EPTDont ever let it seems like there is no referee, in the end the referee HIMSELF should announce the decision, even if players agreed. The referee has to show his approval of the decision publicaly and put a close to the case (referee always right, no arguing, the ones who would argue this are stupid.) .
Regarding the Defwin against stephano at HSC VI - Page 12
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hoburame
Netherlands48 Posts
Dont ever let it seems like there is no referee, in the end the referee HIMSELF should announce the decision, even if players agreed. The referee has to show his approval of the decision publicaly and put a close to the case (referee always right, no arguing, the ones who would argue this are stupid.) . | ||
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Cecilia
United States16 Posts
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Qwyn
United States2779 Posts
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Elwar
953 Posts
I'm not going to rake Xlord over the coals for trying to justify getting the win, but I do think the admins shouldn't have even offered a player involved in the game to even have an opinion. Its quite literally a worthless opinion. Getting opinions from other pros is definitely OK but clearly they were uncomfortable with being asked to make the call, again another signal that it should be a re-game. As in cricket "give the benefit of the doubt". | ||
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graan
Germany589 Posts
On December 22 2012 11:47 DwD wrote: Watched the VOD closely and what a bullshit call. and incredibly bad manner shown by Xlord. He is up in supply, and I think he was making 6 roaches. Stephano was down in supply but he made 15 roaches. Stephano had 2-2 upgrades and more hydras by a large amount. Xlord is on 2-0 upgrades but has infestors. All 3 casters say it's too hard to call which automatically should make it a regame since they can't tell what the end result would be. Xlord is killing the 4th which would get cancelled by Stephano so they have a very equal bank but Xlord has his 4th almost finishing but really it's not enough to decide a game over 1 base especially since Stephano could win the fight and either counter attack and win or kill the 4th of Xlord while he takes his own 4th again. I'm cringing just watching this how Xlord stood over the caster and calling this a bronze league victory and that's it's 100% win when it's clearly not and how he is hellbent on not accepting any sort of compromise or middle ground. Gotta say though a big fault in all of this is Take. Sitting on the cough telling the casters to vote(wtf?) and he seems to almost enjoy the situation. Sort your tournament out ffs and get an admin who can make an unbiased call. Having a fun and relaxed tournament is great but this was just trash management. vod at 3h15min somewhere http://de.twitch.tv/taketv/b/349945540 What admin? There was no admin anywhere to be seen. It was Stephano who asked Xlord what he wanted to do since he didn't want to take 2-0 and he didn't want to take 2-0 into a bo5. It was Stephano who stepped up and gave it away because he was pressured into the situation. Infestors are 'kind of a big deal' in zvz ( and every other matchup.. ) it was like ~90% xlords game, it was NOT a a-move scenario, but if he would have not fucked up realy bad this was his win. all casters agreed on that. Like take said in his post, he thought about 'the friendly atmosphere' and thats kind of stupid.. the situation was handled bad, but xlord shouldnt have to take any blame.. he was asked about the bo5 lead, he didnt just jump into the discussion like people are saying here.. thats a big difference. | ||
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neptunusfisk
2286 Posts
On December 22 2012 06:43 Bupi wrote: The moment when denis said, lets extend it to a bo5 and you stood there crying was the moment when i saw that u have 0% sportmanship You wont get any respect by me and i hope you get kicked out of your team You, "Bupi", are a bad person. I hope you take this statement as personally as you meant the stuff you wrote, because it was a only a few sentences and already a horrible read. | ||
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muzzy
United States640 Posts
Instead, you chose to look childish and fight over a tiny win. You have now tarnished your entire reputation for one rather insignificant game in one tournament. Calling a position against one of the world's best Zergs "bronze league" and belligerently disagreeing with the opinions of a room full of seasoned progamers makes you look extremely selfish and naive. Congrats indeed, Xlord. | ||
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Luepert
United States1933 Posts
On December 22 2012 10:44 gylka wrote: +1 crying like a child "it was a freewin, i was a freewin" when both were somewhere near supply and where everything depends on engagement and even best of players screw up in realy easy situations... Yes, Xlord was realy ahead and most likely to win that game but its not near 100%. Especialy on that map, especialy in ZvZ, especialy vs Stephano. That game was much closer than Parting vs MKP in GSTL Finals. It should have been re-game. The problem is that this can causes major rigging. Someone could cause a disconnect when they think they are going to lose. | ||
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AngryMag
Germany1040 Posts
On December 22 2012 12:05 graan wrote: Infestors are 'kind of a big deal' in zvz ( and every other matchup.. ) it was like ~90% xlords game, it was NOT a a-move scenario, but if he would have not fucked up realy bad this was his win. all casters agreed on that. Like take said in his post, he thought about 'the friendly atmosphere' and thats kind of stupid.. the situation was handled bad, but xlord shouldnt have to take any blame.. he was asked about the bo5 lead, he didnt just jump into the discussion like people are saying here.. thats a big difference. What this dude said is correct. Yeah, XLord had that game basically and Take did not manage the situation well, made a mistake. So what? If you do all kinds of stuff for the community, mistakes here and there are bound to happen. Now he gets flamed by dudes, who in the large majority never did anything for the community. Bloody unthankful! The whole thing gets so blown out of proportion, XLord basically has already 400 flames on reddit. Shameful like the Destiny or Stephano affair, certain parts of this community do nothing but bitching and telling others what to do from their armchairs, without actually getting something done for the community as a whole. Should be called witchhunting syndrome... | ||
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how2TL
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Silentenigma
Turkey2037 Posts
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Chronos.
United States805 Posts
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Rachnar
France1526 Posts
On December 22 2012 11:51 SicPro wrote: "Stephano said he could have the win if he wants it" So I can tell thru text and not having been there.... and not even seeing this part on stream... that Stephano was just being polite and his usual carefree self. That does NOT warrant you actually going thru with it and giving Xlord the win. Take, you can't tell this when you're in the fucking room with them? Just as one of the first posts said: If you had to discuss it for more than 2 seconds = Regame. Xlord typing up a little reasoning as to why he thought he had the game won does nothing but continue to show a desperate person trying desperately to get a win any way he can. If he was a real competitor there would be no doubt in his mind that a re-game is the only avenue.... instead it was the exact opposite. this guy all got it right | ||
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Gruendi
Germany1 Post
Either he agrees for a rematch / Bo5 and definitly revokes his hard worked for advantage. Or on the other hand if he dares to argue for his case he looses face. Maybe this is an unpopular opinion, but Xlord seems like the true loser here cause he was put in an such a ungreatfull situation? Personally I think that a rule that extands the series to the next higher gamecount should be the fixed outcome of unclear matches. | ||
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Champloo
Germany1850 Posts
The whole situation is clearly Blizzard's fault and they should get much more hate for this shit, but it seems like people are getting used to the shit of Blizzard. | ||
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DDie
Brazil2369 Posts
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Clarityxo
Scotland174 Posts
You shouldn't feel too bad about it, but you could have handled yourself with a bit more grace(not argued with people discussing the game). Anyway, gl tomorrow you played extremely well. | ||
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Topzerg
64 Posts
On a more serious note, that's quite bad sportmanship and a terrible attitude. I sincerely hope you lose next round. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
(Blizzard, where is LAN play, again? -_-) | ||
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FreAk!
Chile49 Posts
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