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Regarding the Defwin against stephano at HSC VI - Page 2

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jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
December 21 2012 21:40 GMT
#21
As I said in the other thread players should never be able to overturn defwins given to them, it just leads to the community witchhunting the players that don't.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
December 21 2012 21:41 GMT
#22
people shouldn't blame players for enforcing rules, ever. its the rules and admins that deserve blame, if any, always.
DanTastiX
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany36 Posts
December 21 2012 21:41 GMT
#23
On December 22 2012 06:39 cythaze wrote:
Should have made it a bo9 so Xlord could have 5-0ed Stephano


Win.

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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 21 2012 21:41 GMT
#24
Unless the requirement for you to lose was:

Falling out of your chair and getting knocked out.

Regame.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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emis
Profile Joined November 2011
Estonia409 Posts
December 21 2012 21:41 GMT
#25
You should never get a win unless the game is 100% over. Also, that's not even my main issue with this. Bottom line is that you acted like a dick. Stephano would most certainly have given you a regame had you been in his position.
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
December 21 2012 21:42 GMT
#26
I really wanted Stephano to win the match, but I wouldn't have been comfortable if a regame happened then he won the next 2 games.

I had to go grocery shopping during the incident, came back and looked at the wiki. I'm happy you got the walkover, it was really deserved. You played really well.

Grats!
Refer to my post.
j4vz
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada976 Posts
December 21 2012 21:42 GMT
#27
I think disconnect is part of the game, and we should regame no matter the situation
someone_elses_lies@live.fr
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
December 21 2012 21:42 GMT
#28
normal decision from your pov.
Thanks for the ^pst.
Zest fanboy.
TheMiddl
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany9 Posts
December 21 2012 21:42 GMT
#29
I'm realy a big fan of MR.5:0 aswall as of Stephano!
But tbh. i thought the game was over! Even tho some ppl think your a whiner or something like that, most of us would do the same if they think they got the game! not only bcs there were 875€ on the line, but for the feeling of justice itself!
very happy ending with stehpano advancing!!
MetalPanda
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1152 Posts
December 21 2012 21:43 GMT
#30
Guys, I don't see why we'd let Stephano a chance of winning if it was clearly gonna be 2-0. And that ''HSC is a community event'' argument is complete bullshit, it's a legitimate tournament with clearly enough money for them to care, and that just happens to be more fun than the other tournaments.

Xlord did what anyone would do in this situation by trying to secure what he obviously had.
Bupi
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany4 Posts
December 21 2012 21:43 GMT
#31
The moment when denis said, lets extend it to a bo5 and you stood there crying was the moment when i saw that u have 0% sportmanship
You wont get any respect by me and i hope you get kicked out of your team

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coldscars
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany141 Posts
December 21 2012 21:43 GMT
#32
if you wouldve won that easy, do it again , right? You were ahead? not upgrade wise stephano was 2/2 while you had 2-0 or 2-1 so everything couldve happened as soon as stephano has infestors.
\BibleThump/
TheMiddl
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany9 Posts
December 21 2012 21:44 GMT
#33
On December 22 2012 06:41 DanTastiX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2012 06:39 cythaze wrote:
Should have made it a bo9 so Xlord could have 5-0ed Stephano


Win.

HAHAHA! :D

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Torrathyr
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada95 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-21 21:52:00
December 21 2012 21:44 GMT
#34
My problem is that you were ahead, but because ZvZ is so volatile, that could change in a heartbeat. A ling run-by could snipe your 4th, Stephano's upgrades were better, there were so many variables to consider that it was impossible to say that you had that game won.

As for that engagement that you mentioned, the one outside Stephano's natural when the game froze, Stephano had more hydras, a much larger attack arc, and defenders advantage. Your infestor energy would have been neutralized by Stephano's hydras and attack arc, making fungals ineffective and infested terrans not very effective. If you won that engagement (which I doubt since Stephano is so close to his resupply) you might have been able to take the win, but if you lost that engagement, Stephano's counter-swing would have killed several infestors and maybe even your 4th.

But like I said, its hard to say in ZvZ. My biggest problem is the fact that you were at the casters couch while they were deliberating and trying to come to a decision. What the fuck man? Let the guys do their job, TLO and Dimaga said that they were uncomfortable with the decision, so you being there explaining how you were ahead, fucks that up. Just go get a drink, leave the couch, and let them make the decision.

All of this is moot because Stephano's, "I don't care" attitude solved the problem and he gave you the win. Shitty situation for everyone involved, but you should have acted better.

Edit:
On December 22 2012 06:35 Kenny_oro wrote:
You're not seen as bad mannered for playing a good game. The disconnect wasn't your fault.

But what's the pont of arguing with the casters which already were forced in the uncomfortable situation to make a decission.

You should've just leaned back to wait for the decission instead of arguing with TLO on stream like a madman.

If you're that confident in your skill - why not just take the 20 and extend it to the BO5?

Nobody argued about your lead in that game - But a lead doesn't mean freewin. You should know that.

This ^
Talent < Skill < Practice < Dedication
Msr
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)495 Posts
December 21 2012 21:44 GMT
#35
anybody who watched the game and thinks that xlord did not deserve the win is the same reason they are watching the game and not playing it....

unloseable position for xlord, and losing 3 maps inarow to a player as good as stephano is very possible.
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
December 21 2012 21:44 GMT
#36
*awaits for resume from replay* :D

Hots is going to bring lots of nice features (I don't care how late they are, don't bring that up)
Refer to my post.
Ana_
Profile Joined May 2012
Finland453 Posts
December 21 2012 21:44 GMT
#37
Unfortunately, I think there is no right decision in these kind of situations. Just make regame available from replay blizzard and we can move on from these kind of situations.
Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me.
Finrod1
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany3997 Posts
December 21 2012 21:45 GMT
#38
On December 22 2012 06:41 dAPhREAk wrote:
people shouldn't blame players for enforcing rules, ever. its the rules and admins that deserve blame, if any, always.


exactly. its sad that a players is pressured by the wichthunt to post here..
Exarl25
Profile Joined November 2010
1887 Posts
December 21 2012 21:46 GMT
#39
On December 22 2012 06:41 emis wrote:
You should never get a win unless the game is 100% over. Also, that's not even my main issue with this. Bottom line is that you acted like a dick. Stephano would most certainly have given you a regame had you been in his position.


How often are games ever 100% over when they actually end? You can always invoke the "oh he could have fallen out of his chair" argument. XlorD had a strong argument to make there and while he may not have argued it with the most class he was still justified in standing up for himself. Regames have been awarded for less and I feel like if it were the popular fan favorite who got awarded a win in that situation there would be no controversy.
nath
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1788 Posts
December 21 2012 21:46 GMT
#40
On December 22 2012 06:44 Msr wrote:
anybody who watched the game and thinks that xlord did not deserve the win is the same reason they are watching the game and not playing it....

unloseable position for xlord, and losing 3 maps inarow to a player as good as stephano is very possible.

100% agree.
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