EPTOn September 14 2012 01:34 RiSkyToss wrote:
The pictures are an insult to the whole community.
The pictures are an insult to the whole community.
LOL why.. can you explain ?
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pallad
Poland1958 Posts
LOL why.. can you explain ? | ||
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mememolly
4765 Posts
MoW are relying on people acting professionally but when you're dealing with young males who may not have lived away from home before then shit can hit the fan, like situations like this, although this was caused because he didn't sign the contract but still, wouldn't be surprised if more shit like this happens to them. | ||
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joeschmo
United States167 Posts
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Lambertus
South Africa975 Posts
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Kontys
Finland659 Posts
On September 14 2012 01:35 leova wrote: I think FXOBoss's post in the other thread, wherever it is, brings up a lot of good points: 1) You should not BOTH charge people to live there AND charge them a portion of their streaming, it should be either-or. 2) You should refund Fuzer's partial payment regardless of his "screw you i'm going public" statements, its the only way to run a business. 3) As you yourself said, never do anything without a signed contract His entire post, quoted from the other thread: Boss being Boss. I so like having actually-smart people around this industry. | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10126 Posts
On September 14 2012 01:45 PanN wrote: Oh be quiet please. If you're going to try and argue that attempting to rip someone off after they've traveled to your home doesn't make you a bad person than good luck buddy. What do you mean ? I had met many people who tried to rip me off, most of them were real good people. One is even my BFF. | ||
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Awesomeness
Germany1361 Posts
On September 14 2012 01:45 PanN wrote: Oh be quiet please. If you're going to try and argue that attempting to rip someone off after they've traveled to your home doesn't make you a bad person than good luck buddy. yeah because you never made mistakes or said stupid shit in a chatlog, right? From what I've heard all other pros like the house and therefore this guy is doing more for eSports than you (and me) ever did. Yes they didn't handle this situation right, but a project like this deserves a 2nd chance imo... | ||
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Synche
United States1345 Posts
People take themselves too seriously. Wanting a professional esports scene does not mean you need to be a smack talking pitchfork holding dullard. | ||
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
Don't sign statements as MoW. The person making the statement needs to take personal responsibility. It makes you more accountable and ultimately more trustworthy. Second, you really need to clear up the refund issue. Did you, or did you not withhold or threaten to withhold it any point? If you did you need to clearly own up to it. If not you need to categorically deny it. Honesty means more than not getting caught in an outright lie. It means being forthcoming with information and not forcing people to work for it. I'm kind of agnostic on the streaming and non-compete clauses (although 10 years won't hold up in court and adding it does make you look a little bad). | ||
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Holy_AT
Austria978 Posts
People come to you to use your services and pay you for it. I do not get it why they should have to agree to contracts where your customers should do stuff, it should be the other way around, I mean they pay you, why should they be obligated to stream of give you additional revenues from streaming ? I also dont think that MOW has thout everything through and is really offering an experience worth the money. In the starting post of this thread MOW claims that they are not forcing players to stream or stopping them from joining other teamhouses and so on, but why even have it in the contract then or use wording that can be interptreted that way ? I can not imagine that this is really professional. I think you just sat together spun around some crazy half ass business idea and implemented it without really thinking about it or putting real effort into it. I mean what is really the value that people are getting from this ? How are they training ? Why is this training better then sitting at home playing with other players and chatting/skyoing with them ? And at least at home you have food  | ||
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Kontys
Finland659 Posts
On September 14 2012 01:49 SimDawg wrote: People take themselves too seriously. Wanting a professional esports scene does not mean you need to be a smack talking pitchfork holding dullard. I think we could be generous and ignore the whole kittens thing. It's one thing to note that someone is not-quite-as-intelligent-as-could-be, but it's pretty unfair to make a point out of it. EDIT: As in, posting those cats was clearly very inept reasoning. | ||
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Staboteur
Canada1873 Posts
Considering that no-one else from MoW is particularly upset about everything NOR does MoW have any actual obligation to pay Fuzer back ANYTHING (though offering is an unnecessary, but kind gesture regardless of when it happened), MoW's reputation in my mind is reasonably untarnished. Sure, they're not perfect, but neither am I. GG, well played. | ||
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ItchyLegs
Canada369 Posts
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ssxsilver
United States4409 Posts
On September 14 2012 01:42 Awesomeness wrote: Judging a person based on some lines in a chatlog. TL in a nutshell. Would be a really smart move to include some of the statements the MoW-residents made in the first thread in the op btw. The first comment in reddit is pretty damming too. http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/zs2bh/drama_in_mow_house/ | ||
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mikkmagro
Malta1513 Posts
On September 14 2012 01:49 hypercube wrote: I approve of the kittens and the tone of the statements. Couple of points you might want to improve on though: Don't sign statements as MoW. The person making the statement needs to take personal responsibility. It makes you more accountable and ultimately more trustworthy. Second, you really need to clear up the refund issue. Did you, or did you not withhold or threaten to withhold it any point? If you did you need to clearly own up to it. If not you need to categorically deny it. Honesty means more than not getting caught in an outright lie. It means being forthcoming with information and not forcing people to work for it. I'm kind of agnostic on the streaming and non-compete clauses (although 10 years won't hold up in court and adding it does make you look a little bad). well he did say (and apologised for) that a lot of things were said in anger on both sides. What MoW could do, to show off their good will, is make their current players sign an addendum to the contracts they signed, to reduce the 10 year ban, and clarify the specific streaming quota. | ||
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PanN
United States2828 Posts
On September 14 2012 01:49 Awesomeness wrote: yeah because you never made mistakes or said stupid shit in a chatlog, right? From what I've heard all other pros like the house and therefore this guy is doing more for eSports than you (and me) ever did. Yes they didn't handle this situation right, but a project like this deserves a 2nd chance imo... I've never done something as underhanded as MoW sorry. Did I ever say they don't deserve a second chance? They most definitely do! But holy shit dude, they NEED to address that issue. Thats a pretty messed up thing that they did, and then to present a "statement" and breeze over that issue with "a refund for the remaining days has been offered and turned down." and not go over the fact that he only offered the refund due to threats is fucking disgusting and completely unprofessional. | ||
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mememolly
4765 Posts
On September 14 2012 01:49 Awesomeness wrote: yeah because you never made mistakes or said stupid shit in a chatlog, right? From what I've heard all other pros like the house and therefore this guy is doing more for eSports than you (and me) ever did. Yes they didn't handle this situation right, but a project like this deserves a 2nd chance imo... The dude isn't "doing this for esports", sure he might have some passion for the game etc. But they are making a lot of money from gamers, I'm not saying it's bad he's making money or wants to, but don't lie to yourself, he's doing this to make money and build a business, albeit a bad job of it. | ||
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MiQ
Canada312 Posts
On September 14 2012 01:48 Godwrath wrote: What do you mean ? I had met many people who tried to rip me off, most of them were real good people. One is even my BFF. Rofl! So because your "friends" try to rip you off it makes it alright. Not everyone's like you. Most people don't appreciate being treated like shit. | ||
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
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JustPassingBy
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