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On September 14 2012 01:26 Zim23 wrote:What an underhanded way to put it. This statement doesn't refute that you at first REFUSED to pay the guy back and then after being threatened offered to refund the cash.
I'm laughing at all the people that are "forgiving" MoW when this still went on. Aweeee! Some guy posts a few cat pictures and thats all it takes to win you guys over even thought they're underhanded businessmen and probably (based on the skype chat) would have ripped fuzer off completely had fuzer had no proof or threats.
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On September 14 2012 01:31 Sapphire.lux wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 01:26 Zim23 wrote:a refund for the remaining days has been offered and turned down. What an underhanded way to put it. This statement doesn't refute that you at first REFUSED to pay the guy back and then after being threatened offered to refund the cash. This. Everything else sounds good though. Lesson learned. If not, pitchforks, sponsor-emails....you know the drill. 
Pitchforks, yes, sponsor emails, please no. Don't start killing esports over a fairly trivial matter. There are very few people around with proper experience in handling esports ventures. MoW is a great concept and should be allowed to thrive. Live and let live..
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At least, they're trying to fix things up.
A full month to check the agreement and Fuzer failed at this point? Come on...
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Hilarious. In the MoW Drama thread someone made a joke post about MoW statement probably being something totally unrelated with a "but here's kittens" ...
You guys really should 1. hire a lawyer who knows something about EU law 2. hire a PR person, just common sense could have done much better than you guys.
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Just give Fuzer his money back. However I'm glad that you are at least trying to improve things.
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i hate having kittens being used in a negotiation. they just make me so happy
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Oh my god. I can't stand the way you handled things, your shady as fuck boss (who should be fired asap), the contracts, the press releases and statements that did not address the issue yesterday and the way you depict Fuzer as more in the wrong than you, that you asked for a license to prove fuzer has a lawyer, that you wouldn't pay back a negligible amount of money in a power/ego move, the patronizing of the community like we're idiots with kitten pictures and interviews that have nothing to do with the conflict, the use of media/propaganda, the taking advantage of non well known players, your lack of adhering to the dietary plan you promised, the amount of you are compensated vs the amount spent on the players, the way in which you communicated threats of not paying via skype chat because it was untraceable, the streaming hours, just your overall sense/way of handling this whole situation has been utterly despicable. I've never boycotted before, but I am.
Also, I encourage an audit of the organization to see how clean an operation they run.
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On September 14 2012 01:31 mouzKaelaris wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 01:28 Musicus wrote:
Is it true you only offered the refund once Fuzer threatened to inform the public? This is true, dates and chat logs confirm the timing of Fuzer's post on Facebook in coordination with the Skype conversation. So much I want to say on this issue but I will bite my tongue for many a reason.
Kaelris teasing us T_T
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On September 14 2012 01:36 Shikyo wrote:
Hilarious. In the MoW Drama thread someone made a joke post about MoW statement probably being something totally unrelated with a "but here's kittens" ...
You guys really should 1. hire a lawyer who knows something about EU law 2. hire a PR person, just common sense could have done much better than you guys.
I don't think they need a PR person, they just need a new person in general. This guy (according to the skype logs) was going to rip fuzer off. The only reason any of this pr kitten bullshit is happening is because his threat came back and bit him in the ass.
He's not a good person. He's a bad person.
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On September 14 2012 01:35 Nightmarjoo wrote:Show nested quote +Samuli refused to sign the agreed contract containing his amendments and requested another consultation period.
This has been received as a stalling tactics and brought unnecessary and unprofessional tension to the conversation . lol what? The guy already paid you, how could taking time to make sure he fully understood the contract be stalling?
Lol yep, I don't know the full conversation so I don't know the context in which Fuzer gave the money, but I think maybe that will clear things up. If it was something like MoW asking Fuzer if he wants to stay at their house, Fuzer agrees over skype and pays him, and only after the payment does MoW ask to sign a contract, technically those are actually two different agreements altogether.
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On September 14 2012 01:31 mouzKaelaris wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 01:28 Musicus wrote:
Is it true you only offered the refund once Fuzer threatened to inform the public? This is true, dates and chat logs confirm the timing of Fuzer's post on Facebook in coordination with the Skype conversation. So much I want to say on this issue but I will bite my tongue for many a reason.
Such a shame that people can't speak their mind freely, at least not without cosequences it seems. Maybe on day when it's all forgotten some e-sports personality will write a book .
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not to be mr serious here
but it was a pretty serious allegation / situation.
the response statement was adequate, not perfect, but good enough
kitten pictures were dumb and unnecessary
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On September 14 2012 01:40 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 01:31 mouzKaelaris wrote:On September 14 2012 01:28 Musicus wrote:
Is it true you only offered the refund once Fuzer threatened to inform the public? This is true, dates and chat logs confirm the timing of Fuzer's post on Facebook in coordination with the Skype conversation. So much I want to say on this issue but I will bite my tongue for many a reason. Kaelris teasing us T_T
There's no way he could make a smurf account or anything like that.
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On September 14 2012 01:40 PanN wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 01:36 Shikyo wrote:
Hilarious. In the MoW Drama thread someone made a joke post about MoW statement probably being something totally unrelated with a "but here's kittens" ...
You guys really should 1. hire a lawyer who knows something about EU law 2. hire a PR person, just common sense could have done much better than you guys. I don't think they need a PR person, they just need a new person in general. This guy (according to the skype logs) was going to rip fuzer off. The only reason any of this pr kitten bullshit is happening is because his threat came back and bit him in the ass. He's not a good person. He's a bad person.
Judging a person based on some lines in a chatlog. TL in a nutshell.
Would be a really smart move to include some of the statements the MoW-residents made in the first thread in the op btw.
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On September 14 2012 01:14 MinistryOfWin wrote:
Upon announcing that he chose the latter, a refund for the remaining days has been offered and turned down.
Such a nice way to put it yet we have proof this isn't the way it went down... You were being a huge douche to him saying you wouldn't pay him back anything. Then suddenly, when he goes public with this, you make the offer.
And it's not like you can deny any of it, he pasted the frickin convo.
I'm getting fed up with shitty ass business deals fucking up people of the community. If you want to help esports how bout you get your shit straight and quit looking so damn amateur. (Like putting kitty pics in your official statement.... I for one find it quite insulting.)
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Shouldve used puppies.
Also would've liked a statement regarding boss & friends being noisy/drunk latenight, at the very least its a better statement than the first one they put out, well done.
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On September 14 2012 01:34 lisward wrote:Show nested quote +2. Ministry of Win does not enforce on players the amount of hours they have to stream. It is a part of a business contract and both parties negotiate an agreement. We understand that players have come to the house for the sole purpose of perfecting their skills and thus we do not exact the agreed hours to the last detail. Most players view streaming as a key income source for themselves and so we give them the best opportunity to profit from it. Thanks to the strategic partnership between the Ministry of Win and Twitch.tv the CPM ratio is superior to that of an individual streaming on one’s own. Furthermore the players that had no Twitch.tv partnership prior to joining the house obtain a possibility to start monetizing their exposure instantly omitting the regular Twitch.tv partnership acquireing process. If you don't enforce it, why do you put it in the business contract, it seems very detailed in the contract. Honestly speaking Fuzer game pretty hard evidence with his Skype logs and all you guys have been doing is derailing the accusations. I find it so annoying how people are getting misled and defending them on their 'half-truths'. WE OFFERED HIM A FULL REFUND WHICH HE DECLINED, Fuzer already showed skype logs that prove that the 'Boss' didn't want to give him his money back, until he threatened to go public.
You should just take that as a comment that was made in anger that "Boss" thought better of after the fact. People say/type a lot off stuff in the heat of the moment and take it back later on. People are allowed to say dumb stuff and then take it back when they think about, even in the business world.
Also, you don't have to enforce every section of a contract to the letter. Contracts are an understanding of what is expected of each party. They are not laws and can be flexable(laws can also be flexable). But you don't put terms like "We expect players to stream around 150 hours a month" in a contract.
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On September 14 2012 01:42 Awesomeness wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 01:40 PanN wrote:On September 14 2012 01:36 Shikyo wrote:
Hilarious. In the MoW Drama thread someone made a joke post about MoW statement probably being something totally unrelated with a "but here's kittens" ...
You guys really should 1. hire a lawyer who knows something about EU law 2. hire a PR person, just common sense could have done much better than you guys. I don't think they need a PR person, they just need a new person in general. This guy (according to the skype logs) was going to rip fuzer off. The only reason any of this pr kitten bullshit is happening is because his threat came back and bit him in the ass. He's not a good person. He's a bad person. Judging a person based on some lines in a chatlog. TL in a nutshell. Would be a really smart move to include some of the statements the MoW-residents made in the first thread in the op btw.
Oh be quiet please. If you're going to try and argue that attempting to rip someone off after they've traveled to your home doesn't make you a bad person than good luck buddy.
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On September 14 2012 01:42 Awesomeness wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 01:40 PanN wrote:On September 14 2012 01:36 Shikyo wrote:
Hilarious. In the MoW Drama thread someone made a joke post about MoW statement probably being something totally unrelated with a "but here's kittens" ...
You guys really should 1. hire a lawyer who knows something about EU law 2. hire a PR person, just common sense could have done much better than you guys. I don't think they need a PR person, they just need a new person in general. This guy (according to the skype logs) was going to rip fuzer off. The only reason any of this pr kitten bullshit is happening is because his threat came back and bit him in the ass. He's not a good person. He's a bad person. Judging a person based on some lines in a chatlog. TL in a nutshell. Would be a really smart move to include some of the statements the MoW-residents made in the first thread in the op btw.
The statements are irrelevant to the situation at hand. This is a matter between the head of MoW and Fuzer, not the house itself.
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On September 14 2012 01:42 Awesomeness wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 01:40 PanN wrote:On September 14 2012 01:36 Shikyo wrote:
Hilarious. In the MoW Drama thread someone made a joke post about MoW statement probably being something totally unrelated with a "but here's kittens" ...
You guys really should 1. hire a lawyer who knows something about EU law 2. hire a PR person, just common sense could have done much better than you guys. I don't think they need a PR person, they just need a new person in general. This guy (according to the skype logs) was going to rip fuzer off. The only reason any of this pr kitten bullshit is happening is because his threat came back and bit him in the ass. He's not a good person. He's a bad person. Judging a person based on some lines in a chatlog. TL in a nutshell. Would be a really smart move to include some of the statements the MoW-residents made in the first thread in the op btw.
Agreed. Everyone else in the house appears to be thrilled that it is there. Fuzer seems to be the only guy who couldn't make it work and is throwing a fit because he had to leave. At the end of the day, this is all about a less than one months rent.
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