EPTMinistry of Win - Statement - Page 18
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Benjamin99
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Tula
Austria1544 Posts
On September 14 2012 05:31 EuLoGy[kTw] wrote: Yes, I do understand it. I read it, still his fault. I'm sorry that fuzer isn't actually a smart person. He's an idiot. The end. Let me add some more, he sent them money before a contract. That's all that needs to be said here. I am sorry to say but the idiot here is you... According to the official MoW statement there were two different contracts legally speaking, the provisional one (you pay X to stay here) and the written one. The entire fuzz is that MoW wanted to change from the provisional one to the written one, whereas Fuzer did not want to sign it without a lawyer (which is his right). If MoW wanted him out, no problem don't continue the provisional contract for a second month, but that is NOT what they did. Instead they accepted his money (thereby continuing the arrangement) and then later threw him out. The situation was sub-optimal from both sides, but it is also fairly common. I've rented a flat in a similar way (verbal agreement+money upfront, written contract 3-6 weeks later, one side writes it, sends it to the other side, they consult their lawyer etc.). From a legal perspective there is only 1 idiot in this exchange, that is the guy who let someone into his house on a verbal basis without covering his angles first and then regretted that decision. Maybe MoW will learn their lesson, but frankly so far their behaviour hasn't really shown any remorse. | ||
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Drimacus
Germany92 Posts
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AnachronisticAnarchy
United States2957 Posts
I guess either one side is completely wrong or they're both right. Either way we can't tell now without witch hunting. We'll have to wait and see how other players react in the future in order to see which possible scenario is the correct one. | ||
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animol
135 Posts
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Timerly
Germany511 Posts
On September 14 2012 05:50 Benjamin99 wrote: I don't think they realize how effective pitchforks are versus kittens Yeah, I can't get over the fact that they did that. That's just trying to insult everybody's intelligence by making it one of these "not very serious internet matters". What the actual fuck? They're messing with their primary customer base here. | ||
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ThePhan2m
Norway2751 Posts
I bet most of you guys commenting couldn't have done half as good a job as this guy and kept the place running. | ||
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Grettin
42381 Posts
On September 14 2012 05:58 animol wrote: Somehow those kittens make the OP remind me of that one South Park episode where that one company does awful things and makes those "we're sorry" video clips. :D Exactly what i was thinking. In before video statements by MoW: | ||
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EuLoGy[kTw]
United States82 Posts
On September 14 2012 05:50 Tula wrote: I am sorry to say but the idiot here is you... According to the official MoW statement there were two different contracts legally speaking, the provisional one (you pay X to stay here) and the written one. The entire fuzz is that MoW wanted to change from the provisional one to the written one, whereas Fuzer did not want to sign it without a lawyer (which is his right). If MoW wanted him out, no problem don't continue the provisional contract for a second month, but that is NOT what they did. Instead they accepted his money (thereby continuing the arrangement) and then later threw him out. The situation was sub-optimal from both sides, but it is also fairly common. I've rented a flat in a similar way (verbal agreement+money upfront, written contract 3-6 weeks later, one side writes it, sends it to the other side, they consult their lawyer etc.). From a legal perspective there is only 1 idiot in this exchange, that is the guy who let someone into his house on a verbal basis without covering his angles first and then regretted that decision. Maybe MoW will learn their lesson, but frankly so far their behaviour hasn't really shown any remorse. I just pooped my pants. User was warned for this post | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
On September 14 2012 05:58 Timerly wrote: Yeah, I can't get over the fact that they did that. That's just trying to insult everybody's intelligence by making it one of these "not very serious internet matters". What the actual fuck? They're messing with their primary customer base here. This is actually true. Their public statements to this whole thing on this forum are basicly deciding the company's future, a small company but still. | ||
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reskyyy
Finland2 Posts
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kaokentake
383 Posts
nothing against MoW, its fine to run a business i guess.. but no one intelligent should wanna stay there... dont understand why anyone couldnt just do hardcore ladder practice as training for free... dont know anyone who is rank1 gm on any server that isnt pro status so that means ladder is fine practice. acting like it isnt just means you cant get rank1 gm which means u probably arent good enough to be pro because you lose games against other crappy people on the ladder | ||
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GuitarBizarre
United Kingdom332 Posts
On September 14 2012 06:14 kaokentake wrote: so basically... you pay 600 a month to feel like you are a progamer... wow... nothing against MoW, its fine to run a business i guess.. but no one intelligent should wanna stay there... dont understand why anyone couldnt just do hardcore ladder practice as training for free... dont know anyone who is rank1 gm on any server that isnt pro status so that means ladder is fine practice. acting like it isnt just means you cant get rank1 gm which means u probably arent good enough to be pro because you lose games against other crappy people on the ladder ... there's a saying. Practice doesn't make perfect, practice makes permanent. Perfect practice makes perfect. The ladder is a valuable training tool, but you can't ask the ladder to continually pressure test your new build by throwing different stuff at it until you find its weak points. Its not efficient. Its good for a lot of things, but structured and targeted practice is not one of them. | ||
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J.E.G.
United States389 Posts
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Swiv
Germany3674 Posts
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J.E.G.
United States389 Posts
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Akta
447 Posts
On September 14 2012 05:58 Timerly wrote: Well to me personally their statement doesn't seem quite ignorant enough to make the joke insulting. But then again, the percieved level of ignorance obviously varies to a degree.Yeah, I can't get over the fact that they did that. That's just trying to insult everybody's intelligence by making it one of these "not very serious internet matters". What the actual fuck? They're messing with their primary customer base here. | ||
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schaf
Germany1326 Posts
however, the paragraph of 2. Ministry of Win does not enforce on players the amount of hours they have to stream. It is a part of a business contract and both parties negotiate an agreement. We understand that players have come to the house for the sole purpose of perfecting their skills and thus we do not exact the agreed hours to the last detail. Most players view streaming as a key income source for themselves and so we give them the best opportunity to profit from it. Thanks to the strategic partnership between the Ministry of Win and Twitch.tv the CPM ratio is superior to that of an individual streaming on one’s own. Furthermore the players that had no Twitch.tv partnership prior to joining the house obtain a possibility to start monetizing their exposure instantly omitting the regular Twitch.tv partnership acquireing process. still doesnt seem right. If you don't enforce it, why is is there in the first place? I guess MoW has an agreement with twitch around a certain streaming amount (as twitch kindly offered the ad stuff) and thus they put it in the contracts. After all, they are the good guys! :D everyone is happy! ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/QsgUe.jpg) | ||
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bluesteel22
United States24 Posts
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
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