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On December 07 2012 05:47 GizmoPT wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 05:45 Talin wrote:
Also, I see no need for English casters to be in Korea at all. They're not interacting with the live audience, they're not going to do the observing anyway, and there would be a much larger and better selection of possible English commentators (so we would get higher quality content) if they weren't required to be in Korea for the duration of the season.
I have nothing against Doa and Monte Cristo, but they're definitely not at the level where they should be casting something like Proleague. think what people mean is that we want to be able to see the stage and all that stuff and not only the games casted xp
I would imagine people would still be able to see that with Korean streams being restreamed.
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On December 07 2012 05:40 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 05:28 mrRoflpwn wrote:
What the actual fuck. Why would you bring in a foreign team for the first time THEN ANNOUNCE YOU WILL NOT HAVE AN ENGLISH STREAM! Kespa screwed over OGN and their employees such as Doa and Montecristo. God damn it- what the fuck is up with these Kespa business men. Where did they announce there will be no english stream?
On December 07 2012 04:21 MLG_Adam wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 04:19 MrCon wrote:On December 07 2012 03:45 MLG_Adam wrote:On December 07 2012 03:40 Gentso wrote:On December 07 2012 03:37 Doodsmack wrote:On December 07 2012 03:29 Canucklehead wrote:
I think it's more believable that MLG asked to broadcast proleague so they feel they get something out of this kespa/mlg partnership. Then kespa pulled the plug on the ogn english broadcast to appease MLG. MLG will deny it publicly, but it's hard to believe this isn't what happened behind closed doors.
Kespa doesn't mind taking the blame for this cause they don't really care about what foreigners think of them. MLG does however, so they want to appear as the white knight riding in to rescue this, when they were in fact the mastermind behind this in the first place. Nice assumptions bro. Please don't pretend like you have a valid, evidence-based argument. You have nothing but leaps of logic founded on cynical assumptions. The sole piece of substantive "evidence" you provide is that MLG stands to make money off the English broadcast lol. Assumptions is all anyone has at this point. MLG trying to get a piece of OGN's pie causing Kespa to pull the plug seems a reasonable assumption at this point. It is flattering that we are thought to have enough clout to move KESPA off of Korean television, but unfortunately (for us) we're not that big. We honestly found out about it this morning with DOA's post. I think @esca is the one who tweeted the thread at us. I don't know what happened with OGN and KESPA, that is their business. We have a MOU with KESPA to work together, but our businesses are not intertwined so we're certainly not privy to everything that goes on. It is 3AM in Korea, we're waiting to talk to people as well. But this twitt is from 2 days ago ? Or it's the timezones. Yes the poorly timed tweet (now that this new situation came about). We were hoping to get replays or rebroadcasts to air in prime time (EST) to flesh out our daily content initiative.
This is what MLG has said so far, that they are looking at re-streaming or showing the games from replays in EST prime time. It's possible that they are planing something else, but considering that OGN was caught completely by surprise anything that they are planing doesn't involve cooperating with OGN (which means they won't be in studio).
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This is sad news, will still watch regardless. Foreign teams too strong to pass up.
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Who cares, listening to Korean guys shout, while you have no idea what they are saying, is one of the best parts of Starcaft.
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I don’t see how this is a bad thing. If i understood correctly they decided not to give the stream licen to ogn. Also from mlg post it seems the ppv modell that was used before on the mlg/proleuge event was because ogn had the licen.
This means ogn one is the one forcing kespa not being able to work with each other. Mlg tweets also seem to suggest MLg,kespa and Eg-Tl want free stream. It seems ogn didn’t want to apply to this term. So its basically looks like ogn want to make money and enforce people to pay for the English stream.
Also if i am not wrong kespa is built up by different sponsors that like EG and team liquid want exposure. Seeing the bad job OGN did last time when they hade the English stream i don’t se why they should get it again and take money for it that goes to them self and not anyone else. So if OGN dont have the english stream then we get it for free and we will se allot of free events with kespa and other companys.
TLDR: Kespa want a free English stream for the foreign viewers and OGN don’t seem to comply with this change and was taken away the license to have the English stream. The reason the mlg event with proleague was a ppv model and not free was because Ogn had the Licen for the English stream. If OGN don’t have the English stream, Kespa is free to work with other companies and stream content for free. How is this a bad thing for us and the sc2 scene ????????????????
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I dont care which way it goes, just please, please have korean streams available so i dont have to avoid results and pirate the vods a day after
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On December 07 2012 05:50 coasts wrote:
Who cares, listening to Korean guys shout, while you have no idea what they are saying, is one of the best parts of Starcaft.
...right. The only time I've enjoyed listening to a Korean caster was listening to Mr. Chae and Machine cast in broken English. Apart from that I really don't like listening to Korean casters. Might as well watch a foreign language movie without subtitles.
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On December 07 2012 05:48 Fischbacher wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 05:40 Talin wrote:On December 07 2012 05:28 mrRoflpwn wrote:
What the actual fuck. Why would you bring in a foreign team for the first time THEN ANNOUNCE YOU WILL NOT HAVE AN ENGLISH STREAM! Kespa screwed over OGN and their employees such as Doa and Montecristo. God damn it- what the fuck is up with these Kespa business men. Where did they announce there will be no english stream? Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 04:21 MLG_Adam wrote:On December 07 2012 04:19 MrCon wrote:On December 07 2012 03:45 MLG_Adam wrote:On December 07 2012 03:40 Gentso wrote:On December 07 2012 03:37 Doodsmack wrote:On December 07 2012 03:29 Canucklehead wrote:
I think it's more believable that MLG asked to broadcast proleague so they feel they get something out of this kespa/mlg partnership. Then kespa pulled the plug on the ogn english broadcast to appease MLG. MLG will deny it publicly, but it's hard to believe this isn't what happened behind closed doors.
Kespa doesn't mind taking the blame for this cause they don't really care about what foreigners think of them. MLG does however, so they want to appear as the white knight riding in to rescue this, when they were in fact the mastermind behind this in the first place. Nice assumptions bro. Please don't pretend like you have a valid, evidence-based argument. You have nothing but leaps of logic founded on cynical assumptions. The sole piece of substantive "evidence" you provide is that MLG stands to make money off the English broadcast lol. Assumptions is all anyone has at this point. MLG trying to get a piece of OGN's pie causing Kespa to pull the plug seems a reasonable assumption at this point. It is flattering that we are thought to have enough clout to move KESPA off of Korean television, but unfortunately (for us) we're not that big. We honestly found out about it this morning with DOA's post. I think @esca is the one who tweeted the thread at us. I don't know what happened with OGN and KESPA, that is their business. We have a MOU with KESPA to work together, but our businesses are not intertwined so we're certainly not privy to everything that goes on. It is 3AM in Korea, we're waiting to talk to people as well. But this twitt https://twitter.com/MLGLee/status/276069676562386945 is from 2 days ago ? Or it's the timezones. Yes the poorly timed tweet (now that this new situation came about). We were hoping to get replays or rebroadcasts to air in prime time (EST) to flesh out our daily content initiative. This is what MLG has said so far, that they are looking at re-streaming or showing the games from replays in EST prime time. It's possible that they are planing something else, but considering that OGN was caught completely by surprise anything that they are planing doesn't involve cooperating with OGN (which means they won't be in studio).
He said replays or rebroadcasts. Replays would indeed be a terrible choice, but rebroadcasts of Korean streams with English commentary would be the best solution IMO. At least as long as MLG or whoever they get to do it provides adequate casters, which they should be able to if the casters aren't required to fly to Korea.
Anyhow, even if there are no english streams for the first round, they will certainly get them running soon enough. Sure it's a fuckup to miss the opening round, but honestly I'd rather miss a week and have some of the higher quality casters MLG has access to, than have the OGN pair cast the entire season.
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The reasons to support ESF over Kespa are piling up more day by day.
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On December 07 2012 05:55 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 05:48 Fischbacher wrote:On December 07 2012 05:40 Talin wrote:On December 07 2012 05:28 mrRoflpwn wrote:
What the actual fuck. Why would you bring in a foreign team for the first time THEN ANNOUNCE YOU WILL NOT HAVE AN ENGLISH STREAM! Kespa screwed over OGN and their employees such as Doa and Montecristo. God damn it- what the fuck is up with these Kespa business men. Where did they announce there will be no english stream? On December 07 2012 04:21 MLG_Adam wrote:On December 07 2012 04:19 MrCon wrote:On December 07 2012 03:45 MLG_Adam wrote:On December 07 2012 03:40 Gentso wrote:On December 07 2012 03:37 Doodsmack wrote:On December 07 2012 03:29 Canucklehead wrote:
I think it's more believable that MLG asked to broadcast proleague so they feel they get something out of this kespa/mlg partnership. Then kespa pulled the plug on the ogn english broadcast to appease MLG. MLG will deny it publicly, but it's hard to believe this isn't what happened behind closed doors.
Kespa doesn't mind taking the blame for this cause they don't really care about what foreigners think of them. MLG does however, so they want to appear as the white knight riding in to rescue this, when they were in fact the mastermind behind this in the first place. Nice assumptions bro. Please don't pretend like you have a valid, evidence-based argument. You have nothing but leaps of logic founded on cynical assumptions. The sole piece of substantive "evidence" you provide is that MLG stands to make money off the English broadcast lol. Assumptions is all anyone has at this point. MLG trying to get a piece of OGN's pie causing Kespa to pull the plug seems a reasonable assumption at this point. It is flattering that we are thought to have enough clout to move KESPA off of Korean television, but unfortunately (for us) we're not that big. We honestly found out about it this morning with DOA's post. I think @esca is the one who tweeted the thread at us. I don't know what happened with OGN and KESPA, that is their business. We have a MOU with KESPA to work together, but our businesses are not intertwined so we're certainly not privy to everything that goes on. It is 3AM in Korea, we're waiting to talk to people as well. But this twitt https://twitter.com/MLGLee/status/276069676562386945 is from 2 days ago ? Or it's the timezones. Yes the poorly timed tweet (now that this new situation came about). We were hoping to get replays or rebroadcasts to air in prime time (EST) to flesh out our daily content initiative. This is what MLG has said so far, that they are looking at re-streaming or showing the games from replays in EST prime time. It's possible that they are planing something else, but considering that OGN was caught completely by surprise anything that they are planing doesn't involve cooperating with OGN (which means they won't be in studio). He said replays or rebroadcasts. Replays would indeed be a terrible choice, but rebroadcasts of Korean streams with English commentary would be the best solution IMO. At least as long as MLG or whoever they get to do it provides adequate casters, which they should be able to if the casters aren't required to fly to Korea. Anyhow, even if there are no english streams for the first round, they will certainly get them running soon enough. Sure it's a fuckup to miss the opening round, but honestly I'd rather miss a week and have some of the higher quality casters MLG has access to, than have the OGN pair cast the entire season.
What casters do MLG have "access" to?
The only casters that are with MLG are the Axelbros.
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KESPA HASNT DONE ANYTHING WRONG!!
What is wrong with people. Kespa wanted to place FREE ENGLISH STREAM, but OGN wants it to be PAID, just laike OSL!!
People read the info...
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if it goes to mlg i will watch it. sucks for ogn but this is something i just have to see.
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On December 07 2012 05:55 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 05:48 Fischbacher wrote:On December 07 2012 05:40 Talin wrote:On December 07 2012 05:28 mrRoflpwn wrote:
What the actual fuck. Why would you bring in a foreign team for the first time THEN ANNOUNCE YOU WILL NOT HAVE AN ENGLISH STREAM! Kespa screwed over OGN and their employees such as Doa and Montecristo. God damn it- what the fuck is up with these Kespa business men. Where did they announce there will be no english stream? On December 07 2012 04:21 MLG_Adam wrote:On December 07 2012 04:19 MrCon wrote:On December 07 2012 03:45 MLG_Adam wrote:On December 07 2012 03:40 Gentso wrote:On December 07 2012 03:37 Doodsmack wrote:On December 07 2012 03:29 Canucklehead wrote:
I think it's more believable that MLG asked to broadcast proleague so they feel they get something out of this kespa/mlg partnership. Then kespa pulled the plug on the ogn english broadcast to appease MLG. MLG will deny it publicly, but it's hard to believe this isn't what happened behind closed doors.
Kespa doesn't mind taking the blame for this cause they don't really care about what foreigners think of them. MLG does however, so they want to appear as the white knight riding in to rescue this, when they were in fact the mastermind behind this in the first place. Nice assumptions bro. Please don't pretend like you have a valid, evidence-based argument. You have nothing but leaps of logic founded on cynical assumptions. The sole piece of substantive "evidence" you provide is that MLG stands to make money off the English broadcast lol. Assumptions is all anyone has at this point. MLG trying to get a piece of OGN's pie causing Kespa to pull the plug seems a reasonable assumption at this point. It is flattering that we are thought to have enough clout to move KESPA off of Korean television, but unfortunately (for us) we're not that big. We honestly found out about it this morning with DOA's post. I think @esca is the one who tweeted the thread at us. I don't know what happened with OGN and KESPA, that is their business. We have a MOU with KESPA to work together, but our businesses are not intertwined so we're certainly not privy to everything that goes on. It is 3AM in Korea, we're waiting to talk to people as well. But this twitt https://twitter.com/MLGLee/status/276069676562386945 is from 2 days ago ? Or it's the timezones. Yes the poorly timed tweet (now that this new situation came about). We were hoping to get replays or rebroadcasts to air in prime time (EST) to flesh out our daily content initiative. This is what MLG has said so far, that they are looking at re-streaming or showing the games from replays in EST prime time. It's possible that they are planing something else, but considering that OGN was caught completely by surprise anything that they are planing doesn't involve cooperating with OGN (which means they won't be in studio). He said replays or rebroadcasts. Replays would indeed be a terrible choice, but rebroadcasts of Korean streams with English commentary would be the best solution IMO. At least as long as MLG or whoever they get to do it provides adequate casters, which they should be able to if the casters aren't required to fly to Korea. Anyhow, even if there are no english streams for the first round, they will certainly get them running soon enough. Sure it's a fuckup to miss the opening round, but honestly I'd rather miss a week and have some of the higher quality casters MLG has access to, than have the OGN pair cast the entire season.
It's still disheartening that they will produce a re-stream instead of a full English production like GOM is doing. Clearly KeSPA has more resources than GOM, so why can't they get a decent English production together?
Besside, DoA is a good caster. I get not wanting Montecristo since he's a LoL guy but DoA is really good.
And no English stream for the first round is a pretty big deal considering OGN was ready to produce one.
On December 07 2012 06:00 mtn wrote:
KESPA HASNT DONE ANYTHING WRONG!!
What is wrong with people. Kespa wanted to place FREE ENGLISH STREAM, but OGN wants it to be PAID, just laike OSL!!
People read the info...
...OGN's English stream was going to be free.
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On December 07 2012 05:58 Tobblish wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 05:55 Talin wrote:On December 07 2012 05:48 Fischbacher wrote:On December 07 2012 05:40 Talin wrote:On December 07 2012 05:28 mrRoflpwn wrote:
What the actual fuck. Why would you bring in a foreign team for the first time THEN ANNOUNCE YOU WILL NOT HAVE AN ENGLISH STREAM! Kespa screwed over OGN and their employees such as Doa and Montecristo. God damn it- what the fuck is up with these Kespa business men. Where did they announce there will be no english stream? On December 07 2012 04:21 MLG_Adam wrote:On December 07 2012 04:19 MrCon wrote:On December 07 2012 03:45 MLG_Adam wrote:On December 07 2012 03:40 Gentso wrote:On December 07 2012 03:37 Doodsmack wrote:On December 07 2012 03:29 Canucklehead wrote:
I think it's more believable that MLG asked to broadcast proleague so they feel they get something out of this kespa/mlg partnership. Then kespa pulled the plug on the ogn english broadcast to appease MLG. MLG will deny it publicly, but it's hard to believe this isn't what happened behind closed doors.
Kespa doesn't mind taking the blame for this cause they don't really care about what foreigners think of them. MLG does however, so they want to appear as the white knight riding in to rescue this, when they were in fact the mastermind behind this in the first place. Nice assumptions bro. Please don't pretend like you have a valid, evidence-based argument. You have nothing but leaps of logic founded on cynical assumptions. The sole piece of substantive "evidence" you provide is that MLG stands to make money off the English broadcast lol. Assumptions is all anyone has at this point. MLG trying to get a piece of OGN's pie causing Kespa to pull the plug seems a reasonable assumption at this point. It is flattering that we are thought to have enough clout to move KESPA off of Korean television, but unfortunately (for us) we're not that big. We honestly found out about it this morning with DOA's post. I think @esca is the one who tweeted the thread at us. I don't know what happened with OGN and KESPA, that is their business. We have a MOU with KESPA to work together, but our businesses are not intertwined so we're certainly not privy to everything that goes on. It is 3AM in Korea, we're waiting to talk to people as well. But this twitt https://twitter.com/MLGLee/status/276069676562386945 is from 2 days ago ? Or it's the timezones. Yes the poorly timed tweet (now that this new situation came about). We were hoping to get replays or rebroadcasts to air in prime time (EST) to flesh out our daily content initiative. This is what MLG has said so far, that they are looking at re-streaming or showing the games from replays in EST prime time. It's possible that they are planing something else, but considering that OGN was caught completely by surprise anything that they are planing doesn't involve cooperating with OGN (which means they won't be in studio). He said replays or rebroadcasts. Replays would indeed be a terrible choice, but rebroadcasts of Korean streams with English commentary would be the best solution IMO. At least as long as MLG or whoever they get to do it provides adequate casters, which they should be able to if the casters aren't required to fly to Korea. Anyhow, even if there are no english streams for the first round, they will certainly get them running soon enough. Sure it's a fuckup to miss the opening round, but honestly I'd rather miss a week and have some of the higher quality casters MLG has access to, than have the OGN pair cast the entire season. What casters do MLG have "access" to? The only casters that are with MLG are the Axelbros.
One would hope that they can get some of the people that cast their live events to do it. The level and prestige of competition definitely warrants hiring somebody else to do it, at least on irregular basis. Without the requirement to fly to Korea, at least there's a significantly larger pool of people to choose from, that was my point.
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On December 07 2012 05:50 coasts wrote:
Who cares, listening to Korean guys shout, while you have no idea what they are saying, is one of the best parts of Starcaft.
But but but but but.... it's kespa!
+ Show Spoiler +I actually just made this post to point out I think you have a comma splice after who cares  (My grammar sucks a lot I just saw it for some reason and smiled :D )
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On December 07 2012 06:01 Fischbacher wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 05:55 Talin wrote:On December 07 2012 05:48 Fischbacher wrote:On December 07 2012 05:40 Talin wrote:On December 07 2012 05:28 mrRoflpwn wrote:
What the actual fuck. Why would you bring in a foreign team for the first time THEN ANNOUNCE YOU WILL NOT HAVE AN ENGLISH STREAM! Kespa screwed over OGN and their employees such as Doa and Montecristo. God damn it- what the fuck is up with these Kespa business men. Where did they announce there will be no english stream? On December 07 2012 04:21 MLG_Adam wrote:On December 07 2012 04:19 MrCon wrote:On December 07 2012 03:45 MLG_Adam wrote:On December 07 2012 03:40 Gentso wrote:On December 07 2012 03:37 Doodsmack wrote:On December 07 2012 03:29 Canucklehead wrote:
I think it's more believable that MLG asked to broadcast proleague so they feel they get something out of this kespa/mlg partnership. Then kespa pulled the plug on the ogn english broadcast to appease MLG. MLG will deny it publicly, but it's hard to believe this isn't what happened behind closed doors.
Kespa doesn't mind taking the blame for this cause they don't really care about what foreigners think of them. MLG does however, so they want to appear as the white knight riding in to rescue this, when they were in fact the mastermind behind this in the first place. Nice assumptions bro. Please don't pretend like you have a valid, evidence-based argument. You have nothing but leaps of logic founded on cynical assumptions. The sole piece of substantive "evidence" you provide is that MLG stands to make money off the English broadcast lol. Assumptions is all anyone has at this point. MLG trying to get a piece of OGN's pie causing Kespa to pull the plug seems a reasonable assumption at this point. It is flattering that we are thought to have enough clout to move KESPA off of Korean television, but unfortunately (for us) we're not that big. We honestly found out about it this morning with DOA's post. I think @esca is the one who tweeted the thread at us. I don't know what happened with OGN and KESPA, that is their business. We have a MOU with KESPA to work together, but our businesses are not intertwined so we're certainly not privy to everything that goes on. It is 3AM in Korea, we're waiting to talk to people as well. But this twitt https://twitter.com/MLGLee/status/276069676562386945 is from 2 days ago ? Or it's the timezones. Yes the poorly timed tweet (now that this new situation came about). We were hoping to get replays or rebroadcasts to air in prime time (EST) to flesh out our daily content initiative. This is what MLG has said so far, that they are looking at re-streaming or showing the games from replays in EST prime time. It's possible that they are planing something else, but considering that OGN was caught completely by surprise anything that they are planing doesn't involve cooperating with OGN (which means they won't be in studio). He said replays or rebroadcasts. Replays would indeed be a terrible choice, but rebroadcasts of Korean streams with English commentary would be the best solution IMO. At least as long as MLG or whoever they get to do it provides adequate casters, which they should be able to if the casters aren't required to fly to Korea. Anyhow, even if there are no english streams for the first round, they will certainly get them running soon enough. Sure it's a fuckup to miss the opening round, but honestly I'd rather miss a week and have some of the higher quality casters MLG has access to, than have the OGN pair cast the entire season. It's still disheartening that they will produce a re-stream instead of a full English production like GOM is doing.
I think it would be better off for most people because of the time zones. The hardcore fans will still get up to watch the Korean streams (many would do so anyway), but it makes sense for the English stream to be at a more reasonable time so that most people can catch the actual show rather than have to go through individual game vods.
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On December 07 2012 01:28 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2012 01:23 Solarsail wrote:On December 07 2012 01:22 Oreo7 wrote:On December 07 2012 00:39 MLG_Adam wrote:
Working on it guys. So you guys screwed OGN + Doa, + possibly the whole foreign community so that you could get broadcast rights? Is that the implication? MLG  How can you jump to that conclusion without evidence? The evidence is right here though. The tweet, the "working on it" and the fact that OGN have been booted from Proleague is all the evidence we need.
I agree this is very strange
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...OGN's English stream was going to be free.
If i am not wrong the free stream would be allow quality one and the KEspa wants the high quality stream to be free. also if ogn have the English licen then every other organisation will have to pay a licen fee to have content with the kespa players. This seem to be the reason why the proleuge/mlg was a ppv and not free
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It actually makes sense imo. It was weird from the start - that we would get only half the proleague (weekend matches) in english and for a subscription fee. Of course somebody wants to find a way to make the broadcasts and VoDs either free or at least the complete Proleague in one subscription. The bullshit is - this should have been dealt with like weeks/months ago, not two days before the start -.-
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