Global play and those with multiple SC2 copies? - Page 13

Imbaman

Singapore15 Posts

February 09 2013 03:43 GMT

#241

I don't see how those with multiple copies lost something. In the past, you had access to 2 regions, now you have access to 4 regions. Whether or not in principle they merged 2 licenses into 1, in practice, what the 2 licenses allowed you to do in the past is still less than what the 1 license allows you to do with global play. Of course, it is true that people with 1 license in the past now have the same number of regions as the people who used to have more, but it is just a matter of Blizzard choosing to give 3 free regions to people with 1, and 2 free regions to people with 2. So ultimately, everybody gained. There was no requirement for Blizzard to give that in the first place, and even less obligation for them to give proportionately to how much you spent.

gawk

Germany310 Posts

February 09 2013 16:26 GMT

#242

To make things simple I assume EU and NA are the only servers in sc2.

The Problem
The problem is that people are afraid that when Blizzard enables global play in HOTS some of their WOL copies will be deleted/unaccessible.
This happens because they assume when they register their 2 WOL copies
-on one account they have access to 2 regions in HOTS
-on two accounts they have access to 4 regions in HOTS

I think how many regions you can access depends on if you pay to own a permanent cdkey or if you pay to unlock access to a region for an account.

I buy and own a cdkey
If I buy sc2 my copy is identified by the cdkey. The cdkey is my proof to Blizzard that I bought the game and may access the services they offer.

WOL
In WOL Blizzard grants access to 1 region per cdkey.

Frank owns 2 keys, so he can play on 2 regions
Frank@email.com
NA - ABCD-EFGH
EU - BCDE-FGHI

Mary owns 2 keys, so she can play on 2 regions
Mary1@email.com
EU - CDEF-GHIJ
Mary2@email.com
NA - DEFG-HIJK

HOTS
Now in HOTS Blizzard introduces global play. This means if you bought a copy of the game, the associated cdkey now can play on all regions.

Frank owns 2 keys, he can play on 4 regions
Frank@email.com
NA - ABCD-EFGH
EU - ABCD-EFGH
NA - BCDE-FGHI
EU - BCDE-FGHI

Mary owns 2 keys, she can play on 4 regions
Mary1@email.com
EU - CDEF-GHIJ
NA - CDEF-GHIJ

Mary2@email.com
NA - DEFG-HIJK
EU - DEFG-HIJK

HOTS what people are afraid of
Now people are afraid that blizzard will not provide the possibility for Frank to login on EU and then chose which of his 2 keys he wants to use.

Frank owns 2 keys, he can play on 2 regions
Frank@email.com
NA - ABCD-EFGH
EU - ABCD-EFGH
NA - BCDE-FGHI - NOT ACCESSIBLE
EU - BCDE-FGHI - NOT ACCESSIBLE

Mary owns 2 keys, she can play on 4 regions
Mary1@email.com
EU - CDEF-GHIJ
NA - CDEF-GHIJ

Mary2@email.com
NA - DEFG-HIJK
EU - DEFG-HIJK

I buy to unlock to a region on my account
Here my proof to Blizzard is not my cdkey, but the flag on my account that shows that I unlocked access to a region.
Ryder was arguing that in WOL Frank only owns one copy of sc2 when he has 2 regions availible.
That is because the time at which Frank enters his cdkey it grants access to only one region. Blizzard then sets the flag to unlock the region and the cdkey is now marked invalid for another use.
Thus it would look like this:

WOL
Frank unlocked 2 regions, so he can play on 2 regions
Frank@email.com
NA - ENABLED
EU - ENABLED

Mary unlocked 2 regions, so she can play on 2 regions
Mary1@email.com
EU - ENABLED
NA - DISABLED

Mary2@email.com
NA - DISABLED
EU - ENABLED

HOTS
Now Blizzard introduces global play - which would unlock all regions on one account.

Frank has one account, so he can play on 2 regions
Frank@email.com
NA - ENABLED
EU - ENABLED

Mary has two accounts, so she can play on 4 regions
Mary1@email.com
EU - ENABLED
NA - ENABLED

Mary2@email.com 1key
NA - ENABLED
EU - ENABLED

Did I buy a CDKEY or did I pay to unlock access to a region on a specific account?
I bought a copy of sc2, which has to be tied to an account and a region. For me the important part is that I own the copy of sc2 (or maybe a license?) and the bnet-account is just a tool to comfortably manage stuff about my copy, its only purpose is to make thing easier.
2 game copies remain 2 seperate items and as such both receive global play.

If Blizzard decides to enable global play on an per account basis, they enable global play for every copy based on an arbitrary rule which they think is good.
They could aswell grant global play to all accounts which have names not starting with the letter R. I wonder if some people here would be fine with that, as anyone starting with R would still have the same product they purchased.

Arco

United States2090 Posts

February 09 2013 16:51 GMT

#243

Now you have a ladder account for each race on every server in the game. How is that bad?

dcemuser

United States3248 Posts

February 09 2013 17:38 GMT

#244

People should check out my post on the last page - there is 'proof' that Blizzard is not removing this ability.

dUTtrOACh

Canada2339 Posts

February 09 2013 18:07 GMT

#245

Now that the first phase of the cash grab is over, and the dust settles to reveal global play, we can look back and say that there were those of us who payed way more than we should have to play the game. Playing on other servers was a luxury that we didn't all care for. It looks like if you want to keep your multiple accounts, you're going to have to buy multiple copies of HotS - perhaps Blizzard will be nice enough not to force you to bind a unique CD Key to each account you have (right......). You should have seen this coming (not the global play, but the having to buy another copy of HotS for each copy of WoL).

dUTtrOACh

Canada2339 Posts

February 09 2013 18:17 GMT

#246

On February 09 2013 08:04 shockaslim wrote:

Show nested quote +

On February 09 2013 07:32 Ryder. wrote:

On February 09 2013 07:00 FiWiFaKi wrote:

On February 09 2013 06:56 shockaslim wrote:

On February 09 2013 06:49 FiWiFaKi wrote:
I think people aren't getting this.

With two copies on one account you had access to TWO servers. Now you get access to MORE than two servers. This is only an extra feature to you, gives you more access, it just doesn't benefit you as much as the people who had one copy.

You buy a laptop for $500, a month later it goes on sale for $400, does that make you entitled for a $100 refund? No.

Seriously, I don't understand how people cannot understand, this is just simple logical.

Poll: What should be done?

Nothing. (35)

85%

Free HotS copy. (3)

7%

Small compensation (extra portrait, MLG membership, etc) (3)

7%

41 total votes

Your vote: What should be done?

(Vote): Nothing.
(Vote): Free HotS copy.
(Vote): Small compensation (extra portrait, MLG membership, etc)

Not the same logic at all. Regardless if it was a different region or not. I bought TWO copies, I expect to have global play on TWO copies, not ONE.

How about this for an analogy.

You buy an Ipod for $100 and a Phone for $100, as the phone can't play music. The phone company makes a free software change that allows you to play music on your phone. Does that entitle you to two phones or what? A $100 discount? Point is, person who bought the phone and spent $100 has the exact same stuff as the person who spent $200 on an ipod and phone. The person with the ipod just has a useless device now, just as you have a useless copy of the game.

You had two accounts on totally separate servers, unable to interact with them, having them bound to one account, what entitles you to a free feature to have two separate accounts now from one account. You have just as much as you had before and more, so why are you complaining?

You do have two copies of global play, you just made the decision to put them on the same account, that's not Blizzard's problem though.

I think Blizzard offers more support than 99.9% of games out there, spending time on their game 3 years after beta. They put up with enough of our shit already of everyone complaining about everything, even when they give us more new features that are free. Give them a break, they are in no way responsible for this. Every change in life will benefit one more than the other, doesn't mean both people don't benefit though. Blizzard doesn't deserve the short end of the stick every time.

Thank fuck somebody else gets it.

There is a lot of confusion with terminology so I'm going to say an 'account' is an email and a 'profile' is the ability to play on another region with the same account

You guys may have started with the account joebloggs@battlenet on the NA server, and then you decided to purchase the region joebloggs@battlenet for the EU server. Under your one email address, you can play on 2 different regions and have 2 different profiles
Global play comes along and wow look at that! You now have your one email (joebloggs@battlenet) and access to NA and EU accounts, so you can STILL have two different profiles, so you can play zerg on one and terran on the other or whatever the fuck you want. You still have 'two accounts' (joebloggs on NA and joebloggs on EU).

Yes in hindsight this purchase was unnecessary and you wasted your money (just like the ipod example), but you still have exactly the same thing as you did before, and furthermore you don't need to buy HOTS for all your copies now. The fact that person C bought two accounts on 2 emails and now has effectively double the profiles to play on is not grounds for you to receive anything.

On February 09 2013 07:26 shockaslim wrote:

On February 09 2013 07:00 FiWiFaKi wrote:

On February 09 2013 06:56 shockaslim wrote:

Poll: What should be done?

Nothing. (35)

85%

Free HotS copy. (3)

7%

Small compensation (extra portrait, MLG membership, etc) (3)

7%

41 total votes

Your vote: What should be done?

(Vote): Nothing.
(Vote): Free HotS copy.
(Vote): Small compensation (extra portrait, MLG membership, etc)

Not the same logic at all. Regardless if it was a different region or not. I bought TWO copies, I expect to have global play on TWO copies, not ONE.

You are STILL off the mark and your analogy does not even make sense. You can STILL use the phone, and you can STILL use the iPod. Where as with the game, I CANT use a copy of the game that I PURCHASED because they are both on the same e-mail which is ridiculous.

Last time I checked (I actually tried to do so) you can't have more than one account per region per email. Are you saying you purchased for example two copies of NA region under the one email address? In which case how did you switch between them when logging in?

To the first bolded section, that is the freaking issue we have! Your terminoligy is STILL incorrect. Account = e-mail address, License = game purchased, and Profile = ability to play on region.

For example, I have one account, with two licenses. One license gives me a profile for NA, the other license gives me a profile for EU.

Now, with global play, what they are saying is that I have one account, and ONE LICENSE that gives me multiple profiles. They are taking one of my Licenses away AFTER I paid for it. What it really should be is one account with TWO LICENSES with both of them giving me the same number of profiles each.

To the second bold, what you are saying is correct. I had the EU license of the game downloaded and the NA license downloaded. When I would log into EU with with the account, it would active the EU profile, and when I would login to NA with the same account, it would activate the NA profile. What people are complaining about is that it is effectively saying that one of your licenses is not valid.

Shock, why don't you just change the e-mail address on one of your accounts? Ideally, you should do it before they release HotS, or you may find yourself with some bullshit problems.

It's actually ridiculously simple and complaining about having to go into account management and change your e-mail is almost nonsensically comical.

Shield

Bulgaria4824 Posts

February 09 2013 21:11 GMT

#247

A whole game license? No. Maybe one or two free name changes. That's enough. Blizzard never required you to buy multiple WoL.

Conti

Germany2516 Posts

February 09 2013 22:51 GMT

#248

Since we're making fun biased polls, let's try this one.

Person A buys 1 extra WoL copy. He registers it on his original battle.net account. He now has 2 WoL copies.

Person B buys 1 extra WoL copy. He registers it on a new battle.net account. He now has 2 WoL copies.

Global play comes along.

Poll: What should happen now?

Person A and person B should have 2 WoL accounts per region. (12)

57%

Person A should have 1 WoL account per region, Person B should have 2 WoL accounts per region. (8)

38%

Person A and person B should have 1 WoL account per region. (1)

5%

21 total votes

Your vote: What should happen now?

(Vote): Person A should have 1 WoL account per region, Person B should have 2 WoL accounts per region.
(Vote): Person A and person B should have 1 WoL account per region.
(Vote): Person A and person B should have 2 WoL accounts per region.

mrhobbers

109 Posts

February 09 2013 23:14 GMT

#249

I have multiple copies, but Blizzard doesn't owe me anything. They actually saved me money, because now with one hots key I can play multiple regions on one account. Whereas without global play, I'd have to buy multiple copies of hots to use the other regions. People really love to ask for free shit. I'm assuming OP wants 1080p from GOM and free VODs as well.

branflakes14

2082 Posts

February 09 2013 23:24 GMT

#250

If you don't like what Blizzard are doing, stop giving them money. It really is that simple.

Foblos

United States426 Posts

February 09 2013 23:27 GMT

#251

Blizzard only added Global Play because a lot of people wanted the feature but didn't want to/couldn't buy additional sc2 copies. If you bought an additional sc2 that was your choice based off of something that you felt was worth the money and I would bet that you agreed that it was worth the money up until global play was announced. You paid extra to get a feature that was not available to the public for nearly two years, and because of that you shouldn't get anything back. You got what you payed for.

Darkthorn

Romania912 Posts

February 09 2013 23:39 GMT

#252

On February 10 2013 08:27 Foblos wrote:
Blizzard only added Global Play because a lot of people wanted the feature but didn't want to/couldn't buy additional sc2 copies. If you bought an additional sc2 that was your choice based off of something that you felt was worth the money and I would bet that you agreed that it was worth the money up until global play was announced. You paid extra to get a feature that was not available to the public for nearly two years, and because of that you shouldn't get anything back. You got what you payed for.

You really don't get the problem...it's not about losing money(not entirely)... it's that some people that bought a 2nd account for another region get 1 account with 4 regions while others that used a different email for the 2nd region get 2 accounts with 4 regions each...
It's like there's a batch of products and some are broken and some are not...you get a broken one and don't get a refund. And no I am not saying people should get refunded in any way...they should just get 2 accounts like a person that used a 2nd email.

FiWiFaKi

Canada9859 Posts

February 10 2013 00:08 GMT

#253

On February 10 2013 07:51 Conti wrote:
Since we're making fun biased polls, let's try this one.

Person A buys 1 extra WoL copy. He registers it on his original battle.net account. He now has 2 WoL copies.

Person B buys 1 extra WoL copy. He registers it on a new battle.net account. He now has 2 WoL copies.

Global play comes along.

Poll: What should happen now?

Person A and person B should have 2 WoL accounts per region. (12)

57%

Person A should have 1 WoL account per region, Person B should have 2 WoL accounts per region. (8)

38%

Person A and person B should have 1 WoL account per region. (1)

5%

21 total votes

Your vote: What should happen now?

Your poll literally makes no sense.

You buy two games, register two accounts, it's the equivalent oh having one account for you, one for your brother, and one of these randomly gets taken away for no reason? Uh what? At least make a good poll if you're going to try and prove your unpopular opinion, especially considering the fact you are greatly simplifying the situation.

Both accounts have two copies, one just has a mirror copy, don't see the issue.

I don't think this issue will be addressed regardless, a very very small portion of the community bought two games, plus I think many can accept the situation. They wont add some account separation system or something to please a couple dozen fans.

OwnDizzzld

United Kingdom18 Posts

February 10 2013 01:37 GMT

#254

No. Tough s*** ... Also asking for a free copy of HOTS is dumb. Blizzard would lose too much money if they had to do that for everyone.

eScaper-tsunami

Canada313 Posts

February 10 2013 04:10 GMT

#255

On February 10 2013 09:08 FiWiFaKi wrote:

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his unpopular opinion is winning must make no sense eh? And yes, there must be only at most 24 fans with multiple sc2 lol when it's known that virtually all pros have multiple sc2 account. It's okay if you don't understand.

shockaslim

United States1105 Posts

February 10 2013 06:41 GMT

#256

Ughhhhhhhh. OK, let me freaking explain EXACTLY what happened here.

I have bought two licenses for Starcraft 2 and put them on the same account. One license was for EU, the other was for NA. In my account previously it would show "Starcraft 2: Wings of Liberty NA" for my NA account, and "Starcraft 2: Wings of Liberty EU" for my EU account.

NOW, it just says "StarCraft 2: Wings of Liberty Standard Edition" and there is only ONE STARCRAFT 2 LICENSE WHEN I PAID FOR TWO!!!

If they were doing this fairly, they would have TWO "StarCraft 2: Wings of Liberty Standard Editions" instead of just ONE because I PAID FOR TWO. They effectively revoked one of my licenses, which is bullshit.

Foblos

United States426 Posts

February 10 2013 08:05 GMT

#257

On February 10 2013 15:41 shockaslim wrote:
Ughhhhhhhh. OK, let me freaking explain EXACTLY what happened here.

I have bought two licenses for Starcraft 2 and put them on the same account. One license was for EU, the other was for NA. In my account previously it would show "Starcraft 2: Wings of Liberty NA" for my NA account, and "Starcraft 2: Wings of Liberty EU" for my EU account.

NOW, it just says "StarCraft 2: Wings of Liberty Standard Edition" and there is only ONE STARCRAFT 2 LICENSE WHEN I PAID FOR TWO!!!

If they were doing this fairly, they would have TWO "StarCraft 2: Wings of Liberty Standard Editions" instead of just ONE because I PAID FOR TWO. They effectively revoked one of my licenses, which is bullshit.

And yet effectively, you still have THE EXACT SAME rights as before. Actually, you have more since you can play on all the other servers as well. I, with only one account, was given three free copies of the game. You, with two were given two free copies. Let's be a little thankful and a little less entitled, yeah?

MarkZinger

12 Posts

February 10 2013 08:27 GMT

#258

I don't understand the uproar, honestly.

I had 2 licenses on my Battle.net account, an NA and a TW license. When Global Play was first announced here at TL via that first thread, I contacted Blizzard Support via live chat, and kindly asked the rep to move my TW license to a brand new Battle.net account (which I created in advance). The rep did exactly that, and now I have 2 full copies of Wings of Liberty on 2 separate accounts, both of which work with every single server.

I'm not sure if it's too late now, since the merge has already completed serverside, but if anyone would like another account, just contact support.

https://us.battle.net/support/en/blog/8352035

jiN9

United States20 Posts

February 10 2013 08:31 GMT

#259

I haven't read through the entire thread yet, so sorry if anyone else with my experience has already posted this.

I purchased a TW license in order to play on the KR/TW server. I have this license under the same account as my NA license. I remember when the beta for the "arcade" client came out (1.5?), I tried it out. During log in it gave me the option for SCII-1 and SCII-2. I was able to make 2 profiles in the "arcade" beta client with each option. And before global play was enabled, I had logged on with the KR client and created a "starter edition" profile under the KR server while keeping my TW profile intact. Now, whenever I log onto the KR/TW server, SCII-1 correlates to my TW license and SCII-2 correlates to my KR profile. However both SCII-1 and SCII-2 are the same profile if I log into either NA or EU.

Edit:

When I check the details of my account, when I check what name changes I have, it lists KR twice

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shockaslim

United States1105 Posts

February 10 2013 23:07 GMT

#260

On February 10 2013 17:05 Foblos wrote:

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I should be thankful that they took a copy of my game away? They didn't give you free copies of the game, they gave you access to the other regions. They did the same thing for me......took my NA license and gave me access to all of the other regions for that license. However, just because my NA license has access to all of the other regions doesn't mean they should take away my EU license!!!!

Who fucking cares that I can still play on all of the regions. It doesn't make up for the fact that they took away a license that I PAID FOR.

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