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Dwayn
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany949 Posts
December 22 2012 06:40 GMT
#261
On December 22 2012 15:19 NEEDZMOAR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2012 14:55 Dwayn wrote:
I went to bed after that disc, so I don't know what happend afterwards. But in my mind there was no doubt that this would be a regame, very surprised they just gave that to xlord. Worst possible decision. Xlord had a lead but it wasn't over. Of course a regame would have been kind of unfair too, but that's just the way it is. A Bo5 would have been the best decision imo.



It was over.. unless xlord basically lost all his skills and knowledge as a progamer or he suddenly got very drunk out of nothing, he would close that game.

no

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InfusedTT.DaZe
Profile Joined August 2010
Romania693 Posts
December 22 2012 06:43 GMT
#262
i remember when mkp got a regame against parting( or a really good protoss ) in the gstl finals after he 150% lost the game, it was on entombed, people were argueing he had units making in his baracks but the protoss was camping like 3 of them and was about to go kill him.
I hated the admins of gom for that decision, im really glad with this decision now, good job !
"Echoes of past events nudge the tiller on my present course, I await its reflection in the future"
bGr.MetHiX
Profile Joined February 2011
Bulgaria511 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-22 07:04:27
December 22 2012 06:45 GMT
#263
Xlord was very ahead but still his manner is pretty lacking.


Everybody who was watching saw XlorD's attitude while shouting "It's FREEWIN,see,it's freewin,why regame? "

That's just a bad attitude for a competitor,doesnt matter if he was actually really ahead.

And it's bad to act that way in an event such as HomestoryCup. It should be a friendly event with the best of manners


sorry if my english is not the best.




On December 22 2012 15:56 Keldrath wrote:
If it was me in that situation I personally would have asked for a regame rather than a defwin. I mean, if I win a series or a match, I wouldn't want there to be any question over whether I did or not. It would take away from the legitimacy of the win, and it would make me look like a poor sport as well.




very good point!
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Keldrath
Profile Joined July 2010
United States449 Posts
December 22 2012 06:56 GMT
#264
If it was me in that situation I personally would have asked for a regame rather than a defwin. I mean, if I win a series or a match, I wouldn't want there to be any question over whether I did or not. It would take away from the legitimacy of the win, and it would make me look like a poor sport as well.
If you want peace... prepare for war.
PresenceSc2
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4032 Posts
December 22 2012 07:07 GMT
#265
Take wanted to do it off stream but DIMAGA said do it on air.

imo it should have been a regame. If MKP vs Parting got a regame this should........
Stephano//HerO//TaeJa//Squirtle//Bomber
TAMinator
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2706 Posts
December 22 2012 07:26 GMT
#266
If both agreed, then its fine. (im sure ppl will throw pitchforks anyway)
Caryc
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany330 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-22 07:43:35
December 22 2012 07:38 GMT
#267
On December 22 2012 15:56 Keldrath wrote:
If it was me in that situation I personally would have asked for a regame rather than a defwin. I mean, if I win a series or a match, I wouldn't want there to be any question over whether I did or not. It would take away from the legitimacy of the win, and it would make me look like a poor sport as well.

yeah ofc.
you are way..way ahead in a game about a lot of money and moments after the disconnect you are just really calm
and ask for a regame,because thats so obvious and exactly everyone all the time acts like that.

i mean i cant argue against your statement,it may be true or it may be bs but i dont understand at all,how (edit: ) people (/edit) can be mad about someone reacting like xlord did in this kind of situation.
but i guess its so easy to judge if you are watching the scenario on a stream.

edit2 :
i personally think its a close decision towards a regame considering previous incidents.
but i also think its bullshit that you have to have a 98% win to get the win.
you are just punishing the winning player so hard by that..
Keldrath
Profile Joined July 2010
United States449 Posts
December 22 2012 07:41 GMT
#268
On December 22 2012 16:38 Caryc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2012 15:56 Keldrath wrote:
If it was me in that situation I personally would have asked for a regame rather than a defwin. I mean, if I win a series or a match, I wouldn't want there to be any question over whether I did or not. It would take away from the legitimacy of the win, and it would make me look like a poor sport as well.

yeah ofc.
you are way..way ahead in a game about a lot of money and moments after the disconnect you are just really calm
and ask for a regame,because thats so obvious and exactly everyone all the time acts like that.

i mean i cant argue against your statement,it may be true or it may be bs but i dont understand at all,how you can be
mad about someone reacting like xlord did in this kind of situation.
but i guess its so easy to judge if you are watching the scenario on a stream.

Never said I was mad or anything.
If you want peace... prepare for war.
Caryc
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany330 Posts
December 22 2012 07:41 GMT
#269
oh sorry,i didnt want to target you with this part =D
its just so many people that actually are
DwarfTherapist
Profile Joined November 2012
United States48 Posts
December 22 2012 07:47 GMT
#270
Why don't mods here just close threads once they've run their course?

Nothing new or interesting will happen here 15 pages in. We all know the facts, do we need another 14 pages of people saying "lel ur bad m8" or "ur fine m8 xD".

Please stop.
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
December 22 2012 08:08 GMT
#271
Xlord, this is how I see it. Deserve the win or not, hard to say, I'm not here to argue that.

You are a strong player, and congrats on getting through, and however because of your immature shenanigans and arguing on stream, I have lost all my like for you as a player. You have one less fan here , probably more others feel the same.

Even though you got farther in the tourney, I think what you did will impact you negatively.
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FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
December 22 2012 08:09 GMT
#272
On December 22 2012 16:47 DwarfTherapist wrote:
Why don't mods here just close threads once they've run their course?

Nothing new or interesting will happen here 15 pages in. We all know the facts, do we need another 14 pages of people saying "lel ur bad m8" or "ur fine m8 xD".

Please stop.


If it's closed nobody else will see the thread. Everyone deserves to offer their input if they're following forum etiquette imo.
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
nomyx
Profile Joined June 2012
United States2205 Posts
December 22 2012 08:13 GMT
#273
I felt it was a fair decision, both players got out of the group too so it didn't make as big as an uproar as it could have
gylka
Profile Joined January 2012
Ukraine50 Posts
December 22 2012 08:17 GMT
#274
On December 22 2012 13:22 Plexa wrote:
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On December 22 2012 12:14 Luepert wrote:
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On December 22 2012 10:44 gylka wrote:
On December 22 2012 10:32 KT(Rolster)HaunteR wrote:
It should've 100% been a re-game.

Unless there's a 100% chance to win, which it wasn't. Whining about it didn't help. Should've taken the Bo5 and not acted like a child.

+1
crying like a child "it was a freewin, i was a freewin" when both were somewhere near supply and where everything depends on engagement and even best of players screw up in realy easy situations...
Yes, Xlord was realy ahead and most likely to win that game but its not near 100%. Especialy on that map, especialy in ZvZ, especialy vs Stephano. That game was much closer than Parting vs MKP in GSTL Finals.

It should have been re-game.


The problem is that this can causes major rigging. Someone could cause a disconnect when they think they are going to lose.

As far as the TSL is concerned, we never award def wins to the player who disconnects as it is his responsibility to ensure that his internet is stable. But if someone is winning and the opponent disconnects, and it is a 100% def win then we give the game. Otherwise, regame. However at a LAN situation you would expect that obvious self-disconnects to be caught by other players and horrible repercussions going to the dc'er.

And thats what Take and admins of HSC should have thought, but sadly, they didnt.
Yes, it would be shitty for xlord to not have a free win in that game, but thats what about SC2 without LAN, its not Stephanos fault that SC2 does not have LAN so then he has to get free loss...

And the thing is xlord have rights to be BM, "be like a child" etc. cause he is on emotions, he is a player. Its up to admins to have cold heads to think fairly and make right decisions.
Roman666
Profile Joined April 2012
Poland1440 Posts
December 22 2012 08:24 GMT
#275
On December 22 2012 17:08 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Xlord, this is how I see it. Deserve the win or not, hard to say, I'm not here to argue that.

You are a strong player, and congrats on getting through, and however because of your immature shenanigans and arguing on stream, I have lost all my like for you as a player. You have one less fan here , probably more others feel the same.

Even though you got farther in the tourney, I think what you did will impact you negatively.

This. It will drag along you as develop your career. What people will remember from this, is not the fact that you were ahead or behind in this game, but rather you jumping to the admins' desk and trying to extort the win.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
December 22 2012 08:30 GMT
#276
On December 22 2012 17:24 Roman666 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2012 17:08 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Xlord, this is how I see it. Deserve the win or not, hard to say, I'm not here to argue that.

You are a strong player, and congrats on getting through, and however because of your immature shenanigans and arguing on stream, I have lost all my like for you as a player. You have one less fan here , probably more others feel the same.

Even though you got farther in the tourney, I think what you did will impact you negatively.

This. It will drag along you as develop your career. What people will remember from this, is not the fact that you were ahead or behind in this game, but rather you jumping to the admins' desk and trying to extort the win.


Yet, professional athletes argue with refs all the time. It is just the nature of competing. It is up to the admins to make the call.
Roman666
Profile Joined April 2012
Poland1440 Posts
December 22 2012 08:33 GMT
#277
On December 22 2012 17:30 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2012 17:24 Roman666 wrote:
On December 22 2012 17:08 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Xlord, this is how I see it. Deserve the win or not, hard to say, I'm not here to argue that.

You are a strong player, and congrats on getting through, and however because of your immature shenanigans and arguing on stream, I have lost all my like for you as a player. You have one less fan here , probably more others feel the same.

Even though you got farther in the tourney, I think what you did will impact you negatively.

This. It will drag along you as develop your career. What people will remember from this, is not the fact that you were ahead or behind in this game, but rather you jumping to the admins' desk and trying to extort the win.


Yet, professional athletes argue with refs all the time. It is just the nature of competing. It is up to the admins to make the call.

It is HSC, I mean we can't treat everything black and white. What I am saying, is that he will be remembered for doing this at HSC which is supposed to be friendly, with some slack, competition.
BlackGosu
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1046 Posts
December 22 2012 08:37 GMT
#278
I agree that HSC is a casual tournament. XLORD fighting like his life on the line....what a poor sport
Jar Jar Binks
Boiler Bandsman
Profile Joined February 2012
United States391 Posts
December 22 2012 09:01 GMT
#279
Gimme a break guys, XLord was on the best run of his SC2 career, 4-0'ing Bly, 2-0'ing MMA, and a game plus a huge lead ahead of Stephano. To those guys, HSC is a bit of a blow-off tournament, but in SC2 you gotta take every chance you get to make a name for yourself. Of course XLord would take the opportunity seriously, and of course he was upset that it could all get destroyed by a DC and 2 more notoriously coin-flippy ZvZs. He had every right to argue his position and to do so forcefully.

If you want to get your flame on, go after the admins for their horrible decision-making process. Or worse, for streaming the whole thing. Heated, emotional discussions and internal decision-making should never, ever be broadcast like that. Simply horrible handling by the tournament organizers.
A soft answer turneth away wrath. Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head.
JeanLuc
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada377 Posts
December 22 2012 09:02 GMT
#280
A lot of armchair nobodies making hypocritical statements in this thread. To be expected I guess. People blame XLord for getting heated when he has a lot of money and prestige on the line, while they themselves seem pretty heated with nothing on the line except wanting their favourite player to win. The more embittered their expressions of "I will never you like you again XLord" is, the more they demonstrate that put in a similar situation they would have acted exactly the same...



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