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On November 02 2012 00:08 Fjodorov wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 23:53 AngryMag wrote:On November 01 2012 23:49 Shinespark wrote:
I'm pretty sure Rain didn't choose this alone or he really, really doesn't know what MLG is. Cause an open bracket over code S is absurd. Why? You have to put yourself in his shoes, it is not all about the game, it is the first chance for the guy to visit a western culture, he is young and wants to get around, see the world and stuff. GSL won't end, he will get plenty of chances to play GSL again.. As mentioned before, the GSL finals in in Las vegas so i doubt "visiting a western culture" is the reason.
Rain is very good, but with the competition in GSL it is faaarrr from sure that he would make the final while MLG is a safe bet for going to the US.
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On November 01 2012 23:04 MiQ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 22:32 Doodsmack wrote:On November 01 2012 22:21 MiQ wrote:
Wow... not so much of a fan anymore. This sucks. Clearly you weren't much of a fan in the first place if this is enough for you to jump ship lol. Or you're just a d____ q____ spewing some hyperbole out of your mouth. Probably the latter. He's an 18 year old kid who wants to experience the thrill of being cheered on by foreign fans, cut him some slack. Not sure why you feel the need to attack me but whatever. I just don't see how he couldn't manage to plan this ahead of time and play in both tourneys. Feels like he's going more for the money than anything which, to me, is pretty sad. Saying he just wants more exposure is kinda dumb. Winning the GSL is so much more prestigious than winning MLG. Overall it feels like a huge let down for the fans. As much as I like him I hope he gets knocked out quick so he has some time to think about it.
Wow I guess people will really draw wild conclusions out of this. He's in it for the money? He probably just wants to meet the foreign fans and feel the excitement of them cheering for him, man. He won the OSL and then decided he wanted to play in MLG, and there was a scheduling conflict. You could call it a mistake to decide last minute, but he's just a 18 year old kid who wants to travel abroad for his passion, cut him some slack. You're going straight for a dire and worst-case assumption when it's just not needed.
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rain could've just gone to the next MLG after lol
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On November 02 2012 00:10 ZerglingTwins wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 00:02 achan1058 wrote:
Honestly, I hope he bombs out due to a bunch of cheeses/fatique at this point. One simply does not pull last minute stuff like this. Don't hate on players, hate SKT, hate GSL rush season, hate MLG.
I don't hate the player. Him bombing out would make KeSPA look bad, that's all.
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On November 02 2012 00:02 achan1058 wrote:
Honestly, I hope he bombs out due to a bunch of cheeses/fatique at this point. One simply does not pull last minute stuff like this.
Knocked out by combat-ex first round.
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On November 01 2012 23:01 BraveProbe wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 22:44 Doodsmack wrote:On November 01 2012 22:32 BraveProbe wrote:
This is absolutely ridiculous. I don't know who the hell is ultimately responsible for rain's exit but this has really hurt GSL's credibility.
It's this kind of dramatic exaggeration that really doesn't do anyone any good. Losing one player for one season obviously does not "really hurt" GSL's credibility. Code S is stacked with 31 other great SC2 players. Wait. What? This company is charging $25 for a season's content and people paid to watch the best in the world compete. Then, one of their best players walks out for another tournament a few days before his match. This does not hurt GSL's credibility as they claim to be "the best E-Sports show in the world?" Since when is a paying customer's comment about a de-valuing of the product they've paid for "not doing anyone any good?" The NBA's worst team is one of the best teams in the world, but if OKC walks out for a month mid season to play in another league a viewer is absolutely within reason to criticize the league for this.
Your analogy is clearly absurd considering the NBA is the only league that team plays in. And no this wont hurt GSL's credibility, that's an over dramatic thing to say because this just isn't a huge deal. It's clearly still the best esports show in the world, as it was a couple months ago when Rain wasn't even in the GSL yet.
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On November 02 2012 00:10 sinigang wrote:
Stop with the drama, it's just business, folks. KeSPA and MLG have a partnership contract (http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mlg-and-kespa-announce-exclusive-multi-year-partnership), and so obviously KeSPA has all the right to prioritize this over GSL any day. While yes, GOM has the right to whine like a baby 'cause KeSPA/SKT didn't inform them "on time", but until there's a signed agreement about the exact schedules for cancellation etc., GOM really can't do anything about it. So until then, KeSPA can and will surely get away with these arrogant but petty moves, as we've seen many times before.
Solved!
Let me give you some basic legal/business education. A contract between Person A and Person B does not eliminate the obligations of Person A to Person C. Rain, SKTelecom, and KESPA pulled a D-bag move by cancelling two days before the Code S match.
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On November 02 2012 00:19 achan1058 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 00:10 ZerglingTwins wrote:On November 02 2012 00:02 achan1058 wrote:
Honestly, I hope he bombs out due to a bunch of cheeses/fatique at this point. One simply does not pull last minute stuff like this. Don't hate on players, hate SKT, hate GSL rush season, hate MLG. I don't hate the player. Him bombing out would make KeSPA look bad, that's all.
You don't hate the player? Your statement very clearly came off as directed towards the player and not Kespa.
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They really really have to work together to schedule some events.
This isn't cool man.
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On November 02 2012 00:20 Salient wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 00:10 sinigang wrote:
Stop with the drama, it's just business, folks. KeSPA and MLG have a partnership contract (http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mlg-and-kespa-announce-exclusive-multi-year-partnership), and so obviously KeSPA has all the right to prioritize this over GSL any day. While yes, GOM has the right to whine like a baby 'cause KeSPA/SKT didn't inform them "on time", but until there's a signed agreement about the exact schedules for cancellation etc., GOM really can't do anything about it. So until then, KeSPA can and will surely get away with these arrogant but petty moves, as we've seen many times before.
Solved! Let me give you some basic legal/business education. A contract between Person A and Person B does not eliminate the obligations of Person A to Person C. Rain, SKTelecom, and KESPA pulled a D-bag move by cancelling two days before the Code S match.
Except Rain has ZERO obligation to GSL.
Would you call Stephano a douchebag for never accepting Code S seeds despite being offered many times?
I love how everyone was bitching at Kespa to let the players decide which tournaments to play, then when someone decides to play MLG, the same people are bitching again.
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On November 02 2012 00:23 Condor Hero wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 00:20 Salient wrote:On November 02 2012 00:10 sinigang wrote:
Stop with the drama, it's just business, folks. KeSPA and MLG have a partnership contract (http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mlg-and-kespa-announce-exclusive-multi-year-partnership), and so obviously KeSPA has all the right to prioritize this over GSL any day. While yes, GOM has the right to whine like a baby 'cause KeSPA/SKT didn't inform them "on time", but until there's a signed agreement about the exact schedules for cancellation etc., GOM really can't do anything about it. So until then, KeSPA can and will surely get away with these arrogant but petty moves, as we've seen many times before.
Solved! Let me give you some basic legal/business education. A contract between Person A and Person B does not eliminate the obligations of Person A to Person C. Rain, SKTelecom, and KESPA pulled a D-bag move by cancelling two days before the Code S match. Except Rain has ZERO obligation to GSL. Would you call Stephano a douchebag for never accepting Code S seeds despite being offered many times? I love how everyone was bitching at Kespa to let the players decide which tournaments to play, then when someone decides to play MLG, the same people are bitching again.
We all know what should have been done. Inform GOM 1 week in advance.
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KeSPA players really like their foreign tournys
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On November 02 2012 00:23 Condor Hero wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 00:20 Salient wrote:On November 02 2012 00:10 sinigang wrote:
Stop with the drama, it's just business, folks. KeSPA and MLG have a partnership contract (http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mlg-and-kespa-announce-exclusive-multi-year-partnership), and so obviously KeSPA has all the right to prioritize this over GSL any day. While yes, GOM has the right to whine like a baby 'cause KeSPA/SKT didn't inform them "on time", but until there's a signed agreement about the exact schedules for cancellation etc., GOM really can't do anything about it. So until then, KeSPA can and will surely get away with these arrogant but petty moves, as we've seen many times before.
Solved! Let me give you some basic legal/business education. A contract between Person A and Person B does not eliminate the obligations of Person A to Person C. Rain, SKTelecom, and KESPA pulled a D-bag move by cancelling two days before the Code S match. Except Rain has ZERO obligation to GSL. Would you call Stephano a douchebag for never accepting Code S seeds despite being offered many times?
Except he does.
ANY player once signed up and scheduled to play in ANY event has an obligation to said event.
There would have been no issues if before the deadline for this season Rain just said "I'm out"
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On November 02 2012 00:23 Condor Hero wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 00:20 Salient wrote:On November 02 2012 00:10 sinigang wrote:
Stop with the drama, it's just business, folks. KeSPA and MLG have a partnership contract (http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mlg-and-kespa-announce-exclusive-multi-year-partnership), and so obviously KeSPA has all the right to prioritize this over GSL any day. While yes, GOM has the right to whine like a baby 'cause KeSPA/SKT didn't inform them "on time", but until there's a signed agreement about the exact schedules for cancellation etc., GOM really can't do anything about it. So until then, KeSPA can and will surely get away with these arrogant but petty moves, as we've seen many times before.
Solved! Let me give you some basic legal/business education. A contract between Person A and Person B does not eliminate the obligations of Person A to Person C. Rain, SKTelecom, and KESPA pulled a D-bag move by cancelling two days before the Code S match. Except Rain has ZERO obligation to GSL. Would you call Stephano a douchebag for never accepting Code S seeds despite being offered many times? I love how everyone was bitching at Kespa to let the players decide which tournaments to play, then when someone decides to play MLG, the same people are bitching again.
Stop this nonsense. Stephano doesnt accept the seed and then pull out 2 days before his scheduled match.
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On November 02 2012 00:25 achan1058 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 00:23 Condor Hero wrote:On November 02 2012 00:20 Salient wrote:On November 02 2012 00:10 sinigang wrote:
Stop with the drama, it's just business, folks. KeSPA and MLG have a partnership contract (http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mlg-and-kespa-announce-exclusive-multi-year-partnership), and so obviously KeSPA has all the right to prioritize this over GSL any day. While yes, GOM has the right to whine like a baby 'cause KeSPA/SKT didn't inform them "on time", but until there's a signed agreement about the exact schedules for cancellation etc., GOM really can't do anything about it. So until then, KeSPA can and will surely get away with these arrogant but petty moves, as we've seen many times before.
Solved! Let me give you some basic legal/business education. A contract between Person A and Person B does not eliminate the obligations of Person A to Person C. Rain, SKTelecom, and KESPA pulled a D-bag move by cancelling two days before the Code S match. Except Rain has ZERO obligation to GSL. Would you call Stephano a douchebag for never accepting Code S seeds despite being offered many times? I love how everyone was bitching at Kespa to let the players decide which tournaments to play, then when someone decides to play MLG, the same people are bitching again. We all know what should have been done. Inform GOM 1 week in advance.
Correct, Boxer should've told GOM earlier.
Some reasons probably he didn't:
1) OSL Finals was 27th and they were focused on preparing for that.
2) Rushed GSL because of IPL commitment (usually there's a few weeks downtime like previous GSL seasons and OSL/MSL but this one started barely a week after Up/Downs).
Boxer should do better next time.
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On November 02 2012 00:27 Fjodorov wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 00:23 Condor Hero wrote:On November 02 2012 00:20 Salient wrote:On November 02 2012 00:10 sinigang wrote:
Stop with the drama, it's just business, folks. KeSPA and MLG have a partnership contract (http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mlg-and-kespa-announce-exclusive-multi-year-partnership), and so obviously KeSPA has all the right to prioritize this over GSL any day. While yes, GOM has the right to whine like a baby 'cause KeSPA/SKT didn't inform them "on time", but until there's a signed agreement about the exact schedules for cancellation etc., GOM really can't do anything about it. So until then, KeSPA can and will surely get away with these arrogant but petty moves, as we've seen many times before.
Solved! Let me give you some basic legal/business education. A contract between Person A and Person B does not eliminate the obligations of Person A to Person C. Rain, SKTelecom, and KESPA pulled a D-bag move by cancelling two days before the Code S match. Except Rain has ZERO obligation to GSL. Would you call Stephano a douchebag for never accepting Code S seeds despite being offered many times? I love how everyone was bitching at Kespa to let the players decide which tournaments to play, then when someone decides to play MLG, the same people are bitching again. Stop this nonsense. Stephano doesnt accept the seed and then pull out 2 days before his scheduled match.
The seed was automated because of top 8 last season.
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On November 02 2012 00:27 Fjodorov wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 00:23 Condor Hero wrote:On November 02 2012 00:20 Salient wrote:On November 02 2012 00:10 sinigang wrote:
Stop with the drama, it's just business, folks. KeSPA and MLG have a partnership contract (http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mlg-and-kespa-announce-exclusive-multi-year-partnership), and so obviously KeSPA has all the right to prioritize this over GSL any day. While yes, GOM has the right to whine like a baby 'cause KeSPA/SKT didn't inform them "on time", but until there's a signed agreement about the exact schedules for cancellation etc., GOM really can't do anything about it. So until then, KeSPA can and will surely get away with these arrogant but petty moves, as we've seen many times before.
Solved! Let me give you some basic legal/business education. A contract between Person A and Person B does not eliminate the obligations of Person A to Person C. Rain, SKTelecom, and KESPA pulled a D-bag move by cancelling two days before the Code S match. Except Rain has ZERO obligation to GSL. Would you call Stephano a douchebag for never accepting Code S seeds despite being offered many times? I love how everyone was bitching at Kespa to let the players decide which tournaments to play, then when someone decides to play MLG, the same people are bitching again. Stop this nonsense. Stephano doesnt accept the seed and then pull out 2 days before his scheduled match.
I love how this tread is 32 pages of people rationalizing what Rain did and saying it was alright/a good decision and so on. Followed by people constantly having to explain that he needed to inform GOM ahead of time and it would have been fine, like everyone else did! Instead, he waited till the day of his games to inform them.
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On November 02 2012 00:23 Condor Hero wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 00:20 Salient wrote:On November 02 2012 00:10 sinigang wrote:
Stop with the drama, it's just business, folks. KeSPA and MLG have a partnership contract (http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mlg-and-kespa-announce-exclusive-multi-year-partnership), and so obviously KeSPA has all the right to prioritize this over GSL any day. While yes, GOM has the right to whine like a baby 'cause KeSPA/SKT didn't inform them "on time", but until there's a signed agreement about the exact schedules for cancellation etc., GOM really can't do anything about it. So until then, KeSPA can and will surely get away with these arrogant but petty moves, as we've seen many times before.
Solved! Let me give you some basic legal/business education. A contract between Person A and Person B does not eliminate the obligations of Person A to Person C. Rain, SKTelecom, and KESPA pulled a D-bag move by cancelling two days before the Code S match. Except Rain has ZERO obligation to GSL. Would you call Stephano a douchebag for never accepting Code S seeds despite being offered many times? I love how everyone was bitching at Kespa to let the players decide which tournaments to play, then when someone decides to play MLG, the same people are bitching again.
except it seems likely it was not rain's decision to pull out, but kespa doing a powerplay move
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On November 02 2012 00:29 Condor Hero wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 00:27 Fjodorov wrote:On November 02 2012 00:23 Condor Hero wrote:On November 02 2012 00:20 Salient wrote:On November 02 2012 00:10 sinigang wrote:
Stop with the drama, it's just business, folks. KeSPA and MLG have a partnership contract (http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/mlg-and-kespa-announce-exclusive-multi-year-partnership), and so obviously KeSPA has all the right to prioritize this over GSL any day. While yes, GOM has the right to whine like a baby 'cause KeSPA/SKT didn't inform them "on time", but until there's a signed agreement about the exact schedules for cancellation etc., GOM really can't do anything about it. So until then, KeSPA can and will surely get away with these arrogant but petty moves, as we've seen many times before.
Solved! Let me give you some basic legal/business education. A contract between Person A and Person B does not eliminate the obligations of Person A to Person C. Rain, SKTelecom, and KESPA pulled a D-bag move by cancelling two days before the Code S match. Except Rain has ZERO obligation to GSL. Would you call Stephano a douchebag for never accepting Code S seeds despite being offered many times? I love how everyone was bitching at Kespa to let the players decide which tournaments to play, then when someone decides to play MLG, the same people are bitching again. Stop this nonsense. Stephano doesnt accept the seed and then pull out 2 days before his scheduled match. The seed was automated because of top 8 last season.
And the entire SKT management had time to say something, I'm not even blaming Boxer / Rain since they had OSL, but SURELY there were non-playing / coaching staff that could've?
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On November 02 2012 00:19 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2012 00:02 achan1058 wrote:
Honestly, I hope he bombs out due to a bunch of cheeses/fatique at this point. One simply does not pull last minute stuff like this. Knocked out by combat-ex first round.
combat-ex still around? lol, loved him several years ago.
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