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leveller
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1840 Posts
November 06 2012 21:22 GMT
#221
If I was a terran player I would feel shafted =/ with only battle hellion and this "mine"... Come to to think of it I still feel shafted lol
ratbert
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1041 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-06 21:28:31
November 06 2012 21:23 GMT
#222
my personal favorite part of this interview:

Any players in particular you are interested in?

I love SKT1 Rain, LG-IM MVP, AcerScarlett and EG Stephano. I hope Stephano wins the WCS.


what if Nat Pagle and RNGesus are the same person?
Corrosive
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3741 Posts
November 06 2012 21:27 GMT
#223
I read somewhere that someone said david Kim was an idiot that only looked at statistics and I thought that was silly. But I'm starting to think its true. Win rate doesn't indicate balance even if its 50/50. If half the games are an all in from p like immortal sentry and the other half are massed investors with broodlords with the occasional win coming from just being much much better than the opponent (on either side) then there is something messed up with the matchup. Just because a protoss wins a tournament doesn't mean everything is OK. I hate when people call statistics as their proof of no imbalance. Its the shittiest matchup to watch and to play. SO boring
Maruprime.
A.Alm
Profile Joined September 2012
Sweden535 Posts
November 06 2012 21:27 GMT
#224
On November 07 2012 06:23 ratbert wrote:
my personal favorite of this interview:

Show nested quote +
Any players in particular you are interested in?

I love SKT1 Rain, LG-IM MVP, AcerScarlett and EG Stephano. I hope Stephano wins the WCS.





That explains why he does not want to nerf the infestor.

He want's stephano to win tournaments!
Jimbo77
Profile Joined March 2011
139 Posts
November 06 2012 21:30 GMT
#225
For instance, Protoss has Temepst to deal with BL-Infestors much more efficiently.
Only freak like answerer could consider Tempest to be a good help against zerg's late game dominance.
Whole the world talk to blizzard (in interviews, at forums) that the infestors are the stupidest unit, and it must be nerfed/redesigned, but that's okey, just use Tempest.
How do i want these two clowns(d kim, d browder) leave this company.
SKYFISH_
Profile Joined April 2011
Bulgaria990 Posts
November 06 2012 21:32 GMT
#226
On November 07 2012 04:37 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2012 04:33 Chr15t wrote:
On November 07 2012 01:26 aTnClouD wrote:
How can he think the game is fine when people are leaving SC2 to watch League of Legends? There are serious issues that are shrinking the amount of people interested in the game and watching tournaments and all he can say is that the winrates and race distributions are fine. The incompetence and arrogance shown by David Kim make speechless every time. Seriously he's so bad at his job.


I just wanted to quote cloud for once - mirrors my thoughts


Could you avoid doing that? It makes it seem like his opinion matters or he has something valuable to say. My friends and I watched both SC2 and LoL this weekend and had a great time. Shockingly, we are able to enjoy both with no issues.


what a mean thing to say, as if your opinion matters more or is more valuable
In Soviet Terranistan you rush the Zerg
aZealot
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand5447 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-06 21:43:26
November 06 2012 21:43 GMT
#227
On November 07 2012 05:22 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2012 04:48 MetaMorphicX wrote:
On November 07 2012 04:37 Plansix wrote:
On November 07 2012 04:33 Chr15t wrote:
On November 07 2012 01:26 aTnClouD wrote:
How can he think the game is fine when people are leaving SC2 to watch League of Legends? There are serious issues that are shrinking the amount of people interested in the game and watching tournaments and all he can say is that the winrates and race distributions are fine. The incompetence and arrogance shown by David Kim make speechless every time. Seriously he's so bad at his job.


I just wanted to quote cloud for once - mirrors my thoughts


Could you avoid doing that? It makes it seem like his opinion matters or he has something valuable to say. My friends and I watched both SC2 and LoL this weekend and had a great time. Shockingly, we are able to enjoy both with no issues.


Your opinion matters even less than Clouds... Nobody said MLG was boring, but only that zerg lategame is. If you enjoy it, it's probably because you're retarded, hence the watching of LoL as well.


Although I will always agree that my opinion is not very important, Cloud’s opinion equally as irrelevant. I have never heard him say anything positive or constructive that should be taken seriously. I have never seen him make a reasonable argument about anything and mostly whines about how badly he feels game is made, yet he continues to play.



Good point. He is little more than a serial whiner. It's rather ironic as this is his job (as a SC2 pro or semi-pro) but he constantly whines about how bad it all is. Given that he chooses to game for a living (something a lot of other people would envy) he needs to get his head out of his ass. You don't like your job? Fine. Get another. If you can't or won't, then shut up about how bad it is. A lot of other people do terrible jobs (far worse than playing a race you don't like in game you constantly run down) and get on with it. Cloud might want to think about that, and either get better or just shut up already.

As they say, a bad workman blames his tools.

(I swear, there are few things worse than mediocre foreign terran pros, constantly crying about hard it all is.)
KT best KT ~ 2014
Crawdad
Profile Joined September 2012
614 Posts
November 06 2012 21:44 GMT
#228
A lot of hate for DK in this thread...

I actually feel good about this interview.
Redesigns for Void Ray and Raven, buffs to Carrier and possibly Reaper. Sounds good.
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
November 06 2012 21:47 GMT
#229
I honestly don't understand the hate DK is getting in this thread, I thought he gave good responses...
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
Elite_
Profile Joined June 2012
United States4259 Posts
November 06 2012 21:48 GMT
#230
On November 07 2012 01:02 wwowz wrote:
Many Protoss players have been complaining that it is impossible to deal with BL-Infestor combo. Some pro-players are suggesting that it is impossible to beat late game PvZ.


Yes we are aware that such issues are present. However in Starleague, Protoss players dominated against zerg players and considering other tournaments, PvZ is not completely one sided. There is a problem with the match up but we believe that it can be fixed through various patches. As for now, we should take time to decide wether this is a serious problem or not. If we believe that it is not an issue, balance updates will be focused on HOTS.


THANX RAIN.
masaker
Profile Joined September 2012
23 Posts
November 06 2012 21:50 GMT
#231
Omg why are you Terrans still complaining ? Try to use ghosts properly. 2 EMPs on clumped infestors and game is over just go and practice.

Yeah festors need a bit of nerf .. like lesser radius, a bit lower DMG for FG. But nothing too dramatic.
Tuczniak
Profile Joined September 2010
1561 Posts
November 06 2012 21:50 GMT
#232
Haha, I'm never disappointed in visiting threads like this. I always find so much whining, it makes me very happy.
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
November 06 2012 21:51 GMT
#233
Conspiracy Theory: Doesn't wanna nerf Zerg so Stephano can win more.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 06 2012 21:51 GMT
#234
On November 07 2012 06:32 SKYFISH_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2012 04:37 Plansix wrote:
On November 07 2012 04:33 Chr15t wrote:
On November 07 2012 01:26 aTnClouD wrote:
How can he think the game is fine when people are leaving SC2 to watch League of Legends? There are serious issues that are shrinking the amount of people interested in the game and watching tournaments and all he can say is that the winrates and race distributions are fine. The incompetence and arrogance shown by David Kim make speechless every time. Seriously he's so bad at his job.


I just wanted to quote cloud for once - mirrors my thoughts


Could you avoid doing that? It makes it seem like his opinion matters or he has something valuable to say. My friends and I watched both SC2 and LoL this weekend and had a great time. Shockingly, we are able to enjoy both with no issues.


what a mean thing to say, as if your opinion matters more or is more valuable


What can I say, I am tired of being nice about it. I am tired of the semi-professional SC2 players shouting from the heavens that SC2 is dying the LoL is taking over every time some piece of news comes out. It gets old fast. I am tired of people calling David Kim an idiot because is not reacting to the community’s demands and waiting, which is what the community asked for previously. Of players whining that Blizzard is not making the game easier for them.

These interviews were the first interesting piece of news I have read on TL. The rest has been community non-sense.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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insanet
Profile Joined January 2010
Peru439 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-06 21:59:31
November 06 2012 21:54 GMT
#235
On November 07 2012 06:27 Corrosive wrote:
I read somewhere that someone said david Kim was an idiot that only looked at statistics and I thought that was silly. But I'm starting to think its true. Win rate doesn't indicate balance even if its 50/50. If half the games are an all in from p like immortal sentry and the other half are massed investors with broodlords with the occasional win coming from just being much much better than the opponent (on either side) then there is something messed up with the matchup. Just because a protoss wins a tournament doesn't mean everything is OK. I hate when people call statistics as their proof of no imbalance. Its the shittiest matchup to watch and to play. SO boring


you know what is even worse? David Kim use Overall stats, when he says 50/50 he includes bronze,silver and gold league stats. Who in their right mind woulld include stats from bronze league?.


Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10366 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-06 21:58:15
November 06 2012 21:55 GMT
#236
On November 07 2012 06:27 Corrosive wrote:
I read somewhere that someone said david Kim was an idiot that only looked at statistics and I thought that was silly. But I'm starting to think its true. Win rate doesn't indicate balance even if its 50/50. If half the games are an all in from p like immortal sentry and the other half are massed investors with broodlords with the occasional win coming from just being much much better than the opponent (on either side) then there is something messed up with the matchup. Just because a protoss wins a tournament doesn't mean everything is OK. I hate when people call statistics as their proof of no imbalance. Its the shittiest matchup to watch and to play. SO boring


He's not saying the stats PROVE that, he's just stating that as an indicator. A lot of people seem to think that Blizzard should give extremely direct answers but is that really good for Blizz? When you're developing something you probably want some privacy don't you think? Him saying that they're keeping an eye on things should be enough. For example if he says BL/infestor is OP, instead of it seems it's OP and that we get a lot of feedback about it, then people will probably expect a nerf and/or everyone watching games vs Z will watch in disgust as even the balancer thinks it's OP. But then what if they determine it's not OP? that would then disappoint players, making them seem incompetent because they change their minds so often


I don't understand why so many people read into things so deeply. Also remember it's a translation, exact wording isn't possible. When people scrutinize wording in an interview so much, do you think they'll even want to give interviews anymore?

On November 07 2012 06:51 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2012 06:32 SKYFISH_ wrote:
On November 07 2012 04:37 Plansix wrote:
On November 07 2012 04:33 Chr15t wrote:
On November 07 2012 01:26 aTnClouD wrote:
How can he think the game is fine when people are leaving SC2 to watch League of Legends? There are serious issues that are shrinking the amount of people interested in the game and watching tournaments and all he can say is that the winrates and race distributions are fine. The incompetence and arrogance shown by David Kim make speechless every time. Seriously he's so bad at his job.


I just wanted to quote cloud for once - mirrors my thoughts


Could you avoid doing that? It makes it seem like his opinion matters or he has something valuable to say. My friends and I watched both SC2 and LoL this weekend and had a great time. Shockingly, we are able to enjoy both with no issues.


what a mean thing to say, as if your opinion matters more or is more valuable


What can I say, I am tired of being nice about it. I am tired of the semi-professional SC2 players shouting from the heavens that SC2 is dying the LoL is taking over every time some piece of news comes out. It gets old fast. I am tired of people calling David Kim an idiot because is not reacting to the community’s demands and waiting, which is what the community asked for previously. Of players whining that Blizzard is not making the game easier for them.

These interviews were the first interesting piece of news I have read on TL. The rest has been community non-sense.



Wow, totally agree. Seriously everyone just whines too much. QQQQ. You want A then you want B then you want A again and it repeats then you call them idiots for not doing X and Y (responding or listening to the community). This interview was very interesting to me, as it shows once again they know what the fuck they're doing, even if they're not going to be able to fix it so quickly.
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
Satiinifi
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland192 Posts
November 06 2012 21:57 GMT
#237
Its so disgusting if you check blizzards forums are filled with nothing but complaining about zerg and yet mr dk thinks everything is fucking fine and dandy.
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10366 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-06 21:59:12
November 06 2012 21:58 GMT
#238
On November 07 2012 06:57 Satiinifi wrote:
Its so disgusting if you check blizzards forums are filled with nothing but complaining about zerg and yet mr dk thinks everything is fucking fine and dandy.


Cus Blizz should answer the demands of a bunch of players who may or may not be a vocal minority, and who are mostly all probably lower than Masters.

have u seen the stupidity on those forums?
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
Skyro
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1823 Posts
November 06 2012 21:59 GMT
#239
On November 07 2012 06:54 insanet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2012 06:27 Corrosive wrote:
I read somewhere that someone said david Kim was an idiot that only looked at statistics and I thought that was silly. But I'm starting to think its true. Win rate doesn't indicate balance even if its 50/50. If half the games are an all in from p like immortal sentry and the other half are massed investors with broodlords with the occasional win coming from just being much much better than the opponent (on either side) then there is something messed up with the matchup. Just because a protoss wins a tournament doesn't mean everything is OK. I hate when people call statistics as their proof of no imbalance. Its the shittiest matchup to watch and to play. SO boring


you know what is even worse? David Kim use Overall stats, when he says 50/50 he includes bronze,silver and gold league stats. Who in their right mind will include stats from bronze league?.




Why do you automatically assume this? Previous interviews with DK or blogs he's written also cite statistics which are broken down by league, by game length, etc. The whine in this thread getting silly.
ES.Genie
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1370 Posts
November 06 2012 22:00 GMT
#240
On November 07 2012 01:25 OpticalShot wrote:

- Still can't make custom names for custom games like BW and WC3.

Changes will come to custom game system, but no custom names.

What? I'm usually not someone who complains about things like this, but damn what is the fucking problem with custom names? Is it such a huge deal for them to implement these? oO
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