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Epoch
Canada257 Posts
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AnYvia
Bulgaria474 Posts
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Sapphire.lux
Romania2620 Posts
On September 14 2012 01:36 Kontys wrote: Pitchforks, yes, sponsor emails, please no. Don't start killing esports over a fairly trivial matter. There are very few people around with proper experience in handling esports ventures. MoW is a great concept and should be allowed to thrive. Live and let live.. It was a joke of course...Although, if some one should ever email sponsors over something, it should be over financial disputes. Players not getting paid is much worse then some bad PR to a profit orientated company. Not that this is the case of course. Fuzer got his money back now, right? | ||
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Kontys
Finland659 Posts
On September 14 2012 01:53 mememolly wrote: The dude isn't "doing this for esports", sure he might have some passion for the game etc. But they are making a lot of money from gamers, I'm not saying it's bad he's making money or wants to, but don't lie to yourself, he's doing this to make money and build a business, albeit a bad job of it. Whoah, MoW is churning out a huge profit now, is it? | ||
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pallad
Poland1958 Posts
On September 14 2012 01:47 joeschmo wrote: Instead of 5 hours of streaming, it should be 5 hours of actual coaching and practicing with players in house. This is like going to play with the Lakers but first having to practice street ball with the neighborhood kids until you don't like basketball anymore before you are allowed to eat a french fried meatball and lift your shy head up to eye a pro gamer to your direct left. BOO! LOL . They play around 10h a day.. from what players that were there write. First 5 hours of day are custom games vs other players there with coach etc. So you dont know what you are talking about , maby next time read some about MoW and then post shit like this. One person write some lie and then everyone repeat that. | ||
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Salazarz
Korea (South)2591 Posts
And why are you saying that 'a refund was offered, which Fuzer refused'? You make it sound like it was a genuine, unconditional offer of a refund - but previous posts already confirmed that you put it forward as another demand - 'either take the cash and shut up, or you aren't getting the money', essentially. Last but not least, how does it make sense to give the player an ultimatum of either signing a contract that he is unhappy with, or leaving the house into which he had already settled, without giving him the opportunity of having the contract examined by someone more qualified of appraising it? You try to sound nice and professional here, but all I'm seeing is a lot of really poor damage control and fluffy words that contradict reality. You'd be better off simply saying, 'Yeah, we fucked up with Fuzer. We'll try to do better in future' instead of this. Also, kittens? Seriously? edit: I don't even think you're an evil bunch or something, the idea is great and obviously plenty of other players have enjoyed it. However your management seems pretty short-sighted, also I can't help but feel like you're trying to rip people off as much as you can get away with. You'd be way better off actually working out the kinks and honestly trying to fix the issues instead of whatever you are doing right now; on the most basic level, something like your catering problem that even players who were otherwise happy with the house had brought up is something that could be solved within a week tops. Also, having your own parties at night in a house that you're renting out to ten friggin' people? Like, how cheap can you get... | ||
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mememolly
4765 Posts
On September 14 2012 01:50 Holy_AT wrote: I do not like this model of MOW. People come to you to use your services and pay you for it. I do not get it why they should have to agree to contracts where your customers should do stuff, it should be the other way around, I mean they pay you, why should they be obligated to stream of give you additional revenues from streaming ? I also dont think that MOW has thout everything through and is really offering an experience worth the money. In the starting post of this thread MOW claims that they are not forcing players to stream or stopping them from joining other teamhouses and so on, but why even have it in the contract then or use wording that can be interptreted that way ? I can not imagine that this is really professional. I think you just sat together spun around some crazy half ass business idea and implemented it without really thinking about it or putting real effort into it. I mean what is really the value that people are getting from this ? How are they training ? Why is this training better then sitting at home playing with other players and chatting/skyoing with them ? And at least at home you have food  MoW is a good idea, a lot of kids want a taste of the progamer dream and this gives it to them. Is it unprofessional and a waste of money? maybe, but you'll always get people who want to do this sort of thing. It's a smart idea but badly executed PR wise. | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10167 Posts
On September 14 2012 01:53 MiQ wrote: Rofl! So because your "friends" try to rip you off it makes it alright. Not everyone's like you. Most people don't appreciate being treated like shit. Note to myself : Everytime i write something really really absurd as a sarcasm, use smiles and winks too. Lots of them. :D:D:D:D | ||
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baba1
Canada355 Posts
Btw I hate kittens so you fail and I hate that you even tryed that as a 'professional' organisation. MoW won't exist for very long if you keep this kind of stuff going. | ||
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mememolly
4765 Posts
On September 14 2012 01:55 Kontys wrote: Whoah, MoW is churning out a huge profit now, is it? 600 euros a month in rent from everyone for a house in poland with like 10+ guys living it, and he took the money from Fuzer in cash so I guess he does that with everyone, yeah I'd say he is making a healthy profit. | ||
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bonifaceviii
Canada2890 Posts
Surprise? Not really. | ||
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MiQ
Canada312 Posts
On September 14 2012 01:56 Godwrath wrote: Note to myself : Everytime i write something really really absurd as a sarcasm, use smiles and winks too. Lots of them. :D:D:D:D Man that was hard to tell. My apologies. | ||
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jpham9210
United States11 Posts
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TAMinator
Australia2706 Posts
Poll: Was posting the kitten pictures a redeeming factor? No (188) Yes (20) I don't know (4) 212 total votes Your vote: Was posting the kitten pictures a redeeming factor? | ||
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Sclow
17 Posts
Good luck to all players involved. | ||
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TheSir
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TsGBruzze
Sweden1190 Posts
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IPS.Mardow.
Germany713 Posts
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Noobity
United States871 Posts
On September 14 2012 01:56 Salazarz wrote: So, if the streaming thing is 'for the benefit of players' and is 'totally negotiable', why do you have a written contract specifically addressing the exact amount of hours each player is required to stream? It's not something Fuzer alone said, other players mentioned it in passing as well. And why are you saying that 'a refund was offered, which Fuzer refused'? You make it sound like it was a genuine, unconditional offer of a refund - but previous posts already confirmed that you put it forward as another demand - 'either take the cash and shut up, or you aren't getting the money', essentially. Last but not least, how does it make sense to give the player an ultimatum of either signing a contract that he is unhappy with, or leaving the house into which he had already settled, without giving him the opportunity of having the contract examined by someone more qualified of appraising it? You try to sound nice and professional here, but all I'm seeing is a lot of really poor damage control and fluffy words that contradict reality. You'd be better off simply saying, 'Yeah, we fucked up with Fuzer. We'll try to do better in future' instead of this. Also, kittens? Seriously? If fuzer doesn't read the contract, or have a professional look at the contract over the course of a month then he can't negotiate it. What was the purpose of fuzer's post if not to attack MoW? Upon being attacked they decided that they would offer to unconditionally rectify the reason the attack took place, Fuzer declined. This is what attacks are supposed to do, create some sort of response. Fuzer got a response both out of the community and the MoW. Might not have been the correct response entirely, but it was a positive attempt. When the person being offered the ultimatum has had over a month to make adjustments to a part of that ultimatum then it makes complete sense. If you notice, they also didn't say "Yeah, we fucked up with fuzer" they say "We made mistakes handling the fuzer situation and offer our sincere apologies to him as well as the entire community" which is a huge difference. I wonder how many of you would care if we found out that Fuzer was back there next week and all was forgiven. I bet all the esports dollars there would be grudges held over issues that didn't have anything to do with us in the least. | ||
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SC2 Heaven
United Kingdom15 Posts
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