Good change.
Infested terran with upgrade are actually stupidly strong, especially in ZvP or in lategame ZvT to kill viking. They hve the msot dps of the whole zerg composition at this point

United States2921 Posts

January 11 2013 02:51 GMT

#102

Infestors in general are a broken unit. Just get rid of them o.O

FragRaptor

United States184 Posts

January 11 2013 02:52 GMT

#103

They need to make it plague again. Make it a nerf/buff.

MagnuMizer

Denmark384 Posts

January 11 2013 02:53 GMT

#104

listen ive seen some very good games with extremely shitty endings like tvz where he just get fungaled and bane'd and then GG...

fungal growth is the shittiest spell of the game.. allowing for 0% micro... even IF they keep that spell in the game it should at least be as it is in HotS - with a projectile...

tbh i never really cared about infested terrans.. they are not as game deciding as fungal can be

Emzeeshady

Canada4203 Posts

January 11 2013 03:02 GMT

#105

--- Nuked ---

Noocta

France12578 Posts

January 11 2013 03:08 GMT

#106

On January 11 2013 11:53 MagnuMizer wrote:
listen ive seen some very good games with extremely shitty endings like tvz where he just get fungaled and bane'd and then GG...

fungal growth is the shittiest spell of the game.. allowing for 0% micro... even IF they keep that spell in the game it should at least be as it is in HotS - with a projectile...

tbh i never really cared about infested terrans.. they are not as game deciding as fungal can be

Fungal is a too drastic change for WoL right now.
Remember HotS is in like 3 months, they can't add the projectile without screwing zerg completly for months. ( even if they deserve it )

tuho12345

4482 Posts

January 11 2013 03:08 GMT

#107

they seriously need to help protoss in mid and late game lol. Toss always have to play from behind in most situation.

Rainling

United States456 Posts

January 11 2013 03:17 GMT

#108

I think letting infested terrans not benefit from weapon and armor upgrades is a great decision. Infested terrans will still be reasonably effective in harassment, but not nearly as effective in late game deathball versus deathball scenarios.

I guess I have more faith in infestors than most other people in this thread, maybe because I play zerg. I think they have an important role in helping zerglings and banelings deal with bio and gateway units and reducing reliance on roaches.

However, they're just too strong and versatile right now. Also, as others have mentioned, fungal's immobilization of units is a problem because it denies micro and makes fights less interesting to watch. I think changing fungal to a slow would solve both of these problems fairly effectively.

This would likely make ling muta the dominant composition in zvz, but most would agree that ling muta is more interesting to watch and more micro-intensive than roach hydra infestor. If preserving alternatives to ling muta in zvz is completely necessary, there are possible solutions that could retain the effectiveness of roach hydra infestor. The speed of hydras on creep could be increased to compensate and/or hydra stats could be buffed to allow them to better deal with mutas. Fungal could be changed to a very heavy (~75%) slow that would still shut down clumps of mutas but allow some potential for micro.

Belha

Italy2850 Posts

January 11 2013 03:22 GMT

#109

I hate how slow is Blizz balance team at seeing what is obvious to any mediocre master player and beyond.

SecondHand

United States329 Posts

January 11 2013 03:23 GMT

#110

I dont think its nearly enough, I'm still going to flat out lose to chain fungals every tvz that makes it towards late game.

Hider

Denmark9447 Posts

January 11 2013 03:30 GMT

#111

Thought this was old news. Dustin Browder said that roughly 3 weeks ago on his twitter.

Existential

Australia2107 Posts

January 11 2013 03:33 GMT

#112

I don't know why they keep trying to fix something that is just not fixable. They really need to just replace the unit.

GreyKnight

United States4720 Posts

January 11 2013 03:36 GMT

#113

the fact they didnt do this to begin with when it was one of the most logical and reasonable nerfs is amusing.

Badfatpanda

United States9719 Posts

January 11 2013 03:36 GMT

#114

You know what would be cool? If Blizzard realized that THEY were the ones that put oil on the flame by buffing queen range. Try reverting it, TvZ will be fixed in a snap and taking away IT upgrades would fix TvP for the most part.

But they never admit their mistakes. That's why we're in this mess 6 months later.

ikh

United Kingdom251 Posts

January 11 2013 03:43 GMT

#115

what bothers me about infested terrans is that to me, the most obvious way of attempting to balance them would be to increase their energy cost. and then comes into play the unwritten rule that all resource costs in the starcraft universe must be (as in, they have never not been) in increments of 25. it would be interesting to see how an energy cost of 35 would effect infested terran usage and efficacy. upping it to 50 would destroy the ability.

is there any actual official reasoning behind why game balance design is being hamstringed in this manner?

that said, the idea of making infested terrans unupgradable is not a bad idea either. what i said fits into every other aspect of the game, too.

akademikx

37 Posts

January 11 2013 03:46 GMT

#116

pretty weak nerf tbh. Not really sure how this is going to discourage players from massing them either. LOL. seriously remember when ghosts where nerfed? Emp radius and snipe damage cut in half. huge nerfs. Now what nerf has the infestor seen? -1 range and a few minor nerfs to infested terrans. OH BOY. seriously I really wish blizzard would treat the races equally.

infestors are still going to be super fucking good. Even without infested terran, zerg player will still mass infestors. Once again blizzard fails to see the fundamental problem with infestors and instead of actually fixing anything they put in some shitty random nerf and cross their fingers that zerg players will stop massing infestors every game.

Discarder

Philippines411 Posts

January 11 2013 03:46 GMT

#117

With this next nerf to infestors, I hope hydralisks get something significant. Zerg can make more timing attack strategies work and mainly just have good anti-air and DPS to compensate.

ROOTheognis

United States4482 Posts

January 11 2013 03:46 GMT

#118

On January 11 2013 12:30 Hider wrote:
Thought this was old news. Dustin Browder said that roughly 3 weeks ago on his twitter.

ya, but it wasn't specified what was to be changed. This is pretty big news with the focus on infested terrans in the late game.

Von

United States363 Posts

January 11 2013 03:47 GMT

#119

Blizz: ".. oh, hahah... what? Ahhh I see - in your language 'nerf' apparently means 'reduce the power of in relation to the other units'?

No, no ... around here nerf means 'make the unit invincible and disgustingly over the top, no matter what'

Gee, no wonder you guys are so pissed"

Tuczniak

1561 Posts

January 11 2013 03:50 GMT

#120

I don't know. In hots protoss late game air army is broken.
Before implementing something like this from beta, they should at least find some kind of balance in beta. There will be some nerfs to toss and/or buffs to zerg. Before they decide on those, taking stuff from beta isn't good idea.