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On October 23 2012 21:40 Lylat wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 21:33 Fragile51 wrote:On October 23 2012 21:31 X3GoldDot wrote:On October 23 2012 21:19 GTR wrote: Remove Ohana, but not Antiga or Entombed (or even Daybreak)? Really? daybreak is the best map atm no? Daybreak is a great map, and it's also old as fuck. I mean it's great that the map has endured for so long but it's time for something else, to be honest. Weird logic, if it's great why would you change it and risking having a bad map instead ?
because watching games on the same maps forever is boring
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New map looks interesting. I won't miss Ohana in GSL.
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On October 23 2012 21:43 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 21:40 Lylat wrote:On October 23 2012 21:33 Fragile51 wrote:On October 23 2012 21:31 X3GoldDot wrote:On October 23 2012 21:19 GTR wrote: Remove Ohana, but not Antiga or Entombed (or even Daybreak)? Really? daybreak is the best map atm no? Daybreak is a great map, and it's also old as fuck. I mean it's great that the map has endured for so long but it's time for something else, to be honest. Weird logic, if it's great why would you change it and risking having a bad map instead ? because watching games on the same maps forever is boring
Maybe for some people, but I'd imagine mostly not. CS1.6 had the same maps for most of its esport lifetime. DotA/LoL use the same single map and they're fine. Do football fields get boring because they all look the same?
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On October 23 2012 21:42 Fragile51 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 21:40 Lylat wrote:On October 23 2012 21:33 Fragile51 wrote:On October 23 2012 21:31 X3GoldDot wrote:On October 23 2012 21:19 GTR wrote: Remove Ohana, but not Antiga or Entombed (or even Daybreak)? Really? daybreak is the best map atm no? Daybreak is a great map, and it's also old as fuck. I mean it's great that the map has endured for so long but it's time for something else, to be honest. Weird logic, if it's great why would you change it and risking having a bad map instead ? Because having the same map pool for well over a year while people are complaining about the game getting stale is not good business.
Yeah, we need more different maps. It's even worse in the ladder where we still got Shakuras and Taldarim. We should get new maps more often. Especially Blizzard should be more open with switching maps and trying out a lot of community-made maps because they can get the most balance data and they can easily remove a map after 2 month if it is imbalanced.
About this map: It looks like it makes for more dynamic gameplay than Ohana at least but it also looks like a huge map once again. Team Crux really hates small maps it seems. Well, until we got this map on EU server I can't say much about how it really plays out.
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On October 23 2012 21:46 Kiyo. wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 21:43 Dodgin wrote:On October 23 2012 21:40 Lylat wrote:On October 23 2012 21:33 Fragile51 wrote:On October 23 2012 21:31 X3GoldDot wrote:On October 23 2012 21:19 GTR wrote: Remove Ohana, but not Antiga or Entombed (or even Daybreak)? Really? daybreak is the best map atm no? Daybreak is a great map, and it's also old as fuck. I mean it's great that the map has endured for so long but it's time for something else, to be honest. Weird logic, if it's great why would you change it and risking having a bad map instead ? because watching games on the same maps forever is boring Maybe for some people, but I'd imagine mostly not. CS1.6 had the same maps for most of its esport lifetime. DotA/LoL use the same single map and they're fine. Do football fields get boring because they all look the same?
Do they move armies up and down cliffs, and gather resources in CS and dota from a fixed location?
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On October 23 2012 21:46 Kiyo. wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 21:43 Dodgin wrote:On October 23 2012 21:40 Lylat wrote:On October 23 2012 21:33 Fragile51 wrote:On October 23 2012 21:31 X3GoldDot wrote:On October 23 2012 21:19 GTR wrote: Remove Ohana, but not Antiga or Entombed (or even Daybreak)? Really? daybreak is the best map atm no? Daybreak is a great map, and it's also old as fuck. I mean it's great that the map has endured for so long but it's time for something else, to be honest. Weird logic, if it's great why would you change it and risking having a bad map instead ? because watching games on the same maps forever is boring Maybe for some people, but I'd imagine mostly not. CS1.6 had the same maps for most of its esport lifetime. DotA/LoL use the same single map and they're fine. Do football fields get boring because they all look the same? yeah, football needs high ground, high yield minerals, destructible rocks and xelnaga towers!
holy crap imagine the effect on the game lol
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On October 23 2012 21:46 Kiyo. wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 21:43 Dodgin wrote:On October 23 2012 21:40 Lylat wrote:On October 23 2012 21:33 Fragile51 wrote:On October 23 2012 21:31 X3GoldDot wrote:On October 23 2012 21:19 GTR wrote: Remove Ohana, but not Antiga or Entombed (or even Daybreak)? Really? daybreak is the best map atm no? Daybreak is a great map, and it's also old as fuck. I mean it's great that the map has endured for so long but it's time for something else, to be honest. Weird logic, if it's great why would you change it and risking having a bad map instead ? because watching games on the same maps forever is boring Maybe for some people, but I'd imagine mostly not. CS1.6 had the same maps for most of its esport lifetime. DotA/LoL use the same single map and they're fine. Do football fields get boring because they all look the same?
those games are not starcraft, we had new maps every year/season in brood war and it contributed to the advancement of the game. daybreak is not suitable for today's metagame ( especially PvZ )
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On October 23 2012 21:43 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 21:42 Fragile51 wrote:On October 23 2012 21:40 Lylat wrote:On October 23 2012 21:33 Fragile51 wrote:On October 23 2012 21:31 X3GoldDot wrote:On October 23 2012 21:19 GTR wrote: Remove Ohana, but not Antiga or Entombed (or even Daybreak)? Really? daybreak is the best map atm no? Daybreak is a great map, and it's also old as fuck. I mean it's great that the map has endured for so long but it's time for something else, to be honest. Weird logic, if it's great why would you change it and risking having a bad map instead ? Because having the same map pool for well over a year while people are complaining about the game getting stale is not good business. we need a jessica reskin of the map, so MMA can nuke daybreak all day long Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 21:42 Sinedd wrote: SC2 seriously needs more map circulation..
and bigger maps.. lol, really? maps are getting huge already I dont think you know what should be called a HUGE map.. 
just check out BW ones
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Holy crap this map looks cool!
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On October 23 2012 21:49 Sinedd wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 21:43 opterown wrote:On October 23 2012 21:42 Fragile51 wrote:On October 23 2012 21:40 Lylat wrote:On October 23 2012 21:33 Fragile51 wrote:On October 23 2012 21:31 X3GoldDot wrote:On October 23 2012 21:19 GTR wrote: Remove Ohana, but not Antiga or Entombed (or even Daybreak)? Really? daybreak is the best map atm no? Daybreak is a great map, and it's also old as fuck. I mean it's great that the map has endured for so long but it's time for something else, to be honest. Weird logic, if it's great why would you change it and risking having a bad map instead ? Because having the same map pool for well over a year while people are complaining about the game getting stale is not good business. we need a jessica reskin of the map, so MMA can nuke daybreak all day long On October 23 2012 21:42 Sinedd wrote: SC2 seriously needs more map circulation..
and bigger maps.. lol, really? maps are getting huge already I dont think you know what should be called a HUGE map..  just check out BW ones 
Different game, different results. Bigger is not always better.
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Oh shit, i just realised...it kinda looks like a completely reworked version of Bel'shir beach. That's pretty cool.
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I hate Ohana. Antiga cross isn't that bad, I'd like to see more maps added per seasons though, but I suppose learning one is hard enough.
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Get rid of antiga already
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I'd take more than one new map any day, but I guess one is still better than none.
Tournament map pools need refreshment dearly, at least GSL is doing something in small steps, compared to any other event organizer they're still miles ahead, unfortunately.
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On October 23 2012 21:51 Fragile51 wrote: Oh shit, i just realised...it kinda looks like a completely reworked version of Bel'shir beach. That's pretty cool. it looks more like ohana to me, hrm
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On October 23 2012 21:19 FakeDeath wrote: Yes Ohana IS FINALLY REMOVED.
No more autowin for toss on that against zerg.
How is Ohana more broken than antiga and entombed?
Good to see a new map, I missed playing on something called bel'shir. Sad to see Ohana go I really liked that map, ah well knowing blizzard it'll be on ladder for atleast a year.
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It would be very interesting to have a map with different mineral/gas per base distributions, but I suppose that such a thing would be too experimental to play competitive games on it.
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On October 23 2012 21:55 Lorch wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 21:19 FakeDeath wrote: Yes Ohana IS FINALLY REMOVED.
No more autowin for toss on that against zerg. How is Ohana more broken than antiga and entombed? Good to see a new map, I missed playing on something called bel'shir. Sad to see Ohana go I really liked that map, ah well knowing blizzard it'll be on ladder for atleast a year.
Ohana PvZ was immortal all in all day every day, lategame PvZ was damn near unplayable. Personally i liked ohana the least out of all current maps so i'm glad it's gone.
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GSL should do an arena of legends if they have a bit of downtime next year to test completely new maps out
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On October 23 2012 21:54 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 21:51 Fragile51 wrote: Oh shit, i just realised...it kinda looks like a completely reworked version of Bel'shir beach. That's pretty cool. it looks more like ohana to me, hrm
It has 2 attack paths and kind of the same shape, but with way different expansion locations and high/low ground distributions. Looks very interesting imo.
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