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On December 06 2012 23:20 hautfein wrote:
In my opinion this is actually a good thing. Kespa saves a large amount of money by not paying overpaid and mostly incompetent western casters.
I normally watch any tournament with sound off to prevent myself from brain damage by listening to completely wrong assessments from Day9 and other self-centered casters.
If there is one thing the Esports community should stop it's throwing money at casters for basically doing nothing but throwing their mostly uneducated opinion at the game.
Many progamers have stated that it's a far better job to be a caster and if we change that more money can go to the players enforcing a stronger competition.
Nice move, Kespa!
If you get rid of WheatDay9 Tastosis Bitterdam WolfKhaldor and TBApollo without replacements that are just as good I can assure you most will just stop watching SC2 altogether. Have fun when sponsors all pull out.
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It just says OGN can't broadcast with English casters, doesn't say there will be no English casters from KeSPA.
Probably MLG is in this deal, Axslav to the rescue!!!!!
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On December 06 2012 23:20 hautfein wrote:
In my opinion this is actually a good thing. Kespa saves a large amount of money by not paying overpaid and mostly incompetent western casters.
I normally watch any tournament with sound off to prevent myself from brain damage by listening to completely wrong assessments from Day9 and other self-centered casters.
If there is one thing the Esports community should stop it's throwing money at casters for basically doing nothing but throwing their mostly uneducated opinion at the game.
Many progamers have stated that it's a far better job to be a caster and if we change that more money can go to the players enforcing a stronger competition.
Nice move, Kespa!
1) There are several competent casters out there. If Kespa wants to be frugal, hire Apollo and have him solo cast ala Tasteless circa 2006. I don't know if Apollo would want this job, but he'd be an absolutely fantastic choice.
2) Kespa stands to get more foreign viewers by providing an English cast, which means more ad revenue, i.e. more money to pay caster(s). It's not a zero-sum game.
3) A casual viewer doesn't care whether the analysis is tip-top, he just wants to have someone do play-by-play and explain what's happening in a language he understands.
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but ... mlg has no good caster duos (SRY @MLG) i mean i LOVE! axslav and i watched his stream nearly 99%, but his co casters are mostly anoying and alos he isnt that good in make other players games extatic, he is an analyter and you need a guy who screams most of the times ,... like artosis needs tasteless
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Well this is kind of counter productive... first time a foreign team gains access to Proleague but no english casting.. Not sure what they're thinking.
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On December 06 2012 23:17 HomeWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 23:14 Pimpmuckl wrote:
I don't get KeSPA. First they lean Jaedong AND let EGTL take place in the most prestigious team league ever.
And now this? Like whaaaaaaaaat? I don't get it. Correction: in the most BW prestigious team league. Cannot say this yet for SC2.
Sort of makes it the most prestigious SC2 as well. Its got that lineage and history that makes it prestigious. That is why older traditions are most pretigious, because they've been around longer, not necessarily because they are better. IE: Winning a World Championship, when maybe the competition was better at nationals. (No real examples, but still.)
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On December 06 2012 23:24 Ketch wrote:
Narf! So, if Kespa is The Brain who always fails at taking over the world, who is Pinky?
MLG is pinky, obviously
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Get the Sayle-signal! This kind of sucks for the casters.
On December 06 2012 23:29 Zarjax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 23:24 Ketch wrote:
Narf! So, if Kespa is The Brain who always fails at taking over the world, who is Pinky?
MLG is pinky, obviously
MLG: What are we going to this season Kespa?
Kespa: The same thing we do every season. Try to take over eSports!
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Why is MLG tweeting so enthusiastic, it feels like really bad marketing at the moment.
Because right now I read it like this:
"Hey guys, Kespa fucked OGN after half a year of preparation, 1 week before the event.
And you know what? They gave us the rights instead, aren't you happy for us??? :D :D"
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also i am sure mlg would cast replays ? or like what ? its laggy its not like your THERE its always bad cast from other end of the world for everything ... but hey why use doa and co who came to korea to cast it ... kespa go away
MLG must watch up, if they got all the hate from the kespa thing its so bad for reputation, i even think to cancel gold membership because of such things !
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Imagine Pro League with Apollo and Axslav.
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On December 06 2012 23:29 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 23:17 HomeWorld wrote:On December 06 2012 23:14 Pimpmuckl wrote:
I don't get KeSPA. First they lean Jaedong AND let EGTL take place in the most prestigious team league ever.
And now this? Like whaaaaaaaaat? I don't get it. Correction: in the most BW prestigious team league. Cannot say this yet for SC2. Sort of makes it the most prestigious SC2 as well. Its got that lineage and history that makes it prestigious. That is why older traditions are most pretigious, because they've been around longer, not necessarily because they are better. IE: Winning a World Championship, when maybe the competition was better at nationals. (No real examples, but still.)
By your logic Liverpool is still relevant in football.
Proleague was top dog in SCBW, cool. I'm sure some SC2 fans would argue that GSTL thus far has its place as top team league, especially after that hybrid league disaster.
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On December 06 2012 23:31 BlazeFury01 wrote:
Imagine Pro League with Apollo and Axslav.
jaeh, super analytic, correct, without any question professionel, but still boring cast ,.. juhuu ... it isnt the same from the other side of the planet dude
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On December 06 2012 23:32 CoR wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 23:31 BlazeFury01 wrote:
Imagine Pro League with Apollo and Axslav. jaeh, super analytic, correct, without any question professionel, but still boring cast ,.. juhuu ... it isnt the same from the other side of the planet dude
Well, It's kinda hard to get both. You could mix and match I suppose. What about Axeloss and Artosis? Hah
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On December 06 2012 23:20 hautfein wrote:
In my opinion this is actually a good thing. Kespa saves a large amount of money by not paying overpaid and mostly incompetent western casters.
I normally watch any tournament with sound off to prevent myself from brain damage by listening to completely wrong assessments from Day9 and other self-centered casters.
If there is one thing the Esports community should stop it's throwing money at casters for basically doing nothing but throwing their mostly uneducated opinion at the game.
Many progamers have stated that it's a far better job to be a caster and if we change that more money can go to the players enforcing a stronger competition.
Nice move, Kespa!
jaeh you not liking castings its like say "oh football without commentators is so much better jaeh nice" and 99% of the people shut down the tv...
day9 artosis tastless apollo and co are the reason for me and alot of others to watch it ... i not watch the mlg top8 finals because of i dont like the casters
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It's not proleague if I understand what is being said anyway  tis a shame though nonetheless
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On December 06 2012 23:24 BlazeFury01 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 23:15 DarkLordOlli wrote:On December 06 2012 23:14 Pimpmuckl wrote:
I don't get KeSPA. First they lean Jaedong AND let EGTL take place in the most prestigious team league ever.
And now this? Like whaaaaaaaaat? I don't get it. It's KeSPA. If there's anything to learn about them, it's that they don't give a shit about anything except their struggle to dominate the world, starting with eSports in korea. Well, Kespa did "create and solidify" esports in Korea. According to the Wikipedia page Kespa manages a total of 25 different games.
That. Is a really cool story. And also totally irrelevant. You're saying that England should dominate the soccer world and have control over every single player, broadcast, ETC. just because that's where it started? According to your logic, they should have every right to demand that!
+ Show Spoiler +No, it's retarded. Just because they more or less started it it doesn't mean they automatically have the right to control all other eSports organisations in Korea (OGN, GOM, ESF, etc). Starcraft does not belong to them. Sure KeSPA did a lot of things to popularize eSports in Korea but that doesn't mean they should be allowed to just dick around wherever they want and demand some kind of super-power that allows them to control what every other organisation does. Which, sadly, is what KeSPA keeps trying to do.
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On December 06 2012 22:17 Fluffboll wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 22:15 BigBossX wrote:
Lol what the fuck is wrong with you people, so what if there's no English broadcast? Are you telling me the only reason you were going to tune in was to watch English casts or to watch awesome games? Personally I couldn't give a flying fuck about this, I just want to watch some god damn starcraft 2!!! I do not enjoy watching a game which is ruined by korean commentators. Not everyone is you, some people do not like korean casts for whatever reason. There is so much other SC2 content everywhere that I do not need to torture myself with horrible korean casts to watch StarCraft 2.
You didn't answer the question, do you watch starcraft 2 for the casts, or for the games?
Torture yourself with korean casts? just mute the cast, this is exactly what I do with casters I don't like, rather than go and cry about it or not watch the games, I just mute them - wolf and khaldor I'm looking at you.
On December 06 2012 22:23 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 22:15 BigBossX wrote:
Lol what the fuck is wrong with you people, so what if there's no English broadcast? Are you telling me the only reason you were going to tune in was to watch English casts or to watch awesome games? Personally I couldn't give a flying fuck about this, I just want to watch some god damn starcraft 2!!! Opinions, they can be different....
Yet you don't answer the question. This isn't really about opinions, it's about the fact people watch starcraft for the games, not the commentary, or at least they fucking should.
On December 06 2012 22:25 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2012 22:15 BigBossX wrote:
Lol what the fuck is wrong with you people, so what if there's no English broadcast? Are you telling me the only reason you were going to tune in was to watch English casts or to watch awesome games? Personally I couldn't give a flying fuck about this, I just want to watch some god damn starcraft 2!!! Obviously some people on TL won't care. But everyone here speaks and understands English. Not nearly as many people speak or understand Korean. And language barriers are a pretty big deal for a lot of people watching a game that has commentary, unless you want to watch it on mute. As important as high quality games are, many viewers (especially the newer audience who hasn't been watching Korean commentary since BW and playguuuu, etc.) need good casting in a language they understand, partially to keep them focused and hyped and entertained, and partially for the learning and insight. Regardless, the fact that apparently Kespa is straight-out refusing to have English commentators is a blow to the globalization process for them, and it shows that they're not trying to be team players or appeal to a bigger crowd. I hope they get some blowback (either in their numbers being smaller than GOM's, or pressure from MLG) so that English commentary (by casters the community feels comfortable with) is at least an option. Because a lot of people really do care about this. It's not like having English commentators means you can't have Korean ones too.
While I understand your point, it's a very weak one at the most. Incase you haven't noticed viewer numbers/fans are going down, not up. The ones that remain are the more dedicated and interested fans who shouldn't need someone else to hype up the game or entertain them, the games and players are enough for that. That was certainly the case in BW games, and if GSL hadn't had any English casts at all, would this thread even be here right now?
I just think it's just laughable that the foreign audience takes any chance they can get to slate Kespa, and then are surprised when Kespa seems to not give a fuck about them. The same foreign audience who, as soon as foreigners are knocked out of a tournament and it turns into korean vs korean decide they no longer want to watch?
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Korean commentary is best anyway :D
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