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Regarding the Defwin against stephano at HSC VI - Page 6

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coolcor
Profile Joined February 2011
520 Posts
December 21 2012 22:38 GMT
#101
On December 22 2012 07:37 Cokefreak wrote:
Because it no longer works.


Oh that's to bad.
LimeNade
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2125 Posts
December 21 2012 22:39 GMT
#102
The situation should have never happened. Players should have zero and absolutely zero say / comments on the outcome of a disconnected match. The tournament admins should have the first and final call on the outcome of disconnects whether its right or wrong in the players mind and that should be it.
JD, need I say more? :D
dabom88
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3483 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-21 22:40:35
December 21 2012 22:39 GMT
#103
We HAVE a program to resume games from replays, don't we?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=328785

Edit: Ninja'd.
You should not have to pay to watch the GSL, Proleague, or OSL at a reasonable time. That is not "fine" and it's BS to say otherwise. My sig since 2011. http://www.youtube.com/user/dabom88
MarkCJ
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada239 Posts
December 21 2012 22:39 GMT
#104
reddit doesn't seem too happy LOL
"Roses are red, QoP is blue, Anti-Mage is imba, so fuck you." Startale_Life | SKT_Bisu Hwaiting!
Cokefreak
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland8096 Posts
December 21 2012 22:39 GMT
#105
On December 22 2012 07:39 dabom88 wrote:
We HAVE a program to resume games from replays, don't we?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=328785

It doesn't work anymore.
Cokefreak
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland8096 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-21 22:40:13
December 21 2012 22:40 GMT
#106
On December 22 2012 07:39 MarkCJ wrote:
reddit doesn't seem too happy LOL

Reddit is reddit, disregard them.
Edit: Sorry double post -.-
LittLeD
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden7973 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-21 22:44:06
December 21 2012 22:41 GMT
#107
I very much agree with you XlorD, it was 100 % your win. The after-game situation shouldn't had been shown on stream, but that was pretty much the only mistake that occurred. Both you and Stephano agreed, so that was that.

Glad to see both of you go through.

Also: The HSC has been freaking amazing so far.
☆Grubby ☆| Tod|DeMusliM|ThorZaiN|SaSe|Moon|Mana| ☆HerO ☆
MCXD
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Australia2738 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-21 22:42:34
December 21 2012 22:41 GMT
#108
You really can't blame Xlord or Stephano for this. Any headaches and stupidity caused by this rests on the shoulders of the HSC admins. Regame or otherwise.
AngryMag
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany1040 Posts
December 21 2012 22:43 GMT
#109
On December 22 2012 07:39 MarkCJ wrote:
reddit doesn't seem too happy LOL


No offence to reddit users, but when was reddit ever happy? They bitch, whine and moan at every little opportunity, be it emailing sponsors for minor stuff, witchhunting players who said something stupid or denouncing the work others put up for the community.. TBH I do not think that decision makers around the esports scene should care about reddit even one bit, they will whine regardless...
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
December 21 2012 22:45 GMT
#110
On December 22 2012 07:39 MarkCJ wrote:
reddit doesn't seem too happy LOL

stop. the. presses.
GABAergic
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1 Post
December 21 2012 22:46 GMT
#111
The game was not won, no one is arguing that Xlord wasn't ahead. Admins can clearly see that there is a defender's advantage, upgrade advantage, infestor disadvantage, and a base disadvantage for Stephano. There is no way someone can call this game over for Xlord. TLO had it right: if there is a chance the other player can take it within reasonable means, then there should be a re-game.

Note: Players should not decide anything because they cannot be considered objective parties, blind vote or not.

Additionally, Xlord made a fool of himself unfortunately. Quite unprofessional action by many parties.
Diminisherqc
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada220 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-21 22:46:37
December 21 2012 22:46 GMT
#112
On December 22 2012 07:41 MCXD wrote:
You really can't blame Xlord or Stephano for this. Any headaches and stupidity caused by this rests on the shoulders of the HSC admins. Regame or otherwise.



you cant blame xlord for going up to the *the 3 judges * and admins and be agressive about it by saying *its fucking shit , it was a free win *??well i think you can.Would you ever see stephano do this ?. i think he should lose the game just for such behavior.Seriously who does that

edit : in front of stream on top of that
Putty
Profile Joined September 2012
210 Posts
December 21 2012 22:46 GMT
#113

I was going to do the exact same thing in the fight in front of his natural when the game dropped. I would've fight the left side (just a few hydras and roaches) and fungaled the right side (the main army). I also had 5 roaches at his 4th base (it was gone basically) while my base was up already. So the game was mine and I knew that.


Now you say that, but you can't expect ppl trust u. Give you a win assuming you dont make mistakes makes no sense. Sometimes we have seen even top koreans suiciding an entire army engaging in a bad position...everyone can make game-changing mistakes.

So the only wise thing to do is a rematch.



HTOMario
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States439 Posts
December 21 2012 22:47 GMT
#114
On December 22 2012 07:43 AngryMag wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2012 07:39 MarkCJ wrote:
reddit doesn't seem too happy LOL


No offence to reddit users, but when was reddit ever happy? They bitch, whine and moan at every little opportunity, be it emailing sponsors for minor stuff, witchhunting players who said something stupid or denouncing the work others put up for the community.. TBH I do not think that decision makers around the esports scene should care about reddit even one bit, they will whine regardless...


I'm sorry but I have no idea how to navigate reddit, where are you seeing this? When I type in starcraft or starcraft 2 in the search the posts are months old.
GM Mech T
NeonFox
Profile Joined January 2011
2373 Posts
December 21 2012 22:48 GMT
#115
Why are trying to justify yourself again? The issue is not if you should have won or not it's your attitude.
Boosebus
Profile Joined December 2012
4 Posts
December 21 2012 22:49 GMT
#116
The game was far from over. Not a free win.


For example in other sports we have seen crazy comebacks. A 5-0 lead in soccer or ice hockey is considered a "easy win", but you never know until it's done. Or look at the Rocky movies. He gets knocked down several times, and still wins. There is nothing as a free win, or easy win. Therefor it should be a regame.

And only looking from your point of view, and arguing from that point of view makes you bad mannered. There's no way to deny that. Being "competetive" is an expanation for bad manner, but never an excuse. But eventually you'll grow up and understand that sport's important, but never as important as fellow human beings. Unfortunatly in our society we've so many childish humans.
Venomsflame
Profile Joined February 2011
United States613 Posts
December 21 2012 22:49 GMT
#117
On December 22 2012 07:43 AngryMag wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2012 07:39 MarkCJ wrote:
reddit doesn't seem too happy LOL


No offence to reddit users, but when was reddit ever happy? They bitch, whine and moan at every little opportunity, be it emailing sponsors for minor stuff, witchhunting players who said something stupid or denouncing the work others put up for the community.. TBH I do not think that decision makers around the esports scene should care about reddit even one bit, they will whine regardless...


You definitely don't mean any offense.....
Prplppleatr
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1518 Posts
December 21 2012 22:49 GMT
#118
On December 22 2012 07:46 Putty wrote:
Show nested quote +

I was going to do the exact same thing in the fight in front of his natural when the game dropped. I would've fight the left side (just a few hydras and roaches) and fungaled the right side (the main army). I also had 5 roaches at his 4th base (it was gone basically) while my base was up already. So the game was mine and I knew that.


Now you say that, but you can't expect ppl trust u. Give you a win assuming you dont make mistakes makes no sense. Sometimes we have seen even top koreans suiciding an entire army engaging in a bad position...everyone can make game-changing mistakes.

So the only wise thing to do is a rematch.




You don't make assumptions, you look at how the game has gone. Stephano had a chance of winning the game earlier with his 2/2 roach/hydra timing, but because of Xlords micro he was able to hold it well and take a significant lead. So, based on what has actually happened I would argue that it would be more likely that stephano were to mismicro or make a mistake than xlord.
🥇 Prediction Contest - Mess with the best, die like the rest.
roym899
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany426 Posts
December 21 2012 22:52 GMT
#119
I wonder what you said to stephano after he said "congratz" to you. After all he was the one acting with a good attitude during all of it. Not trying to influence the admins decision...
Cokefreak
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland8096 Posts
December 21 2012 22:52 GMT
#120
On December 22 2012 07:49 Boosebus wrote:
The game was far from over. Not a free win.


For example in other sports we have seen crazy comebacks. A 5-0 lead in soccer or ice hockey is considered a "easy win", but you never know until it's done. Or look at the Rocky movies. He gets knocked down several times, and still wins. There is nothing as a free win, or easy win. Therefor it should be a regame.

And only looking from your point of view, and arguing from that point of view makes you bad mannered. There's no way to deny that. Being "competetive" is an expanation for bad manner, but never an excuse. But eventually you'll grow up and understand that sport's important, but never as important as fellow human beings. Unfortunatly in our society we've so many childish humans.

Sorry but your arguments are really really bad. I agree that XLord acted childish but you can't really compare a scripted movie to anything happening in real life.
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