiple region access for the length of time where it was unavailable. Yet that's not at all what we bought. I bought a full WoL game, dammit. What bothers me is that if I had just made another Bnet account (which is free, and very fast), I would still have 2 SC2 games. What the hell is Blizzard supposed to answer to that argument? "Serves you right, retard."?
Edit2: I submitted a "ticket" to the support service. Will let you know how it went. I'll put here my message if it worked :D Maybe if it fails as well, though that would be a shame
I owned 3 licenses on my account, now I only have one but I don't see it as a problem at all because I still have access to all the servers that I paid for. Why does this matter so much to people? I bought the extra licenses to gain access to other servers, and that's just what I got back then, and that's just what I still have.
Situation before: I can log on to every server I paid for a license on with my e-mail address, I have one account on each server.
Situation now: I can log on to every server I paid for a license on - and also every other server in the world - with my e-mail address. I have one account on each server.
On February 22 2013 22:31 AmericanUmlaut wrote: Situation before: I can log on to every server I paid for a license on with my e-mail address, I have one account on each server.
Situation now: I can log on to every server I paid for a license on - and also every other server in the world - with my e-mail address. I have one account on each server.
An outrage!
2 cd-keys = 2 global play accounts, it is very simple.
You have the option of being ok with things being taken from you, or products that you paid for simply disappearing. These are your choices, and no one is judging you.
Please return the favor and don't judge us for the 'outrageous' demand of feeling 'entitled' to something we paid for
On February 22 2013 22:31 AmericanUmlaut wrote: Situation before: I can log on to every server I paid for a license on with my e-mail address, I have one account on each server.
Situation now: I can log on to every server I paid for a license on - and also every other server in the world - with my e-mail address. I have one account on each server.
An outrage!
2 cd-keys = 2 global play accounts, it is very simple.
You have the option of being ok with things being taken from you, or products that you paid for simply disappearing. These are your choices, and no one is judging you.
Please return the favor and don't judge us for the 'outrageous' demand of feeling 'entitled' to something we paid for
In place of what they "took" they gave you something of equal or greater value, Global Play. What's the problem?
On February 22 2013 22:31 AmericanUmlaut wrote: Situation before: I can log on to every server I paid for a license on with my e-mail address, I have one account on each server.
Situation now: I can log on to every server I paid for a license on - and also every other server in the world - with my e-mail address. I have one account on each server.
An outrage!
2 cd-keys = 2 global play accounts, it is very simple.
You have the option of being ok with things being taken from you, or products that you paid for simply disappearing. These are your choices, and no one is judging you.
Please return the favor and don't judge us for the 'outrageous' demand of feeling 'entitled' to something we paid for
In place of what they "took" they gave you something of equal or greater value, Global Play. What's the problem?
So it's okay for some people to pay for it, while others get it for free?
It wasn't an exchange. We didn't give them our other accounts for global play. They gave global play to everyone, and removed any alternate accounts for no apparent reason.
On February 22 2013 22:31 AmericanUmlaut wrote: Situation before: I can log on to every server I paid for a license on with my e-mail address, I have one account on each server.
Situation now: I can log on to every server I paid for a license on - and also every other server in the world - with my e-mail address. I have one account on each server.
An outrage!
2 cd-keys = 2 global play accounts, it is very simple.
You have the option of being ok with things being taken from you, or products that you paid for simply disappearing. These are your choices, and no one is judging you.
Please return the favor and don't judge us for the 'outrageous' demand of feeling 'entitled' to something we paid for
In place of what they "took" they gave you something of equal or greater value, Global Play. What's the problem?
So it's okay for some people to pay for it, while others get it for free?
It was an exchange. We didn't give them our other accounts for global play. They gave global play to everyone, and removed any alternate accounts for no apparent reason.
Of course it's OK, we all paid for the extra licenses knowing what it would buy us and got exactly what we paid for. And with Global Play nothing has really changed for us, except for the fact that now we can logon to even more servers than before, which is great!
If anything we should be happy for those who now get it for free, not act like children about it.
On February 22 2013 22:31 AmericanUmlaut wrote: Situation before: I can log on to every server I paid for a license on with my e-mail address, I have one account on each server.
Situation now: I can log on to every server I paid for a license on - and also every other server in the world - with my e-mail address. I have one account on each server.
An outrage!
2 cd-keys = 2 global play accounts, it is very simple.
You have the option of being ok with things being taken from you, or products that you paid for simply disappearing. These are your choices, and no one is judging you.
Please return the favor and don't judge us for the 'outrageous' demand of feeling 'entitled' to something we paid for
In place of what they "took" they gave you something of equal or greater value, Global Play. What's the problem?
So it's okay for some people to pay for it, while others get it for free?
It was an exchange. We didn't give them our other accounts for global play. They gave global play to everyone, and removed any alternate accounts for no apparent reason.
Of course it's OK, we all paid for the extra licenses knowing what it would buy us and got exactly what we paid for. And with Global Play nothing has really changed for us, except for the fact that now we can logon to even more servers than before, which is great!
If anything we should be happy for those who now get it for free, not act like children about it.
do you understand this has nothing to do with global play, but with some cd-keys working properly (multiple accounts), while others are disappearing?
every other page this needs to be explained like to a 5y.o., so it's natural that we act like children
LE: Also, let's not act like we're stealing from charity here. We wouldn't even have this discussion if the illustrious minds of Blizzard Inc. would have discovered the fantastic technology of Global Play back in 2009/10.
We do have the discussion because they were greedy and forced basically every team + any one who had friends / wanted to play on another server to buy extra licenses. A lot of people took the bait, gave in and paid Blizzard for this marvelous service.
Is it so insane to ask that those people don't get screwed over now and get to actually hold on to the cd-keys that they paid for? Is it such a tragedy for Blizzard? I don't understand.
Don't those living in the EU have the right to re-sell licenses (even if tos/eula say otherwise)? If yes then I should be able to let Blizzard move 1 of my 2 licenses to another account (what seems to be possible in US but not EU).
The strange thing is that Blizzard decided to grant global play to accounts, not to licenses.
On February 22 2013 11:42 ZenithM wrote: Wow no shit, my TW license got removed from my B.net account, I now have just a single SC2 account registered. I'm sorry but I don't find this honest in the slightest. I find it weird that just by having registered my TW license on another Bnet account, I would still have what I paid for (2 accounts with global play, instead of what I have now, only 1). Which would have actually been against their "RealID" policy of one B.net account per IRL identity. So in a sense, I got stripped from one game key for actually binding my own name to my SC2 accounts. Smooth move Blizzard, smooth indeed.
Edit: On another note, what the hell is the deal with those "MVP" posters on Blizzard's forums? Who the fuck are they? They sound really assholish. And I understand all the comments (from guys who only bought one license, obviously...) about us just buying multiple region access for the length of time where it was unavailable. Yet that's not at all what we bought. I bought a full WoL game, dammit. What bothers me is that if I had just made another Bnet account (which is free, and very fast), I would still have 2 SC2 games. What the hell is Blizzard supposed to answer to that argument? "Serves you right, retard."?
Edit2: I submitted a "ticket" to the support service. Will let you know how it went. I'll put here my message if it worked :D Maybe if it fails as well, though that would be a shame
I owned 3 licenses on my account, now I only have one but I don't see it as a problem at all because I still have access to all the servers that I paid for. Why does this matter so much to people? I bought the extra licenses to gain access to other servers, and that's just what I got back then, and that's just what I still have.
Wouldn't you prefer having 3 full WoL game accounts with global play? That's what you would have if you had registered your 2 other licenses in separate B.net account. You don't see the difference? You don't see the point? Well, if I had 2 other accounts, I could, you know, maybe play with 2 of my friends who didn't buy the game, or have one account and ladder ranking per race. I don't think you really bought 3 SC2 versions if you don't get that.
Edit: Oh man, people really don't understand what I'm saying do they. I'm not arguing that I've been robbed of something. Because that's wrong. If I previously had one EU and one TW licenses, I can still play on those 2, and even play on NA. Cool, right? NO, because, if I had clicked a dozen times and taken the 5 minutes necessary to create another Bnet account and registered my TW license there (which would have changed NOTHING at all for me in WoL previous setup), I would now have 2 full game accounts with global play, i.e. strictly better (and by a huge margin) than what I have right now. How could I foresee that Blizzard would make global play available, and merge game licenses on the same Bnet account?
You don't deserve a free copy. You made the decision to buy 2 copies and you should live by that decision. Blizzard isn't entitled to give you anything.
On February 22 2013 11:42 ZenithM wrote: Wow no shit, my TW license got removed from my B.net account, I now have just a single SC2 account registered. I'm sorry but I don't find this honest in the slightest. I find it weird that just by having registered my TW license on another Bnet account, I would still have what I paid for (2 accounts with global play, instead of what I have now, only 1). Which would have actually been against their "RealID" policy of one B.net account per IRL identity. So in a sense, I got stripped from one game key for actually binding my own name to my SC2 accounts. Smooth move Blizzard, smooth indeed.
Edit: On another note, what the hell is the deal with those "MVP" posters on Blizzard's forums? Who the fuck are they? They sound really assholish. And I understand all the comments (from guys who only bought one license, obviously...) about us just buying multiple region access for the length of time where it was unavailable. Yet that's not at all what we bought. I bought a full WoL game, dammit. What bothers me is that if I had just made another Bnet account (which is free, and very fast), I would still have 2 SC2 games. What the hell is Blizzard supposed to answer to that argument? "Serves you right, retard."?
Edit2: I submitted a "ticket" to the support service. Will let you know how it went. I'll put here my message if it worked :D Maybe if it fails as well, though that would be a shame
I owned 3 licenses on my account, now I only have one but I don't see it as a problem at all because I still have access to all the servers that I paid for. Why does this matter so much to people? I bought the extra licenses to gain access to other servers, and that's just what I got back then, and that's just what I still have.
You are dense. People are pissed off because they no longer have separate accounts they paid for. For example, you could have a Terran ladder account, a protoss ladder account, and a zerg ladder account........ Or do whatever the hell you want with them because you bought 3 separate accounts/copies of the game. If you want to give them away or let a friend borrow them you should be able to.
Not understanding buying an account wasnt simply about regional access makes me believe the majority of the people claiming people are complaining for not getting things for free are morons of the highest order. it isnt a difficult concept to grasp.
Yep, for one last time, people are not complaining because they're somehow jealous of those who just paid for one SC2 (which is perfectly reasonable) and now have the same global access as them who bought multiple licenses earlier on. That would be completely childish and pointless. I'm happy that global play is available to everybody.
On February 22 2013 11:42 ZenithM wrote: Wow no shit, my TW license got removed from my B.net account, I now have just a single SC2 account registered. I'm sorry but I don't find this honest in the slightest. I find it weird that just by having registered my TW license on another Bnet account, I would still have what I paid for (2 accounts with global play, instead of what I have now, only 1). Which would have actually been against their "RealID" policy of one B.net account per IRL identity. So in a sense, I got stripped from one game key for actually binding my own name to my SC2 accounts. Smooth move Blizzard, smooth indeed.
Edit: On another note, what the hell is the deal with those "MVP" posters on Blizzard's forums? Who the fuck are they? They sound really assholish. And I understand all the comments (from guys who only bought one license, obviously...) about us just buying multiple region access for the length of time where it was unavailable. Yet that's not at all what we bought. I bought a full WoL game, dammit. What bothers me is that if I had just made another Bnet account (which is free, and very fast), I would still have 2 SC2 games. What the hell is Blizzard supposed to answer to that argument? "Serves you right, retard."?
Edit2: I submitted a "ticket" to the support service. Will let you know how it went. I'll put here my message if it worked :D Maybe if it fails as well, though that would be a shame
I owned 3 licenses on my account, now I only have one but I don't see it as a problem at all because I still have access to all the servers that I paid for. Why does this matter so much to people? I bought the extra licenses to gain access to other servers, and that's just what I got back then, and that's just what I still have.
You are dense. People are pissed off because they no longer have separate accounts they paid for. For example, you could have a Terran ladder account, a protoss ladder account, and a zerg ladder account........ Or do whatever the hell you want with them because you bought 3 separate accounts/copies of the game. If you want to give them away or let a friend borrow them you should be able to.
Not understanding buying an account wasnt simply about regional access makes me believe the majority of the people claiming people are complaining for not getting things for free are morons of the highest order. it isnt a difficult concept to grasp.
On February 22 2013 11:42 ZenithM wrote: Wow no shit, my TW license got removed from my B.net account, I now have just a single SC2 account registered. I'm sorry but I don't find this honest in the slightest. I find it weird that just by having registered my TW license on another Bnet account, I would still have what I paid for (2 accounts with global play, instead of what I have now, only 1). Which would have actually been against their "RealID" policy of one B.net account per IRL identity. So in a sense, I got stripped from one game key for actually binding my own name to my SC2 accounts. Smooth move Blizzard, smooth indeed.
Edit: On another note, what the hell is the deal with those "MVP" posters on Blizzard's forums? Who the fuck are they? They sound really assholish. And I understand all the comments (from guys who only bought one license, obviously...) about us just buying multiple region access for the length of time where it was unavailable. Yet that's not at all what we bought. I bought a full WoL game, dammit. What bothers me is that if I had just made another Bnet account (which is free, and very fast), I would still have 2 SC2 games. What the hell is Blizzard supposed to answer to that argument? "Serves you right, retard."?
Edit2: I submitted a "ticket" to the support service. Will let you know how it went. I'll put here my message if it worked :D Maybe if it fails as well, though that would be a shame
I owned 3 licenses on my account, now I only have one but I don't see it as a problem at all because I still have access to all the servers that I paid for. Why does this matter so much to people? I bought the extra licenses to gain access to other servers, and that's just what I got back then, and that's just what I still have.
You are dense. People are pissed off because they no longer have separate accounts they paid for. For example, you could have a Terran ladder account, a protoss ladder account, and a zerg ladder account........ Or do whatever the hell you want with them because you bought 3 separate accounts/copies of the game. If you want to give them away or let a friend borrow them you should be able to.
Not understanding buying an account wasnt simply about regional access makes me believe the majority of the people claiming people are complaining for not getting things for free are morons of the highest order. it isnt a difficult concept to grasp.
Well, if you have 3 licenses like you pretend, had you created 3 different Battle.net accounts, you would now have 12-15 ladder accounts in that sense, 3 for each regions.
On February 22 2013 11:42 ZenithM wrote: Wow no shit, my TW license got removed from my B.net account, I now have just a single SC2 account registered. I'm sorry but I don't find this honest in the slightest. I find it weird that just by having registered my TW license on another Bnet account, I would still have what I paid for (2 accounts with global play, instead of what I have now, only 1). Which would have actually been against their "RealID" policy of one B.net account per IRL identity. So in a sense, I got stripped from one game key for actually binding my own name to my SC2 accounts. Smooth move Blizzard, smooth indeed.
Edit: On another note, what the hell is the deal with those "MVP" posters on Blizzard's forums? Who the fuck are they? They sound really assholish. And I understand all the comments (from guys who only bought one license, obviously...) about us just buying multiple region access for the length of time where it was unavailable. Yet that's not at all what we bought. I bought a full WoL game, dammit. What bothers me is that if I had just made another Bnet account (which is free, and very fast), I would still have 2 SC2 games. What the hell is Blizzard supposed to answer to that argument? "Serves you right, retard."?
Edit2: I submitted a "ticket" to the support service. Will let you know how it went. I'll put here my message if it worked :D Maybe if it fails as well, though that would be a shame
I owned 3 licenses on my account, now I only have one but I don't see it as a problem at all because I still have access to all the servers that I paid for. Why does this matter so much to people? I bought the extra licenses to gain access to other servers, and that's just what I got back then, and that's just what I still have.
You are dense. People are pissed off because they no longer have separate accounts they paid for. For example, you could have a Terran ladder account, a protoss ladder account, and a zerg ladder account........ Or do whatever the hell you want with them because you bought 3 separate accounts/copies of the game. If you want to give them away or let a friend borrow them you should be able to.
Not understanding buying an account wasnt simply about regional access makes me believe the majority of the people claiming people are complaining for not getting things for free are morons of the highest order. it isnt a difficult concept to grasp.
Well, if you have 3 licenses like you pretend, had you created 3 different Battle.net accounts, you would now have 12-15 ladder accounts in that sense, 3 for each regions.
I realize this, but that's not what the person I quoted said.
On February 22 2013 11:42 ZenithM wrote: Wow no shit, my TW license got removed from my B.net account, I now have just a single SC2 account registered. I'm sorry but I don't find this honest in the slightest. I find it weird that just by having registered my TW license on another Bnet account, I would still have what I paid for (2 accounts with global play, instead of what I have now, only 1). Which would have actually been against their "RealID" policy of one B.net account per IRL identity. So in a sense, I got stripped from one game key for actually binding my own name to my SC2 accounts. Smooth move Blizzard, smooth indeed.
Edit: On another note, what the hell is the deal with those "MVP" posters on Blizzard's forums? Who the fuck are they? They sound really assholish. And I understand all the comments (from guys who only bought one license, obviously...) about us just buying multiple region access for the length of time where it was unavailable. Yet that's not at all what we bought. I bought a full WoL game, dammit. What bothers me is that if I had just made another Bnet account (which is free, and very fast), I would still have 2 SC2 games. What the hell is Blizzard supposed to answer to that argument? "Serves you right, retard."?
Edit2: I submitted a "ticket" to the support service. Will let you know how it went. I'll put here my message if it worked :D Maybe if it fails as well, though that would be a shame
I owned 3 licenses on my account, now I only have one but I don't see it as a problem at all because I still have access to all the servers that I paid for. Why does this matter so much to people? I bought the extra licenses to gain access to other servers, and that's just what I got back then, and that's just what I still have.
You are dense. People are pissed off because they no longer have separate accounts they paid for. For example, you could have a Terran ladder account, a protoss ladder account, and a zerg ladder account........ Or do whatever the hell you want with them because you bought 3 separate accounts/copies of the game. If you want to give them away or let a friend borrow them you should be able to.
Not understanding buying an account wasnt simply about regional access makes me believe the majority of the people claiming people are complaining for not getting things for free are morons of the highest order. it isnt a difficult concept to grasp.
Well, if you have 3 licenses like you pretend, had you created 3 different Battle.net accounts, you would now have 12-15 ladder accounts in that sense, 3 for each regions.
I realize this, but that's not what the person I quoted said.
Ok. But you understand that people might be upset about that right? What does it take you to make 2 others Battle.net accounts? Almost as many clicks and minutes as the number of extra freaking ladder accounts you would have gotten, for free. 10 minutes for 10 ladder accounts, I would have taken the deal.
On February 22 2013 11:42 ZenithM wrote: Wow no shit, my TW license got removed from my B.net account, I now have just a single SC2 account registered. I'm sorry but I don't find this honest in the slightest. I find it weird that just by having registered my TW license on another Bnet account, I would still have what I paid for (2 accounts with global play, instead of what I have now, only 1). Which would have actually been against their "RealID" policy of one B.net account per IRL identity. So in a sense, I got stripped from one game key for actually binding my own name to my SC2 accounts. Smooth move Blizzard, smooth indeed.
Edit: On another note, what the hell is the deal with those "MVP" posters on Blizzard's forums? Who the fuck are they? They sound really assholish. And I understand all the comments (from guys who only bought one license, obviously...) about us just buying multiple region access for the length of time where it was unavailable. Yet that's not at all what we bought. I bought a full WoL game, dammit. What bothers me is that if I had just made another Bnet account (which is free, and very fast), I would still have 2 SC2 games. What the hell is Blizzard supposed to answer to that argument? "Serves you right, retard."?
Edit2: I submitted a "ticket" to the support service. Will let you know how it went. I'll put here my message if it worked :D Maybe if it fails as well, though that would be a shame
I owned 3 licenses on my account, now I only have one but I don't see it as a problem at all because I still have access to all the servers that I paid for. Why does this matter so much to people? I bought the extra licenses to gain access to other servers, and that's just what I got back then, and that's just what I still have.
You are dense. People are pissed off because they no longer have separate accounts they paid for. For example, you could have a Terran ladder account, a protoss ladder account, and a zerg ladder account........ Or do whatever the hell you want with them because you bought 3 separate accounts/copies of the game. If you want to give them away or let a friend borrow them you should be able to.
Not understanding buying an account wasnt simply about regional access makes me believe the majority of the people claiming people are complaining for not getting things for free are morons of the highest order. it isnt a difficult concept to grasp.
Well, if you have 3 licenses like you pretend, had you created 3 different Battle.net accounts, you would now have 12-15 ladder accounts in that sense, 3 for each regions.
I realize this, but that's not what the person I quoted said.
Ok. But you understand that people might be upset about that right? What does it take you to make 2 others Battle.net accounts? Almost as many clicks and minutes as the number of extra freaking ladder accounts you would have gotten, for free. 10 minutes for 10 ladder accounts, I would have taken the deal.
Seeing as in my view I've not lost anything that I paid for but instead only gained with global play I don't think I've been cheated at all. I still have what I paid for and I don't feel that I should get more. Those who made separate accounts for their licenses doesn't bother me.
So yes, while I see why you're upset I don't understand or agree with that reasoning at all.
Edit: The one way I would be upset would be if people who had multiple accounts on the same server and then they merged losing their initial ability to smurf/offrace. But seeing as you couldn't have more than 1 license per region per account none of these people have been affected by it anyways.
People just have their panties in a bunch because although everyone gain something.. they feel some people got more than what they have so they are sour about it. Hope you complain hard enough that Blizz grants you your wishes!
On February 22 2013 11:42 ZenithM wrote: Wow no shit, my TW license got removed from my B.net account, I now have just a single SC2 account registered. I'm sorry but I don't find this honest in the slightest. I find it weird that just by having registered my TW license on another Bnet account, I would still have what I paid for (2 accounts with global play, instead of what I have now, only 1). Which would have actually been against their "RealID" policy of one B.net account per IRL identity. So in a sense, I got stripped from one game key for actually binding my own name to my SC2 accounts. Smooth move Blizzard, smooth indeed.
Edit: On another note, what the hell is the deal with those "MVP" posters on Blizzard's forums? Who the fuck are they? They sound really assholish. And I understand all the comments (from guys who only bought one license, obviously...) about us just buying multiple region access for the length of time where it was unavailable. Yet that's not at all what we bought. I bought a full WoL game, dammit. What bothers me is that if I had just made another Bnet account (which is free, and very fast), I would still have 2 SC2 games. What the hell is Blizzard supposed to answer to that argument? "Serves you right, retard."?
Edit2: I submitted a "ticket" to the support service. Will let you know how it went. I'll put here my message if it worked :D Maybe if it fails as well, though that would be a shame
I owned 3 licenses on my account, now I only have one but I don't see it as a problem at all because I still have access to all the servers that I paid for. Why does this matter so much to people? I bought the extra licenses to gain access to other servers, and that's just what I got back then, and that's just what I still have.
Because you paid for 3 licenses. Blizzard cannot just take two away and grant access to all regions to the other one. You should have 3 licenses and Blizzard should have given you another one for the last region.
In the end you can do the same ingame with 4 seperate licenses or one global license. But it is about what exactly you paid for.
On February 22 2013 11:42 ZenithM wrote: Wow no shit, my TW license got removed from my B.net account, I now have just a single SC2 account registered. I'm sorry but I don't find this honest in the slightest. I find it weird that just by having registered my TW license on another Bnet account, I would still have what I paid for (2 accounts with global play, instead of what I have now, only 1). Which would have actually been against their "RealID" policy of one B.net account per IRL identity. So in a sense, I got stripped from one game key for actually binding my own name to my SC2 accounts. Smooth move Blizzard, smooth indeed.
Edit: On another note, what the hell is the deal with those "MVP" posters on Blizzard's forums? Who the fuck are they? They sound really assholish. And I understand all the comments (from guys who only bought one license, obviously...) about us just buying multiple region access for the length of time where it was unavailable. Yet that's not at all what we bought. I bought a full WoL game, dammit. What bothers me is that if I had just made another Bnet account (which is free, and very fast), I would still have 2 SC2 games. What the hell is Blizzard supposed to answer to that argument? "Serves you right, retard."?
Edit2: I submitted a "ticket" to the support service. Will let you know how it went. I'll put here my message if it worked :D Maybe if it fails as well, though that would be a shame
I owned 3 licenses on my account, now I only have one but I don't see it as a problem at all because I still have access to all the servers that I paid for. Why does this matter so much to people? I bought the extra licenses to gain access to other servers, and that's just what I got back then, and that's just what I still have.
You are dense. People are pissed off because they no longer have separate accounts they paid for. For example, you could have a Terran ladder account, a protoss ladder account, and a zerg ladder account........ Or do whatever the hell you want with them because you bought 3 separate accounts/copies of the game. If you want to give them away or let a friend borrow them you should be able to.
Not understanding buying an account wasnt simply about regional access makes me believe the majority of the people claiming people are complaining for not getting things for free are morons of the highest order. it isnt a difficult concept to grasp.
Well, if you have 3 licenses like you pretend, had you created 3 different Battle.net accounts, you would now have 12-15 ladder accounts in that sense, 3 for each regions.
I realize this, but that's not what the person I quoted said.
Ok. But you understand that people might be upset about that right? What does it take you to make 2 others Battle.net accounts? Almost as many clicks and minutes as the number of extra freaking ladder accounts you would have gotten, for free. 10 minutes for 10 ladder accounts, I would have taken the deal.
Edit: The one way I would be upset would be if people who had multiple accounts on the same server and then they merged losing their initial ability to smurf/offrace.
But why? Surely you knew this could happen when you bought the second license. Also, you benefited enough from it already! Also, are you not happy now that everyone else is getting global play? You just traded one license from your main region for a license on another region + all the rest! So greedy omg!
On February 22 2013 11:42 ZenithM wrote: Wow no shit, my TW license got removed from my B.net account, I now have just a single SC2 account registered. I'm sorry but I don't find this honest in the slightest. I find it weird that just by having registered my TW license on another Bnet account, I would still have what I paid for (2 accounts with global play, instead of what I have now, only 1). Which would have actually been against their "RealID" policy of one B.net account per IRL identity. So in a sense, I got stripped from one game key for actually binding my own name to my SC2 accounts. Smooth move Blizzard, smooth indeed.
Edit: On another note, what the hell is the deal with those "MVP" posters on Blizzard's forums? Who the fuck are they? They sound really assholish. And I understand all the comments (from guys who only bought one license, obviously...) about us just buying multiple region access for the length of time where it was unavailable. Yet that's not at all what we bought. I bought a full WoL game, dammit. What bothers me is that if I had just made another Bnet account (which is free, and very fast), I would still have 2 SC2 games. What the hell is Blizzard supposed to answer to that argument? "Serves you right, retard."?
Edit2: I submitted a "ticket" to the support service. Will let you know how it went. I'll put here my message if it worked :D Maybe if it fails as well, though that would be a shame
I owned 3 licenses on my account, now I only have one but I don't see it as a problem at all because I still have access to all the servers that I paid for. Why does this matter so much to people? I bought the extra licenses to gain access to other servers, and that's just what I got back then, and that's just what I still have.
You are dense. People are pissed off because they no longer have separate accounts they paid for. For example, you could have a Terran ladder account, a protoss ladder account, and a zerg ladder account........ Or do whatever the hell you want with them because you bought 3 separate accounts/copies of the game. If you want to give them away or let a friend borrow them you should be able to.
Not understanding buying an account wasnt simply about regional access makes me believe the majority of the people claiming people are complaining for not getting things for free are morons of the highest order. it isnt a difficult concept to grasp.
Well, if you have 3 licenses like you pretend, had you created 3 different Battle.net accounts, you would now have 12-15 ladder accounts in that sense, 3 for each regions.
I realize this, but that's not what the person I quoted said.
Ok. But you understand that people might be upset about that right? What does it take you to make 2 others Battle.net accounts? Almost as many clicks and minutes as the number of extra freaking ladder accounts you would have gotten, for free. 10 minutes for 10 ladder accounts, I would have taken the deal.
Edit: The one way I would be upset would be if people who had multiple accounts on the same server and then they merged losing their initial ability to smurf/offrace.
But why? Surely you knew this could happen when you bought the second license. Also, you benefited enough from it already! Also, are you not happy now that everyone else is getting global play? You just traded one license from your main region for a license on another region + all the rest! So greedy omg!
/sarcasm
It's obviously not the same thing as I would have paid twice to play with low latency on my main server with 2 separate profiles as opposed to having paid for being able to play on 2 separate servers and still being able to do so after the merger.
In one case I'm losing something I paid for (2 eu accounts for example) in the other case I still have everything that I paid for and more (1 eu, 1 na +all the others i now get).
On February 22 2013 23:37 Gamer_Girl wrote: You don't deserve a free copy. You made the decision to buy 2 copies and you should live by that decision. Blizzard isn't entitled to give you anything.
They are entitled to give me something if they took one of my copies away. Regardless of region and global play, if I paid for two copies of the game, I should have two copies of the game........not ONE merged copy.
On February 22 2013 11:42 ZenithM wrote: Wow no shit, my TW license got removed from my B.net account, I now have just a single SC2 account registered. I'm sorry but I don't find this honest in the slightest. I find it weird that just by having registered my TW license on another Bnet account, I would still have what I paid for (2 accounts with global play, instead of what I have now, only 1). Which would have actually been against their "RealID" policy of one B.net account per IRL identity. So in a sense, I got stripped from one game key for actually binding my own name to my SC2 accounts. Smooth move Blizzard, smooth indeed.
Edit: On another note, what the hell is the deal with those "MVP" posters on Blizzard's forums? Who the fuck are they? They sound really assholish. And I understand all the comments (from guys who only bought one license, obviously...) about us just buying multiple region access for the length of time where it was unavailable. Yet that's not at all what we bought. I bought a full WoL game, dammit. What bothers me is that if I had just made another Bnet account (which is free, and very fast), I would still have 2 SC2 games. What the hell is Blizzard supposed to answer to that argument? "Serves you right, retard."?
Edit2: I submitted a "ticket" to the support service. Will let you know how it went. I'll put here my message if it worked :D Maybe if it fails as well, though that would be a shame
I owned 3 licenses on my account, now I only have one but I don't see it as a problem at all because I still have access to all the servers that I paid for. Why does this matter so much to people? I bought the extra licenses to gain access to other servers, and that's just what I got back then, and that's just what I still have.
You are dense. People are pissed off because they no longer have separate accounts they paid for. For example, you could have a Terran ladder account, a protoss ladder account, and a zerg ladder account........ Or do whatever the hell you want with them because you bought 3 separate accounts/copies of the game. If you want to give them away or let a friend borrow them you should be able to.
Not understanding buying an account wasnt simply about regional access makes me believe the majority of the people claiming people are complaining for not getting things for free are morons of the highest order. it isnt a difficult concept to grasp.
Well, if you have 3 licenses like you pretend, had you created 3 different Battle.net accounts, you would now have 12-15 ladder accounts in that sense, 3 for each regions.
I realize this, but that's not what the person I quoted said.
Ok. But you understand that people might be upset about that right? What does it take you to make 2 others Battle.net accounts? Almost as many clicks and minutes as the number of extra freaking ladder accounts you would have gotten, for free. 10 minutes for 10 ladder accounts, I would have taken the deal.
Edit: The one way I would be upset would be if people who had multiple accounts on the same server and then they merged losing their initial ability to smurf/offrace.
But why? Surely you knew this could happen when you bought the second license. Also, you benefited enough from it already! Also, are you not happy now that everyone else is getting global play? You just traded one license from your main region for a license on another region + all the rest! So greedy omg!
/sarcasm
It's obviously not the same thing as I would have paid twice to play with low latency on my main server with 2 separate profiles as opposed to having paid for being able to play on 2 separate servers and still being able to do so after the merger.
In one case I'm losing something I paid for (2 eu accounts for example) in the other case I still have everything that I paid for and more (1 eu, 1 na +all the others i now get).
Well, I don't see much difference in having 2 accounts on the same server and 2 on separate servers, if you just play alone and use them for offraces, and I don't even think Blizzard could make the distinction either.
On February 22 2013 11:42 ZenithM wrote: Wow no shit, my TW license got removed from my B.net account, I now have just a single SC2 account registered. I'm sorry but I don't find this honest in the slightest. I find it weird that just by having registered my TW license on another Bnet account, I would still have what I paid for (2 accounts with global play, instead of what I have now, only 1). Which would have actually been against their "RealID" policy of one B.net account per IRL identity. So in a sense, I got stripped from one game key for actually binding my own name to my SC2 accounts. Smooth move Blizzard, smooth indeed.
Edit: On another note, what the hell is the deal with those "MVP" posters on Blizzard's forums? Who the fuck are they? They sound really assholish. And I understand all the comments (from guys who only bought one license, obviously...) about us just buying multiple region access for the length of time where it was unavailable. Yet that's not at all what we bought. I bought a full WoL game, dammit. What bothers me is that if I had just made another Bnet account (which is free, and very fast), I would still have 2 SC2 games. What the hell is Blizzard supposed to answer to that argument? "Serves you right, retard."?
Edit2: I submitted a "ticket" to the support service. Will let you know how it went. I'll put here my message if it worked :D Maybe if it fails as well, though that would be a shame
I owned 3 licenses on my account, now I only have one but I don't see it as a problem at all because I still have access to all the servers that I paid for. Why does this matter so much to people? I bought the extra licenses to gain access to other servers, and that's just what I got back then, and that's just what I still have.
Because you paid for 3 licenses. Blizzard cannot just take two away and grant access to all regions to the other one. You should have 3 licenses and Blizzard should have given you another one for the last region.
In the end you can do the same ingame with 4 seperate licenses or one global license. But it is about what exactly you paid for.
Nobody told you to buy multiple games...
And besides, common sense would be to spread those games out over different accounts.
Listen, childs: What people are complaining about is that they bought 2 products, and they now have one. Yes, that one product is extended a bit, but its still only one product. That is actually not legal.
That said, I still believe Blizzard intends to fix this by having you be able to choose which profile you want to login as when hots is released. Anything else would be fraud.
And besides, common sense would be to spread those games out over different accounts.
How the fuck is that relevant?
Let me explain this like I would to a five year old.
I buy an apple, an orange, a plum and a banana.
Joey next door buys an apple.
12 months later, my apple, my orange, my plum and my banana get turned into a kiwi.
Joey's apple also gets turned into a kiwi.
Therefore, my orange, my plum and my banana are totally useless BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THEM ANYMORE.
To use a phone analogy.
I buy an iphone 4.
Joey next door buys an iphone 5 12 months later. I think "that's cool" and to get one too. But I DON'T lose the iphone 4, I have an additional phone I can still use or sell.
And besides, common sense would be to spread those games out over different accounts.
How the fuck is that relevant?
Let me explain this like I would to a five year old.
I buy an apple, an orange, a plum and a banana.
Joey next door buys an apple.
12 months later, my apple, my orange, my plum and my banana get turned into a kiwi.
Joey's apple also gets turned into a kiwi.
Therefore, my orange, my plum and my banana are totally useless BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THEM ANYMORE.
To use a phone analogy.
I buy an iphone 4.
Joey next door buys an iphone 5 12 months later. I think "that's cool" and to get one too. But I DON'T lose the iphone 4, I have an additional phone I can still use or sell.
I liked tha analogy of buying 2 eggs, and you put them in the same basket. Your friend buys 2 eggs and brings 2 baskets, and you think (pff, thats stupid). Suddenly a law passes that says you now get to have 3 eggs pr basket providing you have at least 1 egg in that basket. Now you have 3 eggs, and your friend has 6. Just because you didn't bring an extra basket..
And besides, common sense would be to spread those games out over different accounts.
How the fuck is that relevant?
Let me explain this like I would to a five year old.
I buy an apple, an orange, a plum and a banana.
Joey next door buys an apple.
12 months later, my apple, my orange, my plum and my banana get turned into a kiwi.
Joey's apple also gets turned into a kiwi.
Therefore, my orange, my plum and my banana are totally useless BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THEM ANYMORE.
To use a phone analogy.
I buy an iphone 4.
Joey next door buys an iphone 5 12 months later. I think "that's cool" and to get one too. But I DON'T lose the iphone 4, I have an additional phone I can still use or sell.
Nice... only if you had any common sense like i mentioned before... You would put your second game to a different blizz account, because everyone knew this global play was gonna come eventually.
On February 22 2013 23:37 Gamer_Girl wrote: You don't deserve a free copy. You made the decision to buy 2 copies and you should live by that decision. Blizzard isn't entitled to give you anything.
It is not a free copy. We have purchased 2 or 3 copies of the game already. If we buy yet another one, we would have n-1 global play accounts.
And besides, common sense would be to spread those games out over different accounts.
How the fuck is that relevant?
Let me explain this like I would to a five year old.
I buy an apple, an orange, a plum and a banana.
Joey next door buys an apple.
12 months later, my apple, my orange, my plum and my banana get turned into a kiwi.
Joey's apple also gets turned into a kiwi.
Therefore, my orange, my plum and my banana are totally useless BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THEM ANYMORE.
To use a phone analogy.
I buy an iphone 4.
Joey next door buys an iphone 5 12 months later. I think "that's cool" and to get one too. But I DON'T lose the iphone 4, I have an additional phone I can still use or sell.
Nice... only if you had any common sense like i mentioned before... You would put your second game to a different blizz account, because everyone knew this global play was gonna come eventually.
1. No we didn't. 2. No one said global play meant that you would lose the rest of your accounts (in fact, I still believe that blizzard will let you choose which profile to use when hots is released. If that is correct, that would make you stupid and not us, no?)
On February 22 2013 23:37 Gamer_Girl wrote: You don't deserve a free copy. You made the decision to buy 2 copies and you should live by that decision. Blizzard isn't entitled to give you anything.
It is not a free copy. We have purchased 2 or 3 copies of the game already. If we buy yet another one, we would have n-1 global play accounts.
You might get something extra but a free copy is zero chance. For all we know you got those last copies from the bargin bin for maybe 10-20[insert your currency here] so there is no way they will give you a 40 free expansion.
On February 22 2013 11:42 ZenithM wrote: Wow no shit, my TW license got removed from my B.net account, I now have just a single SC2 account registered. I'm sorry but I don't find this honest in the slightest. I find it weird that just by having registered my TW license on another Bnet account, I would still have what I paid for (2 accounts with global play, instead of what I have now, only 1). Which would have actually been against their "RealID" policy of one B.net account per IRL identity. So in a sense, I got stripped from one game key for actually binding my own name to my SC2 accounts. Smooth move Blizzard, smooth indeed.
Edit: On another note, what the hell is the deal with those "MVP" posters on Blizzard's forums? Who the fuck are they? They sound really assholish. And I understand all the comments (from guys who only bought one license, obviously...) about us just buying multiple region access for the length of time where it was unavailable. Yet that's not at all what we bought. I bought a full WoL game, dammit. What bothers me is that if I had just made another Bnet account (which is free, and very fast), I would still have 2 SC2 games. What the hell is Blizzard supposed to answer to that argument? "Serves you right, retard."?
Edit2: I submitted a "ticket" to the support service. Will let you know how it went. I'll put here my message if it worked :D Maybe if it fails as well, though that would be a shame
I owned 3 licenses on my account, now I only have one but I don't see it as a problem at all because I still have access to all the servers that I paid for. Why does this matter so much to people? I bought the extra licenses to gain access to other servers, and that's just what I got back then, and that's just what I still have.
Because you paid for 3 licenses. Blizzard cannot just take two away and grant access to all regions to the other one. You should have 3 licenses and Blizzard should have given you another one for the last region.
In the end you can do the same ingame with 4 seperate licenses or one global license. But it is about what exactly you paid for.
Nobody told you to buy multiple games...
And besides, common sense would be to spread those games out over different accounts.
So what do I need to use the expansion? A wol-license. What do I need to use 2 expansions? Two wol-licenses.
What do I have? Two wol-licenses. What do I need to purchase to use two expansions? Two expansions and a third wol-license.
The problem is that Blizzard want to switch from licenses to Battle.net accounts, but I bought licenses. It shouldn't matter that my licenses are on one Battle.net account.
On February 22 2013 11:42 ZenithM wrote: Wow no shit, my TW license got removed from my B.net account, I now have just a single SC2 account registered. I'm sorry but I don't find this honest in the slightest. I find it weird that just by having registered my TW license on another Bnet account, I would still have what I paid for (2 accounts with global play, instead of what I have now, only 1). Which would have actually been against their "RealID" policy of one B.net account per IRL identity. So in a sense, I got stripped from one game key for actually binding my own name to my SC2 accounts. Smooth move Blizzard, smooth indeed.
Edit: On another note, what the hell is the deal with those "MVP" posters on Blizzard's forums? Who the fuck are they? They sound really assholish. And I understand all the comments (from guys who only bought one license, obviously...) about us just buying multiple region access for the length of time where it was unavailable. Yet that's not at all what we bought. I bought a full WoL game, dammit. What bothers me is that if I had just made another Bnet account (which is free, and very fast), I would still have 2 SC2 games. What the hell is Blizzard supposed to answer to that argument? "Serves you right, retard."?
Edit2: I submitted a "ticket" to the support service. Will let you know how it went. I'll put here my message if it worked :D Maybe if it fails as well, though that would be a shame
I owned 3 licenses on my account, now I only have one but I don't see it as a problem at all because I still have access to all the servers that I paid for. Why does this matter so much to people? I bought the extra licenses to gain access to other servers, and that's just what I got back then, and that's just what I still have.
You are dense. People are pissed off because they no longer have separate accounts they paid for. For example, you could have a Terran ladder account, a protoss ladder account, and a zerg ladder account........ Or do whatever the hell you want with them because you bought 3 separate accounts/copies of the game. If you want to give them away or let a friend borrow them you should be able to.
Not understanding buying an account wasnt simply about regional access makes me believe the majority of the people claiming people are complaining for not getting things for free are morons of the highest order. it isnt a difficult concept to grasp.
Well, if you have 3 licenses like you pretend, had you created 3 different Battle.net accounts, you would now have 12-15 ladder accounts in that sense, 3 for each regions.
I realize this, but that's not what the person I quoted said.
Ok. But you understand that people might be upset about that right? What does it take you to make 2 others Battle.net accounts? Almost as many clicks and minutes as the number of extra freaking ladder accounts you would have gotten, for free. 10 minutes for 10 ladder accounts, I would have taken the deal.
Edit: The one way I would be upset would be if people who had multiple accounts on the same server and then they merged losing their initial ability to smurf/offrace.
But why? Surely you knew this could happen when you bought the second license. Also, you benefited enough from it already! Also, are you not happy now that everyone else is getting global play? You just traded one license from your main region for a license on another region + all the rest! So greedy omg!
/sarcasm
It's obviously not the same thing as I would have paid twice to play with low latency on my main server with 2 separate profiles as opposed to having paid for being able to play on 2 separate servers and still being able to do so after the merger.
In one case I'm losing something I paid for (2 eu accounts for example) in the other case I still have everything that I paid for and more (1 eu, 1 na +all the others i now get).
My friend, I did not buy abilities, reasons, accounts or other crazy stuff. I bought two CD-keys. Between me buying 2 CD-keys on one account, someone buying 2 CD-keys on two accounts and someone buying, as you say, 2 CD-keys for the same region to smurf - is it really a question of why? Do you or Blizzard have the (moral - since this is already the field of philosophy) power to say which one of us can keep the two CD-keys and who should have one taken away?
On February 22 2013 23:37 Gamer_Girl wrote: You don't deserve a free copy. You made the decision to buy 2 copies and you should live by that decision. Blizzard isn't entitled to give you anything.
It is not a free copy. We have purchased 2 or 3 copies of the game already. If we buy yet another one, we would have n-1 global play accounts.
You might get something extra but a free copy is zero chance. For all we know you got those last copies from the bargin bin for maybe 10-20[insert your currency here] so there is no way they will give you a 40 free expansion.
All (most) people want is their actual product back. As you say, it may cost 5 or 50 euros, it's irrelevant, I don't want free HotS, I just want the actual thing that I bought.
On February 23 2013 03:45 n0ise wrote: My friend, I did not buy abilities, reasons, accounts or other crazy stuff. I bought two CD-keys. Between me buying 2 CD-keys on one account, someone buying 2 CD-keys on two accounts and someone buying, as you say, 2 CD-keys for the same region to smurf - is it really a question of why? Do you or Blizzard have the (moral - since this is already the field of philosophy) power to say which one of us can keep the two CD-keys and who should have one taken away?
You're really grasping at straws here. Come on man, just admit that you were hoping to get more out of global play than you got and now you're disappointed that you didn't.. That doesn't change the fact that nothing has changed for you or anyone else with this "problem".
On February 23 2013 03:45 n0ise wrote: All (most) people want is their actual product back. As you say, it may cost 5 or 50 euros, it's irrelevant, I don't want free HotS, I just want the actual thing that I bought.
No, I doubt many actually cares about their the merger in that way, they see everyone getting global play and now they feel cheated because they don't get more than what people who only paid once did. It's petty, and ridiculous to assume they should.
Okay guys. I submitted a ticket to the Battle.net support service and a positive reply came back, saying that Blizzard can transfer my extra game license on another Bnet account
Before global play was made available in SC2, I bought a TW SC2 game key to add to my EU game key, to play on the Taiwanese/Korean servers. The game was listed as a separate game license in my account management on this website. Recently, this game license was simply removed, without warning. I get that global play is now available and that Blizzard just merged my 2 licenses into one with global access, and I also (though with much more difficulty) get that I "only bought an extra license" for the lapse of time where global play was NOT available, thus conferring me an advantage in assets over those who have only paid for one license. Fine. But here's my problem: had I simply created another Battle.net account and registered my TW game license there, I would now have 2 fully globalized SC2 WoL games, and not just the 1 that I currently have. Creating a Battle.net account is free, and a very fast procedure, so it would not have been troublesome at all. It's just that I didn't anticipate that global play would one day be available, so I made the mistake to register my TW license on the account also containing my EU license. I don't find it very fair that this one tiny mistake (which is in fact not a mistake because I just didn't have all the information at the time) cost me a full SC2 WoL game account with global play. Having this extra account by now would truthfully have cost me a dozen of clicks and five minutes, i.e. what it takes to create a Battle.net account. I would be grateful if you could address this problem. I believe I'm not alone to voice this concern, and I, like many, would like it if you would unbind my TW SC2 WoL game key from this Battle.net account, so that I can register it again on another account. This would seem fair to me. I'm not asking for a refund, I'm not asking for a free account, I just want the game key I possessed back and unbound, so that I can register it again.
Truly yours, Firstname Name, Blizzard customer since 1999.
Greetings Firstname, Thank you for contacting Blizzard Entertainment, my name is John and I will be assisting with your issue today. Due to Globalization of play for SC II, it would be possible to transfer the game license to a different Battle.net account. Blizzard is unable to unlink the license from the account without transferring it. Please provide a completed copy of the account verification form for both accounts found here: https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/battle-net-terms-of-use-form
thanks, JohnA Account & Technical Services Rep ( Glymbil) Customer Services Blizzard Entertainment
Have a great day and an EPIC gaming experience !!!
My message is not really good or anything, a bit pompous and shit, but apparently it did the job. I'm now going to follow the aforementioned procedure and get back at you if I did really get my 2 separate accounts.
On February 23 2013 08:50 Pizzaboy17 wrote: UPDATE: Blizz just gave me back my second account on a separate email.
I wish you all luck, because I spent quite a bit of time in order to get these given back.
You talked to US Blizzard?
Ya i kept opening tickets (probably around 20 times), stating my argument then i got the following response: " This is xxxx from Blizzard Account & Technical Services. I was happy to assist you by making sure a SC2 account was still on this Battle.net account. Technically the policy only allows for us to help with this if the purchase happened recently, but as the call was already made to make the exception for you, I went ahead and saw to it that both accounts have the game on them.
It does appear that technical limitations have caused the one on this account to come with a "fresh start". Thanks for understanding that this side effect was unavoidable as a resukt of the situation. In any case, I'm glad to have been able to follow up on that exception for you! Let us know if you ever need anything else! May your loots be EPIC and rolls high!
Hmm, I'm not sure where I stand on them doing that. While it doesn't really hurt them and it +pr, they still shouldn't be entitled to have to give some sort of compensation.
On February 23 2013 12:56 Cyber_Cheese wrote: Hmm, I'm not sure where I stand on them doing that. While it doesn't really hurt them and it +pr, they still shouldn't be entitled to have to give some sort of compensation.
It's nothing he wouldn't have if he had put them on separate accounts in the start, which means it isn't compensation it is just what he paid for...Hopefully EU starts resolving issues.
It's embarassing how entitled some Blizzard fans are. You didn't see anyone crying when Team Fortress 2 became free to play. Oh no, people bought that and enjoyed it for years beforehand but all of a sudden everyone else gets to go and play it for free now! A game isn't that expensive, and that's coming from a student with a ton of student loan debt. You paid for an extra copy, got your hours worth in it, and now they're expanding their product to make it better for everyone else. You're not losing anything, everyone is gaining something, but you still have to cry. I have two licenses on one account but I'm not going to go beg to Blizzard about moving it to another account.
On February 23 2013 16:01 IcedBacon wrote: It's embarassing how entitled some Blizzard fans are. You didn't see anyone crying when Team Fortress 2 became free to play. Oh no, people bought that and enjoyed it for years beforehand but all of a sudden everyone else gets to go and play it for free now! A game isn't that expensive, and that's coming from a student with a ton of student loan debt. You paid for an extra copy, got your hours worth in it, and now they're expanding their product to make it better for everyone else. You're not losing anything, everyone is gaining something, but you still have to cry. I have two licenses on one account but I'm not going to go beg to Blizzard about moving it to another account.
But you are losing a license for a game you paid for. Team Fortress 2 argument doesn't even hold water because you didn't lose the game when it became free unless you had two copies before and didn't gift it to someone.
On February 23 2013 16:01 IcedBacon wrote: It's embarassing how entitled some Blizzard fans are. You didn't see anyone crying when Team Fortress 2 became free to play. Oh no, people bought that and enjoyed it for years beforehand but all of a sudden everyone else gets to go and play it for free now! A game isn't that expensive, and that's coming from a student with a ton of student loan debt. You paid for an extra copy, got your hours worth in it, and now they're expanding their product to make it better for everyone else. You're not losing anything, everyone is gaining something, but you still have to cry. I have two licenses on one account but I'm not going to go beg to Blizzard about moving it to another account.
If you buy 2 copies of Wol a day before Global Play was announced and put both on one account you did not get any value out of one copy. If you have two licenses, why can't you buy two copies of hots and activate both, but have to buy a third license for wol?
On February 23 2013 16:01 IcedBacon wrote: It's embarassing how entitled some Blizzard fans are. You didn't see anyone crying when Team Fortress 2 became free to play. Oh no, people bought that and enjoyed it for years beforehand but all of a sudden everyone else gets to go and play it for free now! A game isn't that expensive, and that's coming from a student with a ton of student loan debt. You paid for an extra copy, got your hours worth in it, and now they're expanding their product to make it better for everyone else. You're not losing anything, everyone is gaining something, but you still have to cry. I have two licenses on one account but I'm not going to go beg to Blizzard about moving it to another account.
Didn't they explain egos, logos, and pathos to you in college? Entitlement is irrelevant because that's just an emotional argument. You're just assigning them a bad label to dismiss their argument. It doesn't matter how "entitled" you think someone is. This is about the principal of the matter. If you have two bank accounts at the same bank, with ten dollars in each, would you not be upset if you came in one day and they'd been merged? "No big deal" you might say, "more convenience for me", and then you check your balance to find that it's $10. Does it make more sense that way?
The fact that blizzard is giving people who bug them long enough their acounts back is proof of it. The sad part is not enough people know their rights so they can get away with doing this lazy and half-assed. If you don't care about your money or second account that's fine, but don't go around calling people entitled like you're superior to them.
1) Whether its a licence or copy or account it HAS a set terms of service that the customer must agree upon when buying the game. What that implies is:
a) When you buy the game you basically make a deal - you pay X amount of money for an Y service provided on the terms in EULA. You agree to spend X amount of money on it. What it means is that if the company chooses to offer the same service at a lower price, it doesn't really matter for you because "you've made a deal" on different terms you yourself agreed to. It's a completely different situation from a legal point of view.
In other words:
Person A pays 60$ for a WoL account/licence - that's a deal! You've agreed to it. The company takes your 60$ and provide you with the service. However, some time later the company may offer other deals so that person B pays less for the same thing. It does not, however, affect the existing deals! They were made on different terms that both sides agreed to at the time of making said deal.
So, everyone who says that the situation is similar to the one where the price gets lowered just doesn't have the BASIC understanding of law. As I've said - every transaction is a deal with the terms you agree to at the time of making it.
If you agreed to the price and later on the company lowered it - your loss, because you could have waited and made the deal on the different terms, however - the deal that you've made still stands.
b) Every time you buy anything, you "sign" a deal from the legal point of view - you sign a deal which describes the conditions on which the rights/thing/service/licence has been transferred/enabled to you. Those are the terms of service and in every civilized country there's one simple rule:
If a person A and a person B make a deal and agree upon the terms of providing a service or releasing the right to certain object, one of the sides CANNOT uniliterally change the agreement and either demand or take anything unspecified in the earlier deal without the permission from the other side. If for some reasons the terms of service change, the other side MUST be informed of said change and MUST be given the right to withdraw from the deal.
It's BASIC 101 LAW people. People who had their SC 2 licences merged without agreeing to it have had their deal changed and thus they should have every right to simply not agree with said change. If they were not given such a choice than Blizzard just went against the law. Period. However - I don't really think that was the case.
Now, all we need to do is read the deal itself. Everything depends on what was Blizzard's end of the bargain. If a person paid 60$ for an access to the service for an undisclosed/set amount of time than I imagine that it is legally possible to just revoke the access - based on the fact that you "got what you paid for". However, if the deal said anything about providing a service without limitation for an infinite amount of time, than you have every right to either demand a refund or demand that the service is provided on the terms both sides agreed to previously.
To be honest - I think that most of the people who had their accounts merged are screwed - probably, at some point, Blizzard has updated the EULA and you guys just clicked "agree" without reading the new terms of service. That means you've agreed to have the initial deal changed. How? Well, from time to time when you log in to the game you get a huge wall of text with an EULA, don't you? You must check that you've read it and that you agree to it. I don't know how the law in the US works, but it's possible that: a) Blizzard changed the terms of sevice and... b) Informed you of said change. c) By clicking "agree" you've... agreed to it and the deal was changed.
And - I imagine - Blizzard's lawyers are not stupid. They've probably taken all the things I've said into careful consideration both when creating the intial EULA and the updated one. In other words - if you agreed to the new terms of service, you've probably also - somehow - agreed to have the accounts merged.
On February 23 2013 19:57 Holybouseman wrote: And - I imagine - Blizzard's lawyers are not stupid. They've probably taken all the things I've said into careful consideration both when creating the intial EULA and the updated one. In other words - if you agreed to the new terms of service, you've probably also - somehow - agreed to have the accounts merged.
That's how I see it.
You are correct, and you're also missing the point by a few galaxies.
Of course no one here legally has the right to get their accounts on different emails (even though Blizzard support randomly grants this wish, apparently). That's not at all the point. This is a moral issue, not a legal one.
Besides, the EULA also states that Blizzard can write you a mail saying "Fuck you, you're banned now". And ban you. And you gotta live with that, because you agreed that Blizzard is allowed to do this. And you agreed that Blizzard can do that to absolutely everyone, and you agreed that you will not band together with other banned dudes to hire a lawyer to sue them when that happens.
On February 23 2013 19:57 Holybouseman wrote: And - I imagine - Blizzard's lawyers are not stupid. They've probably taken all the things I've said into careful consideration both when creating the intial EULA and the updated one. In other words - if you agreed to the new terms of service, you've probably also - somehow - agreed to have the accounts merged.
That's how I see it.
You are correct, and you're also missing the point by a few galaxies.
Of course no one here legally has the right to get their accounts on different emails (even though Blizzard support randomly grants this wish, apparently). That's not at all the point. This is a moral issue, not a legal one.
In some situations people living in the EU have the right to re-sell the software they bought. If this is the case for sc2-licenses then this would be a legal issue because the license would have to be transfered to another Battle.net account. Blizzard even mentions in their EULA that if they are forced to transfer a license to comply with the law they can demand a fee for that transaction.
THE GAME IS LICENSED, NOT SOLD. NEITHER THE GAME NOR THE LICENSE GRANTED IN SECTION 1 MAY BE SUBLICENSED OR TRANSFERRED TO ANY OTHER PERSON OR ENTITY, AND ANY ATTEMPT TO DO SO SHALL BE NULL AND VOID. If a court of competent jurisdiction finds the foregoing sentence to be unenforceable, you agree that you will call Blizzard Customer Service at 1-800-592-5499 to arrange for the transfer of your rights under this Agreement to another person with a valid Battle.net account; provided, however, that Blizzard may charge a processing/handling fee to facilitate the transfer, issue a unique key to the transferee, and remove the preexisting key from the Battle.net account registered to you.
I think if the people who raised this issue should have mentioned that they plan to buy multiple copies of HotS for smurfing purposes ( i cant fathom another reason besides that and maybe reselling account to go through all the trouble ) - perhaps blizzard could then be more welcoming to the idea of transferring extra licences to secondary e-mails.
Most of the posts concering this topic just come off as "i missed out on the free because i didnt use multiple emails" without any real reason why they should get one.
On February 25 2013 08:23 rename wrote: I think if the people who raised this issue should have mentioned that they plan to buy multiple copies of HotS for smurfing purposes ( i cant fathom another reason besides that and maybe reselling account to go through all the trouble ) - perhaps blizzard could then be more welcoming to the idea of transferring extra licences to secondary e-mails.
Most of the posts concering this topic just come off as "i missed out on the free because i didnt use multiple emails" without any real reason why they should get one.
The reason to go through the trouble is that Global Play is introduced to WoL. I have 2 licenses on one account, and think I deserve to get two logins per region.
I asked the support if Global Play would apply to each license, and they answered:
Does the access to all regions (Global Play) apply to each of my licenses, or to my Battle.net account?
Global play will be applied to each license.
This means I should have one login per license per region. You should realize that Global Play is introduced to WoL aswell. I do not need to buy HotS.
I asked the same question again with this result:
I was able to confirm you have two separate SC2 game licenses linked to this email; one for the US region, and the other for EU.
Global Play should apply to both licenses (allowing separate logins.) But the details are not set in stone until the new expansion is released. So you may want to wait a few weeks to determine the full effect of global play.
It seems I should get two logins for each license, for every region. But Blizzard still has to figure it out... :s
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Would probably be the time for TL to rally and get the question of multiple games on one account out there.
i'm surprised this thread is still going despite how the OT was a bit poor.
i think it should be made easier to have your licenses (on one account) split.. personally, i manually split my licenses over different accounts anticipating something like global play, but i never thought they they would merge the licenses when linked to one account.
i'm curious how this issue has been raised on the bnet forums but then again i have a feeling that the whining would be quite a lot worst.
Don't be cheap You got what you paid for at the time and just because everyone is getting global now and in HOTS doesn't mean you deserve a new copy or a refund.
On February 26 2013 16:12 Gemini_sc2 wrote: Don't be cheap You got what you paid for at the time and just because everyone is getting global now and in HOTS doesn't mean you deserve a new copy or a refund.
On February 26 2013 16:12 Gemini_sc2 wrote: Don't be cheap You got what you paid for at the time and just because everyone is getting global now and in HOTS doesn't mean you deserve a new copy or a refund.
how about the copy we paid for? i don't get this argument that everyone keeps throwing out there... If someone could explain it to me from where all these people are coming from and how this ideal comes about... So basically I planned on buying 2 hots, regardless of global, figured if global came out great would end up with 2 NA, which is what I want in the end... So your calling me cheap by saying I should have to buy a 3rd copy of WoL? because my 2nd one was absorbed in this BS? When I technically already own 2 copies of WoL....Seriously learn to math or something.
Can someone clarify what exactly happened with Blizzard "merging" accounts for global play.
If you have a US and Korean character on the same B.net account, after Blizzard's merge do you end up with: 1. The US character, and your Korean character is deleted, i.e. your Korean account no longer has the ladder stats and achievements it used to. Or, 2. The same US character and the same Korean character in 1 SC2 account on your B.net account?
Basically, did Blizzard delete anyone's stats and achievements?
On February 26 2013 18:01 paralleluniverse wrote: Can someone clarify Blizzard "merging" accounts for global play.
If have you a US and Korean character on the same B.net account, after Blizzard's merge do you have do you end up with: 1. The US character, and your Korean character is deleted, i.e. your Korean account no longer has the ladder stats and achievements it used to. Or, 2. The same US character and the same Korean character in 1 SC2 account on your B.net account?
Basically, did Blizzard delete anyone's stats and achievements?
If you have one KR, one US and one EU game on one account, there is no changes whatsoever. If you had them on 3 separate accounts, you'd have 9 games, 3 for each region.
This is the main point people are complaining about.
On February 26 2013 18:01 paralleluniverse wrote: Can someone clarify Blizzard "merging" accounts for global play.
If have you a US and Korean character on the same B.net account, after Blizzard's merge do you have do you end up with: 1. The US character, and your Korean character is deleted, i.e. your Korean account no longer has the ladder stats and achievements it used to. Or, 2. The same US character and the same Korean character in 1 SC2 account on your B.net account?
Basically, did Blizzard delete anyone's stats and achievements?
If you have one KR, one US and one EU game on one account, there is no changes whatsoever. If you had them on 3 separate accounts, you'd have 9 games, 3 for each region.
This is the main point people are complaining about.
So given that Blizzard isn't deleting anyone's stats and achievements, what's the big deal?
Actually, what people seem to be complaining about is buying the game 3 times, on 1 B.net account, i.e. a US, EU, KR account on the same B.net account, and then not having access to 9 characters, 3 per region. They're complaining because they want 9 characters for buying the game 3 times.
But Blizzard is now allowing you to separate your 3 SC2 accounts into 3 B.net accounts, so that you do have 9 characters. But then you have to buy HotS 3 times, and that's perfectly fair because it's 3 B.net accounts now.
On February 26 2013 18:01 paralleluniverse wrote: Can someone clarify Blizzard "merging" accounts for global play.
If have you a US and Korean character on the same B.net account, after Blizzard's merge do you have do you end up with: 1. The US character, and your Korean character is deleted, i.e. your Korean account no longer has the ladder stats and achievements it used to. Or, 2. The same US character and the same Korean character in 1 SC2 account on your B.net account?
Basically, did Blizzard delete anyone's stats and achievements?
If you have one KR, one US and one EU game on one account, there is no changes whatsoever. If you had them on 3 separate accounts, you'd have 9 games, 3 for each region.
This is the main point people are complaining about.
So given that Blizzard isn't deleting anyone's stats and achievements, what's the big deal?
Actually, what people seem to be complaining about is buying the game 3 times, on 1 B.net account, i.e. a US, EU, KR account on the same B.net account, and then not having access to 9 characters, 3 per region. They're complaining because they want 9 characters for buying the game 3 times.
But Blizzard is now allowing you to separate your 3 SC2 accounts into 3 B.net accounts, so that you do have 9 characters. But then you have to buy HotS 3 times, and that's perfectly fair because it's 3 B.net accounts now.
Most people seems to think that blizzard has deleted their extra games because they can't access them right now. I'm in the belief that you will be able to access your remaining games once hots is released (or soon after).
And no, blizzard isn't allowing people to separate their accounts. They're allowing SOME to do it and refuse others. Costumer service right now doesn't know left from right, and it really depends on who you get in contact with.
I can log in to the NA client on my NA account and EU client on EU account at the same time on two different computers, and choose which region to play on using Global Play. If they are different regions it works fine, however I can't choose the same region on both accounts (so I can't log in to NA client with NA account and set region to EU, and log in to EU account on EU client with region on EU, it boots me out of one).
It will be interesting to see what happens with HotS licenses, and WoL licenses going forwards. If HotS applies to both NA and EU licenses, then you would actually be able to play two copies at the same time as long as they were on different regions, so potentially kind of two copies of WoL+HotS for the price of 2xWoL and 1xHotS as long as you don't want to play both on the same region at the same time (if you have siblings/etc).
Still have to wait for HotS to see what's actually going to happen I guess.
On February 26 2013 18:01 paralleluniverse wrote: Can someone clarify Blizzard "merging" accounts for global play.
If have you a US and Korean character on the same B.net account, after Blizzard's merge do you have do you end up with: 1. The US character, and your Korean character is deleted, i.e. your Korean account no longer has the ladder stats and achievements it used to. Or, 2. The same US character and the same Korean character in 1 SC2 account on your B.net account?
Basically, did Blizzard delete anyone's stats and achievements?
If you have one KR, one US and one EU game on one account, there is no changes whatsoever. If you had them on 3 separate accounts, you'd have 9 games, 3 for each region.
This is the main point people are complaining about.
So given that Blizzard isn't deleting anyone's stats and achievements, what's the big deal?
Actually, what people seem to be complaining about is buying the game 3 times, on 1 B.net account, i.e. a US, EU, KR account on the same B.net account, and then not having access to 9 characters, 3 per region. They're complaining because they want 9 characters for buying the game 3 times.
But Blizzard is now allowing you to separate your 3 SC2 accounts into 3 B.net accounts, so that you do have 9 characters. But then you have to buy HotS 3 times, and that's perfectly fair because it's 3 B.net accounts now.
Most people seems to think that blizzard has deleted their extra games because they can't access them right now. I'm in the belief that you will be able to access your remaining games once hots is released (or soon after).
And no, blizzard isn't allowing people to separate their accounts. They're allowing SOME to do it and refuse others. Costumer service right now doesn't know left from right, and it really depends on who you get in contact with.
Regardless, why would you want to separate?
You'd have to buy HotS multiple times in that case.
On February 26 2013 18:01 paralleluniverse wrote: Can someone clarify what exactly happened with Blizzard "merging" accounts for global play.
If you have a US and Korean character on the same B.net account, after Blizzard's merge do you end up with: 1. The US character, and your Korean character is deleted, i.e. your Korean account no longer has the ladder stats and achievements it used to. Or, 2. The same US character and the same Korean character in 1 SC2 account on your B.net account?
Basically, did Blizzard delete anyone's stats and achievements?
People want to keep what they purchased. They purchased a license that grants them access to the service Blizzard provides. The service applies to the license, not the Battle.net account the license is stored on. They buy a second license, they get twice the service.
Before Global Play the service was access to one region. With GP Blizz changed the service to access to all regions, for each license. People with multiple licenses on one b.net account are only able to use the service provided by one license though.
The other issue people have is that Blizzard wants to merge multiple licenses into one. "They can do the same as before, can access the same regions" is true, but they lose one license they paid for and still should be getting service out of. The license they lose is the same license someone gets if they buy WoL today (still is worth some money).
On February 26 2013 18:01 paralleluniverse wrote: Can someone clarify what exactly happened with Blizzard "merging" accounts for global play.
If you have a US and Korean character on the same B.net account, after Blizzard's merge do you end up with: 1. The US character, and your Korean character is deleted, i.e. your Korean account no longer has the ladder stats and achievements it used to. Or, 2. The same US character and the same Korean character in 1 SC2 account on your B.net account?
Basically, did Blizzard delete anyone's stats and achievements?
People want to keep what they purchased. They purchased a license that grants them access to the service Blizzard provides. The service applies to the license, not the Battle.net account the license is stored on. They buy a second license, they get twice the service.
Before Global Play the service was access to one region. With GP Blizz changed the service to access to all regions, for each license. People with multiple licenses on one b.net account are only able to use the service provided by one license though.
The other issue people have is that Blizzard wants to merge multiple licenses into one. "They can do the same as before, can access the same regions" is true, but they lose one license they paid for and still should be getting service out of. The license they lose is the same license someone gets if they buy WoL today (still is worth some money).
People purchased access to play on multiple regions. They still have that. Nothing has been lost.
I'm only planning on purchasing a single copy of HotS despite having multiple sc2 accounts. I wish my accounts were joined instead of separate because I'm not going to be keeping one of my characters with HotS. People who had multiple regions on one account get to keep their characters for cheaper...
To me this is no different than purchasing something (let's say WoL) for full price ($60) and then getting upset when the price changes ($30). Someone said that it's different because everyone expects the price to eventually drop. I still don't see a difference. You paid more to get something earlier. Maybe some people would not have purchased multiple regions had they known global play would be revealed. That's life.
On February 26 2013 16:15 nucLeaRTV wrote: I bet you have one copy.
No, I had Two copies actually. I just don't see the problem, as I bought the extra copy getting exactly what I paid for, And the fact that everyone is getting all regions 2 years is great either way. I don't see how I can expect to get my money back for a product I bought 2-3 years ago and used regularly for that period, counting both licenses/regions.
On February 26 2013 18:01 paralleluniverse wrote: Can someone clarify what exactly happened with Blizzard "merging" accounts for global play.
If you have a US and Korean character on the same B.net account, after Blizzard's merge do you end up with: 1. The US character, and your Korean character is deleted, i.e. your Korean account no longer has the ladder stats and achievements it used to. Or, 2. The same US character and the same Korean character in 1 SC2 account on your B.net account?
Basically, did Blizzard delete anyone's stats and achievements?
People want to keep what they purchased. They purchased a license that grants them access to the service Blizzard provides. The service applies to the license, not the Battle.net account the license is stored on. They buy a second license, they get twice the service.
Before Global Play the service was access to one region. With GP Blizz changed the service to access to all regions, for each license. People with multiple licenses on one b.net account are only able to use the service provided by one license though.
The other issue people have is that Blizzard wants to merge multiple licenses into one. "They can do the same as before, can access the same regions" is true, but they lose one license they paid for and still should be getting service out of. The license they lose is the same license someone gets if they buy WoL today (still is worth some money).
People purchased access to play on multiple regions. They still have that. Nothing has been lost.
I'm only planning on purchasing a single copy of HotS despite having multiple sc2 accounts. I wish my accounts were joined instead of separate because I'm not going to be keeping one of my characters with HotS. People who had multiple regions on one account get to keep their characters for cheaper...
To me this is no different than purchasing something (let's say WoL) for full price ($60) and then getting upset when the price changes ($30). Someone said that it's different because everyone expects the price to eventually drop. I still don't see a difference. You paid more to get something earlier. Maybe some people would not have purchased multiple regions had they known global play would be revealed. That's life.
People did not buy access to multiple regions, they bought multiple licenses (as described in the EULA) that each grant them access to the service (starcraft2). Blizzard now improved the service (sc2 has global play), what doesn't change the fact that people have 2 licenses.
Of course licenses lose value over time, I don't think anyone complains about that. They still are worth "30"bucks each though. By merging them people lose stuff they bought that still has value.
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Would probably be the time for TL to rally and get the question of multiple games on one account out there.
On February 26 2013 19:01 paralleluniverse wrote: Regardless, why would you want to separate?
You'd have to buy HotS multiple times in that case.
No, you don't have to. You can buy one HotS and have the same number of playable HotS characters as someone with merged licenses, but with more WoL characters. With merged licenses you can't even buy HotS multiple times without paying for more WoL licenses (which you already did once). In no way is there an advantage of having the licenses merged.
Stupidest thing to bitch about imo Same with paying twice the price to adopt a new technology the day of release compared to people waiting a few months to get the same thing for several hundred cheaper If you are impatient you pay more, simple.
Not to mention Global play was meant as a HotS feature that they are releasing early thus they are already doing something nice by allowing you to play on servers you didn't buy an account for
On February 26 2013 18:01 paralleluniverse wrote: Can someone clarify what exactly happened with Blizzard "merging" accounts for global play.
If you have a US and Korean character on the same B.net account, after Blizzard's merge do you end up with: 1. The US character, and your Korean character is deleted, i.e. your Korean account no longer has the ladder stats and achievements it used to. Or, 2. The same US character and the same Korean character in 1 SC2 account on your B.net account?
Basically, did Blizzard delete anyone's stats and achievements?
People want to keep what they purchased. They purchased a license that grants them access to the service Blizzard provides. The service applies to the license, not the Battle.net account the license is stored on. They buy a second license, they get twice the service.
Before Global Play the service was access to one region. With GP Blizz changed the service to access to all regions, for each license. People with multiple licenses on one b.net account are only able to use the service provided by one license though.
The other issue people have is that Blizzard wants to merge multiple licenses into one. "They can do the same as before, can access the same regions" is true, but they lose one license they paid for and still should be getting service out of. The license they lose is the same license someone gets if they buy WoL today (still is worth some money).
People purchased access to play on multiple regions. They still have that. Nothing has been lost.
I'm only planning on purchasing a single copy of HotS despite having multiple sc2 accounts. I wish my accounts were joined instead of separate because I'm not going to be keeping one of my characters with HotS. People who had multiple regions on one account get to keep their characters for cheaper...
To me this is no different than purchasing something (let's say WoL) for full price ($60) and then getting upset when the price changes ($30). Someone said that it's different because everyone expects the price to eventually drop. I still don't see a difference. You paid more to get something earlier. Maybe some people would not have purchased multiple regions had they known global play would be revealed. That's life.
People did not buy access to multiple regions, they bought multiple licenses (as described in the EULA) that each grant them access to the service (starcraft2). Blizzard now improved the service (sc2 has global play), what doesn't change the fact that people have 2 licenses.
Of course licenses lose value over time, I don't think anyone complains about that. They still are worth "30"bucks each though. By merging them people lose stuff they bought that still has value.
Do you have to accept the TOS/EULA for each individual region or just once per account? + Show Spoiler [answer] +
you accept the TOS/EULA on EACH region. You now have four licenses instead of two (before global play) or one (as you claim).
People did not buy access to multiple regions, they bought multiple licenses (as described in the EULA) that each grant them access to the service (starcraft2). Blizzard now improved the service (sc2 has global play), what doesn't change the fact that people have 2 licenses.
Of course licenses lose value over time, I don't think anyone complains about that. They still are worth "30"bucks each though. By merging them people lose stuff they bought that still has value.
You didn't lose additional licences, you just didn't gain as many new ones as everyone else did (everyone else had to sign the EULA on every new server).
Of course that EULA also states Blizzard can, - and they do -, update it as necessary. You still have access to all the licences you purchased (which is a licence to access the software for a region).
On February 26 2013 18:01 paralleluniverse wrote: Can someone clarify what exactly happened with Blizzard "merging" accounts for global play.
If you have a US and Korean character on the same B.net account, after Blizzard's merge do you end up with: 1. The US character, and your Korean character is deleted, i.e. your Korean account no longer has the ladder stats and achievements it used to. Or, 2. The same US character and the same Korean character in 1 SC2 account on your B.net account?
Basically, did Blizzard delete anyone's stats and achievements?
People want to keep what they purchased. They purchased a license that grants them access to the service Blizzard provides. The service applies to the license, not the Battle.net account the license is stored on. They buy a second license, they get twice the service.
Before Global Play the service was access to one region. With GP Blizz changed the service to access to all regions, for each license. People with multiple licenses on one b.net account are only able to use the service provided by one license though.
The other issue people have is that Blizzard wants to merge multiple licenses into one. "They can do the same as before, can access the same regions" is true, but they lose one license they paid for and still should be getting service out of. The license they lose is the same license someone gets if they buy WoL today (still is worth some money).
People purchased access to play on multiple regions. They still have that. Nothing has been lost.
I'm only planning on purchasing a single copy of HotS despite having multiple sc2 accounts. I wish my accounts were joined instead of separate because I'm not going to be keeping one of my characters with HotS. People who had multiple regions on one account get to keep their characters for cheaper...
To me this is no different than purchasing something (let's say WoL) for full price ($60) and then getting upset when the price changes ($30). Someone said that it's different because everyone expects the price to eventually drop. I still don't see a difference. You paid more to get something earlier. Maybe some people would not have purchased multiple regions had they known global play would be revealed. That's life.
People did not buy access to multiple regions, they bought multiple licenses (as described in the EULA) that each grant them access to the service (starcraft2). Blizzard now improved the service (sc2 has global play), what doesn't change the fact that people have 2 licenses.
Of course licenses lose value over time, I don't think anyone complains about that. They still are worth "30"bucks each though. By merging them people lose stuff they bought that still has value.
Do you have to accept the TOS/EULA for each individual region or just once per account? + Show Spoiler [answer] +
you accept the TOS/EULA on EACH region. You now have four licenses instead of two (before global play) or one (as you claim).
I don't know why I have to accept the TOS/EULA for each region. Maybe because in the past you could have one license for each region and Blizzard did not update the login screens. If you buy a license now and register it to a new b.net account you accepted the EULA, even without starting the game. Regarding the 4 licenses:
People did not buy access to multiple regions, they bought multiple licenses (as described in the EULA) that each grant them access to the service (starcraft2). Blizzard now improved the service (sc2 has global play), what doesn't change the fact that people have 2 licenses.
Of course licenses lose value over time, I don't think anyone complains about that. They still are worth "30"bucks each though. By merging them people lose stuff they bought that still has value.
You didn't lose additional licences, you just didn't gain as many new ones as everyone else did (everyone else had to sign the EULA on every new server).
Of course that EULA also states Blizzard can, - and they do -, update it as necessary. You still have access to all the licences you purchased (which is a licence to access the software for a region).
Everyone has multiple licences now, get it?
That is not what support told me. They told me:
my licenses would be merged to a single license, because a battle.net account can only contain a single license. I can not have multiple licenses on one b.net account.
Thats why I can purchase HotS only once, because I only have a single license now, instead of two (or more).
On February 26 2013 19:01 paralleluniverse wrote: Regardless, why would you want to separate?
You'd have to buy HotS multiple times in that case.
No, you don't have to. You can buy one HotS and have the same number of playable HotS characters as someone with merged licenses, but with more WoL characters. With merged licenses you can't even buy HotS multiple times without paying for more WoL licenses (which you already did once). In no way is there an advantage of having the licenses merged.
You misunderstand me. HotS applies to the B.net account.
A) If you got Blizzard to unmerge your 3 SC2 accounts into 3 B.net accounts, you have to buy HotS 3 times.
B) If you do nothing, i.e. keep your multiple SC2 accounts for diferent regions merged on the same account, then you only need to buy HotS once. Because there's only 1 B.net account.
Therefore, complainers who want to do A are stupid (unless they really do want 9 characters on 3 separate B.net accounts, 3 characters per region).
On February 26 2013 19:01 paralleluniverse wrote: Regardless, why would you want to separate?
You'd have to buy HotS multiple times in that case.
No, you don't have to. You can buy one HotS and have the same number of playable HotS characters as someone with merged licenses, but with more WoL characters. With merged licenses you can't even buy HotS multiple times without paying for more WoL licenses (which you already did once). In no way is there an advantage of having the licenses merged.
You misunderstand me. HotS applies to the B.net account.
A) If you got Blizzard to unmerge your 3 SC2 accounts into 3 B.net accounts, you have to buy HotS 3 times.
B) If you do nothing, i.e. keep your multiple SC2 accounts for diferent regions merged on the same account, then you only need to buy HotS once. Because there's only 1 B.net account.
Therefore, complainers who want to do A are stupid (unless they really do want 9 characters on 3 separate B.net accounts, 3 characters per region).
In A) you don't have to buy HotS three times. You can buy it once and play HotS on every region with one HotS account per region.
Lets assume hots costs 40$ and wol 20$. In A) to have three b.net accounts with HotS you need to spend 120$ (3 copies of HotS) In B) to have three b.net accounts with HotS you need to spend 120$ (3 copies of Hots) + 40$ (2 copies of WoL)
On February 26 2013 19:01 paralleluniverse wrote: Regardless, why would you want to separate?
You'd have to buy HotS multiple times in that case.
No, you don't have to. You can buy one HotS and have the same number of playable HotS characters as someone with merged licenses, but with more WoL characters. With merged licenses you can't even buy HotS multiple times without paying for more WoL licenses (which you already did once). In no way is there an advantage of having the licenses merged.
You misunderstand me. HotS applies to the B.net account.
A) If you got Blizzard to unmerge your 3 SC2 accounts into 3 B.net accounts, you have to buy HotS 3 times.
B) If you do nothing, i.e. keep your multiple SC2 accounts for diferent regions merged on the same account, then you only need to buy HotS once. Because there's only 1 B.net account.
Therefore, complainers who want to do A are stupid (unless they really do want 9 characters on 3 separate B.net accounts, 3 characters per region).
I don't understand you.
In case A you do NOT have to buy HotS 3 times. You can buy HotS for only one of your 3 B.net accounts. You will then have 9 WoL characters and 3 HotS characters. This is better than the 3 WoL characters and 3 HotS characters you get in case B.
And obviously the 9 characters are exactly what people are raging about. I only have on account and I haven't participated in this discussion before, but I have no problem understanding what they are upset about.
On February 26 2013 19:01 paralleluniverse wrote: Regardless, why would you want to separate?
You'd have to buy HotS multiple times in that case.
No, you don't have to. You can buy one HotS and have the same number of playable HotS characters as someone with merged licenses, but with more WoL characters. With merged licenses you can't even buy HotS multiple times without paying for more WoL licenses (which you already did once). In no way is there an advantage of having the licenses merged.
You misunderstand me. HotS applies to the B.net account.
A) If you got Blizzard to unmerge your 3 SC2 accounts into 3 B.net accounts, you have to buy HotS 3 times.
B) If you do nothing, i.e. keep your multiple SC2 accounts for diferent regions merged on the same account, then you only need to buy HotS once. Because there's only 1 B.net account.
Therefore, complainers who want to do A are stupid (unless they really do want 9 characters on 3 separate B.net accounts, 3 characters per region).
In A) you don't have to buy HotS three times. You can buy it once and play HotS on every region with one HotS account per region.
Lets assume hots costs 40$ and wol 20$. In A) to have three b.net accounts with HotS you need to spend 120$ (3 copies of HotS) In B) to have three b.net accounts with HotS you need to spend 120$ (3 copies of Hots) + 40$ (2 copies of WoL)
How would it be stupid to prever A) over B)?
You are mistaken. In A there's 3 B.net accounts, so you need to buy HotS 3 times. In B there's 1 B.net account (where you bought WoL 3 times), but you only need to buy HotS once, since HotS applies to the whole B.net account, i.e. 1 HotS can update 3 merged SC2 accounts on the same B.net account.
On February 26 2013 19:01 paralleluniverse wrote: Regardless, why would you want to separate?
You'd have to buy HotS multiple times in that case.
No, you don't have to. You can buy one HotS and have the same number of playable HotS characters as someone with merged licenses, but with more WoL characters. With merged licenses you can't even buy HotS multiple times without paying for more WoL licenses (which you already did once). In no way is there an advantage of having the licenses merged.
You misunderstand me. HotS applies to the B.net account.
A) If you got Blizzard to unmerge your 3 SC2 accounts into 3 B.net accounts, you have to buy HotS 3 times.
B) If you do nothing, i.e. keep your multiple SC2 accounts for diferent regions merged on the same account, then you only need to buy HotS once. Because there's only 1 B.net account.
Therefore, complainers who want to do A are stupid (unless they really do want 9 characters on 3 separate B.net accounts, 3 characters per region).
A) Yes.
B) So basically, it's like someone taking two of your three cars, saying 'now you only have to buy gasoline for one of them!'. If that's not charity, I don't know what is.
I think you're overemphasizing the word 'merge', when, in fact, all but one of the licenses actually just disappear. The fact that I can keep my random achievements honestly doesn't make me happier.
Also, the discussion about "is the disappearance of licenses fair for 1-account people" was carried at a 7 year-old level til now, but someone made a good point, so now we can actually delve deeper, requiring only the understanding of a 4 year-old:
What if someone who bought two WoLs also wanted to buy two HotS (say, he wants two EU accounts). Does he have to buy 3 WoLs and 2 HotS for 2 accounts? It's rhetorical, I'm sure there's tons of people who have nothing to do that are going to find this normal, but still, take it as food for thought, if anything.
On February 26 2013 19:01 paralleluniverse wrote: Regardless, why would you want to separate?
You'd have to buy HotS multiple times in that case.
No, you don't have to. You can buy one HotS and have the same number of playable HotS characters as someone with merged licenses, but with more WoL characters. With merged licenses you can't even buy HotS multiple times without paying for more WoL licenses (which you already did once). In no way is there an advantage of having the licenses merged.
You misunderstand me. HotS applies to the B.net account.
A) If you got Blizzard to unmerge your 3 SC2 accounts into 3 B.net accounts, you have to buy HotS 3 times.
B) If you do nothing, i.e. keep your multiple SC2 accounts for diferent regions merged on the same account, then you only need to buy HotS once. Because there's only 1 B.net account.
Therefore, complainers who want to do A are stupid (unless they really do want 9 characters on 3 separate B.net accounts, 3 characters per region).
A) Yes.
B) So basically, it's like someone taking two of your three cars, saying 'now you only have to buy gasoline for one of them!'. If that's not charity, I don't know what is.
I think you're overemphasizing the word 'merge', when, in fact, all but one of the licenses actually just disappear. The fact that I can keep my random achievements honestly doesn't make me happier.
Also, the discussion about "is the disappearance of licenses fair for 1-account people" was carried at a 7 year-old level til now, but someone made a good point, so now we can actually delve deeper, requiring only the understanding of a 4 year-old:
What if someone who bought two WoLs also wanted to buy two HotS (say, he wants two EU accounts). Does he have to buy 3 WoLs and 2 HotS for 2 accounts? It's rhetorical, I'm sure there's tons of people who have nothing to do that are going to find this normal, but still, take it as food for thought, if anything.
No.
Losing an account isn't losing anything, you still have your characters, achievements, and stats. So what do you lose? You lose the ability to make an additional character per region. But if that's what you want, then unmerge your accounts.
You can't have it both ways. Either: unmerge your accounts so that you have to buy HotS more than once, or merge them so you only need to buy HotS once.
The answer to your rhetorical question is that you need 2 WoL and 2 HotS accounts. So you can't say I bought SC2 2 times, so I should be able to update them all with 1 HotS account, because no one else can do that: If a new player wants 2 updated accounts they would need to buy 2 WoL and 2 HotS.
On February 26 2013 19:01 paralleluniverse wrote: Regardless, why would you want to separate?
You'd have to buy HotS multiple times in that case.
No, you don't have to. You can buy one HotS and have the same number of playable HotS characters as someone with merged licenses, but with more WoL characters. With merged licenses you can't even buy HotS multiple times without paying for more WoL licenses (which you already did once). In no way is there an advantage of having the licenses merged.
You misunderstand me. HotS applies to the B.net account.
A) If you got Blizzard to unmerge your 3 SC2 accounts into 3 B.net accounts, you have to buy HotS 3 times.
B) If you do nothing, i.e. keep your multiple SC2 accounts for diferent regions merged on the same account, then you only need to buy HotS once. Because there's only 1 B.net account.
Therefore, complainers who want to do A are stupid (unless they really do want 9 characters on 3 separate B.net accounts, 3 characters per region).
A) Yes.
B) So basically, it's like someone taking two of your three cars, saying 'now you only have to buy gasoline for one of them!'. If that's not charity, I don't know what is.
I think you're overemphasizing the word 'merge', when, in fact, all but one of the licenses actually just disappear. The fact that I can keep my random achievements honestly doesn't make me happier.
Also, the discussion about "is the disappearance of licenses fair for 1-account people" was carried at a 7 year-old level til now, but someone made a good point, so now we can actually delve deeper, requiring only the understanding of a 4 year-old:
What if someone who bought two WoLs also wanted to buy two HotS (say, he wants two EU accounts). Does he have to buy 3 WoLs and 2 HotS for 2 accounts? It's rhetorical, I'm sure there's tons of people who have nothing to do that are going to find this normal, but still, take it as food for thought, if anything.
No.
Losing an account isn't losing anything, you still have your characters, achievements, and stats. So what do you lose? You lose the ability to make an additional account per region. But if that's what you want, then unmerge your accounts.
You can't have it both ways.Either: unmerge your accounts so that you have to buy HotS more than once, or merge them so you only need to buy HotS once. The answer to your rhetorical question is that you need 2 WoL and 2 HotS accounts. So you can't say I bought SC2 2 times, so I should be able to update them all with 1 HotS account, because no one else can do that: If a new player want 2 updated accounts they would need to buy 2 WoL and 2 HotS.
Ah, I see. Dude, the problem at this point is that people in EU don't actually have the options you're talking about. If we could unmerge our accounts, this topic wouldn't even exist (as far as I and 90% of us are concerned).
On February 26 2013 19:01 paralleluniverse wrote: Regardless, why would you want to separate?
You'd have to buy HotS multiple times in that case.
No, you don't have to. You can buy one HotS and have the same number of playable HotS characters as someone with merged licenses, but with more WoL characters. With merged licenses you can't even buy HotS multiple times without paying for more WoL licenses (which you already did once). In no way is there an advantage of having the licenses merged.
You misunderstand me. HotS applies to the B.net account.
A) If you got Blizzard to unmerge your 3 SC2 accounts into 3 B.net accounts, you have to buy HotS 3 times.
B) If you do nothing, i.e. keep your multiple SC2 accounts for diferent regions merged on the same account, then you only need to buy HotS once. Because there's only 1 B.net account.
Therefore, complainers who want to do A are stupid (unless they really do want 9 characters on 3 separate B.net accounts, 3 characters per region).
A) Yes.
B) So basically, it's like someone taking two of your three cars, saying 'now you only have to buy gasoline for one of them!'. If that's not charity, I don't know what is.
I think you're overemphasizing the word 'merge', when, in fact, all but one of the licenses actually just disappear. The fact that I can keep my random achievements honestly doesn't make me happier.
Also, the discussion about "is the disappearance of licenses fair for 1-account people" was carried at a 7 year-old level til now, but someone made a good point, so now we can actually delve deeper, requiring only the understanding of a 4 year-old:
What if someone who bought two WoLs also wanted to buy two HotS (say, he wants two EU accounts). Does he have to buy 3 WoLs and 2 HotS for 2 accounts? It's rhetorical, I'm sure there's tons of people who have nothing to do that are going to find this normal, but still, take it as food for thought, if anything.
No.
Losing an account isn't losing anything, you still have your characters, achievements, and stats. So what do you lose? You lose the ability to make an additional character per region. But if that's what you want, then unmerge your accounts.
You can't have it both ways. Either: unmerge your accounts so that you have to buy HotS more than once, or merge them so you only need to buy HotS once.
The answer to your rhetorical question is that you need 2 WoL and 2 HotS accounts. So you can't say I bought SC2 2 times, so I should be able to update them all with 1 HotS account, because no one else can do that: If a new player wants 2 updated accounts they would need to buy 2 WoL and 2 HotS.
There is the issue, accounts cannot be merged, or unmerged, I attempted to put my other sc2 account, that is on a separate bnet account, all on my main account. When I contacted Blizz about it, I was told that you can only Merge/un-merge wow accounts.
On February 26 2013 19:01 paralleluniverse wrote: Regardless, why would you want to separate?
You'd have to buy HotS multiple times in that case.
No, you don't have to. You can buy one HotS and have the same number of playable HotS characters as someone with merged licenses, but with more WoL characters. With merged licenses you can't even buy HotS multiple times without paying for more WoL licenses (which you already did once). In no way is there an advantage of having the licenses merged.
You misunderstand me. HotS applies to the B.net account.
A) If you got Blizzard to unmerge your 3 SC2 accounts into 3 B.net accounts, you have to buy HotS 3 times.
B) If you do nothing, i.e. keep your multiple SC2 accounts for diferent regions merged on the same account, then you only need to buy HotS once. Because there's only 1 B.net account.
Therefore, complainers who want to do A are stupid (unless they really do want 9 characters on 3 separate B.net accounts, 3 characters per region).
In A) you don't have to buy HotS three times. You can buy it once and play HotS on every region with one HotS account per region.
Lets assume hots costs 40$ and wol 20$. In A) to have three b.net accounts with HotS you need to spend 120$ (3 copies of HotS) In B) to have three b.net accounts with HotS you need to spend 120$ (3 copies of Hots) + 40$ (2 copies of WoL)
How would it be stupid to prever A) over B)?
You are mistaken. In A there's 3 B.net accounts, so you need to buy HotS 3 times. In B there's 1 B.net account (where you bought WoL 3 times), but you only need to buy HotS once, since HotS applies to the whole B.net account, i.e. 1 HotS can update 3 merged SC2 accounts on the same B.net account.
X B.net accounts = X copies of HotS.
If you buy one copy of HotS you have A) 3 ingame-accounts in WoL per region, and one ingame-account in HotS per region. B) 1 ingame-account in WoL per region, and one ingame-account in HotS per region.
A can buy HotS three times, but once is enough for Global Play (in HotS).
It's better depending on how high you value "characters, achievements, and stats". No offense, but I don't know how many people care about those
At the same time, I'd rather have 1 HotS and 1 WoL vanilla and have the option to upgrade my 2nd license if I want to, rather than only having 1 HotS and my vanilla WoL just disappearing. Again, keeping "characters, achievements, and stats" may have some value for you, it doesn't for me.
@eXePensai - check a few pages back for people who've done it on NA and keep trying with support. I'm pretty sure that in the end, NA GMs end up being helpful and will solve your problem.
On February 26 2013 19:01 paralleluniverse wrote: Regardless, why would you want to separate?
You'd have to buy HotS multiple times in that case.
No, you don't have to. You can buy one HotS and have the same number of playable HotS characters as someone with merged licenses, but with more WoL characters. With merged licenses you can't even buy HotS multiple times without paying for more WoL licenses (which you already did once). In no way is there an advantage of having the licenses merged.
You misunderstand me. HotS applies to the B.net account.
A) If you got Blizzard to unmerge your 3 SC2 accounts into 3 B.net accounts, you have to buy HotS 3 times.
B) If you do nothing, i.e. keep your multiple SC2 accounts for diferent regions merged on the same account, then you only need to buy HotS once. Because there's only 1 B.net account.
Therefore, complainers who want to do A are stupid (unless they really do want 9 characters on 3 separate B.net accounts, 3 characters per region).
In A) you don't have to buy HotS three times. You can buy it once and play HotS on every region with one HotS account per region.
Lets assume hots costs 40$ and wol 20$. In A) to have three b.net accounts with HotS you need to spend 120$ (3 copies of HotS) In B) to have three b.net accounts with HotS you need to spend 120$ (3 copies of Hots) + 40$ (2 copies of WoL)
How would it be stupid to prever A) over B)?
You are mistaken. In A there's 3 B.net accounts, so you need to buy HotS 3 times. In B there's 1 B.net account (where you bought WoL 3 times), but you only need to buy HotS once, since HotS applies to the whole B.net account, i.e. 1 HotS can update 3 merged SC2 accounts on the same B.net account.
X B.net accounts = X copies of HotS.
If you buy one copy of HotS you have A) 3 ingame-accounts in WoL per region, and one ingame-account in HotS per region. B) 1 ingame-account in WoL per region, and one ingame-account in HotS per region.
A can buy HotS three times, but once is enough for Global Play (in HotS).
Yes, that's right: In A, only 1 of the 3 WoL accounts have been updated to HotS. So the other 2 WoL accounts are worthless, because WoL will be dead, just like how original WC3 and SC1 died.
Better to keep them all on 1 B.net account so all 3 characters on the various regions can be updated to HotS and so you don't have to start a new character, without your achievements and stats, friend's list, etc.
On February 26 2013 19:01 paralleluniverse wrote: Regardless, why would you want to separate?
You'd have to buy HotS multiple times in that case.
No, you don't have to. You can buy one HotS and have the same number of playable HotS characters as someone with merged licenses, but with more WoL characters. With merged licenses you can't even buy HotS multiple times without paying for more WoL licenses (which you already did once). In no way is there an advantage of having the licenses merged.
You misunderstand me. HotS applies to the B.net account.
A) If you got Blizzard to unmerge your 3 SC2 accounts into 3 B.net accounts, you have to buy HotS 3 times.
B) If you do nothing, i.e. keep your multiple SC2 accounts for diferent regions merged on the same account, then you only need to buy HotS once. Because there's only 1 B.net account.
Therefore, complainers who want to do A are stupid (unless they really do want 9 characters on 3 separate B.net accounts, 3 characters per region).
In A) you don't have to buy HotS three times. You can buy it once and play HotS on every region with one HotS account per region.
Lets assume hots costs 40$ and wol 20$. In A) to have three b.net accounts with HotS you need to spend 120$ (3 copies of HotS) In B) to have three b.net accounts with HotS you need to spend 120$ (3 copies of Hots) + 40$ (2 copies of WoL)
How would it be stupid to prever A) over B)?
You are mistaken. In A there's 3 B.net accounts, so you need to buy HotS 3 times. In B there's 1 B.net account (where you bought WoL 3 times), but you only need to buy HotS once, since HotS applies to the whole B.net account, i.e. 1 HotS can update 3 merged SC2 accounts on the same B.net account.
X B.net accounts = X copies of HotS.
If you buy one copy of HotS you have A) 3 ingame-accounts in WoL per region, and one ingame-account in HotS per region. B) 1 ingame-account in WoL per region, and one ingame-account in HotS per region.
A can buy HotS three times, but once is enough for Global Play (in HotS).
Yes, that's right: In A, only 1 of the 3 WoL accounts have been updated to HotS. So the other 2 WoL accounts are worthless, because WoL will be dead, just like how original WC3 and SC1 died.
Better to keep them all on 1 B.net account so all 3 characters on the various regions can be updated to HotS and so you don't have to start a new character, without your achievements and stats, friend's list, etc.
Ok, you were talking about ingame rewards and stuff. The problem discussed in this thread is more about losing licenses. "Buy 2 keep 1"
If you have 3 accounts, now you have like 12. 1 for each region. Whereas someone with 1 account has only 4. 1 for each region as well.
You gain the same thing as the person with 1 account. I also doubt many people will even play on many of the different regions because of the latency. So you don't actually lose anything. You still have the advantage of having multiple accounts on at least 1 latency/lag free region.
I do believe you should gain access to your multiple account on the expansion for free once you buy the expansion 1 time. If not, then at a low price(perhaps 15$ or 10$)
It'd be ridiculous to have the expansion several times. Especially since there is still LOTV to come out as well!!
On March 07 2013 15:51 nakedsurfer wrote: If you have 3 accounts, now you have like 12. 1 for each region. Whereas someone with 1 account has only 4. 1 for each region as well.
You gain the same thing as the person with 1 account. I also doubt many people will even play on many of the different regions because of the latency. So you don't actually lose anything. You still have the advantage of having multiple accounts on at least 1 latency/lag free region.
I do believe you should gain access to your multiple account on the expansion for free once you buy the expansion 1 time. If not, then at a low price(perhaps 15$ or 10$)
It'd be ridiculous to have the expansion several times. Especially since there is still LOTV to come out as well!!
I already have the expansion. And it looks like blizz "merged" the different regions I had when implementing global play.
Now my account only has 1 sc2 profile that is opened up to all the regions. I've lost my other three "accounts" it seems.
I thought the hots faq said that people with multiple accounts need only to upgrade once and their regions will be upgraded too.
Looks like yeah, they're upgraded, because of global play, not because of it actually being upgraded. So I'll end up having only 1 hots account as well, with my three others going poof in the air.
I hope I'm wrong though. It would be a shitty move by blizz to "upgrade" the system while disregarding what it'll do to people with multiple regions.
On March 07 2013 16:14 crazysaltcracker wrote: I hope I'm wrong though. It would be a shitty move by blizz to "upgrade" the system while disregarding what it'll do to people with multiple regions.
It's not doing anything to people with multiple regions. Literally. You're upset because it's NOT doing what it does to/for others.
On March 07 2013 17:11 gawk wrote: Just ask the US support to move the licenses to different Battle.net accounts.
@DusTerr People with multiple regions have multiple licenses, of which they lose all but one. (A license is worth about 20$ today in a shop).
Hmm that works? cause last time I tried they told me to contact eu as my bnet is eu registered.
It's a real swizz blizz telling people who bought multiple copies they get hots on all profiles...I mean that was the point of global play for everyone...Now if say I wanted another account id have to buy another WoL lol
On March 07 2013 16:54 Comadevil wrote: Depends where u live. EU support denies such requests
Mine didn't deny it at all.
After a short blizzard support livechat:
Trixnixx at 13:53:27 Hey you at 13:53:28 Hello hello! Trixnixx at 13:53:37 Please give me a moment to read your ticket to see how I can help you you at 13:53:41 No problem ^_^ Trixnixx at 13:58:49 I am back again, sorry for the wait time. Trixnixx at 13:59:01 I cannot move the license from one account to another Trixnixx at 13:59:03 But Trixnixx at 13:59:32 I can remove the one here and then add a new one on the account you mentioned herein, but you will lose the achievements etc. Trixnixx at 13:59:37 Do you wish me to do this? you at 14:00:02 That'd be great, you can take the US one.. that one is just for tournaments anyway so there's not really any achievements on there you at 14:00:08 the EU one contains all the achievements Trixnixx at 14:00:28 Ok, will do, one moment please. you at 14:00:31 Ok!
also:
you at 14:03:52 Does this mean the additional license is unhooked from hte pre-ordered HotS license, that I have to purchase a hots license on the new account as well, in order to play on hots with the second account? Trixnixx at 14:04:20 No, no need to buy another one Trixnixx at 14:04:27 You have it on the new second account.
So said, so done!
My main account has the Deluxe edition pre-ordered, and my alt account the standard version.. but hey I am anything but complaining! Got my license transferred ánd I got a free HotS upgrade. (I contacted EU support)
Some people talk to the support for days without success and you just chat with EU support for some minutes and get your license moved, a free copy of hots. Are you someone important working at Blizzard maybe?
On March 08 2013 03:55 gawk wrote: Some people talk to the support for days without success and you just chat with EU support for some minutes and get your license moved, a free copy of hots. Are you someone important working at Blizzard maybe?
No not at all :-).. either I got lucky or it was my enthousiastic approach that did it..
..or, I don't know. But I'm satisfied and I hope you guys will manage too~!
Well, I messaged them two days ago about it, and still no response... Kinda losing out on this, because I have two battlenet accounts, which each had purchased EU & NA license on them.
I just got off blizz's live chat about this. Twice.
Both times after explaining the situation clearly, both representatives assured me that each license is supposed to have its own profile for global play. If you have 2 licenses, you get to login each region with 2 different profiles.
And that a lot of people are having this problem where it seems as if they have lost licenses.
Both of them told me to wait until the problem is fixed and that I should not unmerge my licenses.
Again, this is after explaining the problem in detail and linking to various forum topics about it.
Well I submitted a ticket and talk to a Game Master for an hour and they refuse to do anything about this. I don't understand how this is legal. To take someone's 2nd game license and remove it, and not allow them to move it to another account or restore it or no offer of some sort of credit.
I just spoke with US Blizzard and they told me that they won't do anything for it because at the time the technology didn't exist(funny how WoW had it....and Brood War...and Warcraft 3..............) and so purchasing the extra region keys at the time was something that they consider "a privilege" because they let us play on those servers even though we didn't live in those regions.
On March 09 2013 18:55 StarBrift wrote: It wasn't even allowed to have several accounts officially. Why would you get a free game for breaking the rules? Even if you paid for it. Ridiculous.
On March 09 2013 18:55 StarBrift wrote: It wasn't even allowed to have several accounts officially. Why would you get a free game for breaking the rules? Even if you paid for it. Ridiculous.
What in the world makes you think its not legal to have multiple accounts? That would give every progamer some serious problems now wouldn't it?
In fact, I'm fairly sure its allowed to play on multiple accounts at the same time if you, for some odd reason, want to. As long as there's no automation (bots, cheats, etc) involved.
Basically, you're fucked, unless you get a GM that doesn't follow policy.
This is a transcript of my recent chat:
Fraedenar: Sure, what's up? you: So, i've got 3 licences on this account you: EU/NA/KR you: Would it be possible to split these up to new emails? Fraedenar: It wouldn't sadly. We consolidate licences (combine games into one Battle.net, as per Battle.net's designed purpose), but we never split them. you: There has been instances where this has been done, though? you: I know of at least three people who had it done through US support Fraedenar: Only by Game Masters who did not follow policy and have no idea what they're doing, which sadly happens in any job. Fraedenar: I take it you don't know why we don't do this? you: Ah, which also sadly means that to get your moneys worth, people ought to spam tickets until they get said GMs? Fraedenar: That would be abuse of our support service, which will introduce a new problem for you long before you find someone who is willing to carry out a request that our service can't carry out. you: Yeah, I get that - but please tell me why you don't perform this service, because to all of the people who did buy extra licences, it might help ease the pain of having thrown 25-50 euro in the bin Fraedenar: It makes account trading too easy. We strictly forbid Account Trading and wouldn't assist with any request that makes that straightforward, such as splitting games off from each other so they can be easily sold. That in short is why we do not do this, ever. you: Okay, fair enough. In that case, do you offer refunds for people who have had their licences voided? Fraedenar: Our refund policy is 3 days. After that, we can't refund orders unfortunately. you: Ah. So you can understand the frustration then? Fraedenar: I can understand it but I'm also an employee of Blizzard Entertainment, so I have to enforce the company's policy. you: I get that, and I'm not mad at you. you: But this might at least relieve some pressure on you as I'll be forwarding this information to the rest of people in the same position you: Thanks for your assistance.
Attempt to sell, sublicense, rent, lease, grant a security interest in or otherwise transfer any copy of the Game or your rights to the Game to any other party in any way not expressly authorized herein
THE GAME IS LICENSED, NOT SOLD. NEITHER THE GAME NOR THE LICENSE GRANTED IN SECTION 1 MAY BE SUBLICENSED OR TRANSFERRED TO ANY OTHER PERSON OR ENTITY, AND ANY ATTEMPT TO DO SO SHALL BE NULL AND VOID. If a court of competent jurisdiction finds the foregoing sentence to be unenforceable, you agree that you will call Blizzard Customer Service at 1-800-592-5499 to arrange for the transfer of your rights under this Agreement to another person with a valid Battle.net account; provided, however, that Blizzard may charge a processing/handling fee to facilitate the transfer, issue a unique key to the transferee, and remove the preexisting key from the Battle.net account registered to you.
a. Term. This Agreement is effective upon adding the Game license to a Battle.net account, and shall remain in effect for a reasonable period of time. In the event that Blizzard chooses to cease providing the Service, or license to a third party the right to provide the Service, Blizzard shall provide you with no less than three (3) months prior notice. Neither the Service nor Blizzard 's agreement to provide access to the Service shall be considered a rental or lease of time on, or capacity of, Blizzard 's servers or other technology.
By this Blizzard are effectively acting against the EULA. But they can because of:
Blizzard may terminate this Agreement at any time for any reason or no reason
1. We aren't trying to sell or transfer to a different individual. 2. There are means to ask for proof of identity (had to disable parental tools >.< that I set up for me) 3. The EULA doesn't say the individual can't transfer their license to themselves. 4. It is a paid product for which no communication about license mergers has taken place and no recourse for suitable compensation has been provided as everyone gets all regions with HOTS on a single license purchase. 5. Other people who made different decisions have the benefit of not having to buy WoL if they wish to make a second HOTS account. For whatever reason people should have the choice to have as many game copies as they wish.
"I can confirm you have not lost the account, both regions are still accessible and this is just the nature of Global Play. When you change region on the client, it will change to your respective game.
We cannot split these liceses or grant you another free license"
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