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Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
November 01 2012 13:48 GMT
#581
25k above 50k, yes that makes sense. Well perhaps going oversees is a good thing for experience and all that.
but pure result wise he's got a better chance at winning GSL then MLG.
Salient
Profile Joined August 2011
United States876 Posts
November 01 2012 13:51 GMT
#582
On November 01 2012 22:25 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2012 22:17 SnipedSoul wrote:
Gonna laugh when he gets cheesed out of the open bracket by some unknown.


Cannon rushed by Gaulzi? :D


LOL :p
MisterTea
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1047 Posts
November 01 2012 13:52 GMT
#583
its not just about the money, it's about going to a foreign country and participating in a different type fo tournament, i think all these kespa players said they want to travel and play all over, he's already won a shitload of money last month i dont think hes that bothered about it.
LuckyGnomTV
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Russian Federation367 Posts
November 01 2012 13:52 GMT
#584
If it was his desicion - I hope he will lose in round1, if it was KeSpa desicion - I am sorry for this guy..
trada
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany347 Posts
November 01 2012 13:56 GMT
#585
I dont know about you guys but this makes him more sympathetic to me. I rather see him rock out during MLG and maybe winning the whole thing than losing in ro16/ro8/whenever in gsl.
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Littlemuff
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom301 Posts
November 01 2012 13:59 GMT
#586
From what people have said about Rain he seems like a really confident guy. I wouldn't be surprised if he honestly thinks he can go to MLG and win it without too much competition. Why wait a month for your prize money when you can do it in a weekend.
Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
November 01 2012 14:01 GMT
#587
Im pretty sure he will regret his decision on monday when MLG is over and GSL still is the most prestigeous tournament with the best of the best.
BraveProbe
Profile Joined October 2011
36 Posts
November 01 2012 14:01 GMT
#588
On November 01 2012 22:44 Doodsmack wrote:
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On November 01 2012 22:32 BraveProbe wrote:
This is absolutely ridiculous. I don't know who the hell is ultimately responsible for rain's exit but this has really hurt GSL's credibility.



It's this kind of dramatic exaggeration that really doesn't do anyone any good. Losing one player for one season obviously does not "really hurt" GSL's credibility. Code S is stacked with 31 other great SC2 players.


Wait. What?

This company is charging $25 for a season's content and people paid to watch the best in the world compete. Then, one of their best players walks out for another tournament a few days before his match. This does not hurt GSL's credibility as they claim to be "the best E-Sports show in the world?"

Since when is a paying customer's comment about a de-valuing of the product they've paid for "not doing anyone any good?" The NBA's worst team is one of the best teams in the world, but if OKC walks out for a month mid season to play in another league a viewer is absolutely within reason to criticize the league for this.
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MiQ
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada312 Posts
November 01 2012 14:04 GMT
#589
On November 01 2012 22:32 Doodsmack wrote:
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On November 01 2012 22:21 MiQ wrote:
Wow... not so much of a fan anymore. This sucks.


Clearly you weren't much of a fan in the first place if this is enough for you to jump ship lol. Or you're just a d____ q____ spewing some hyperbole out of your mouth. Probably the latter.

He's an 18 year old kid who wants to experience the thrill of being cheered on by foreign fans, cut him some slack.


Not sure why you feel the need to attack me but whatever.

I just don't see how he couldn't manage to plan this ahead of time and play in both tourneys. Feels like he's going more for the money than anything which, to me, is pretty sad. Saying he just wants more exposure is kinda dumb. Winning the GSL is so much more prestigious than winning MLG. Overall it feels like a huge let down for the fans.

As much as I like him I hope he gets knocked out quick so he has some time to think about it.
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johnny123
Profile Joined February 2012
521 Posts
November 01 2012 14:08 GMT
#590
to me , this makes sense from rains position, He has quite a few tournaments to play this month. it will be better for his schedule atleast for this month if he did not have to keep playing all the time. He still has Blizzard WCS finals which is a butttttttttttttttttloadd of money to be won . I dont think he cares about gsl this season.
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halfies
Profile Joined November 2011
United Kingdom327 Posts
November 01 2012 14:08 GMT
#591
On November 01 2012 23:01 BraveProbe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2012 22:44 Doodsmack wrote:
On November 01 2012 22:32 BraveProbe wrote:
This is absolutely ridiculous. I don't know who the hell is ultimately responsible for rain's exit but this has really hurt GSL's credibility.



It's this kind of dramatic exaggeration that really doesn't do anyone any good. Losing one player for one season obviously does not "really hurt" GSL's credibility. Code S is stacked with 31 other great SC2 players.


Wait. What?

This company is charging $25 for a season's content and people paid to watch the best in the world compete. Then, one of their best players walks out for another tournament a few days before his match. This does not hurt GSL's credibility as they claim to be "the best E-Sports show in the world?"

Since when is a paying customer's comment about a de-valuing of the product they've paid for "not doing anyone any good?" The NBA's worst team is one of the best teams in the world, but if OKC walks out for a month mid season to play in another league a viewer is absolutely within reason to criticize the league for this.

no, it would hurt OKCs credibility. there nothing GSL could have done to stop him, and nothing they should have done. do you think they should have contracts that force players to show up to every match no matter what else is on?
rain wont win MLG, the format will be radically different to anything hes done before, and then he will just look silly for dropping GSL, and we have less vP matches in code s
PXEnTei
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States209 Posts
November 01 2012 14:11 GMT
#592
Why couldn't he have played last night flown out after the games. I think he would have made it in time
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Champi
Profile Joined March 2010
1422 Posts
November 01 2012 14:17 GMT
#593
This was most likely Kespa's decision, and while it sucks that he has to forfeit his Code S position, I also assume that given the choice, Rain probably would have decided to go to MLG, if not for the chance of going through Open bracket to win the whole thing, but to travel abroad to a foreign event. something which Kespa players just have not gotten the chance to ever do, even Flash.

So yeah, while it does suck. I'm happy he's going abroad, and I'm sure he is too
BraveProbe
Profile Joined October 2011
36 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-01 14:23:39
November 01 2012 14:19 GMT
#594
On November 01 2012 23:08 halfies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2012 23:01 BraveProbe wrote:
On November 01 2012 22:44 Doodsmack wrote:
On November 01 2012 22:32 BraveProbe wrote:
This is absolutely ridiculous. I don't know who the hell is ultimately responsible for rain's exit but this has really hurt GSL's credibility.



It's this kind of dramatic exaggeration that really doesn't do anyone any good. Losing one player for one season obviously does not "really hurt" GSL's credibility. Code S is stacked with 31 other great SC2 players.


Wait. What?

This company is charging $25 for a season's content and people paid to watch the best in the world compete. Then, one of their best players walks out for another tournament a few days before his match. This does not hurt GSL's credibility as they claim to be "the best E-Sports show in the world?"

Since when is a paying customer's comment about a de-valuing of the product they've paid for "not doing anyone any good?" The NBA's worst team is one of the best teams in the world, but if OKC walks out for a month mid season to play in another league a viewer is absolutely within reason to criticize the league for this.

no, it would hurt OKCs credibility. there nothing GSL could have done to stop him, and nothing they should have done. do you think they should have contracts that force players to show up to every match no matter what else is on?
rain wont win MLG, the format will be radically different to anything hes done before, and then he will just look silly for dropping GSL, and we have less vP matches in code s


Yes it does hurt GSL's credibility. I am not talking about Rain's credibility here, and it might very well hurt his but I am not going to discuss that. But, people are not paying Rain to watch him play. People are paying Gom to watch Rain play. You pointed out the exact problem that grounds my criticism. There is nothing they have to physically (contract etc.) stop a player from walking out of the GSL thus, if they want to pitch themselves as the most prestigious event it's their job to make sure players stay in their tournament via other means and not jump ship, whether this is negotiating with KeSPA or Rain himself or MLG or whoever (I'm only listing some means to this end, but it's not a customer's job to figure this out for them). But if you stake your claim as the most important tournament you better be ready to back it up and having Rain walk out is not consistent with that claim.
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Profile Joined November 2009
Denmark82 Posts
November 01 2012 14:23 GMT
#595
Personally I wouldn't have picked MLG over GSL,but I can understand Rain wanting to go abroad and getting to play in front of a huge crowd. Especially if he's never been to the US, I still remember how hyped I was the first time I visited.

I get that people are disappointed that they won't be able to watch him in GSL, especially if they bought a season ticket, but seriously, the amount of hate is totally out of hand. If you just wanted to watch Rain, you'll still get to see him play at MLG. People hoping he bombs out in the open bracket are obviously just Kespa haters, Rain fans would want him to get through to group play so they can see some games with him.
1handsomE
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States199 Posts
November 01 2012 14:24 GMT
#596
This decision makes even less sense when considering the GSL finals are in Las Vegas. He couldn't have thought that this will be his only time to get Foreigner (American) fandom.

It doesn't really make sense why KeSPA would pull him either, unless they think their players can't win or something so they are sending someone who can? I dunno about all this.

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Snijjer
Profile Joined September 2011
United States989 Posts
November 01 2012 14:28 GMT
#597
Well this will make MLG much more exciting.
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-01 14:41:43
November 01 2012 14:33 GMT
#598
On November 01 2012 23:19 BraveProbe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2012 23:08 halfies wrote:
On November 01 2012 23:01 BraveProbe wrote:
On November 01 2012 22:44 Doodsmack wrote:
On November 01 2012 22:32 BraveProbe wrote:
This is absolutely ridiculous. I don't know who the hell is ultimately responsible for rain's exit but this has really hurt GSL's credibility.



It's this kind of dramatic exaggeration that really doesn't do anyone any good. Losing one player for one season obviously does not "really hurt" GSL's credibility. Code S is stacked with 31 other great SC2 players.


Wait. What?

This company is charging $25 for a season's content and people paid to watch the best in the world compete. Then, one of their best players walks out for another tournament a few days before his match. This does not hurt GSL's credibility as they claim to be "the best E-Sports show in the world?"

Since when is a paying customer's comment about a de-valuing of the product they've paid for "not doing anyone any good?" The NBA's worst team is one of the best teams in the world, but if OKC walks out for a month mid season to play in another league a viewer is absolutely within reason to criticize the league for this.

no, it would hurt OKCs credibility. there nothing GSL could have done to stop him, and nothing they should have done. do you think they should have contracts that force players to show up to every match no matter what else is on?
rain wont win MLG, the format will be radically different to anything hes done before, and then he will just look silly for dropping GSL, and we have less vP matches in code s


Yes it does hurt GSL's credibility. I am not talking about Rain's credibility here, and it might very well hurt his but I am not going to discuss that. But, people are not paying Rain to watch him play. People are paying Gom to watch Rain play. You pointed out the exact problem that grounds my criticism. There is nothing they have to physically (contract etc.) stop a player from walking out of the GSL thus, if they want to pitch themselves as the most prestigious event it's their job to make sure players stay in their tournament via other means and not jump ship, whether this is negotiating with KeSPA or Rain himself or MLG or whoever (I'm only listing some means to this end, but it's not a customer's job to figure this out for them). But if you stake your claim as the most important tournament you better be ready to back it up and having Rain walk out is not consistent with that claim.


It hurts GSL's credibility but not to a large extent. It would hurt them more if Rain was saved a spot for Code S next season despite willingly forfeiting his matches. No tournament organizer at this point in time has the power to force any participating player to do anything; the scene is very small and the amount of money being thrown around is (relatively) small. Except for KeSPA players and some eSF players there are no guaranteed contracts, and don't pretend for a second that KeSPA would promise player exclusivity to GOM.

It's rather silly to compare GSL to the NBA; a better comparison would be comparing GSL to the 1950's era of professional basketball.
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S_SienZ
Profile Joined September 2011
1878 Posts
November 01 2012 14:34 GMT
#599
On November 01 2012 23:24 1handsomE wrote:
This decision makes even less sense when considering the GSL finals are in Las Vegas. He couldn't have thought that this will be his only time to get Foreigner (American) fandom.

It doesn't really make sense why KeSPA would pull him either, unless they think their players can't win or something so they are sending someone who can? I dunno about all this.


They obviously want more people paying attention to MLG Dallas than GSL.
AngryMag
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany1040 Posts
November 01 2012 14:34 GMT
#600
Well a korean player wants to make a trip outside his country. Don't know why so many people in here talk about GSL's prestige and stuff. Rain will have plenty of chances to play in future GSLs. If he makes a good MLG run, he can add a foreign tournament into his future schedule.

Oh what a shock a young guy wants to come around and visit other countries, he just took a chance which opened up for him, a bit overly nerdy to rage about this in my opinion..
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