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MinistryOfWin
Profile Joined April 2012
Poland87 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 16:18:06
September 13 2012 16:14 GMT
#1
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In response to the Team Liquid forum post by Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen and the public debate surrounding it, we, the Ministry of Win, would like to shed some light on the facts regarding the matter at hand.


With utmost sadness we have observed some of the details being released, at times partial and without proper context. This should have not happened under no circumstances and we fully acknowledge our managemental shortcomings in that regard. There have been words said in the heat of the moment unbecoming to what we aspire to be, and certainly below the required standards that we would like to set for ourselves as a part of the e-sport community.

There are several concerns that have been pointed out that we would like to address below.

1. First and foremost Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen or any other guest of the house has not been, or will be stopped from pursuing a professional e-sport carrier beyond the Ministry of Win by means of a legal document or a verbal agreement. Players absolutely can and will join teams, pro-houses, will also participate in tournaments and other e-sport ventures.

2. Ministry of Win does not enforce on players the amount of hours they have to stream. It is a part of a business contract and both parties negotiate an agreement. We understand that players have come to the house for the sole purpose of perfecting their skills and thus we do not exact the agreed hours to the last detail. Most players view streaming as a key income source for themselves and so we give them the best opportunity to profit from it. Thanks to the strategic partnership between the Ministry of Win and Twitch.tv the CPM ratio is superior to that of an individual streaming on one’s own. Furthermore the players that had no Twitch.tv partnership prior to joining the house obtain a possibility to start monetizing their exposure instantly omitting the regular Twitch.tv partnership acquireing process.

3. The fee of 2 500 PLN (circa €600 or $785) is charged up front for full months of all inclusive stay in the house. This is the first consideration the players are presented with before coming to the house. Please note that the Ministry of Win is not a hotel thus all operations, including guest departures and arrivals, food and supply purchases, etc..., are planned and partially executed at least a month ahead with accordance to the players stay roster.

4. We are aware of the issues regarding food, that the players have risen and are looking to resolve them as soon as possible. Since the house has not yet been fully manned with players with frequent changes the provisioning schedule was the hardest to keep up to date.

Since the public has been exposed only to the last and most fierce statements we feel compelled to put them into perspective and disclosing the bigger story. As correctly identified by many members of the public, the key error on our part was allowing Samuli to come to the house before agreeing together on all the fine parts of the contract and signing it.

Samuli expressed his interest in joining the Ministry of Win. In order to meet his expectations we decided to invite him in and let him experience the house-life first hand, so that he could make a more educated decision with regards to the contract. A monthly fee of 2 500 PLN has been established, paid up front each month, which has been delivered in cash by Samuli on arrival to the house. Soon after the Ministry of Win contract has been presented to him negotiations and consultations began.

Finally all the amendments proposed by Samuli have been fully incorporated into the contract and the final version has been submitted for his approval on Saturday the 8th. By that time the second month payment has already been concluded. Samuli refused to sign the agreed contract containing his amendments and requested another consultation period.

This has been received as a stalling tactics and brought unnecessary and unprofessional tension to the conversation, which in retrospect could have been avoided especially on our side. Leading a company revolving around people requires unwavering patience and calm especially in tense situations and this is a major lesson for us in all our future dealings. Words unbefitting a gentleman have been said, fences have not been mended and as a result on Tuesday the 11th Samuli has been asked to either sign the contract or leave until 22:00. Upon announcing that he chose the latter, a refund for the remaining days has been offered and turned down.

In conclusion, the Ministry of Win would like to apologize the whole e-sport community, the players, the viewers, everyone related to the Starcraft 2 scene and especially we apologize to Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen. Mistakes have been made and unfortunately time cannot be turned back. We are aware that as professionals, we should not let emotions take control over us and the whole situation should not have happened in the first place. After all we are here to support and help e-sports grow.

We are making an effort to prevent such a situation from ever happening again. A revised wording of the contract is being developed and a more clear contractual procedure devised. We hope that other players will benefit from existance of our house and our e-sport venture will help advance their careers. Virgil said “Hard work conquers all” — so we will do our best to make it happen.

To compensate the community more than one hundred pages of drama on the Team Liquid forum and numerous further posts all around the Internet, please take comfort in those quite lovely kittens photos.


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Full.tilt
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom1709 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 16:20:54
September 13 2012 16:16 GMT
#2
Fail. (for kitten photos)

edit: glad you took most of them away.
See.Blue
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2673 Posts
September 13 2012 16:16 GMT
#3
Well, I wasnt sure until the kittens.
Hazuc
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada471 Posts
September 13 2012 16:17 GMT
#4
This is weird. =/
Synche
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1345 Posts
September 13 2012 16:17 GMT
#5
Not weird, the kittens are cute.
MyFirstProbe
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands294 Posts
September 13 2012 16:19 GMT
#6
I liked the kittens, they were really cute
Aild246
Profile Joined April 2012
United States20 Posts
September 13 2012 16:20 GMT
#7
I like your kittens.
Not you.
nope
HornyHerring
Profile Joined March 2011
Papua New Guinea1058 Posts
September 13 2012 16:21 GMT
#8
Do you own a copyright for those kitten pictures? I demand a new drama thread about it.
oh, hai
Payson
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States394 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 16:23:12
September 13 2012 16:22 GMT
#9
Attempting to win us over with kitten pictures sounds like a desperate attempt (although cute one).
SC2MENA
Profile Joined March 2012
United Arab Emirates14 Posts
September 13 2012 16:24 GMT
#10
Too little, too late. I forgot who said that.
Promoting SC2 and e-Sports across the Middle-East and North Africa
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 13 2012 16:24 GMT
#11
Pretty much as expected. The offer of a refund was a good move and it sounds like a poor decision by both sides. This should be a lesson to all, do not put 10 year terms into your contracts for any reason. It sends the wrong message and makes all the other terms seem overly agressive. It is also not enforcable and unreasonable.

Also, the kittens are a critical part of the argument.
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Railgan
Profile Joined August 2010
Switzerland1507 Posts
September 13 2012 16:24 GMT
#12
I wonder if a lawyer wrote that
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Noobity
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States871 Posts
September 13 2012 16:26 GMT
#13
Very professional until the Kitten posts, but I honestly can't fault anyone for posting kittens.

I think this is a huge acknowledgement of shortcomings and showing a desire to fix things. I also think that we should be aware as a community that many of us took Fuzer's explanation of the situation at face value, and I urge the community to look at this post similarly, for the sake of consistency if nothing else.

It's a crappy situation in general, and if both parties grow into better members of the community because of it then maybe it would have been worthwhile to keep it from happening in the future.

Mistakes are made, people goof. We all have our opinions, but this will be a good test of the community's nature to see where it leads from this point on.

I will say one thing very, VERY strongly, however. I said it in the previous thread when I was defending MoW, and I'll say it again. Please please please work on Public Relations. A lot of this could have been avoided with a finger better placed on the pulse of the community.
My name is Mike, and statistically, yours is not.
Zim23
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1681 Posts
September 13 2012 16:26 GMT
#14
a refund for the remaining days has been offered and turned down.


What an underhanded way to put it. This statement doesn't refute that you at first REFUSED to pay the guy back and then after being threatened offered to refund the cash.
Do an arranged marriage if she's not completely minging, and don't worry about dancing, get a go-kart, cheers.
Fym
Profile Joined October 2009
United Kingdom189 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 16:27:27
September 13 2012 16:26 GMT
#15
they should make a contract with the kittens owner for the use of kitten pictures
If you wanna be a good chef, you dont make fish n chips.
Stropheum
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1124 Posts
September 13 2012 16:26 GMT
#16
I don't understand why this thread is so poorly recieved. It seems like Fuzer had all the time in the world to revise his contract and only waited until he was out of time to actually ask for a consultation. On top of that, he didn't seem to understand any of the terms he was agreeing to or the fact that he was paying by month BECAUSE he hadn't yet signed a contract agreeing to the flat fee, and his experience prior to that was actually designed as more of a tour/flavor of the experience to help sway his decision in a more timely manner (which it clearly didn't)

All for ministry of win on this one. You guys don't need your reputation tarnished over this. People need to make sure they take care of their shit before sitting down to play every day.
courtpanda
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
866 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 16:28:12
September 13 2012 16:27 GMT
#17
"take us seriously please we want to be taken seriously"

"but here are kittens."
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
September 13 2012 16:28 GMT
#18
Is it true you only offered the refund once Fuzer threatened to inform the public?
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Hryul
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Austria2609 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 16:30:33
September 13 2012 16:28 GMT
#19
1. First and foremost Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen or any other guest of the house has not been, or will be stopped from pursuing a professional e-sport carrier beyond the Ministry of Win by means of a legal document or a verbal agreement. Players absolutely can and will join teams, pro-houses, will also participate in tournaments and other e-sport ventures.

2. Ministry of Win does not enforce on players the amount of hours they have to stream. It is a part of a business contract and both parties negotiate an agreement. We understand that players have come to the house for the sole purpose of perfecting their skills and thus we do not exact the agreed hours to the last detail. Most players view streaming as a key income source for themselves and so we give them the best opportunity to profit from it. Thanks to the strategic partnership between the Ministry of Win and Twitch.tv the CPM ratio is superior to that of an individual streaming on one’s own. Furthermore the players that had no Twitch.tv partnership prior to joining the house obtain a possibility to start monetizing their exposure instantly omitting the regular Twitch.tv partnership acquireing process.

But then were does these misunderstandings stem from? Why had Fuzer the impressions he voiced in his thread? And why is it such a problem to publish the contract so we can read it up for ourself? And I don't like kittens in a thread which should bring light into serious questions. It just seems . . . unprofessional.

E: Ha! made it to the first page :D
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TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9990 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 16:29:16
September 13 2012 16:28 GMT
#20
lol felines are so noobie, theyre too unloyal
this is where its at
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