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Doominator10
Profile Joined August 2012
United States515 Posts
November 21 2012 11:18 GMT
#421
So how many people have actually playtested the map and are not just spouting first impressions and theory craft? If anything they need to throw the balance onto different maps before a reasonable conclusion can be made.
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JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
November 21 2012 11:18 GMT
#422
On November 21 2012 19:56 AbideWithMe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2012 19:49 Enzymatic wrote:
On November 21 2012 19:47 Arco wrote:
Warp Prism carrying High Templar around will be nice against Infestors. You won't have to worry about losing such a large investment to chain Fungal Growths, and you can protect your delicate Templar from the Zerg army.

I can't tell you how many times I've seen this attempted by pros, but Fungal Growth pretty much immediately shuts it down.


You will instantly lose any HT you drop out of a warp prism to broodlings/roaches/speedlings in a split second. Not really seeing this as a realistic response to Infestors late-game.. MAYBE in the mid-game.. But Protoss doesn't typically have HT out in the mid-game quite yet.

It's quite obvious how angry you are about zerg already but downplaying this absurd nerf to fungal is just kidding yourself. The change won't come this way but as Protoss you should be actually glad if it did because it is enormous.

Show nested quote +
On November 21 2012 19:53 JustPassingBy wrote:
Yes, finally something happening on the balance front.
Even though I do think that the psionic immunity to fungal is redundant and won't solve anything, I'm open to the outcome.
(it might make it harder for the infestor to approach the protoss army and neural the mothership though)

WON'T CHANGE ANYTHING?????? Are you actually listening to yourself? A third of the protoss units would be immune to a spell that seems absolutely necessary for zerg to stay alive against Protoss before Broodlords on the one hand and massively overpowered in a late game situation with broodlords on the other hand.


Well, I think that the big difference is that zerg won't be able to fungal warp prisms anymore and that high templars are now stronger against the infestor.
The rest doesn't really matter that much. Sentries are traditionally not present in the lategame, as are dark templars. Archons are not affected by fungals anymore, but should other units be affected by it, its movement will still remain quite disrupted due to its size. Well, I guess you cannot fungal archons to prevent them to jump into the toilet, however that wasn't really used to begin with.
blackbrrd
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway477 Posts
November 21 2012 11:18 GMT
#423
On November 21 2012 20:11 malaan wrote:
just went 15-0 using warp prism / sentry / immortal all in on this patch against zerg

I dont think this patch is going to work... this all in becomes x10 stronger than it already was

You probably need to wait for people to figure out the new metagame before you can say if this patch will work or not. The new changes are very strong if the zerg player doesn't change his play.
Guamshin
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands295 Posts
November 21 2012 11:19 GMT
#424
I don't understand why Blizzard thinks the game is balanced as long as the win ratio is about even. You can't beat a colossus deathball without Brood lord infestor, you can't beat a strong mech army without brood lord infestor etc etc...

That's what's wrong with the game, your options are way too limited.
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Kitaen
Profile Joined June 2011
Austria466 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-21 11:24:46
November 21 2012 11:20 GMT
#425
On November 21 2012 20:17 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2012 20:15 Kitaen wrote:
or just nerf queens again and prevent all that shit from happening?


FFS, queens have NOTHING to do with the problems of BL/infestor. Zerg just gets there a little easier now.



fo su', droning 80 drones with 6 queens and 10 lings is fine, its not the queen guyszz
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
November 21 2012 11:22 GMT
#426
On November 21 2012 20:20 Kitaen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2012 20:17 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On November 21 2012 20:15 Kitaen wrote:
or just nerf queens again and prevent all that shit from happening?


FFS, queens have NOTHING to do with the problems of BL/infestor. Zerg just gets there a little easier now.



obviousely you have a clue mr. "snipe warprism in 4 hits"


Man you're a genius. I was the one who said you CAN'T snipe warp prisms. At least do your research before trying to offend me.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
AbideWithMe
Profile Joined October 2012
207 Posts
November 21 2012 11:22 GMT
#427
On November 21 2012 20:11 malaan wrote:
just went 15-0 using warp prism / sentry / immortal all in on this patch against zerg

I dont think this patch is going to work... this all in becomes x10 stronger than it already was

LoL. The normal soul train build is normally not countered with infestors as they aren't available if you don't tech rush to them on two base.
Beating a 3 hatch zerg with standard 2 base immortal sentry wp is no indicator of significance of the infestor nerf.

It's like terran saying I beat 10 Zergs in a row going 2 rax. So the raven buff works.

If you have however encountered fast infestor play and were able to kill it off because of the immune sentries/warp prism feel free to provide some replays as they might be a good base to this discussion.
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FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
November 21 2012 11:22 GMT
#428
On November 21 2012 20:18 blackbrrd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2012 20:11 malaan wrote:
just went 15-0 using warp prism / sentry / immortal all in on this patch against zerg

I dont think this patch is going to work... this all in becomes x10 stronger than it already was

You probably need to wait for people to figure out the new metagame before you can say if this patch will work or not. The new changes are very strong if the zerg player doesn't change his play.


New meta?

The meta-game for ZvP has already been pretty much figured out.
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Isualin
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1903 Posts
November 21 2012 11:25 GMT
#429
first poll is basically showing t-p vs z ratios :D
i would like to see a faster but weaker(low damage) seeker missile with lower mana cost. and reduced max mana on ravens to prevent dealing too much aoe damage.
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whereismymind
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom717 Posts
November 21 2012 11:25 GMT
#430
These pools are stupid, because it will always be more people from other 2 races that are ok with nerf. Not in this but in any race nerf situation.
one day.. i'll lose my mind
SKYFISH_
Profile Joined April 2011
Bulgaria990 Posts
November 21 2012 11:25 GMT
#431
On November 21 2012 20:17 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2012 20:15 Kitaen wrote:
or just nerf queens again and prevent all that shit from happening?


FFS, queens have NOTHING to do with the problems of BL/infestor. Zerg just gets there a little easier now.


lol sure, maybe in PvZ
in ZvT the queen buff gave Zergs a free maphack and guaranteed 3 bases with little to no options for T to prevent that
In Soviet Terranistan you rush the Zerg
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
November 21 2012 11:26 GMT
#432
On November 21 2012 20:25 SKYFISH_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2012 20:17 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On November 21 2012 20:15 Kitaen wrote:
or just nerf queens again and prevent all that shit from happening?


FFS, queens have NOTHING to do with the problems of BL/infestor. Zerg just gets there a little easier now.


lol sure, maybe in PvZ
in ZvT the queen buff gave Zergs a free maphack and guaranteed 3 bases with little to no options for T to prevent that


So you wouldn't be bitching about BL/infestor if queens had less range? I somehow can't believe that.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
S_SienZ
Profile Joined September 2011
1878 Posts
November 21 2012 11:26 GMT
#433
On November 21 2012 20:25 SKYFISH_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2012 20:17 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On November 21 2012 20:15 Kitaen wrote:
or just nerf queens again and prevent all that shit from happening?


FFS, queens have NOTHING to do with the problems of BL/infestor. Zerg just gets there a little easier now.


lol sure, maybe in PvZ
in ZvT the queen buff gave Zergs a free maphack and guaranteed 3 bases with little to no options for T to prevent that

11 / 11 rax or die trying
Warchariot
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom42 Posts
November 21 2012 11:27 GMT
#434
I know Dustin Browder thinks Zerg will solve the immortal/sentry all in, but he does make things more difficult,by making them immune to fungal, it was a great way to slow the protoss push because the units clump up.

Would be nice if it revealed the units and stopped them moving, but just didn't do any damage to psionic units
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Derrida
Profile Joined March 2011
2885 Posts
November 21 2012 11:27 GMT
#435
I haven't played the changes, I'm just a spectator of SC2, but I'm expecting these changes to have unintended consequences on DTs and Ghosts, which won't be detected/killed by fungal. Maybe make it so that fungal detects them but does not keep them in place?
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Vapaach
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland994 Posts
November 21 2012 11:28 GMT
#436
I think this is very nice, I wouldn't mind warp prism not being psionic though. Seems a bit strong that warp prism couldn't be stopped with fungal.
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SKYFISH_
Profile Joined April 2011
Bulgaria990 Posts
November 21 2012 11:29 GMT
#437
On November 21 2012 20:26 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2012 20:25 SKYFISH_ wrote:
On November 21 2012 20:17 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On November 21 2012 20:15 Kitaen wrote:
or just nerf queens again and prevent all that shit from happening?


FFS, queens have NOTHING to do with the problems of BL/infestor. Zerg just gets there a little easier now.


lol sure, maybe in PvZ
in ZvT the queen buff gave Zergs a free maphack and guaranteed 3 bases with little to no options for T to prevent that


So you wouldn't be bitching about BL/infestor if queens had less range? I somehow can't believe that.


have you seen anyone bitch about BL/infestor before the ''15 minute no attack'' patch?

so yeah, better believe it
In Soviet Terranistan you rush the Zerg
MiND.GaMeS
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Germany218 Posts
November 21 2012 11:30 GMT
#438
On November 21 2012 20:28 Vapaach wrote:
I think this is very nice, I wouldn't mind warp prism not being psionic though. Seems a bit strong that warp prism couldn't be stopped with fungal.

I like the patch a lot and it makes all the sense in the world BUT i think it's a bit unfair that you can fungal medivacs but not warp prisms. Until this day i didn't even realize that warp prisms were psionic o.O doesn't even make sense to me. A possible solution: Maybe just change the unit-type and everything will be fine?
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
November 21 2012 11:31 GMT
#439
On November 21 2012 20:27 Warchariot wrote:
I know Dustin Browder thinks Zerg will solve the immortal/sentry all in, but he does make things more difficult,by making them immune to fungal, it was a great way to slow the protoss push because the units clump up.

Would be nice if it revealed the units and stopped them moving, but just didn't do any damage to psionic units


That wouldn't change anything at all. Fungal doesn't need to do damage to work with BL/infestor, it just needs to stun units and BLs will kill them. Maybe the other way around so it'd just do damage but didn't stun/slow.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
FinalForm
Profile Joined August 2010
United States450 Posts
November 21 2012 11:32 GMT
#440
remember this is the same company that wanted to give queens 50 starting energy, they don't know what they're doing
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