non upgrades wold make infested terrans as useless as autoturrets in the late game. Unlike Autoturrets invested Terrans are pretty bad everywhere else though.
+2 armor and shield upgrades also disable any building harassment. So yeah sounds like another sneak remove of something, they can't balance. But nothing against testing it.

Aunvilgod

2653 Posts

January 11 2013 00:05 GMT

#63

On January 11 2013 08:01 Sandermatt wrote:

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This gets suggested over and over again, but there is a reason it is not implemented, and the reason are mutas in ZvZ.

Ah, so what? Muta-Hydra sounds much more fun than Roach-Infestor. Especially because you would also see most likely more lings.

KaiserKieran

United States615 Posts

January 11 2013 00:21 GMT

#64

I dont really know what nerfs they can do besides removing fungal. It would be cool to just have fungal with like 20 dmg . Even like lowering damage would be fine. Or in the case of removing it make it so that neural parasite costs less energy.

Kreb

4834 Posts

January 11 2013 00:30 GMT

#65

I'd prefer an increased cost for ITs. Upping the cost to 30 or 35 would decrease some of the massive IT spammage from 20+ infestors we see late game. 30 energy means 6 per full energy infestor. 35 means 5. Atm its 8.

But removing upgrades is okay too i guess.

Steel

Japan2283 Posts

January 11 2013 00:34 GMT

#66

honestly i think the current nerfs are enough, the new range makes it so that infestors get killed really easily by tanks (more than before) so if a terran pulls back behind tanks (in a ling ultra fight) or stalkers behind collosus, almost all infestors die because they do have target priority.

this makes it very difficult to mass infestors and a low infestor count is possible to manage and really not imbalanced in my opinion.

it's almost pretty much impossible to fungal vikings unless a terran walks into it but that's normal it's called bad micro

we haven't seen a lot of tournaments recently but in gsl and proleague zerg have not been dominating at all what is blizzard thinking??

EssenceSC

United Kingdom29 Posts

January 11 2013 00:37 GMT

#67

They nerfed it fine, no one makes 30 infestors anymore cos they will just die more easily to tanks and collosi if they nerf it again zerg will just be trash.

Steel

Japan2283 Posts

January 11 2013 00:37 GMT

#68

On January 11 2013 09:05 Aunvilgod wrote:

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Ah, so what? Muta-Hydra sounds much more fun than Roach-Infestor. Especially because you would also see most likely more lings.

Mutas are already too strong in ZvZ. If you want to go roach infestor and your opponent is going mutalisk you have to pretty much hard counter mutalisk before being able to scout. Ling muta all ins at your third are already hard enough to stop, and not getting a third before mutas is pretty much a loss considering you have to get infestors and a couple of queens or hydras then push to your third while having enough meat to stop ling baneling.

Please don't ruin this matchup even more, mutas are already too strong it's really dumb right now.

Laurens

Belgium4553 Posts

January 11 2013 00:44 GMT

#69

yes please, about time

Sajaki

Canada1135 Posts

January 11 2013 00:45 GMT

#70

In regards to the discussion on rooting vs slowing, i honestly think (even though it doesn't make sense according to physics) if fungal rooted air only, and slowed ground. The whole reason fungal needs to root is because mutas/phoenix. But as such its too potent against ground units like marines.

WhiteSatin

United States308 Posts

January 11 2013 00:49 GMT

#71

not only it's too little and too late.. but..
i am pretty fucking shocked that they are "testing it out in the test map"
are you kidding me ? just implement the patch already

Cyro

United Kingdom20322 Posts

January 11 2013 00:58 GMT

#72

I think its a pretty big deal because IT's do 8 damage to all.

With guardian shield (which extends to air) 6 damage. With 3-3 on everything, instead of dealing 5-6 damage to most toss units (base armor), they do 2-3.

Carriers do 5 damage, so it affects them the most, 60% damage increase and it takes 250 shots to kill them now instead of 75, assuming you have 3-3 upgrades.

If you dont, it is a lot less punishing - Comparing 0-0 air to 3-3 zerg, you do 2.5x as much damage because he does not have armor any more (5 instead of 2), and you dont take extra damage because he doesnt have upgrades either.

The opposite suggestion was going around for a while, no root on air because it completely removes the possibility of midgame air presence in WOL PvZ

TTOMZ

United Kingdom156 Posts

January 11 2013 01:00 GMT

#73

Toss has the Immortal all in the if performed correctly can't be stopped by Zerg, but we better keep nerfing Zerg because clearly since Terran players can't figure out what to do we should just nerf Zerg into the ground. Great logic Blizzard

tshi

United States2495 Posts

January 11 2013 01:00 GMT

#74

i guess they're doing this for the last GSL?

Blargh

United States2103 Posts

January 11 2013 01:06 GMT

#75

Is this for real? Could it really be?!

SupLilSon

Malaysia4123 Posts

January 11 2013 01:06 GMT

#76

Hell... it's about damn time.

Actually, 6 months ago would have been "about damn time." but meh.

Ettick

United States2434 Posts

January 11 2013 01:07 GMT

#77

But seriously, I haven't been more excited for a patch since WoW 3.0.2, this has been wanted by practically everyone in the SC2 community for a very long time, and now it is actually going to happen sometime soon™

blade55555

United States17423 Posts

January 11 2013 01:09 GMT

#78

On January 11 2013 10:06 SupLilSon wrote:
Hell... it's about damn time.

Actually, 6 months ago would have been "about damn time." but meh.

Blizzards always been slow on this stuff. We zergs can tell you that from personal experience :D

hoby2000

United States918 Posts

January 11 2013 01:13 GMT

#79

Things I've learned from this thread:

Blizzard is listening to the community months later.

And anything that deserves a neft is extremely OP because it's pass the stage of nerf.

TheFish7

United States2824 Posts

January 11 2013 01:16 GMT

#80

I think they should cap ITs similar to spider mines. keep the energy cost but once you shoot 8 ITs that infestor is done casting IT for the rest of the game.