EPTWhen you look at Parting/MKP or MKP/Violet, those games were even more over imo, and both times they did a regame, which is imo the fairest solution. But a 2-0 lead in a bo5 would have been good as well.
Regarding the Defwin against stephano at HSC VI - Page 7
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Gimmeurladderpoints
Germany372 Posts
When you look at Parting/MKP or MKP/Violet, those games were even more over imo, and both times they did a regame, which is imo the fairest solution. But a 2-0 lead in a bo5 would have been good as well. | ||
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AngryMag
Germany1040 Posts
On December 22 2012 07:47 HTOMario wrote: I'm sorry but I have no idea how to navigate reddit, where are you seeing this? When I type in starcraft or starcraft 2 in the search the posts are months old. Here a little explanation link on how to navigate reddit: http://howtoreddit.wordpress.com/subreddits/navigating/ For some instances of the witchhunting/pitchforking players you could search for Destiny or Stephano related stuff. All minor issues which get completely blown out of proportion with emailing sponsors and shit.. | ||
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gosublade
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darkscream
Canada2310 Posts
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christophequirion
France82 Posts
I guess the regame was the least worst decision, and i feel you let no choice to the admins, and to stephano, but it was the organisator/admins mistake to be too open to public discussion, and to be unclear on what should be a regame and what should not, (yes, ungrateful job and tough call, especially late, after some beers, among friends, out of the blue...) Lesson at least partially learn I'm sure !! | ||
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amitbl
Israel1 Post
Xlord, while I also believe you deserved the win, and must admit you played in a very solid, impressive fashion, I have a problem with your behavior in this fiasco. Obviously the blame should fall mostly on HSC for letting this get out of hand. They should NOT have put this "debate" on air. They should NOT have applied pressure to make a decision in a hurry. They should NOT have picked refs arbitrarily - some of whom did not even want to partake in this (Dima for example). They definitely SHOULD have had clear air tight rules for such an event, and should have followed those to the letter. With all that said, and all the blame put in the proper place, I still think you acted appallingly and childishly. You were selfish and inconsiderate of your fans/viewers and in complete disregard of your very well mannered and extremely skillful opponent - who btw was in the exact same nerve wrecking position you were in. While this whole thing was handled badly by HSC admins, you had no right to give your opinion on possible solutions not to even mention the right to "agree" or "disagree" to those. you didn't even have a right to come forward and explain your position/opinion. You tried to influence the decision making process (as flawed as it was in the first place) with your own personal agenda, while your opponent stood in the back and awaited patiently for the decision to be made knowing very well he should have no say in the matter. your behavior was unsportsmanlike, and downright rude. And to top it all off, you called Stephano BM for getting frustrated at your rude behavior and ending the whole fiasco by just giving you the win? So to sum up my opinion on things: 1. you deserved the win. 2. HSC fucked up. REALLY fucked up. 3. you acted like a dick. no offence. | ||
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Ydriel
Italy516 Posts
That said, I'm sure XlorD could have handled that way better, there are ways and ways to argue and that was not a good one. He's been playing pretty well, so it's a shame he got all that crap thrown at him, but he should take this as an experience and learn to manner up, or he might lose fans pretty fast. | ||
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Laryleprakon
New Zealand9496 Posts
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Cokefreak
Finland8095 Posts
On December 22 2012 08:02 Ydriel wrote: I'm pretty sure we can all agree by now that it was the admins' fault for not enforcing the rules in the first place. Going to the casters (who are players who are still in the tournament, I might say) to ask them to decide is....not a good idea at all. That said, I'm sure XlorD could have handled that way better, there are ways and ways to argue and that was not a good one. He's been playing pretty well, so it's a shame he got all that crap thrown at him, but he should take this as an experience and learn to manner up, or he might lose fans pretty fast. I still think it was a good idea to ask 3 pro players about their decision on the game as they obviously understand it much better, however it should have all happened off stream and so that nobody else besides the admins could hear it because obviously the players felt pressured by the situation and did not want to actually say their opinion. | ||
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christophequirion
France82 Posts
On December 22 2012 07:23 TaKeSeN wrote: Sorry to all of you if this somehow fucked you up. I will not let this happen again. Thanks for your time and i hope you can somehow understand my situation. //Dennis It was not perfect and i can understand that some people are angry and upset. This won t happen again. thanks for you very good job !! Shit happens, but day 4 or HSC7 will be better thanks to this. | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
If so, can we please have admins that take control, it's their job when the tournament is going and not the players... | ||
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FaRess
Tunisia937 Posts
On December 22 2012 08:02 amitbl wrote: I have just registered a user in TL just to reply to this (been a silent observer for a LONG time). Xlord, while I also believe you deserved the win, and must admit you played in a very solid, impressive fashion, I have a problem with your behavior in this fiasco. Obviously the blame should fall mostly on HSC for letting this get out of hand. They should NOT have put this "debate" on air. They should NOT have applied pressure to make a decision in a hurry. They should NOT have picked refs arbitrarily - some of whom did not even want to partake in this (Dima for example). They definitely SHOULD have had clear air tight rules for such an event, and should have followed those to the letter. With all that said, and all the blame put in the proper place, I still think you acted appallingly and childishly. You were selfish and inconsiderate of your fans/viewers and in complete disregard of your very well mannered and extremely skillful opponent - who btw was in the exact same nerve wrecking position you were in. While this whole thing was handled badly by HSC admins, you had no right to give your opinion on possible solutions not to even mention the right to "agree" or "disagree" to those. you didn't even have a right to come forward and explain your position/opinion. You tried to influence the decision making process (as flawed as it was in the first place) with your own personal agenda, while your opponent stood in the back and awaited patiently for the decision to be made knowing very well he should have no say in the matter. your behavior was unsportsmanlike, and downright rude. And to top it all off, you called Stephano BM for getting frustrated at your rude behavior and ending the whole fiasco by just giving you the win? So to sum up my opinion on things: 1. you deserved the win. 2. HSC fucked up. REALLY fucked up. 3. you acted like a dick. no offence. Couldn't have said it better, people don't think your BM because you received the win, it's because the way you acted was outright disgusting, your opponent didn't say anything, while you were throwing words like "free win" to the poor players that had been put in that position. | ||
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Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
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Bocian
Poland259 Posts
On December 22 2012 08:02 amitbl wrote: I have just registered a user in TL just to reply to this (been a silent observer for a LONG time). Xlord, while I also believe you deserved the win, and must admit you played in a very solid, impressive fashion, I have a problem with your behavior in this fiasco. Obviously the blame should fall mostly on HSC for letting this get out of hand. They should NOT have put this "debate" on air. They should NOT have applied pressure to make a decision in a hurry. They should NOT have picked refs arbitrarily - some of whom did not even want to partake in this (Dima for example). They definitely SHOULD have had clear air tight rules for such an event, and should have followed those to the letter. With all that said, and all the blame put in the proper place, I still think you acted appallingly and childishly. You were selfish and inconsiderate of your fans/viewers and in complete disregard of your very well mannered and extremely skillful opponent - who btw was in the exact same nerve wrecking position you were in. While this whole thing was handled badly by HSC admins, you had no right to give your opinion on possible solutions not to even mention the right to "agree" or "disagree" to those. you didn't even have a right to come forward and explain your position/opinion. You tried to influence the decision making process (as flawed as it was in the first place) with your own personal agenda, while your opponent stood in the back and awaited patiently for the decision to be made knowing very well he should have no say in the matter. your behavior was unsportsmanlike, and downright rude. And to top it all off, you called Stephano BM for getting frustrated at your rude behavior and ending the whole fiasco by just giving you the win? So to sum up my opinion on things: 1. you deserved the win. 2. HSC fucked up. REALLY fucked up. 3. you acted like a dick. no offence. Couldn't put it in better words. Btw there is a really good response from Take - and I'm sure this kind of situation won't happen again. | ||
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Hiea
Denmark1538 Posts
On December 22 2012 08:17 Zenbrez wrote: He made his TL account almost 2 years ago and this is his only post :O Tells us how invested he is in this matter! But honestly I don't think you can argue the game shouldn't have been regamed, because especially on metropolis, if Stephano holds the next attack, gets infestors and camps, he can get to 5 bases and then anything can happen, it has happened soooo many times in the past where the game drags out and it ends up even. The most extreme example I can think of recently was DRG vs RorO in GSL Code A in season 4. RorO got behind in each game massively in bases, supply and tech, except upgrades he was ahead. He played well, dragging the game out and just kept picking better fights and ended up winning both games, game 1 he wasn't as far behind, there was also a basetrade which just had everything mixed up, second game DRG was on 3 bases with muta going into infestors, RorO had 2 bases and infestors, massively behind in supply, still won in a 30 minute game. You ask DRG if the disconnect happened when DRG was at the peak of his lead if he think he would lose? He would say no way, he was ahead in every way except upgrades, but he lost in the end. It's an awful situation but the best thing is to regame, and if the "winning" player argues against it then yeah.. nobody will like him. Another time was IPL5 Scarlett vs DRG (one of the matches) Scarlett got behind and just made better decisions later in the game (was also on metropolis) and won. The last time this happened in HSC was MKP vs viOLet where MKP had an even bigger lead than XlorD had, but MKP just decided to call a regame after that, everyone loved MKP for that and started spamming MannerKingPrime, MKP won the regame. | ||
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Reaps
United Kingdom1280 Posts
On December 22 2012 08:21 Bocian wrote: Couldn't put it in better words. Btw there is a really good response from Take - and I'm sure this kind of situation won't happen again. Where can i see the response from Take. | ||
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
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r3fl3x
Turkey6 Posts
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odem
143 Posts
which only reason is to justify his anti-social actions.. still just seeing it from his own point of view and rejecting an objective standpoint that is kinda clear: if there is any doubt --> rematch such a unsympathetic person really. | ||
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IndyO
392 Posts
On December 22 2012 06:35 Kenny_oro wrote: You're not seen as bad mannered for playing a good game. The disconnect wasn't your fault. But what's the pont of arguing with the casters which already were forced in the uncomfortable situation to make a decission. You should've just leaned back to wait for the decission instead of arguing with TLO on stream like a madman. If you're that confident in your skill - why not just take the 20 and extend it to the BO5? Nobody argued about your lead in that game - But a lead doesn't mean freewin. You should know that. Pretty much agree with this, arguing with those in a already awkward scenario helps no one, and if you were so sure you could win taking the win, making it 2-0 and a Bo5 is by far the most even choice. This type of scenarios do suck, so I feel it mostly about making the most even scenario possible. | ||
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