EPTRegarding the Defwin against stephano at HSC VI - Page 5
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Boosebus
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Cokefreak
Finland8096 Posts
On December 22 2012 07:07 Boosebus wrote: And how often do disconnect happend. So, on what preferense should the jury judge on then? On a case by case basis. Let me give an example to show your suggestion doesn't work: PvT base race happens, Protoss left with 1 pylon and some army, Terran with 1 supple depot and some army. Armies clash, what's left is 1 Phoenix for Protoss and 1 marauder for Terran. Usually the Protoss player would gg out but in this case he stays in the game and keeps lifting the marauder trying to delay and suddently a disconnect happens where both players drop from the game and therefore it's a regame. Tell me the Terran would not have 100% won that game and that a regame would be fair in a case like this. | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On December 22 2012 06:34 Hardigan wrote: the games had to be discussed for more than 10 sec. Hence: regame Ummmm, what? That's just the dumbest thing I've ever heard, if they're being thorough then it'll take more than 10 seconds... | ||
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Incomplet
United Kingdom1419 Posts
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splasha
Brazil86 Posts
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TaKeSeN
Germany197 Posts
Hello everyone i would like to give some of my own thoughts: First of all we do have 2 Admins for this tournament and they run the tournament all day long. Before we were discussing the disconnect live on stream we have been talking to xlord and Stephano offcamera and i was talking to one of the admins what he thinks and at some point i saw that this situation is however you call it not fair for one of the players and from my memories i had a tournament in mind which was big too where we had 3 Players who could decide if its a regame or not. We would let them vote secretly and get the best possible decision (from my point of view cause these guys have the biggest knowledge about the game) I asked Stephano/Xlord if this is okay for them and they actually liked the idea. So why should i not do it? In the rules it usually say that the admin has the last word and he can even change the rules spontaneously. I think i could and should have decided it faster but this was a very bad situation for me cause this is homestorycup and usually all players are nice to each other and i didn t wanna have anyone with bad feelings and put up the best solution. So for this i want to appologize it made it bigger than it should have been. I know that this was probably abit of a emotional answer by alex but i think and hope that i can talk to you in private and fix this situation. I also want to mention one thing in alot of leagues when it s not over 100% you decide a regame but if the players agree on a result its over. Stephano said twice to xlord once live in the camera and once off camera that if he wants the win he can take it. All together is just a shit situation and i m happy for Stephano that he still advanced. I talked to him after the MMA series and at least he told me that i shouldnt be sad or have bad feelings cause now thats what i actually have. Sorry to all of you if this somehow fucked you up. I will not let this happen again. Thanks for your time and i hope you can somehow understand my situation. //Dennis It was not perfect and i can understand that some people are angry and upset. This won t happen again. | ||
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Diavlo
Belgium2915 Posts
On December 22 2012 07:11 VirgilSC2 wrote: Really amusing that in a very similar point in a certain infamous PartinG vs MKP game people were angry and wanted the freewin for PartinG. This game was closer than the MKP-Parting one because Xlord looked like he wanted to take the fight. And at that point it was 165 supply with 2-2 and the defender's advantage against 180 supply with 2-0 and the better army. Not a situation you can clearly call. That's why casters were scared about Xlord not pulling back. | ||
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spaZps
52 Posts
On December 22 2012 07:13 Darkhoarse wrote: Do not worry Xlord you seem like a pretty manner guy who was just trying to do what was right. You were going to win that game very few people would debate that. Quite honestly the only reason that there are so many angry people right now is because it is Stephano and he has so many die-hard fans. Against most any other player this would not be such a big deal. I have to say props to Stephano though for immediately saying on Twitter that it was not your fault. I just wish the admins had a system in place and had made the decision quickly and decisively and the random drama could have been avoided. that not the thing. there were a lot of decesion for a regame, when the player was even more behind MKP vs Parting GSTL finals. Nobody gonna denie he is gonna win the game probaly 90% of the time. Ppl just hate him, because the way he acted. He put emotianal pressure on the other player who didnt wanna deceided anyway. Its just bm and he didnt act like a champion and he even was still bitching around after stephano was fed up and gave him the win. The only person who actully was aware of the mess, was TLO. He said they should discuss it of stream. Its too 100% regame. Admin messed up and Xlord acted poor. Way to get fans. Arroganz is fine, but the lack of respect was awful. | ||
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jsrnn
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On December 22 2012 07:23 TaKeSeN wrote: Hey this is what i wrote on reddit. Hello everyone i would like to give some of my own thoughts: First of all we do have 2 Admins for this tournament and they run the tournament all day long. Before we were discussing the disconnect live on stream we have been talking to xlord and Stephano offcamera and i was talking to one of the admins what he thinks and at some point i saw that this situation is however you call it not fair for one of the players and from my memories i had a tournament in mind which was big too where we had 3 Players who could decide if its a regame or not. We would let them vote secretly and get the best possible decision (from my point of view cause these guys have the biggest knowledge about the game) I asked Stephano/Xlord if this is okay for them and they actually liked the idea. So why should i not do it? In the rules it usually say that the admin has the last word and he can even change the rules spontaneously. I think i could and should have decided it faster but this was a very bad situation for me cause this is homestorycup and usually all players are nice to each other and i didn t wanna have anyone with bad feelings and put up the best solution. So for this i want to appologize it made it bigger than it should have been. I know that this was probably abit of a emotional answer by alex but i think and hope that i can talk to you in private and fix this situation. I also want to mention one thing in alot of leagues when it s not over 100% you decide a regame but if the players agree on a result its over. Stephano said twice to xlord once live in the camera and once off camera that if he wants the win he can take it. All together is just a shit situation and i m happy for Stephano that he still advanced. I talked to him after the MMA series and at least he told me that i shouldnt be sad or have bad feelings cause now thats what i actually have. Sorry to all of you if this somehow fucked you up. I will not let this happen again. Thanks for your time and i hope you can somehow understand my situation. //Dennis It was not perfect and i can understand that some people are angry and upset. This won t happen again. good response. i think they did that player thing in the teamliquid star league. they had a few players look at a replay and determine what to do about it. they did a huge ass write up after the fact too to show their thinking. i dont think thats necessary here, but it was nice to see it there. | ||
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HolyExlxF
United States256 Posts
Disconnect happens = regame. Every time. | ||
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TrickyGilligan
United States641 Posts
On December 22 2012 07:11 VirgilSC2 wrote: Really amusing that in a very similar point in a certain infamous PartinG vs MKP game people were angry and wanted the freewin for PartinG. MKP had something like 2 marauders and 10 supply... while both ended in regames, I don't think you can really compare them. If Parting had been attacked by deadly ninjas at that point in the game, he still probably would have won despite all the stab wounds. Stephano at least had a chance for a comeback, even if it was slim. The GSTL was also unfortunate enough to turn a very interesting series into a one sided stomping with that one regame, which colored a lot of people's opinions of it. I think the only solution is to have skilled admins who know the game inside out. There's no good way to make a rule to govern all disconnects. It should be left in the hands of those in charge, but those in charge need to be held to higher standards of professionalism and game knowledge. | ||
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RUFinalBoss
United States266 Posts
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Cokefreak
Finland8096 Posts
On December 22 2012 07:23 TaKeSeN wrote: Hey this is what i wrote on reddit. Hello everyone i would like to give some of my own thoughts: First of all we do have 2 Admins for this tournament and they run the tournament all day long. Before we were discussing the disconnect live on stream we have been talking to xlord and Stephano offcamera and i was talking to one of the admins what he thinks and at some point i saw that this situation is however you call it not fair for one of the players and from my memories i had a tournament in mind which was big too where we had 3 Players who could decide if its a regame or not. We would let them vote secretly and get the best possible decision (from my point of view cause these guys have the biggest knowledge about the game) I asked Stephano/Xlord if this is okay for them and they actually liked the idea. So why should i not do it? In the rules it usually say that the admin has the last word and he can even change the rules spontaneously. I think i could and should have decided it faster but this was a very bad situation for me cause this is homestorycup and usually all players are nice to each other and i didn t wanna have anyone with bad feelings and put up the best solution. So for this i want to appologize it made it bigger than it should have been. I know that this was probably abit of a emotional answer by alex but i think and hope that i can talk to you in private and fix this situation. I also want to mention one thing in alot of leagues when it s not over 100% you decide a regame but if the players agree on a result its over. Stephano said twice to xlord once live in the camera and once off camera that if he wants the win he can take it. All together is just a shit situation and i m happy for Stephano that he still advanced. I talked to him after the MMA series and at least he told me that i shouldnt be sad or have bad feelings cause now thats what i actually have. Sorry to all of you if this somehow fucked you up. I will not let this happen again. Thanks for your time and i hope you can somehow understand my situation. //Dennis It was not perfect and i can understand that some people are angry and upset. This won t happen again. The decision to ask the 3 pros and have them vote in secret wass a good one, and it should've gone through, it's too bad it went messy like this especially when XLord came to defend his position to the 3 people who were already feeling pressured to make a decision ON STREAM. Next time make sure you just pull to commercials or show Looping Louey or something while making the decision and make sure the players can't affect the decision. I'm sure you will do your best to assure this doesn't happen again  Take & HSC fighting, thanks for the awesome tournament so far! | ||
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CajunMan
United States823 Posts
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Keeemy
Finland7855 Posts
You showed no sportsmanship whatsoever. Swearing and calling it "free win" was uncalled for. Violet vs MKP in HSC IV, anyone? | ||
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WarrickHunt
United Kingdom393 Posts
On December 22 2012 06:38 Solarsail wrote: Either decision wouldn't have reflected badly on you. Standing there arguing (and looking like you persuaded the admins to change their decision based on nothing but emotional appeal) was the problem. This right here. Too argue against the people making a decision so much to change their mind is what made you look BM. I personally dont think the game was anywhere near over enough to not be a regame, just a messy situation overall and you didnt help it | ||
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AngryMag
Germany1040 Posts
On December 22 2012 06:31 XlorD wrote: Hey Guys, I understand that you are confused and a bit disappointed in the decision somehow, but however to explain it: In the first fight between my 2nd and 3rd base I took a similar fight against him (Infestor Roach on my side - and Hydra Roach on his side) and I fungaled <- the left side to fight on the right for a few seconds uncontested by the left side which couldnt move (obviously) and took the fight pretty convincingly. I was going to do the exact same thing in the fight in front of his natural when the game dropped. I would've fight the left side (just a few hydras and roaches) and fungaled the right side (the main army). I also had 5 roaches at his 4th base (it was gone basically) while my base was up already. So the game was mine and I knew that. However I understand that there are some discussions about the situatiuation and games were also lost while having this kind of lead - but I played really solid in both games in my opinion. I am really disappointed that the game had to end like this (connection somehow broke) and I am sad aswell, since now I seem like a bad mannered player. I am happy to see stephano making it out of the group and I would like to face him again while HSC VI and I appreciate his courage, to agree to the Win as it stands. I hope you guys enjoy the remaining games and playoffs tomorrow - I will try my best and I hope I wont be "mindfucked" tomorrow. I also feel sorry for DIMAGA and Snute, to be put in such a situation thx for reading. On December 22 2012 07:23 TaKeSeN wrote: Hey this is what i wrote on reddit. Hello everyone i would like to give some of my own thoughts: First of all we do have 2 Admins for this tournament and they run the tournament all day long. Before we were discussing the disconnect live on stream we have been talking to xlord and Stephano offcamera and i was talking to one of the admins what he thinks and at some point i saw that this situation is however you call it not fair for one of the players and from my memories i had a tournament in mind which was big too where we had 3 Players who could decide if its a regame or not. We would let them vote secretly and get the best possible decision (from my point of view cause these guys have the biggest knowledge about the game) I asked Stephano/Xlord if this is okay for them and they actually liked the idea. So why should i not do it? In the rules it usually say that the admin has the last word and he can even change the rules spontaneously. I think i could and should have decided it faster but this was a very bad situation for me cause this is homestorycup and usually all players are nice to each other and i didn t wanna have anyone with bad feelings and put up the best solution. So for this i want to appologize it made it bigger than it should have been. I know that this was probably abit of a emotional answer by alex but i think and hope that i can talk to you in private and fix this situation. I also want to mention one thing in alot of leagues when it s not over 100% you decide a regame but if the players agree on a result its over. Stephano said twice to xlord once live in the camera and once off camera that if he wants the win he can take it. All together is just a shit situation and i m happy for Stephano that he still advanced. I talked to him after the MMA series and at least he told me that i shouldnt be sad or have bad feelings cause now thats what i actually have. Sorry to all of you if this somehow fucked you up. I will not let this happen again. Thanks for your time and i hope you can somehow understand my situation. //Dennis It was not perfect and i can understand that some people are angry and upset. This won t happen again. Don't know if you 2 still read the thread but whatever. XLord, you did nothing wrong, you argued your case perhaps a bit too heated up, but that's no biggie. I understand that you win this game 99 out of 100 times. I am sure that the large majority of the community is not angry about the incident, just a little but vocal minority who likes to bitch,whine and moan about everything. You did nothing wrong and you don't need to explain yourself. GL for the rest of the tourney Take, I can also understand your reasoning, could have been handled better, but hindsight is always king You shouldn't be upset either, again the large majority of the community loves the stuff you do, they just remain silent because they are content, you shouldn't get upset over some angry nerds who literally bitch at everything from the safety of their armchair. I hope you keep doing awesome stuff for usHSC is awesome as always so far, hope you can keep the high standard up! | ||
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coolcor
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Cokefreak
Finland8096 Posts
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