On December 22 2012 07:39 MarkCJ wrote: reddit doesn't seem too happy LOL
No offence to reddit users, but when was reddit ever happy? They bitch, whine and moan at every little opportunity, be it emailing sponsors for minor stuff, witchhunting players who said something stupid or denouncing the work others put up for the community.. TBH I do not think that decision makers around the esports scene should care about reddit even one bit, they will whine regardless...
To be completely honest, there's very little difference between Reddit and the TL forums. Both are kneejerk, witch-hunting, bandwagoning communities.
Only diffrence here is that stupid memes get banned rather than upvoted to the top.
On December 22 2012 08:39 jinorazi wrote: shouldnt the disconnect blame go to.....
blizzard?
That is what is really bothering me, it is like people have forgotten that this shit really cant happen in the other big esport titles(Lan, resume from replay etc), it is just because Blizzard is hamstringing the esports scene with their DRM and piss poor UI this even happened.
I guess people gave up blaming Blizzard after the first big incidents of this happening since apparently they cant solve it in a timely manner.
Been said previously on this page, it's not the disconnect that is causing the majority of the drama, it's XlorD's behavior following the disconnect, disconnects has happened before so often that there is ways you deal with it now.
Yes, and that is stupid, the focus should not be on XlorD at all, even though I think what he did was normal - Athletes in other sports constantly challange the refs calls and if the tournament is run properly the players would have no say in it.
Athletes in other sports acting unprofessionally is not a good reason to do so as well.
Uh, it is their job to act just like that, so they are actually acting professionally.
On December 22 2012 08:39 jinorazi wrote: shouldnt the disconnect blame go to.....
blizzard?
I say admins tbh. DC's happen, sure that is Blizzards fault but the players shouldn't ever have a say in it ever. During a situation like this the admins need to get together and discuss AWAY FROM THE PLAYERS. This whole thread wouldn't have existed if they did their job.
Xlord is ok...if you are ahead and the game somehow get disconnected..you should get the win.. they are professionals..why should they accept a draw when they are ahead..Every single match is important..
On December 22 2012 08:39 jinorazi wrote: shouldnt the disconnect blame go to.....
blizzard?
I say admins tbh. DC's happen, sure that is Blizzards fault but the players shouldn't ever have a say in it ever. During a situation like this the admins need to get together and discuss AWAY FROM THE PLAYERS. This whole thread wouldn't have existed if they did their job.
Resume play from replay is possible in other big esports titles, and it is very possible to do in sc2(Hell, 3rd party managed to make it for sc2). There really is no reason why it is not in sc2. The situation was poorly handled by the tournament but it should not even have been an issue in the first place.
On December 22 2012 08:35 Gropah wrote: Not sure if real XlorD as he only has one post...
Why would it not be XlorD? Not all pros post into TL at all.
And why would it be XlorD? Enough trolls create accounts to make posts like this.
We can do this yes-no thing all night or can just agree that it is indeed XlorD simply because this thread is still open, the staff would've reacted already if this was a troll thread as they like to keep an eye out on threads like these.
It's obvious that you felt like you'd win this game (you obviously were ahead) but it's just as obvious that Stephano didn't feel like he had already lost the game at this point. 60-40, 80-20 it doesn't matter. The professional decision would have been a regame, a conciliatory solution would have been the 2-0 into bo5. All in all I'm pretty sure most people objected less to the decision itself and more to the way you presented yourself. In the end you won the series (the chances of you winning the bo5 with a 2-0 lead would been ridiculously huge anyway) but lost the opportunity to show sportsmanship and character. Your loss imo.
This game was won like 100%. You would´ve to fuck up the engagement so badly if you have 6 freakin infestors in a choke fight situation. Even if you just camp outside you´d get ahead with time. So the pressusre was on Stephano AND time was against him. So either Stephano takes the fight and propably loses because 6 fungals do more damaga than the difference in armysupply, espacially taking into consideration the stun effect, which lets you "freeze" a good fighting position. I really can´t see a progamer losing in such an advantageous and closing situation.
On December 22 2012 08:53 NightElf wrote: Xlord is ok...if you are ahead and the game somehow get disconnected..you should get the win.. they are professionals..why should they accept a draw when they are ahead..Every single match is important..
Lots of people thought Stephano still had a chance to come back. When you see the supplies, upgrades and take the huge map into consideration - IF stephano somehow defended it the game could have changed dramatically (like in MC vs Grubby, MC was ahead, casters said that MC was ahead, MC was ahead in supplies - yet Grubby CRUSHED MC's army). Still I think Xlord would have won that game but the game was not over.
It's ok to not accept the draw. Acting like a stupid kid trying to convince everybody it was a free-win is not ok.
I think as we had snute and TLO casting this, they might have come up with a simpel exemple
they had a game recently where snute ended up having 200/200 and TLO only had 100 supply, he wasnt mining anymore almsot and had no bank while snute was still mining and had a bank (game on metropolis, don't remember the tournament, IPL mb?)
Well, TLO ALMOST WON IT, 100 vs 200 supplay with a much worse deficit
I'm glad someone remembered this. MKP gave violet a rematch in a game he was actually ahead I think. If my memory is correct, Dimaga was actually looking at the replay of that game to help decide the decision. Then MKP just said regame. MKP ended up winning that regame at least, but lost the series.
Therefore, this isn't the first time something like this has happened at home story and players decided on the outcome. There was no big thread or reddit thread made when mkp gave a regame. However, since it was stephano it gets blown up huge. Yes, the admins should have made the decision, but I don't blame xlord for wanting the win.
Could someone please provide a link or at least where I can find the VOD containing this controversy? I'd like to see it myself before making a judgment and I don't see a link in this thread or on Reddit.
Xlord, you should have given the regame. That is the expected etiquette in this situation. What you did was pressure Stephano into conceding the game. Congrats on taking one map from Stephano. That was well done at least. Acts of sportsmanship are long remembered in the community, as are acts of unsportsmanship. I am disappointed in what I saw today. When a player is trying to make a name for themselves they have to be careful they don't get a reputation that makes them unpopular.
Bullshit explanation, easy to say what you could have done. It the heat of the moment, it's something different, especially agains stephano. We have seen games were people were more behind and came back.
On December 22 2012 09:26 revel8 wrote: Xlord, you should have given the regame. That is the expected etiquette in this situation. What you did was pressure Stephano into conceding the game. Congrats on taking one map from Stephano. That was well done at least. Acts of sportsmanship are long remembered in the community, as are acts of unsportsmanship. I am disappointed in what I saw today. When a player is trying to make a name for themselves they have to be careful they don't get a reputation that makes them unpopular.
As a citizen of the United Kingdom, have you ever seen Manchester United argue against a red card given by a referee for the opposing team?
Got nothing to do with sportsmanship. There's 10 grand on the line. I'd argue the toss for that as well. No matter how "friendly" and "fun" the event may be, if being all sportsmanlike and giving up a won game because of a disconnect is going to potentially cost you 10k then don't do it man.
Oh and as for "fans", no offence but Idra is about as sportsmanlike and as good mannered as an unflushed turd in the Olympic village but still somehow maintains a trillion salivating nerds who all drape on his every word. Don't think Xlord has much to worry about.
xlord, please don't listen to all the haters/stephano fanboys. If people decided that you won the match then by all means take the win. It is a competition and it would be unfair if a re-game was decided when you had such a definitive lead. Remember that you can't please everyone on the internet so try to stay on top of your game and not be affected by such drama for tomorrow.
As for people who's calling this a free win-- Please watch the game again, xlord was winning so stop being bias.
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