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IMABUNNEH
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom1062 Posts
February 10 2013 23:10 GMT
#261
You chose to buy the game a second time. It's nothing to do with Blizzard. If the $60 or whatever mattered so much that you think you deserve something for free, then you probably shouldn't have spent it in the first place.
"I think...now? No rival. Me world champion. Yeah. None rival." - oGsMC
Conti
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2516 Posts
February 10 2013 23:19 GMT
#262
It's so fucking funny how people think it's actually fair and just to force people to buy multiple versions of the same game to play on different regions in the first place. That they don't even understand what the problem is (hint: it's not about wanting the money back) is just the icing on the cake.
shockaslim
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1104 Posts
February 10 2013 23:20 GMT
#263
On February 11 2013 08:10 IMABUNNEH wrote:
You chose to buy the game a second time. It's nothing to do with Blizzard. If the $60 or whatever mattered so much that you think you deserve something for free, then you probably shouldn't have spent it in the first place.


Imagine if you bought two Playstations, one that could only read Japanese games, and another that could only read North American games. Then Sony comes along releasing a patch allowing all Playstations to read games from all regions. Now, imagine if Sony came to your house and took a Playstation away from you because they felt you didn't need it. Would you be happy with them taking away a Playstation you paid for?
Dirty Deeds...DONE DIRT CHEAP!!!
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
February 10 2013 23:43 GMT
#264
On February 11 2013 08:20 shockaslim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2013 08:10 IMABUNNEH wrote:
You chose to buy the game a second time. It's nothing to do with Blizzard. If the $60 or whatever mattered so much that you think you deserve something for free, then you probably shouldn't have spent it in the first place.


Imagine if you bought two Playstations, one that could only read Japanese games, and another that could only read North American games. Then Sony comes along releasing a patch allowing all Playstations to read games from all regions. Now, imagine if Sony came to your house and took a Playstation away from you because they felt you didn't need it. Would you be happy with them taking away a Playstation you paid for?


More like they just merged your two PS into one. Doesn't matter if you only have 1 TV. Your complaint is that peaople with ONLY American games are now allowed to play Japanese instead of buying two systems.

You're not losing anything. Just like people who waited 2 years to buy SC2 can do it for now for $30 instead of $60. (By your logic Blizzard is taking $30 away from everyone who purchased at full price.)

The only "fair" thing here would be to NOT introduce global play at all.

At least this way you'll get HotS on all servers with only spending money once (but you should probably wait 2 years so you don't feel ripped off when the price drops).

Conti
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2516 Posts
February 10 2013 23:45 GMT
#265
On February 11 2013 08:43 y0su wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2013 08:20 shockaslim wrote:
On February 11 2013 08:10 IMABUNNEH wrote:
You chose to buy the game a second time. It's nothing to do with Blizzard. If the $60 or whatever mattered so much that you think you deserve something for free, then you probably shouldn't have spent it in the first place.


Imagine if you bought two Playstations, one that could only read Japanese games, and another that could only read North American games. Then Sony comes along releasing a patch allowing all Playstations to read games from all regions. Now, imagine if Sony came to your house and took a Playstation away from you because they felt you didn't need it. Would you be happy with them taking away a Playstation you paid for?


More like they just merged your two PS into one. Doesn't matter if you only have 1 TV. Your complaint is that peaople with ONLY American games are now allowed to play Japanese instead of buying two systems.

You're not losing anything. Just like people who waited 2 years to buy SC2 can do it for now for $30 instead of $60. (By your logic Blizzard is taking $30 away from everyone who purchased at full price.)

The only "fair" thing here would be to NOT introduce global play at all.

At least this way you'll get HotS on all servers with only spending money once (but you should probably wait 2 years so you don't feel ripped off when the price drops).


Person A buys 1 extra WoL copy. He registers it on his original battle.net account. He now has 2 WoL copies.

Person B buys 1 extra WoL copy. He registers it on a new battle.net account. He now has 2 WoL copies.

Global play comes along.

Person A has paid for 2 WoL copies and now has 1 WoL copy per region.

Person B has paid for 2 WoL copies and now has 2 WoL copies per region.

See what's wrong here?
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
February 11 2013 00:12 GMT
#266
On February 11 2013 08:45 Conti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2013 08:43 y0su wrote:
On February 11 2013 08:20 shockaslim wrote:
On February 11 2013 08:10 IMABUNNEH wrote:
You chose to buy the game a second time. It's nothing to do with Blizzard. If the $60 or whatever mattered so much that you think you deserve something for free, then you probably shouldn't have spent it in the first place.


Imagine if you bought two Playstations, one that could only read Japanese games, and another that could only read North American games. Then Sony comes along releasing a patch allowing all Playstations to read games from all regions. Now, imagine if Sony came to your house and took a Playstation away from you because they felt you didn't need it. Would you be happy with them taking away a Playstation you paid for?


More like they just merged your two PS into one. Doesn't matter if you only have 1 TV. Your complaint is that peaople with ONLY American games are now allowed to play Japanese instead of buying two systems.

You're not losing anything. Just like people who waited 2 years to buy SC2 can do it for now for $30 instead of $60. (By your logic Blizzard is taking $30 away from everyone who purchased at full price.)

The only "fair" thing here would be to NOT introduce global play at all.

At least this way you'll get HotS on all servers with only spending money once (but you should probably wait 2 years so you don't feel ripped off when the price drops).


Person A buys 1 extra WoL copy. He registers it on his original battle.net account. He now has 2 WoL copies.

Person B buys 1 extra WoL copy. He registers it on a new battle.net account. He now has 2 WoL copies.

Global play comes along.

Person A has paid for 2 WoL copies and now has 1 WoL copy per region.

Person B has paid for 2 WoL copies and now has 2 WoL copies per region.

See what's wrong here?

You still haven't made it any different than complaining that everyone who paid full price should get something back because the current price (on amazon) is $30.

If person B purchased 2 copies to have a smurf, he still does.

If Person A purchased the second copy to play on a second region... He still can.

Both players can still do what they set out to do.

Now, if person B purchased 2 copies to play on separate regions, on separate accounts and now suddenly has 2 accounts per region, that's just a bonus... As it is for everyone who only purchased a single account and can now play on multiple regions.


Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 11 2013 00:16 GMT
#267
How is this tread still going? How many versions of "Person A bought 23 copies of SC2. Person B: Bought 47 copies of SC2" can people talk about? Or do we live to rehash the same info over and over?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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emythrel
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom2599 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-11 00:24:11
February 11 2013 00:20 GMT
#268
On February 11 2013 09:12 y0su wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2013 08:45 Conti wrote:
On February 11 2013 08:43 y0su wrote:
On February 11 2013 08:20 shockaslim wrote:
On February 11 2013 08:10 IMABUNNEH wrote:
You chose to buy the game a second time. It's nothing to do with Blizzard. If the $60 or whatever mattered so much that you think you deserve something for free, then you probably shouldn't have spent it in the first place.


Imagine if you bought two Playstations, one that could only read Japanese games, and another that could only read North American games. Then Sony comes along releasing a patch allowing all Playstations to read games from all regions. Now, imagine if Sony came to your house and took a Playstation away from you because they felt you didn't need it. Would you be happy with them taking away a Playstation you paid for?


More like they just merged your two PS into one. Doesn't matter if you only have 1 TV. Your complaint is that peaople with ONLY American games are now allowed to play Japanese instead of buying two systems.

You're not losing anything. Just like people who waited 2 years to buy SC2 can do it for now for $30 instead of $60. (By your logic Blizzard is taking $30 away from everyone who purchased at full price.)

The only "fair" thing here would be to NOT introduce global play at all.

At least this way you'll get HotS on all servers with only spending money once (but you should probably wait 2 years so you don't feel ripped off when the price drops).


Person A buys 1 extra WoL copy. He registers it on his original battle.net account. He now has 2 WoL copies.

Person B buys 1 extra WoL copy. He registers it on a new battle.net account. He now has 2 WoL copies.

Global play comes along.

Person A has paid for 2 WoL copies and now has 1 WoL copy per region.

Person B has paid for 2 WoL copies and now has 2 WoL copies per region.

See what's wrong here?

You still haven't made it any different than complaining that everyone who paid full price should get something back because the current price (on amazon) is $30.

If person B purchased 2 copies to have a smurf, he still does.

If Person A purchased the second copy to play on a second region... He still can.

Both players can still do what they set out to do.

Now, if person B purchased 2 copies to play on separate regions, on separate accounts and now suddenly has 2 accounts per region, that's just a bonus... As it is for everyone who only purchased a single account and can now play on multiple regions.




that is what is known as a false equivalency. are you a republican by any chance? ;p

people who REGISTERED, not bought as you said (you dont buy a bnet account, they are free), on 2 separate accounts have to buy a second HotS copy, as it should be.

Everyone knows that if you wait long enough, the price will come down, thats called economics.... what people don't expect is to buy 2 copies of anything then have one taken away from them because they kept them both in the same place instead of keeping them separate.

I paid for 3 copies of WoL, you paid for 1. How is it fair that I now get the same amount of copies of HotS as you do, when I paid for 3 times as many WoL copies as you? I should, as I paid for 3 copies of WoL, have the option to also purchase 3 copies of HotS to go with them. None of us are asking to be able to pay for HotS once an have access on all our accounts, we are however pretty pissed off that we don't have the option to upgrade them all, which would make blizz more money and not make us out of pocket.
When there is nothing left to lose but your dignity, it is already gone.
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-11 00:39:36
February 11 2013 00:38 GMT
#269
On February 11 2013 09:20 emythrel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2013 09:12 y0su wrote:
On February 11 2013 08:45 Conti wrote:
On February 11 2013 08:43 y0su wrote:
On February 11 2013 08:20 shockaslim wrote:
On February 11 2013 08:10 IMABUNNEH wrote:
You chose to buy the game a second time. It's nothing to do with Blizzard. If the $60 or whatever mattered so much that you think you deserve something for free, then you probably shouldn't have spent it in the first place.


Imagine if you bought two Playstations, one that could only read Japanese games, and another that could only read North American games. Then Sony comes along releasing a patch allowing all Playstations to read games from all regions. Now, imagine if Sony came to your house and took a Playstation away from you because they felt you didn't need it. Would you be happy with them taking away a Playstation you paid for?


More like they just merged your two PS into one. Doesn't matter if you only have 1 TV. Your complaint is that peaople with ONLY American games are now allowed to play Japanese instead of buying two systems.

You're not losing anything. Just like people who waited 2 years to buy SC2 can do it for now for $30 instead of $60. (By your logic Blizzard is taking $30 away from everyone who purchased at full price.)

The only "fair" thing here would be to NOT introduce global play at all.

At least this way you'll get HotS on all servers with only spending money once (but you should probably wait 2 years so you don't feel ripped off when the price drops).


Person A buys 1 extra WoL copy. He registers it on his original battle.net account. He now has 2 WoL copies.

Person B buys 1 extra WoL copy. He registers it on a new battle.net account. He now has 2 WoL copies.

Global play comes along.

Person A has paid for 2 WoL copies and now has 1 WoL copy per region.

Person B has paid for 2 WoL copies and now has 2 WoL copies per region.

See what's wrong here?

You still haven't made it any different than complaining that everyone who paid full price should get something back because the current price (on amazon) is $30.

If person B purchased 2 copies to have a smurf, he still does.

If Person A purchased the second copy to play on a second region... He still can.

Both players can still do what they set out to do.

Now, if person B purchased 2 copies to play on separate regions, on separate accounts and now suddenly has 2 accounts per region, that's just a bonus... As it is for everyone who only purchased a single account and can now play on multiple regions.




that is what is known as a false equivalency. are you a republican by any chance? ;p
I suppose that means I'd be able to afford multiple copies? (Or does that mean something different in UK?)

people who REGISTERED, not bought as you said (you dont buy a bnet account, they are free), on 2 separate accounts have to buy a second HotS copy, as it should be.

I made two posts. In both I say "purchase" and "copy".

Everyone knows that if you wait long enough, the price will come down, thats called economics.... what people don't expect is to buy 2 copies of anything then have one taken away from them because they kept them both in the same place instead of keeping them separate.
I have yet to hear about anyone actually LOSING anything. Or have people lost access to previous accounts and stats? (What was it you said about false equivalence?)

I paid for 3 copies of WoL, you paid for 1. How is it fair that I now get the same amount of copies of HotS as you do, when I paid for 3 times as many WoL copies as you? I should, as I paid for 3 copies of WoL, have the option to also purchase 3 copies of HotS to go with them. None of us are asking to be able to pay for HotS once an have access on all our accounts, we are however pretty pissed off that we don't have the option to upgrade them all, which would make blizz more money and not make us out of pocket.
I have to be honest, that's the kind of comment that brings to mind a certain political party... "They're taking away our freedom of upgrading to HotS individually."

edit: typo
Conti
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2516 Posts
February 11 2013 00:48 GMT
#270
On February 11 2013 09:38 y0su wrote:
I have yet to hear about anyone actually LOSING anything. Or have people lost access to previous accounts and stats? (What was it you said about false equivalence?)

And you have yet to acknowledge that this is so far besides the point that it's not even funny any more.
shockaslim
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1104 Posts
February 11 2013 01:18 GMT
#271
On February 11 2013 08:43 y0su wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2013 08:20 shockaslim wrote:
On February 11 2013 08:10 IMABUNNEH wrote:
You chose to buy the game a second time. It's nothing to do with Blizzard. If the $60 or whatever mattered so much that you think you deserve something for free, then you probably shouldn't have spent it in the first place.


Imagine if you bought two Playstations, one that could only read Japanese games, and another that could only read North American games. Then Sony comes along releasing a patch allowing all Playstations to read games from all regions. Now, imagine if Sony came to your house and took a Playstation away from you because they felt you didn't need it. Would you be happy with them taking away a Playstation you paid for?


More like they just merged your two PS into one. Doesn't matter if you only have 1 TV. Your complaint is that peaople with ONLY American games are now allowed to play Japanese instead of buying two systems.

You're not losing anything. Just like people who waited 2 years to buy SC2 can do it for now for $30 instead of $60. (By your logic Blizzard is taking $30 away from everyone who purchased at full price.)

The only "fair" thing here would be to NOT introduce global play at all.

At least this way you'll get HotS on all servers with only spending money once (but you should probably wait 2 years so you don't feel ripped off when the price drops).



If you don't get it after that very simple to understand analogy then I don't know what I can do for you sir.
Dirty Deeds...DONE DIRT CHEAP!!!
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-11 01:30:41
February 11 2013 01:19 GMT
#272
On February 11 2013 09:48 Conti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2013 09:38 y0su wrote:
I have yet to hear about anyone actually LOSING anything. Or have people lost access to previous accounts and stats? (What was it you said about false equivalence?)

And you have yet to acknowledge that this is so far besides the point that it's not even funny any more.

Actually that was the exact point I was responding to.

edit:

On February 11 2013 10:18 shockaslim wrote:
If you don't get it after that very simple to understand analogy then I don't know what I can do for you sir.


I understand your analogy. I just don't feel it accurately describes the situation. I get that people are upset (and why). This happens any/every time something paid for eventually becomes free (or much cheaper). + Show Spoiler +
The main difference here is that people are more upset because they could have retained value by having multiple accounts.


edit 2: Back to the PS analogy: The correct analogy would be you purchased some addon (from Sony) for the American PS so it could play Japanese games... Your friend purchased a second (Japanese) PS. Sony eventually releases a patch that all PS can play all region games. You are left with a single PS able to play on all regions and your friend now has two fully capable PS. Sony didn't take anything away from you.
shockaslim
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1104 Posts
February 11 2013 01:26 GMT
#273
On February 11 2013 09:38 y0su wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2013 09:20 emythrel wrote:
On February 11 2013 09:12 y0su wrote:
On February 11 2013 08:45 Conti wrote:
On February 11 2013 08:43 y0su wrote:
On February 11 2013 08:20 shockaslim wrote:
On February 11 2013 08:10 IMABUNNEH wrote:
You chose to buy the game a second time. It's nothing to do with Blizzard. If the $60 or whatever mattered so much that you think you deserve something for free, then you probably shouldn't have spent it in the first place.


Imagine if you bought two Playstations, one that could only read Japanese games, and another that could only read North American games. Then Sony comes along releasing a patch allowing all Playstations to read games from all regions. Now, imagine if Sony came to your house and took a Playstation away from you because they felt you didn't need it. Would you be happy with them taking away a Playstation you paid for?


More like they just merged your two PS into one. Doesn't matter if you only have 1 TV. Your complaint is that peaople with ONLY American games are now allowed to play Japanese instead of buying two systems.

You're not losing anything. Just like people who waited 2 years to buy SC2 can do it for now for $30 instead of $60. (By your logic Blizzard is taking $30 away from everyone who purchased at full price.)

The only "fair" thing here would be to NOT introduce global play at all.

At least this way you'll get HotS on all servers with only spending money once (but you should probably wait 2 years so you don't feel ripped off when the price drops).


Person A buys 1 extra WoL copy. He registers it on his original battle.net account. He now has 2 WoL copies.

Person B buys 1 extra WoL copy. He registers it on a new battle.net account. He now has 2 WoL copies.

Global play comes along.

Person A has paid for 2 WoL copies and now has 1 WoL copy per region.

Person B has paid for 2 WoL copies and now has 2 WoL copies per region.

See what's wrong here?

You still haven't made it any different than complaining that everyone who paid full price should get something back because the current price (on amazon) is $30.

If person B purchased 2 copies to have a smurf, he still does.

If Person A purchased the second copy to play on a second region... He still can.

Both players can still do what they set out to do.

Now, if person B purchased 2 copies to play on separate regions, on separate accounts and now suddenly has 2 accounts per region, that's just a bonus... As it is for everyone who only purchased a single account and can now play on multiple regions.




that is what is known as a false equivalency. are you a republican by any chance? ;p
I suppose that means I'd be able to afford multiple copies? (Or does that mean something different in UK?)
Show nested quote +

people who REGISTERED, not bought as you said (you dont buy a bnet account, they are free), on 2 separate accounts have to buy a second HotS copy, as it should be.

I made two posts. In both I say "purchase" and "copy".
Show nested quote +

Everyone knows that if you wait long enough, the price will come down, thats called economics.... what people don't expect is to buy 2 copies of anything then have one taken away from them because they kept them both in the same place instead of keeping them separate.
I have yet to hear about anyone actually LOSING anything. Or have people lost access to previous accounts and stats? (What was it you said about false equivalence?)
Show nested quote +

I paid for 3 copies of WoL, you paid for 1. How is it fair that I now get the same amount of copies of HotS as you do, when I paid for 3 times as many WoL copies as you? I should, as I paid for 3 copies of WoL, have the option to also purchase 3 copies of HotS to go with them. None of us are asking to be able to pay for HotS once an have access on all our accounts, we are however pretty pissed off that we don't have the option to upgrade them all, which would make blizz more money and not make us out of pocket.
I have to be honest, that's the kind of comment that brings to mind a certain political party... "They're taking away our freedom of upgrading to HotS individually."

edit: typo


People are LOSING a paid License of the game. So basically what they are doing is saying "if you bought two licenses on the same account then one of them will be void".
Dirty Deeds...DONE DIRT CHEAP!!!
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
February 11 2013 01:32 GMT
#274
On February 11 2013 10:26 shockaslim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2013 09:38 y0su wrote:
On February 11 2013 09:20 emythrel wrote:
On February 11 2013 09:12 y0su wrote:
On February 11 2013 08:45 Conti wrote:
On February 11 2013 08:43 y0su wrote:
On February 11 2013 08:20 shockaslim wrote:
On February 11 2013 08:10 IMABUNNEH wrote:
You chose to buy the game a second time. It's nothing to do with Blizzard. If the $60 or whatever mattered so much that you think you deserve something for free, then you probably shouldn't have spent it in the first place.


Imagine if you bought two Playstations, one that could only read Japanese games, and another that could only read North American games. Then Sony comes along releasing a patch allowing all Playstations to read games from all regions. Now, imagine if Sony came to your house and took a Playstation away from you because they felt you didn't need it. Would you be happy with them taking away a Playstation you paid for?


More like they just merged your two PS into one. Doesn't matter if you only have 1 TV. Your complaint is that peaople with ONLY American games are now allowed to play Japanese instead of buying two systems.

You're not losing anything. Just like people who waited 2 years to buy SC2 can do it for now for $30 instead of $60. (By your logic Blizzard is taking $30 away from everyone who purchased at full price.)

The only "fair" thing here would be to NOT introduce global play at all.

At least this way you'll get HotS on all servers with only spending money once (but you should probably wait 2 years so you don't feel ripped off when the price drops).


Person A buys 1 extra WoL copy. He registers it on his original battle.net account. He now has 2 WoL copies.

Person B buys 1 extra WoL copy. He registers it on a new battle.net account. He now has 2 WoL copies.

Global play comes along.

Person A has paid for 2 WoL copies and now has 1 WoL copy per region.

Person B has paid for 2 WoL copies and now has 2 WoL copies per region.

See what's wrong here?

You still haven't made it any different than complaining that everyone who paid full price should get something back because the current price (on amazon) is $30.

If person B purchased 2 copies to have a smurf, he still does.

If Person A purchased the second copy to play on a second region... He still can.

Both players can still do what they set out to do.

Now, if person B purchased 2 copies to play on separate regions, on separate accounts and now suddenly has 2 accounts per region, that's just a bonus... As it is for everyone who only purchased a single account and can now play on multiple regions.




that is what is known as a false equivalency. are you a republican by any chance? ;p
I suppose that means I'd be able to afford multiple copies? (Or does that mean something different in UK?)

people who REGISTERED, not bought as you said (you dont buy a bnet account, they are free), on 2 separate accounts have to buy a second HotS copy, as it should be.

I made two posts. In both I say "purchase" and "copy".

Everyone knows that if you wait long enough, the price will come down, thats called economics.... what people don't expect is to buy 2 copies of anything then have one taken away from them because they kept them both in the same place instead of keeping them separate.
I have yet to hear about anyone actually LOSING anything. Or have people lost access to previous accounts and stats? (What was it you said about false equivalence?)

I paid for 3 copies of WoL, you paid for 1. How is it fair that I now get the same amount of copies of HotS as you do, when I paid for 3 times as many WoL copies as you? I should, as I paid for 3 copies of WoL, have the option to also purchase 3 copies of HotS to go with them. None of us are asking to be able to pay for HotS once an have access on all our accounts, we are however pretty pissed off that we don't have the option to upgrade them all, which would make blizz more money and not make us out of pocket.
I have to be honest, that's the kind of comment that brings to mind a certain political party... "They're taking away our freedom of upgrading to HotS individually."

edit: typo


People are LOSING a paid License of the game. So basically what they are doing is saying "if you bought two licenses on the same account then one of them will be void".

So they are no longer able to play on the account/region they paid for? (or the statistics / information relating to the account are gone?)
igay
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Australia1178 Posts
February 11 2013 01:53 GMT
#275
Yeah and they should give us a million bucks right guys
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Sufinsil
Profile Joined January 2011
United States760 Posts
February 11 2013 02:04 GMT
#276
Make it like WoW.

Multiple License on one account. Both can be online at the same time.


HotS beta works this exact way. (your SC-1 license does not have the beta access, but SC-2 does)

Hopefully it comes live with HotS.
CatNzHat
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1599 Posts
February 11 2013 02:20 GMT
#277
On February 11 2013 08:43 y0su wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2013 08:20 shockaslim wrote:
On February 11 2013 08:10 IMABUNNEH wrote:
You chose to buy the game a second time. It's nothing to do with Blizzard. If the $60 or whatever mattered so much that you think you deserve something for free, then you probably shouldn't have spent it in the first place.


Imagine if you bought two Playstations, one that could only read Japanese games, and another that could only read North American games. Then Sony comes along releasing a patch allowing all Playstations to read games from all regions. Now, imagine if Sony came to your house and took a Playstation away from you because they felt you didn't need it. Would you be happy with them taking away a Playstation you paid for?


More like they just merged your two PS into one. Doesn't matter if you only have 1 TV. Your complaint is that peaople with ONLY American games are now allowed to play Japanese instead of buying two systems.

You're not losing anything. Just like people who waited 2 years to buy SC2 can do it for now for $30 instead of $60. (By your logic Blizzard is taking $30 away from everyone who purchased at full price.)

The only "fair" thing here would be to NOT introduce global play at all.

At least this way you'll get HotS on all servers with only spending money once (but you should probably wait 2 years so you don't feel ripped off when the price drops).



The fair thing to do would be to give the account holders the option to split the license up onto multiple accounts, so I could play on 1 account and have my bro play on the other, like I could do before with my single account before they introduced global play...
Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
February 11 2013 02:36 GMT
#278
This is still here O.o

Don't look at it as blizzard taking away what was yours or something. Why don't you consider it "You paid sixty bucks to have global play 2 years before anybody else?"

Thinking you deserve money back or whatever is silly. You paid for a service, and Blizzard provided that service. Now, they're providing it for free.

If you consider SC2 price dropping as economics, then consider this economics. Providing Global Play in Blizzard's eyes will boost sales more than requiring people to buy multiple copies. Whether or not that is true, it is a solid line of logic that you can follow. Just like decreasing the price of SC2 WoL to 30$ or however much it is will boost sales more than requiring people to pay 120$ to buy into HotS, and later 180$ for LOTV. If you want to bring in economics, then every single decision that Blizzard is making is bound by economics and a thought of cost/benefit.

@Emythrel: You sound like you have an entitlement issue. Are you a democrat by any chance? ;p

Now: here is your issue. How does blizzard prevent a family, possibly even one with family members in Europe and America (buying 2 copies to play the game in each region) from scamming Blizzard by only buying one HOTS account, by saying that "only one person bought it just so he could have global play." You can't prevent that. And if somebody bought multiple SC2 copies and has different battle.net accounts, are they left out to dry because they didn't bind them to the same battle.net email? (I don't actually know how it works, but the impression I got was that you could bind an SC2 account from EU and from NA to the same B.net ID) In that case, why should they not get a free HOTS copy but you should, even though you spent the same amount of money? Because they weren't as "clever" in attaching it to one account? And if they SHOULD, how does blizzard determine if it really is one person with two accounts, and not two people with two accounts? People use fake battle.net names all the time, and you can change your address.

It ultimately comes down to two things... one it's economics. And 2: consider it a feature. If you spend 1500$ on a computer that can run your 2 monitors in 2005, but it only costs 500$ to do that in 2013, (actually less), should you be reimbursed? Not really. You paid to gain whatever feature/advantage you had before it was cheap/the norm.
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Champi
Profile Joined March 2010
1422 Posts
February 11 2013 03:27 GMT
#279
uhh... no. blizzard don't owe anyone who bought the game more than once anything at all

it was your decision to buy the game again just because you decided you wern't happy with your name. Yeah sure it was a change that should have been implemented. But if you're so adamant on changing something so arbitrary that you're going to spend $60-$80 then thats your own dumb decision.

The GSL would have had to buy probably close to, or maybe more than 100 copies of WOL for all the accounts for their players and the teams accounts for broadcasted GSL and GSTL matches. Do you really think blizzard is going to refund them for choosing to do that? All the players had their own accounts, it was GSLs decision to up their production quality by buying new accounts.

At the end of the day, you bought the same game more than once, no one made you do it, it was an impulsive decision you made over something arbitrary and kinda pointless. So live with your mistake.
shockaslim
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1104 Posts
February 11 2013 03:37 GMT
#280
On February 11 2013 10:32 y0su wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2013 10:26 shockaslim wrote:
On February 11 2013 09:38 y0su wrote:
On February 11 2013 09:20 emythrel wrote:
On February 11 2013 09:12 y0su wrote:
On February 11 2013 08:45 Conti wrote:
On February 11 2013 08:43 y0su wrote:
On February 11 2013 08:20 shockaslim wrote:
On February 11 2013 08:10 IMABUNNEH wrote:
You chose to buy the game a second time. It's nothing to do with Blizzard. If the $60 or whatever mattered so much that you think you deserve something for free, then you probably shouldn't have spent it in the first place.


Imagine if you bought two Playstations, one that could only read Japanese games, and another that could only read North American games. Then Sony comes along releasing a patch allowing all Playstations to read games from all regions. Now, imagine if Sony came to your house and took a Playstation away from you because they felt you didn't need it. Would you be happy with them taking away a Playstation you paid for?


More like they just merged your two PS into one. Doesn't matter if you only have 1 TV. Your complaint is that peaople with ONLY American games are now allowed to play Japanese instead of buying two systems.

You're not losing anything. Just like people who waited 2 years to buy SC2 can do it for now for $30 instead of $60. (By your logic Blizzard is taking $30 away from everyone who purchased at full price.)

The only "fair" thing here would be to NOT introduce global play at all.

At least this way you'll get HotS on all servers with only spending money once (but you should probably wait 2 years so you don't feel ripped off when the price drops).


Person A buys 1 extra WoL copy. He registers it on his original battle.net account. He now has 2 WoL copies.

Person B buys 1 extra WoL copy. He registers it on a new battle.net account. He now has 2 WoL copies.

Global play comes along.

Person A has paid for 2 WoL copies and now has 1 WoL copy per region.

Person B has paid for 2 WoL copies and now has 2 WoL copies per region.

See what's wrong here?

You still haven't made it any different than complaining that everyone who paid full price should get something back because the current price (on amazon) is $30.

If person B purchased 2 copies to have a smurf, he still does.

If Person A purchased the second copy to play on a second region... He still can.

Both players can still do what they set out to do.

Now, if person B purchased 2 copies to play on separate regions, on separate accounts and now suddenly has 2 accounts per region, that's just a bonus... As it is for everyone who only purchased a single account and can now play on multiple regions.




that is what is known as a false equivalency. are you a republican by any chance? ;p
I suppose that means I'd be able to afford multiple copies? (Or does that mean something different in UK?)

people who REGISTERED, not bought as you said (you dont buy a bnet account, they are free), on 2 separate accounts have to buy a second HotS copy, as it should be.

I made two posts. In both I say "purchase" and "copy".

Everyone knows that if you wait long enough, the price will come down, thats called economics.... what people don't expect is to buy 2 copies of anything then have one taken away from them because they kept them both in the same place instead of keeping them separate.
I have yet to hear about anyone actually LOSING anything. Or have people lost access to previous accounts and stats? (What was it you said about false equivalence?)

I paid for 3 copies of WoL, you paid for 1. How is it fair that I now get the same amount of copies of HotS as you do, when I paid for 3 times as many WoL copies as you? I should, as I paid for 3 copies of WoL, have the option to also purchase 3 copies of HotS to go with them. None of us are asking to be able to pay for HotS once an have access on all our accounts, we are however pretty pissed off that we don't have the option to upgrade them all, which would make blizz more money and not make us out of pocket.
I have to be honest, that's the kind of comment that brings to mind a certain political party... "They're taking away our freedom of upgrading to HotS individually."

edit: typo


People are LOSING a paid License of the game. So basically what they are doing is saying "if you bought two licenses on the same account then one of them will be void".

So they are no longer able to play on the account/region they paid for? (or the statistics / information relating to the account are gone?)


What you put in the quotations is EXACTLY the issue. If I bought two licenses on the same account then I should have two licenses with global play. With what Blizzard did, I only have one game license all together. The information for the other one is completely gone.
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