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On December 22 2012 20:36 Yamoth wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2012 20:08 Prox wrote:
Next time Stephano meets Xlord in a tournament again he should pull his own networkplug in the first 10 seconds of the game. From there enforce the rules of: I'm 66:33 favorite in this game (since all the admins thought at least so), so it's a clear win for me. Do that 2 times in a BO3. <1min win. I've seen some retarded post in my life, and this is definitely top 10. A replay if the game is not 100% win is a pretty dumb rule also. Using these logic and argument. Any time a player find themselves making a bad judgement call such as getting cheesed or having a failed cheese. They can simply "pull the plug" and demand a regame. The Xlord have a big enough advantage as it is so that if the game proceed as it normally would, Xlord would be the winner. Sure, there could be a ling run by, or someone taken a wrench to Xlord knee, but that still doesn't change the fact that he was heavily favored to win at the time of the disconnect. If I was the ref, I would of given Xlord the win but offer him the option of a regame if he want to be a good sport about it. Either way, the game was advantageous enough right before the disconnect for Xlord that the decision for a regame should be left to him.
thats imo a really douchy way to let the player become the bad guy, if the win was rightfully his, he should have to choose between coming off as a good guy for the community (people would flame him if he choose to take the victory) OR claim something that is rightfully (imo) his.
Anyways I cant believe that people are making such a big deal out of this, to anyone who has any kind of sense whatsoever when it comes to analyzing and predicting whats going to happen, it was a CLEAR win for xlord.
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am i the only one who doesn't understand all the drama about this?
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On December 22 2012 22:19 TheSir wrote:
am i the only one who doesn't understand all the drama about this?
You, Sir, are not alone.^^
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You had like 80% chance to win that game and you decided to steal Stephano's 20% chance to win by acting like a child.
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On December 22 2012 22:57 asdf3455 wrote:
You had like 80% chance to win that game and you decided to steal Stephano's 20% chance to win by acting like a child.
You might consider not calling other people a child, when you look at what text you're producing.
Everything is said here, let this thread die now and have fun with HSC Day 4
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Wait, so Xlord shit his pants to get a default win after a disconnection? And we're somehow okay with it? What if during the GSTL drop one of the players got up and started shitting himself when they called a regame? He would have been DQ'd is what. But somehow, when it's a foreigner, we say "Oh, okay. That's fine. Stephano was the bigger man and refused to act unprofessionally, so we're going to assume that everything is okay with the situation."
No. Just because Stephano didn't stoop down to Xlord's level doesn't mean that Stephano is either okay with what happened or that what Xlord did is okay. All that means is that Stephano has a fucking 100,000 dollar contract to worry about, and Xlord had....a 2-0 over Stephano to worry about.
I'm all for Alex Garfield barring EG players from the next HSC. Whenever you have admins, but you let a three pros decide in an effort to promote fairness, but then you let one of the players pitch an epic shit fit to sway them, you don't know what you're doing. That was at least two times (not using admins, letting Xlord weigh in) where Take failed Stephano. And we're supposed to just say okay because Stephano advanced?
Please. If this happened at an MLG where Idra/Demuslim DC'd and Idra pitched a fit until he got the win from the admins these boards would call for no less than Sundance to fire whichever admin let it happen. I'm not calling for that from Take, far from it, I'm just calling for people to hold tournaments to the same level of "okay, you fucked up."
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I think Xlord had the game 85-95%. With Stephano agreeing to a defwin I think everything is ok.
However it would definately have been better to decide it of stream and without the players in question nearby.
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It's a bad situation for everyone involved and nobodies fault really. We should just move on since Take already said that he will try to handle future situations like this one in a better way. There is nothing more to this. HSC is such a great event and should have enough credit built up that we as a community shouldn't whine and bitch about every mistake.
Xlord is a great character to have in Esports and I will continue to root for him.
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On December 22 2012 20:45 Shade_CsT wrote:
Resume from Replay feature will save eSports in situation like this one.
Would have been truly awesome because you then you could get a bronze player to resume vs Stephano and let the outcome decide the controversy.
On December 22 2012 11:37 casualman wrote:
No one cares. The admin made a judgment that both players can accept. The viewer's opinion--the opinion of every person in this thread, save take, xlord, and stephano--doesn't matter. There really is no reason to create this thread.
It seems a lot of viewers care. And if a lot of viewers care, then the sponsors care. And if the sponsors care, everyone cares. Glad I could clear this up for you.
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Xlord cud have gain a huge amount of fan by his performance but he rly acted like a douche and it wasnt professional at all.
Everyone know this should be a regame in any other official league. They should at least keep the decision between Admin or ppl outside the game, they made a decision and Xlord just cry for a freewin ?
He shoudnt be able to influence the decision, That's retarded.
If we disregard the fact, he did a great run at homestory cup, So congratz to him. but its sad, even if he win the tournament now, a lot of PPL (me included) won't give a shit. he gain a lot of haters that day
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On December 22 2012 19:05 aTnClouD wrote:
I got eye cancer and several brain metastasis reading the angry posts on this thread. Good that you can throw your frustration here, hope you guys are better people in real life.
I can't agree more. Holy fuck people spewing out nonsense these days.
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http://de.twitch.tv/taketv/b/349945540
Discussion starts at around 3:15
That is not a decided game, I have to say. It should most definitely have been a regame. To say that it was 90-95% decided is plain wrong. I rate the advantage of XlorD as being in the 65-70% range.
It is very hard being the aggressor in ZvZ. We've seen time and time again how advantages can easily be given away through over-extensions. In this situation, XlorD has a 22 food advantage (8 from drones; 189 vs 167), a 700 mineral advantage, both are on three bases mining bases (XlorD will be able to take his 4th faster). Stephano has 2-2 versus the 2-0 of XlorD. If XlorD fights immediately, he will be taking a fight down in army-supply at the area of fighting (Part of his army is coming across the map, part of his army is at stephano's fourth) and 10 hydras down.
It is certainly not obvious that he would win that fight. How many times have we seen Stephano taking great engagements?
If XlorD takes out the fourth, Stephano can turtle, produce infestors (tech is ready) and retake his fourth. Then we would be in "let's get to hive" area, and it is very much up in the air who wins.
The game should certainly not have been given to XlorD. I even doubt whether Snute's solution of giving XlorD the map and changing into a bo5 would have been fair to Stephano. Stephano acted kindly to the agitated XlorD and the tournament, but it was a sacrifice he should never have been asked to make.
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On December 22 2012 22:57 asdf3455 wrote:
You had like 80% chance to win that game and you decided to steal Stephano's 20% chance to win by acting like a child.
You had like 80% chance to not post something ridiculous and you decided to take your 20% chance to embarass yourself by acting like a child.
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On December 22 2012 22:57 asdf3455 wrote:
You had like 80% chance to win that game and you decided to steal Stephano's 20% chance to win by acting like a child.
Ok, then by your number, regame will steal Xlord's 30%(80%-50%) chance to win.
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On December 22 2012 19:05 aTnClouD wrote:
I got eye cancer and several brain metastasis reading the angry posts on this thread. Good that you can throw your frustration here, hope you guys are better people in real life.
Funny how the post of the guy actually there gets completely ignored because it points out the idiocy in this thread. I guess completely blow things out of proportion is fine if it makes sure you can use your beloved pitchforks.
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Well you just wanted to take the win eventhough you knew that lead in the game doesnt really mean a free win. You didnt deserve the free win, the bo5 would have been fair.
So yes, you are seen as bad mannered, because thats what you did, sorry but this is how it is.
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On December 23 2012 00:38 Kompicek wrote:
Well you just wanted to take the win eventhough you knew that lead in the game doesnt really mean a free win. You didnt deserve the free win, the bo5 would have been fair.
So yes, you are seen as bad mannered, because thats what you did, sorry but this is how it is.
Please use words appropriately. A "free win" is when your opponent forfeits or just gets run over. A "free win" is NOT when you play the game, gather an advantage, and then there's a disconnect while you have that advantage.
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On December 22 2012 23:01 Mauldo wrote:
Wait, so Xlord shit his pants to get a default win after a disconnection? And we're somehow okay with it? What if during the GSTL drop one of the players got up and started shitting himself when they called a regame? He would have been DQ'd is what. But somehow, when it's a foreigner, we say "Oh, okay. That's fine. Stephano was the bigger man and refused to act unprofessionally, so we're going to assume that everything is okay with the situation."
No. Just because Stephano didn't stoop down to Xlord's level doesn't mean that Stephano is either okay with what happened or that what Xlord did is okay. All that means is that Stephano has a fucking 100,000 dollar contract to worry about, and Xlord had....a 2-0 over Stephano to worry about.
I'm all for Alex Garfield barring EG players from the next HSC. Whenever you have admins, but you let a three pros decide in an effort to promote fairness, but then you let one of the players pitch an epic shit fit to sway them, you don't know what you're doing. That was at least two times (not using admins, letting Xlord weigh in) where Take failed Stephano. And we're supposed to just say okay because Stephano advanced?
Please. If this happened at an MLG where Idra/Demuslim DC'd and Idra pitched a fit until he got the win from the admins these boards would call for no less than Sundance to fire whichever admin let it happen. I'm not calling for that from Take, far from it, I'm just calling for people to hold tournaments to the same level of "okay, you fucked up."
Take already admitted he fucked up, and everybody agrees it wasn't all fine. What do you want? You're free to hate xlord now, but do you think every player who argues with a referee should be disqualified? Would that apply to conventional sports as well?
There is no optimal solution to half-won games crashing. You award the win, you rob the disadvantaged player of his 20% chance; you replay the match, you rob the leading player of his lead, and possibly his strategy which now has been revealed.
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I'm not sure it was that much of an advantage for Xlord at all. Supplies were similar and in this game, one engagement can tip the battle into anyone's favor.
Sure Xlord had his 4th coming up, but he wouldn't have mined enough gas for it to show up as a huge advantage yet. If Stephano took the won the battle, he could've easily double expanded and be in a better position. Also, he's playing against Stephano, so it's very hard to say that you're going to outposition 100% of the time and engage better.
Game should've been a regame in my opinion.
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No LAN is killing eSports. 
Some really bad manner posts here, you would think the posters were the ones in the tournament! It's these guys job to get the win, this merely shows that they take it seriously. Hell if it was me I would do the same as xlord. Not one person here can say otherwise, honestly.
Anyway, this should just be like rugby. Doesn't matter what your opinion is, all that matters is when the ref says happened. When the admins say purple is red, well.... purple is red 
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