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On November 07 2012 06:58 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 06:57 Satiinifi wrote:
Its so disgusting if you check blizzards forums are filled with nothing but complaining about zerg and yet mr dk thinks everything is fucking fine and dandy. Cus Blizz should answer the demands of a bunch of players who may or may not be a vocal minority, and who are mostly all probably lower than Masters. have u seen the stupidity on those forums?
Back in the day when it was reversed about terran they nerfed terran aproximately 20 times in a row. So stop talking rubbish.
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On November 07 2012 06:43 aZealot wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 05:22 Plansix wrote:On November 07 2012 04:48 MetaMorphicX wrote:On November 07 2012 04:37 Plansix wrote:On November 07 2012 04:33 Chr15t wrote:On November 07 2012 01:26 aTnClouD wrote:
How can he think the game is fine when people are leaving SC2 to watch League of Legends? There are serious issues that are shrinking the amount of people interested in the game and watching tournaments and all he can say is that the winrates and race distributions are fine. The incompetence and arrogance shown by David Kim make speechless every time. Seriously he's so bad at his job. I just wanted to quote cloud for once - mirrors my thoughts Could you avoid doing that? It makes it seem like his opinion matters or he has something valuable to say. My friends and I watched both SC2 and LoL this weekend and had a great time. Shockingly, we are able to enjoy both with no issues. Your opinion matters even less than Clouds... Nobody said MLG was boring, but only that zerg lategame is. If you enjoy it, it's probably because you're retarded, hence the watching of LoL as well. Although I will always agree that my opinion is not very important, Cloud’s opinion equally as irrelevant. I have never heard him say anything positive or constructive that should be taken seriously. I have never seen him make a reasonable argument about anything and mostly whines about how badly he feels game is made, yet he continues to play. Good point. He is little more than a serial whiner. It's rather ironic as this is his job (as a SC2 pro or semi-pro) but he constantly whines about how bad it all is. Given that he chooses to game for a living (something a lot of other people would envy) he needs to get his head out of his ass. You don't like your job? Fine. Get another. If you can't or won't, then shut up about how bad it is. A lot of other people do terrible jobs (far worse than playing a race you don't like in game you constantly run down) and get on with it. Cloud might want to think about that, and either get better or just shut up already. As they say, a bad workman blames his tools. (I swear, there are few things worse than mediocre foreign terran pros, constantly crying about hard it all is.)
Didn’t Artosis say something about that a year ago? That he couldn’t wait until they balanced terran so the players how good they really were at SC2. I remember those days. Not everyone can be Demulsim, who just said in a blog “I lose because it’s my fault, I need to stop making excuses. That isn’t how you win”.
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On November 07 2012 07:00 ES.Genie wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 01:25 OpticalShot wrote:
- Still can't make custom names for custom games like BW and WC3.
Changes will come to custom game system, but no custom names.
What? I'm usually not someone who complains about things like this, but damn what is the fucking problem with custom names? Is it such a huge deal for them to implement these? oO
they probably want to avoid stupid names that some people would use
they don't want people seeing this on their new battle.net 2.0:
JOHNS FFA
micro tournament, no noobs
SEKS BARN monobattle ^_^
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On November 07 2012 07:01 Satiinifi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 06:58 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On November 07 2012 06:57 Satiinifi wrote:
Its so disgusting if you check blizzards forums are filled with nothing but complaining about zerg and yet mr dk thinks everything is fucking fine and dandy. Cus Blizz should answer the demands of a bunch of players who may or may not be a vocal minority, and who are mostly all probably lower than Masters. have u seen the stupidity on those forums? Back in the day when it was reversed about terran they nerfed terran aproximately 20 times in a row. So stop talking rubbish.
Logical fallacy, it doesn't follow.
1) sequential events doesn't equate to cause and effect
2) there may be nerfs in the future
3) didn't address my argument that there are a bunch of idiots or just really bad players on Bnet that QQ about everything
4) doesn't address that it may be a vocal minority
5) doesn't address the fact that previously Blizz fixed things so quickly, but then community said they shouldn't be so hasty, now everyone QQs cus they're not hasty
6) also back then terrans were dominating hard, whereas zergs now aren't dominating as hard as terrans were back then -- the situation is different. Zerg lategame BL/infestor is strong but that doesn't mean the MU is imbalanced, whatever way you consider that to be
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On November 07 2012 06:58 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 06:57 Satiinifi wrote:
Its so disgusting if you check blizzards forums are filled with nothing but complaining about zerg and yet mr dk thinks everything is fucking fine and dandy. Cus Blizz should answer the demands of a bunch of players who may or may not be a vocal minority, and who are mostly all probably lower than Masters. have u seen the stupidity on those forums?
Seemed to work for all the Terran nerfs when zerg were crying.
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On November 07 2012 06:57 Satiinifi wrote:
Its so disgusting if you check blizzards forums are filled with nothing but complaining about zerg and yet mr dk thinks everything is fucking fine and dandy.
They've been complaining on the blizzard forums since the advent of SC2. I think it's more disgusting that the irrational mentality to whine is spilling over into TL. Where some pro-gamers -- and maybe high masters-GM to an extent may be affected by the possible imbalance, everyone else who is entirely unaffected runs off and champions the cause when they hear their favorite personality (Destiny) endorse it.
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On November 07 2012 07:05 Scila wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 06:58 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On November 07 2012 06:57 Satiinifi wrote:
Its so disgusting if you check blizzards forums are filled with nothing but complaining about zerg and yet mr dk thinks everything is fucking fine and dandy. Cus Blizz should answer the demands of a bunch of players who may or may not be a vocal minority, and who are mostly all probably lower than Masters. have u seen the stupidity on those forums? Seemed to work for all the Terran nerfs when zerg were crying.
So a bunch of Protoss players could just start doing a coordinated QQ session on Bnet, and then Blizzard should answer their demands quickly and blindly without investigating things first, and using their experience and skills -- much greater than those of us -- to make sure the QQ is justified?
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So much crap here, TL is turning into Battle.net forums day by day.
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On November 07 2012 07:05 Scila wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 06:58 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On November 07 2012 06:57 Satiinifi wrote:
Its so disgusting if you check blizzards forums are filled with nothing but complaining about zerg and yet mr dk thinks everything is fucking fine and dandy. Cus Blizz should answer the demands of a bunch of players who may or may not be a vocal minority, and who are mostly all probably lower than Masters. have u seen the stupidity on those forums? Seemed to work for all the Terran nerfs when zerg were crying.
Well terran was winning before players could even get beyond 2 bases. Everyone remember close positions vs terrans when they could rax before supply depot. Hell, they used to one base the shit out of protoss. Or just crush ever Bit-by-bitPrime style and box their workers, backed up by 6 marines. Those were the days. End game was some myth protoss heard about and getting storm and colossi at the same time was unheard of.
So yeah, it was a little different back then. Flash made it to the top three of MGL. In the era of GomTvT, 7 of the top 8 were terrans.
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Its funny how some people see all this "whine" as irrational and stupid. At some point the the whine and complaining means something and says something about the game. It doesnt happen in a vacuum and it is infact irrational to assume that most people are irrational. The complaints and whine about infestors have reached the level that it cant be dismissed as stupid nonsense and noobs crying.
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On November 07 2012 06:50 masaker wrote:
Omg why are you Terrans still complaining ? Try to use ghosts properly. 2 EMPs on clumped infestors and game is over just go and practice.
Yeah festors need a bit of nerf .. like lesser radius, a bit lower DMG for FG. But nothing too dramatic.
EMP is not anywhere near as effective vs infestors as you might think. They don't clump like HT do because they are too fat. Honestly, I think balance would be helped a lot by simply making the infestors smaller so they can clump better....
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On November 07 2012 07:13 Fjodorov wrote:
Its funny how some people see all this "whine" as irrational and stupid. At some point the the whine and complaining means something and says something about the game. It doesnt happen in a vacuum and it is infact irrational to assume that most people are irrational. The complaints and whine about infestors have reached the level that it cant be dismissed as stupid nonsense and noobs crying.
Does any remember the marauder in the first year of SC2? Or mutas 8 months ago? Or the marine when MKP showed us all how awesome it was? This has all happened before and it will all happen again.
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On November 07 2012 07:13 Fjodorov wrote:
Its funny how some people see all this "whine" as irrational and stupid. At some point the the whine and complaining means something and says something about the game. It doesnt happen in a vacuum and it is infact irrational to assume that most people are irrational. The complaints and whine about infestors have reached the level that it cant be dismissed as stupid nonsense and noobs crying.
Well whether there is "enough" QQing or not is highly subjective. Also what argument do you have for it not being in a vacuum?
Just an example, many people have been saying mech doesn't work vs Z, yet we've still seen it used occasionally, and do well enough to seem viable. And now more recently, we've been seeing more mech in TvZ with the repopularization of hellion/banshee openers and now even the BFH/viking opening MVP kept using vs Life in GSL Finals.
If they buffed that, then the community would then complain that it was too hasty. Same with TvT mech, how it become so popular suddenly and then was quickly nerfed via BFH.
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Is there anyone gonna translate the second interview?
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On November 07 2012 07:13 Fjodorov wrote:
Its funny how some people see all this "whine" as irrational and stupid. At some point the the whine and complaining means something and says something about the game. It doesnt happen in a vacuum and it is infact irrational to assume that most people are irrational. The complaints and whine about infestors have reached the level that it cant be dismissed as stupid nonsense and noobs crying.
There will always be whining and complaining no matter how well designed and balanced the game is. You really want to give credence to it because it's especially numerous?
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On November 07 2012 07:12 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 07:05 Scila wrote:On November 07 2012 06:58 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On November 07 2012 06:57 Satiinifi wrote:
Its so disgusting if you check blizzards forums are filled with nothing but complaining about zerg and yet mr dk thinks everything is fucking fine and dandy. Cus Blizz should answer the demands of a bunch of players who may or may not be a vocal minority, and who are mostly all probably lower than Masters. have u seen the stupidity on those forums? Seemed to work for all the Terran nerfs when zerg were crying. Well terran was winning before players could even get beyond 2 bases. Everyone remember close positions vs terrans when they could rax before supply depot. Hell, they used to one base the shit out of protoss. Or just crush ever Bit-by-bitPrime style and box their workers, backed up by 6 marines. Those were the days. End game was some myth protoss heard about and getting storm and colossi at the same time was unheard of.
Oh I see, so because Zerg wins all the time in late game its ok.
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On November 07 2012 07:10 Ramiz1989 wrote:
So much crap here, TL is turning into Battle.net forums day by day.
Implying TL was ever any better. It's just moderated better. The post values are generally the same. There's good and bad.
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On November 07 2012 07:26 Scila wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 07:12 Plansix wrote:On November 07 2012 07:05 Scila wrote:On November 07 2012 06:58 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On November 07 2012 06:57 Satiinifi wrote:
Its so disgusting if you check blizzards forums are filled with nothing but complaining about zerg and yet mr dk thinks everything is fucking fine and dandy. Cus Blizz should answer the demands of a bunch of players who may or may not be a vocal minority, and who are mostly all probably lower than Masters. have u seen the stupidity on those forums? Seemed to work for all the Terran nerfs when zerg were crying. Well terran was winning before players could even get beyond 2 bases. Everyone remember close positions vs terrans when they could rax before supply depot. Hell, they used to one base the shit out of protoss. Or just crush ever Bit-by-bitPrime style and box their workers, backed up by 6 marines. Those were the days. End game was some myth protoss heard about and getting storm and colossi at the same time was unheard of. Oh I see, so because Zerg wins all the time in late game its ok.
I'd love to see them for one day revert everything back to day 1 WoL release on this map pool. Just to see how shit plays out. So many nerfs and buffs were applied due to a incredibly horrible map pool that didn't allow anything other than 1 base allins/2 base if you were zerg.
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On November 07 2012 07:19 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 07:13 Fjodorov wrote:
Its funny how some people see all this "whine" as irrational and stupid. At some point the the whine and complaining means something and says something about the game. It doesnt happen in a vacuum and it is infact irrational to assume that most people are irrational. The complaints and whine about infestors have reached the level that it cant be dismissed as stupid nonsense and noobs crying. Well whether there is "enough" QQing or not is highly subjective. Also what argument do you have for it not being in a vacuum? Just an example, many people have been saying mech doesn't work vs Z, yet we've still seen it used occasionally, and do well enough to seem viable. And now more recently, we've been seeing more mech in TvZ with the repopularization of hellion/banshee openers and now even the BFH/viking opening MVP kept using vs Life in GSL Finals. If they buffed that, then the community would then complain that it was too hasty. Same with TvT mech, how it become so popular suddenly and then was quickly nerfed via BFH.
The mech argument is great because most people who try to "mech" just build tanks and then complain when they don't destory every unit their opponent throws at them. If you listen to any who played mech in BW(idra, artosis), they said it was extreamly hard and unforgiving, yet every amature play cries from the heavens that mech isn't viable and needs to be fixed. Yet, when Blizzard add mechanical units to the factory, they complain that those units are not "proper" mech units and demanding a buff to the siege tank. And after all of that, Flash appears and shows us we all have idea what we are talking about and uses thors and tanks against zerg, crushing his way to third place in MLG.
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Are we still going on about zerg being OP with broodlord infestor?
Please remind me who won WCS Asia and OSL finals? Was that a zerg? How many times has MVP been in the finals? Does he play zerg?
Some people are so delusional...
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