EPTRegarding the Defwin against stephano at HSC VI - Page 15
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cythaze
830 Posts
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Rad
United States935 Posts
But anyway, if stephano said it's xlord's win, it's xlord's win. Also, the player commentators said it was xlord's win, so that's that. Doesn't matter if xlord was BM or not, as that's all subjective, if xlord is going to necessarily win he was going to necessarily win. Glad to see stephano still in the tourney and I personally hope he wins :D But, I'm also super impressed with xlord's run and would be happy to see him go further. No need to make any sort of admin decision from HSC into more than it needs to be - HSC is for showing a more personal side of things and when stupid shit like a DC happens, we should ignore it, or bitch about it in a different manner (to blizz specifically) rather than take it out on this particular tourney or players  | ||
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4tre55
Germany330 Posts
On December 22 2012 18:02 JeanLuc wrote: A lot of armchair nobodies making hypocritical statements in this thread. To be expected I guess. People blame XLord for getting heated when he has a lot of money and prestige on the line, while they themselves seem pretty heated with nothing on the line except wanting their favourite player to win. The more embittered their expressions of "I will never you like you again XLord" is, the more they demonstrate that put in a similar situation they would have acted exactly the same... On December 22 2012 18:01 Boiler Bandsman wrote: Gimme a break guys, XLord was on the best run of his SC2 career, 4-0'ing Bly, 2-0'ing MMA, and a game plus a huge lead ahead of Stephano. To those guys, HSC is a bit of a blow-off tournament, but in SC2 you gotta take every chance you get to make a name for yourself. Of course XLord would take the opportunity seriously, and of course he was upset that it could all get destroyed by a DC and 2 more notoriously coin-flippy ZvZs. He had every right to argue his position and to do so forcefully. If you want to get your flame on, go after the admins for their horrible decision-making process. Or worse, for streaming the whole thing. Heated, emotional discussions and internal decision-making should never, ever be broadcast like that. Simply horrible handling by the tournament organizers. It's exactly what those two said. I can understand people blaming the admins, even if all take wanted to do was the right thing. But you can't really blame XlorD for arguing for himself in a at least discussable situation. | ||
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LeLfe
France3160 Posts
Since it's the first time you ever reach a final bracket in sc2, I guess securing the win was more important than class. GL for today though | ||
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Prugelhugel
Austria637 Posts
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christophequirion
France82 Posts
And thats what Take and admins of HSC should have thought, but sadly, they didnt. Yes, it would be shitty for xlord to not have a free win in that game, but thats what about SC2 without LAN, its not Stephanos fault that SC2 does not have LAN so then he has to get free loss... And the thing is xlord have rights to be BM, "be like a child" etc. cause he is on emotions, he is a player. Its up to admins to have cold heads to think fairly and make right decisions.[/QUOTE] I agree 100% !!! | ||
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grs
Germany2339 Posts
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RiSkysc2
696 Posts
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Acertos
France852 Posts
On December 22 2012 18:01 Boiler Bandsman wrote: Gimme a break guys, XLord was on the best run of his SC2 career, 4-0'ing Bly, 2-0'ing MMA, and a game plus a huge lead ahead of Stephano. To those guys, HSC is a bit of a blow-off tournament, but in SC2 you gotta take every chance you get to make a name for yourself. Of course XLord would take the opportunity seriously, and of course he was upset that it could all get destroyed by a DC and 2 more notoriously coin-flippy ZvZs. He had every right to argue his position and to do so forcefully. If you want to get your flame on, go after the admins for their horrible decision-making process. Or worse, for streaming the whole thing. Heated, emotional discussions and internal decision-making should never, ever be broadcast like that. Simply horrible handling by the tournament organizers. The fuck dude, you want to blame the admins (which is normal) and not condamn xlord attitude? "It's a free win! Even bronze can win from this position!!!" Not only he is really bad manered but it's like his life is on the line. You cant have this attitude in a tournament. Like he wold have done that in a MLG, he wasnt in a position to argue, he doesnt have the right to and i can't understand how you can defend this attitude. The only sport where you can argue is football and even there you can get yellow cards. To me he seemed like a very frustrated child, the stereotype of the gamer. But like you said yo have to do everything to win, even ruin the ambiance, it's just a wrong attitude, egoistic and immature. Did you see the casters face after Stephano said he can have the win? They were like "Wtf?" and didnt say anything for 30 seconds, it was so awkard and im sure they thought that Xlord was just bad manered and were embarrassed for his attitude. Nobody should caution this attitude, casters, take and stephano are only protecting Xlord to not ruin the ambiance more, they just step it up to not give him more hate (that he deserves in my opinion). His post is also completely stupid, just add more to the stereotype. An explanation on why he should have won 100% won't resolve this because it's not the point (and even then it was not 100% win like he makes it out to be), the point is about yelling and raging trying to change the casters point of view. If i was him i would make public apologies about my bad attitude not this half-assed post, "it was the caster's and stephano's decision, no need for drama i didn't do anyhing bad, it's not m fault it turned out to be a drama subject". After this, we talk about the bad jokes of Nerchio, Stephano, Idra, Cloud but wtf they never did something so bad manered in their life. Anyway i don't think i can change your way of thinking nor your attitude (and i suppose you are the same as Xlord in life if you defend him), do everything to win and be a real dick if you have to. | ||
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4tre55
Germany330 Posts
On December 22 2012 18:49 Acertos wrote:After this, we talk about the bad jokes of Nerchio, Stephano, Idra, Cloud but wtf they never did something so bad manered in their life. Anyway i don't think i can change your way of thinking nor your attitude (and i suppose you are the same as Xlord in life if you defend him), do everything to win and be a real dick if you have to. If you think jokes about sexual abuse of minors is better than arguing over a rules decision there is something seriously wrong with you. | ||
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OfficerRobert
United States95 Posts
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Bostock
United Kingdom4 Posts
I'm just upset that you handled the situation so unprofessionally by arguing about it on stream, 'What the fuck, its a fucking freewin' when Snute suggested a BO5 is a quote I remember amongst other things. Thankfully this kind of problem will never have to happen again in HOTS. | ||
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aTnClouD
Italy2428 Posts
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
On December 22 2012 19:03 Bostock wrote: Yes you would have probably won the game, but as long as their is a chance for Stephano to win, be it as small as a 1% chance you regame. I'm just upset that you handled the situation so unprofessionally by arguing about it on stream, 'What the fuck, its a fucking freewin' when Snute suggested a BO5 is a quote I remember amongst other things. Thankfully this kind of problem will never have to happen again in HOTS. That's not how it works, at all. It's a concept called "reasonable doubt" which is definitely not 1% vs 99%. Regaming is always unfair towards the winner, you've revealed your winning strategy. At one point a regame is not equitable at all, because you can always argue that someone has a >0% chance to win, with out drawing the line at some point simply isn't fair. You can argue about where the line is drawn, but that's a completely different argument from saying that deferred wins shouldn't be rewarded. | ||
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Acertos
France852 Posts
On December 22 2012 18:57 4tre55 wrote: If you think jokes about sexual abuse of minors is better than arguing over a rules decision there is something seriously wrong with you. Yeah retardedd jokes to a friend going on the net then making real apologies and not getting salary is better than arguing and yelling on casters for no reason in a friendly tournament, putting shame on everybody and ruining the ambiance then making a silly post about "How it was 100% win". You just have to put things in their context, and i didnt say it was better, i said that they never did something so bad manered like Xlord did last night. | ||
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OfficerRobert
United States95 Posts
On December 22 2012 19:12 Acertos wrote: Yeah retardedd jokes to a friend going on the net then making real apologies and not getting salary is better than arguing and yelling on casters for no reason in a friendly tournament, putting shame on everybody and ruining the ambiance then making a silly post about "How it was 100% win". You just have to put things in their context, and i didnt say it was better, i said that they never did something so bad manered like Xlord did last night. Stephano's comment is not a joke. | ||
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Acertos
France852 Posts
Yeah it's not a joke you are right, in France going for 10 yrs old is totally normal it goes without saying. | ||
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OfficerRobert
United States95 Posts
On December 22 2012 19:22 Acertos wrote: Yeah it's not a joke you are right, in France going for 10 yrs old is totally normal it goes without saying. Glad you agreed. Nice culture in France though, thanks for the info. Didn't know that before. | ||
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Nadrel
Belgium7 Posts
I just watched the scene and I can't say that Xlord reacted abusively. The fact that the discussion about the game happened just in front of the players was a mistake and it would have been impossible (abnormal) for the players to not react. Furthermore, they had a lot of pressure and frustration piled up, thus the kinda emotionnal response. Xlord beleiving in victory gets robbed of it at last second and sees the possibility for even more nerve-wrecking games... I can understand he would argue. The fact that Stephano frustrated too gave him the win made both players feel even worse (i would) and after that there was no way to argue anymore. It made it so that Xlord was the bad guy (while his reaction was completely normal in the situation), thus the need for him to justify his win even after the decision. I think that it was an unfortunate situation that was nobody's fault but as it caused much frustration, people needed a scapegoat, Xlord in this situation. Finally I liked the way of playing of both players and hope they can make it even further in this tournament, without getting affected by the brainless attacks on this forum Edit : "Yeah it's not a joke you are right, in France going for 10 yrs old is totally normal it goes without saying"./sarcasm? or just stupid? | ||
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Satiinifi
Finland192 Posts
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