EPTRegarding the Defwin against stephano at HSC VI - Page 10
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Flipshy
United States83 Posts
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gosublade
632 Posts
On December 22 2012 09:37 Morrisson wrote: Bullshit explanation, easy to say what you could have done. It the heat of the moment, it's something different, especially agains stephano. We have seen games were people were more behind and came back. yes but a judgement call has to be made if the comeback chance is approaching zero.. i mean.. a lot of us remember the gsl 5base vs 1base zvp game where the ladder ended up winning.. | ||
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Deckard.666
152 Posts
Idra is about as sportsmanlike and as good mannered as an unflushed turd in the Olympic village It's not the same thing. Idra is usually bad mannered, yeah, but he doesn't benefit from it. Xlord was arguing with the judges trying to convince them to give him the win, when he should have just stayed back and accepted their decision, like Stephano was doing. No matter the final result, arguing with the judges to convince them to favor you is an awful attitude (especially if you're exaggerating your advantage; it wasn't a "free win", even though he was favored). The judges should have just disscused it privately, but still, Xlord looked like a douchebag. | ||
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
On December 22 2012 09:57 gosublade wrote: yes but a judgement call has to be made if the comeback chance is approaching zero.. i mean.. a lot of us remember the gsl 5base vs 1base zvp game where the ladder ended up winning.. If he had half the balls and character of MKP he wouldn't have cried so hard for a free win, thats all that matters to 99% of the people complaining. | ||
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ArnaudF
France993 Posts
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On December 22 2012 09:39 Evangelist wrote: Oh and as for "fans", no offence but Idra is about as sportsmanlike and as good mannered as an unflushed turd in the Olympic village but still somehow maintains a trillion salivating nerds who all drape on his every word. Don't think Xlord has much to worry about. You think that Idra collects fans by being BM? The guy is an artist in manipulating the emotions of SC2 watchers. If he didnt exist, we would have to invent this virtuoso of emotional roller coasters. The real takeaway here is that no matter how 'friendly' everyone is at a tournament, they need to have an official referee who is in an entirely different building spectating and who can sit there and decide without having any pressure from the players. | ||
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revel8
United Kingdom3022 Posts
On December 22 2012 09:39 Evangelist wrote: As a citizen of the United Kingdom, have you ever seen Manchester United argue against a red card given by a referee for the opposing team? Got nothing to do with sportsmanship. There's 10 grand on the line. I'd argue the toss for that as well. No matter how "friendly" and "fun" the event may be, if being all sportsmanlike and giving up a won game because of a disconnect is going to potentially cost you 10k then don't do it man. Oh and as for "fans", no offence but Idra is about as sportsmanlike and as good mannered as an unflushed turd in the Olympic village but still somehow maintains a trillion salivating nerds who all drape on his every word. Don't think Xlord has much to worry about. The point is Xlord had NOT won the game. It was in dispute. This was clear because the admins and pro-gamers could not agree that the game was won, therefore it is well established that a regame is the only option. It sucks for the player with an advantage but that is how it is. I have stated my opinion. I don't actually care whether you share it or not. | ||
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eNjiin
Germany27 Posts
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Fizzy
Sweden388 Posts
On December 22 2012 09:56 Forgottenfrog wrote: xlord, please don't listen to all the haters/stephano fanboys. If people decided that you won the match then by all means take the win. It is a competition and it would be unfair if a re-game was decided when you had such a definitive lead. Remember that you can't please everyone on the internet so try to stay on top of your game and not be affected by such drama for tomorrow. As for people who's calling this a free win-- Please watch the game again, xlord was winning so stop being bias. There were no "people" who decided that he won the match, people argued that he didnt but he said he would have won it easily. Then Stephano (his opponent) said "Just give him the fucking win then so we can go on to the next match". I could almost have guessed where you are from by just reading your comment, please get a clue before you decide what side you are on. | ||
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Benjamin99
4176 Posts
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Musicus
Germany23570 Posts
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mattsn
United States3 Posts
On December 22 2012 06:31 XlorD wrote: In the first fight between my 2nd and 3rd base I took a similar fight against him (Infestor Roach on my side - and Hydra Roach on his side) and I fungaled <- the left side to fight on the right for a few seconds uncontested by the left side which couldnt move (obviously) and took the fight pretty convincingly. I was going to do the exact same thing in the fight in front of his natural when the game dropped. I would've fight the left side (just a few hydras and roaches) and fungaled the right side (the main army). I also had 5 roaches at his 4th base (it was gone basically) while my base was up already. So the game was mine and I knew that. What you thought was going to happen is irrelevant. People do not care about what you thought was going to happen. They care about what Did happen. What Did happen was a disconnect before a large engagement occurred. Crying about it and demanding a disconnect be counted as a win is pretty childish. Why not state your opinion to the admins, and then shut your mouth and be mature about the situation like stephano? | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
Would have probably ended in a regame anyway if Stephano wouldn't have taken the loss. | ||
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Ryuhou)aS(
United States1174 Posts
1) it was an incredibly good mannered thing for stephano to agree to giving XlorD the win, while he could have sat there and argued it (im betting 999 out of 1000 ppl would argue it) it took lots of courage 2) it was not good for the stream to be live during the discussions BUT it's not XlorD's fault they were live, nor is it bad mannered that he argued for the win(once again im betting 999 out of 1000 ppl would argue it^^^ ), nor is it his fault that the admins/tourney organizers were just flabbergasted about what to do (and seemingly scared to make a decision so they forced it onto 3 players which should never EVER EVER have happened) 3)coming here and explaining his thoughts and feelings about the whole thing took a ton of courage also and shows that XlorD really does have good sportsmanship | ||
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NeutralDepot
80 Posts
Do you remember his behavior in the game vs BabyK. Delaying the games by eating/BEING ON THE PHONE (WTF???). In general I'd be pretty reluctant to decide anything in Stephano's favor. Maybe Stephano would have had to drop the game anyway because he BMed XLord in the first place. What's that even supposed to mean "I have to admit you played amazingly well last game"? Gamewise though it was still far from over. Stephano had a SLIGHT supply disadvantage which is nothing at this point in ZvZ. In the series vs Goswser in the Numerical M-House cup Stephano dropped to 130 to 190 supply after a 200 v 200 fight and yet was still able to take the game convincingly. What could be done as a form of compensation now would be to give Stephano the option to choose whether he wants to play against Xlords opponent (Bratok) in the next round or stick with his future match (MarineKing). On December 22 2012 10:20 Ryuhou)aS( wrote: 2) it was not good for the stream to be live during the discussions BUT it's not XlorD's fault they were live, nor is it bad mannered that he argued for the win(once again im betting 999 out of 1000 ppl would argue it^^^ ), nor is it his fault that the admins/tourney organizers were just flabbergasted about what to do (and seemingly scared to make a decision so they forced it onto 3 players which should never EVER EVER have happened) This was actually one of the most entertaining things to happen in any tournament ever so far. | ||
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Serpico
4285 Posts
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revel8
United Kingdom3022 Posts
On December 22 2012 10:21 NeutralDepot wrote: The interesting thing actually is how often disconnects and pc shutdowns happen to Stephano in live Tournaments. Especially when he's in a disadvantagous position. he also likes to play with bare feet or socks. There might be a connection......... Do you remember his behavior in the game vs BabyK. Delaying the games by eating/BEING ON THE PHONE (WTF???). In generally I'd be pretty reluctant to decide anything in Stephano's favor. He was on the phone because there was a problem with his computer which needed addressing, they could not play until it got fixed. Next you'll be blaming his socks for the streams going down... | ||
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dOraWa
Korea (South)53 Posts
On December 22 2012 10:01 zefreak wrote: If he had half the balls and character of MKP he wouldn't have cried so hard for a free win, thats all that matters to 99% of the people complaining. This. Koreans don't hesitate for a regame, whereas this self entitled, whiny crybaby BM'd and sweared his way to a free win. Congrats Xlord, too scared to take on Stephano in a BO5 where all you would have had to win is 1 more game? | ||
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Proseat
Germany5113 Posts
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ragz_gt
9172 Posts
On December 22 2012 10:22 Serpico wrote: If a player used that kind of tone and speech with an official in any real league his ass would be kicked out instantly. It's part of why still think esports is a joke. In the NBA if you get uppity with a ref you get tossed out and if you still refuse to leave the court you get a suspension most likely. It's harder for admins to do their jobs when people try to fuck with them. At the same time admins need to make a decision and tell players to deal with it and don't show up to the tournament next time if you're that upset. Plenty worse happens in MLB / NFL / NBA Extreme example (though minor league) + Show Spoiler + I agree XlorD didn't act with a ton of grace, but he had a point in defending what he (and plenty others) think is right. | ||
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