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Regarding the Defwin against stephano at HSC VI - Page 16

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Douillos
Profile Joined May 2010
France3195 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-22 10:33:57
December 22 2012 10:33 GMT
#301
wrong thread
Look a giraffe! Look a fist!!
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
December 22 2012 10:35 GMT
#302
Thanks God Stephano didn't try to argue. His don't-give-a-shit attitude definitely has good sides.
ॐ
Kanaz
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark658 Posts
December 22 2012 10:40 GMT
#303
In the heat of the battle.. Ofc Xlord is getting heated up after winning a major battle, and probably making the best results so far in his career.
The admins should decide for themselves and not getting influenced by players, because they are obviously emotional involved.
GG Xlord, continue your epic run!
Azhrak
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland1196 Posts
December 22 2012 10:43 GMT
#304
An admin's point of view:

It definitely should have been a regame.

In general, admins should have the confidence to make the call without consulting any players. Especially, the disconnecting parties should not be listened while making the decision. Just look at the rules and play by them. If the game has to be 100% over for it to be a win for either player, then it should not be hard to look at the replay and see if it was really over. I have made a few regame calls, but never had to give a win in a disconnect. Usually an admin decision is not even needed because the disconnect happens in an even situation and the players just agree to a regame.

The offered BO5 was a bad idea in my opinion because it clearly wasn't in the rules. Of course the admins usually retain the right to change the rules if necessary, but that is normally reserved for surprising situations, not for cases that are already clearly stated in the rules. However, I don't know if they have any rules at HCS6, but I assume they do.
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Nadrel
Profile Joined December 2012
Belgium7 Posts
December 22 2012 10:43 GMT
#305
In the heat of the battle.. Ofc Xlord is getting heated up after winning a major battle, and probably making the best results so far in his career.
The admins should decide for themselves and not getting influenced by players, because they are obviously emotional involved.
GG Xlord, continue your epic run!


Totally agree, go go Xlord/Stephano ^^

(although i'm for a Grubby vs TLO finals :p)
Fenrax
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States5018 Posts
December 22 2012 10:48 GMT
#306
On December 22 2012 19:35 endy wrote:
Thanks God Stephano didn't try to argue. His don't-give-a-shit attitude definitely has good sides.


You mean his great sportmanship?
Roman666
Profile Joined April 2012
Poland1440 Posts
December 22 2012 10:51 GMT
#307
On December 22 2012 19:40 Kanaz wrote:
In the heat of the battle.. Ofc Xlord is getting heated up after winning a major battle, and probably making the best results so far in his career.
The admins should decide for themselves and not getting influenced by players, because they are obviously emotional involved.
GG Xlord, continue your epic run!

There should not be such thing as a heat of the battle, anger and emotion at HSC. But, as some people pointed out, it is a breaktrough tournament for him, I can partially understand why he did what he did. Probably emotions took the best of him. I don't hold any grudge against the guy, hell I don't know what I would do there, I wish him all the best in his career.

I think that in the future he should be more mindful of how his actions are going to be perceived, because as of the moment many people consider him to be a top dickhead of SC2 and if he wont produce any results in the future he will be either competely forgotten about or remembered as the one who put a crack on HSC image with that stunt.
Fenrax
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States5018 Posts
December 22 2012 11:02 GMT
#308
On December 22 2012 19:51 Roman666 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2012 19:40 Kanaz wrote:
In the heat of the battle.. Ofc Xlord is getting heated up after winning a major battle, and probably making the best results so far in his career.
The admins should decide for themselves and not getting influenced by players, because they are obviously emotional involved.
GG Xlord, continue your epic run!

There should not be such thing as a heat of the battle, anger and emotion at HSC. But, as some people pointed out, it is a breaktrough tournament for him, I can partially understand why he did what he did. Probably emotions took the best of him. I don't hold any grudge against the guy, hell I don't know what I would do there, I wish him all the best in his career.

I think that in the future he should be more mindful of how his actions are going to be perceived, because as of the moment many people consider him to be a top dickhead of SC2 and if he wont produce any results in the future he will be either competely forgotten about or remembered as the one who put a crack on HSC image with that stunt.


Only for some people. For me his actions were completely understandable and justified. He had the game won, there was no need for false modesty. I bet the people whining about his actions are the same people that whine about emotionless Koreans.
Nadrel
Profile Joined December 2012
Belgium7 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-22 11:05:52
December 22 2012 11:03 GMT
#309
How do you want someone not to react when all his efforts to a close victory might be considered NULL just before him. He had the right to argue about his victory, the admins had the duty not to take him into account This is why, usually protagonists aren't present in these cases.

Edit: same as above
Edit 2 : I don't say that the victory should have been given to him or the game should have been replayed, just that he did nothing wrong and all the rage on this thread is stupid.
GunSec
Profile Joined February 2010
1095 Posts
December 22 2012 11:06 GMT
#310
ffs just let him get the win, its his first time cashing in a big tournament and maybe last time as well(?)
Prox
Profile Joined July 2010
Netherlands174 Posts
December 22 2012 11:08 GMT
#311
Next time Stephano meets Xlord in a tournament again he should pull his own networkplug in the first 10 seconds of the game. From there enforce the rules of: I'm 66:33 favorite in this game (since all the admins thought at least so), so it's a clear win for me. Do that 2 times in a BO3. <1min win.
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mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
December 22 2012 11:09 GMT
#312
respect to xlord for this, it was the admin's fault for putting the players in such a position
Baptista
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Poland141 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-22 11:12:31
December 22 2012 11:12 GMT
#313
During 2012 Summer Olympics a sudden accident shocked the audience. In the middle of a highly anticipated 100m sprint a meteor, 2m in radius, hit the track fully destroying it. Luckly nobody was hurt. At the time of the hit Usain Bolt was 5 meters ahead of his opponents and was sure to win. Everybody knew his lead and skill was substantial and insurmountable. As a result the judges decided not to repeat the run and award Usain the gold medal due to his early lead.
TheSwamp
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1497 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-22 11:17:51
December 22 2012 11:16 GMT
#314
nvm
MLG: How is your Protoss? Idra: I make Blink Stalkers, so really, really good.
Awesomeness
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany1361 Posts
December 22 2012 11:20 GMT
#315
On December 22 2012 20:06 GunSec wrote:
ffs just let him get the win, its his first time cashing in a big tournament and maybe last time as well(?)


Why would it be the last time? xlord had a great wc3 career and is now a full-time pro, he definitely showed his potential in this tournament.

People really need to give this guy a break. Ofc he was pissed and emotional after a disconnect like this. I guess there wasn't enough drama lately so people need to blow this out of proportion.
xlord 5:0
k3n705
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada134 Posts
December 22 2012 11:25 GMT
#316
I really don't like that XlorD continues to call the situation a freewin or "defwin". Of course the pros, and even the players involved, can analyze the replay all they want but unless the game is completely and obviously 100% won, pros can make mistakes, and pros can make comebacks. I don't think a 15 minute long discussion between 4-5 people with multiple replay viewings indicates this as an obvious choice.
Meatex
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia285 Posts
December 22 2012 11:29 GMT
#317
people only hating on xlord cause he isn't well know
If roles were reversed and stephano had a noticeable lead when connection dropped and he argued for a defwin all of you would be here defending him
stfu and stop acting like children
If you can honestly say you wouldn't have reacted the same you either have neurological or psychological condition prohibiting proper emotional responses or you simply don't care enough to be able to make it to such a tournament
Really, why is real cheese so hard to come by in Korea? ^&^
Fresi
Profile Joined July 2011
Switzerland35 Posts
December 22 2012 11:30 GMT
#318
admins, i call it dennis, made the mistake. first of all, they shouldnt argue with the involved players.

the biggest disappointment was dennis, after stephano giving xlord the freewin. He was pretty happy about that...
nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
December 22 2012 11:36 GMT
#319
On December 22 2012 20:12 Baptista wrote:
During 2012 Summer Olympics a sudden accident shocked the audience. In the middle of a highly anticipated 100m sprint a meteor, 2m in radius, hit the track fully destroying it. Luckly nobody was hurt. At the time of the hit Usain Bolt was 5 meters ahead of his opponents and was sure to win. Everybody knew his lead and skill was substantial and insurmountable. As a result the judges decided not to repeat the run and award Usain the gold medal due to his early lead.



i don't understand, what are you trying to say?
*@boesthius' FF7 nostalgia stream bomb* "we should work on a 'Final Progamer' fangame»whitera can be a protagonist---lastlie: "we save world and then defense it"
Yamoth
Profile Joined February 2009
United States315 Posts
December 22 2012 11:36 GMT
#320
On December 22 2012 20:08 Prox wrote:
Next time Stephano meets Xlord in a tournament again he should pull his own networkplug in the first 10 seconds of the game. From there enforce the rules of: I'm 66:33 favorite in this game (since all the admins thought at least so), so it's a clear win for me. Do that 2 times in a BO3. <1min win.


I've seen some retarded post in my life, and this is definitely top 10. A replay if the game is not 100% win is a pretty dumb rule also. Using these logic and argument. Any time a player find themselves making a bad judgement call such as getting cheesed or having a failed cheese. They can simply "pull the plug" and demand a regame.

The Xlord have a big enough advantage as it is so that if the game proceed as it normally would, Xlord would be the winner. Sure, there could be a ling run by, or someone taken a wrench to Xlord knee, but that still doesn't change the fact that he was heavily favored to win at the time of the disconnect. If I was the ref, I would of given Xlord the win but offer him the option of a regame if he want to be a good sport about it. Either way, the game was advantageous enough right before the disconnect for Xlord that the decision for a regame should be left to him.
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