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On December 22 2012 10:24 revel8 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2012 10:21 NeutralDepot wrote:
The interesting thing actually is how often disconnects and pc shutdowns happen to Stephano in live Tournaments. Especially when he's in a disadvantagous position. he also likes to play with bare feet or socks. There might be a connection.........
Do you remember his behavior in the game vs BabyK. Delaying the games by eating/BEING ON THE PHONE (WTF???). In generally I'd be pretty reluctant to decide anything in Stephano's favor.
He was on the phone because there was a problem with his computer which needed addressing, they could not play until it got fixed. Next you'll be blaming his socks for the streams going down...
He was also texting after one game. Was that because there was another problem with his computer? Or do you remember when he used an Ipod in the MLG booth during a game against Sase? He was probably listening to some engineer about fixing his computer midgame.
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this was your game, admins should have called it but i can totaly understand that you wouldnt go for a bo5.. sad hsc crew gets all the shit now, but you can only learn from your mistakes.
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On December 22 2012 10:22 Serpico wrote:
If a player used that kind of tone and speech with an official in any real league his ass would be kicked out instantly. It's part of why still think esports is a joke. In the NBA if you get uppity with a ref you get tossed out and if you still refuse to leave the court you get a suspension most likely. It's harder for admins to do their jobs when people try to fuck with them. At the same time admins need to make a decision and tell players to deal with it and don't show up to the tournament next time if you're that upset.
He's not a native speaker. Just look at all those people casting saying "fuck".
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It should've 100% been a re-game.
Unless there's a 100% chance to win, which it wasn't. Whining about it didn't help. Should've taken the Bo5 and not acted like a child.
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On December 22 2012 10:32 KT(Rolster)HaunteR wrote:
It should've 100% been a re-game.
Unless there's a 100% chance to win, which it wasn't. Whining about it didn't help. Should've taken the Bo5 and not acted like a child.
+1
crying like a child "it was a freewin, i was a freewin" when both were somewhere near supply and where everything depends on engagement and even best of players screw up in realy easy situations...
Yes, Xlord was realy ahead and most likely to win that game but its not near 100%. Especialy on that map, especialy in ZvZ, especialy vs Stephano. That game was much closer than Parting vs MKP in GSTL Finals.
It should have been re-game.
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On December 22 2012 10:44 gylka wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2012 10:32 KT(Rolster)HaunteR wrote:
It should've 100% been a re-game.
Unless there's a 100% chance to win, which it wasn't. Whining about it didn't help. Should've taken the Bo5 and not acted like a child. +1 crying like a child "it was a freewin, i was a freewin" when both were somewhere near supply and where everything depends on engagement and even best of players screw up in realy easy situations... Yes, Xlord was realy ahead and most likely to win that game but its not near 100%. Especialy on that map, especialy in ZvZ, especialy vs Stephano. That game was much closer than Parting vs MKP in GSTL Finals. It should have been re-game.
I completely disagree it was probably going to be a win for him? Why force a re match if he was going to win anyway and it was clear then don't take it away from him. I don't think it was crying I think he's right.
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It tells a lot about you that you don't even consider apologizing for your behaviour. 99% in here doesn't care about you getting the win, it is the matter of how you (and HSC) acted...
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On December 22 2012 10:28 NeutralDepot wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2012 10:24 revel8 wrote:On December 22 2012 10:21 NeutralDepot wrote:
The interesting thing actually is how often disconnects and pc shutdowns happen to Stephano in live Tournaments. Especially when he's in a disadvantagous position. he also likes to play with bare feet or socks. There might be a connection.........
Do you remember his behavior in the game vs BabyK. Delaying the games by eating/BEING ON THE PHONE (WTF???). In generally I'd be pretty reluctant to decide anything in Stephano's favor.
He was on the phone because there was a problem with his computer which needed addressing, they could not play until it got fixed. Next you'll be blaming his socks for the streams going down... He was also texting after one game. Was that because there was another problem with his computer? Or do you remember when he used an Ipod in the MLG booth during a game against Sase? He was probably listening to some engineer about fixing his computer midgame.
Texting in between games is fairly common. Scarlett does it often. She sometimes actually posts here at TL in between games. Your conspiracies are very amusing though.
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Not accepting the Bo5 just made you bad mannered. That's your fail, you lost a lot of followers, sad really :/
Good player, but just as he was ahead when he pushed on you and took an unfavourable engagement, you could have blown it the same way. You had some "plan" to win the engagement the same way again, but you didn't know everything, he could have maybe turned it his way in that engagement, but you didn't even accept 2-0 lead in bo5 so you really just let all the fans down, and your own reputation, I think you will have very people rooting for you tomorrow.
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Bad manner or not i think we can all agree it was a cowardly act. If you truly believe you are the superior player i see no reason to deny the re-game or at least the Bo5.
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I wonder how many of you would have acted differently with $10,000 on the line.
No problems with how this went down, shit happens. Notice how nobody is saying "well Stephano should have just conceded the game earlier because it's likely it was over". I find far more problems with a player who was very behind not saying "yeah ok, you had that" than I do with someone who was clearly ahead getting up in arms about a win they had in the bag that may be taken away from them.
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yeah fair enough! I think people is glad you explained it.
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Pretty disgusting to go ape shit and demand win over disconnect game especially at HSC. This whole Xlord attitude reminds me of pub tryhards. Kinda sad.
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I think what you did was BM. I think posting on here makes things worse not better. I can't say this for certain, but I think you might have marred your possible win.
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Admins should have just made the call. If they don't, it always ends up like this.
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Your tone here and the tone you portrayed during the second match against Stephano today does not completely match up. I think a majority of us can agree that you were most likely going to win, but like anyone it was not definitive. It's easy to say you could have done this and that, given that you've had time to analyze your situation and to make a persuasive argument as to how you could have won. Although this completely ignores the side of Stephano where you can't predict a player's reaction completely, so things may have not gone as planned. There's also the issues of positioning and micro. You can say I would have put my army here and there, and fungal this and that, but when you play an RTS game it doesn't always happen to be like that. Sometimes people's control mess up, and we've seen that plenty with progamers even. I'm not trying to take credit away from you, but rather point out that nothing is definitive.
That said, I truly do understand why you would not want a re-game. Most people would agree that you were going to beat Stephano in the second match. In spite of that, it would have been mannered to either re-game or take Snute's advice and extend it to a best of five. If you truly believe you are better than Stephano, then I don't see any reason for you not to heed that suggestion. You would have been up 2-0 in a best of five, and Stephano would have to win three consecutive times in a row. That's pretty difficult, especially when it's a mirror match-up. What you did is not considered illegal or morally wrong, but its not what the fans wanted to see out of a progamer. Sportsmanship is one of the key factors to creating an entertaining sport. E-sports is not an exception. I always like seeing other players leave their booths at tournaments to shake their opponent's hand, no matter whether they lost or won. It's just a matter of sportsmanship. It keeps things civil, the fans are calm, and everyone is happy in general. Although what you did was considered bad sportsmanship, and that sir, is why you are receiving so much hate. Is Stephano had even won three consecutive times in a row to defeat you in a best of five, then does he not deserve it? It's going to be a difficult, bumpy road in order to gain fans and to gain back the ones you have already lost. Especially when you are being individually sponsored by a company like XMG, bad sportsmanship goes a long way in biting in the ass.
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No one cares. The admin made a judgment that both players can accept. The viewer's opinion--the opinion of every person in this thread, save take, xlord, and stephano--doesn't matter. There really is no reason to create this thread.
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Watched the VOD closely and what a bullshit call. and incredibly bad manner shown by Xlord. He is up in supply, and I think he was making 6 roaches. Stephano was down in supply but he made 15 roaches. Stephano had 2-2 upgrades and more hydras by a large amount. Xlord is on 2-0 upgrades but has infestors. All 3 casters say it's too hard to call which automatically should make it a regame since they can't tell what the end result would be.
Xlord is killing the 4th which would get cancelled by Stephano so they have a very equal bank but Xlord has his 4th almost finishing but really it's not enough to decide a game over 1 base especially since Stephano could win the fight and either counter attack and win or kill the 4th of Xlord while he takes his own 4th again.
I'm cringing just watching this how Xlord stood over the caster and calling this a bronze league victory and that's it's 100% win when it's clearly not and how he is hellbent on not accepting any sort of compromise or middle ground.
Gotta say though a big fault in all of this is Take. Sitting on the cough telling the casters to vote(wtf?) and he seems to almost enjoy the situation. Sort your tournament out ffs and get an admin who can make an unbiased call. Having a fun and relaxed tournament is great but this was just trash management.
vod at 3h15min somewhere http://de.twitch.tv/taketv/b/349945540
On December 22 2012 11:37 casualman wrote:
No one cares. The admin made a judgment that both players can accept. The viewer's opinion--the opinion of every person in this thread, save take, xlord, and stephano--doesn't matter. There really is no reason to create this thread.
What admin? There was no admin anywhere to be seen. It was Stephano who asked Xlord what he wanted to do since he didn't want to take 2-0 and he didn't want to take 2-0 into a bo5. It was Stephano who stepped up and gave it away because he was pressured into the situation.
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Sorry but that was really childish behaviour on the stream XlorD. Hope he drops out next round and won't be invited to next HSC..
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"Stephano said he could have the win if he wants it"
So I can tell thru text and not having been there.... and not even seeing this part on stream... that Stephano was just being polite and his usual carefree self. That does NOT warrant you actually going thru with it and giving Xlord the win. Take, you can't tell this when you're in the fucking room with them?
Just as one of the first posts said: If you had to discuss it for more than 2 seconds = Regame.
Xlord typing up a little reasoning as to why he thought he had the game won does nothing but continue to show a desperate person trying desperately to get a win any way he can. If he was a real competitor there would be no doubt in his mind that a re-game is the only avenue.... instead it was the exact opposite.
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