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SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
September 14 2012 16:37 GMT
#541
On September 15 2012 01:01 scypio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2012 00:57 SupLilSon wrote:
All that work is irellevant. One failure of this magnitude is all it takes to ruin your reputation. This was a HUGE failure on MOW's part, in almost all aspects of how they handeled it. It displays poor professionalism and a severe lack of ability to correct their own mistakes. It would be idiocy to play this off as a singular event. This whole situation speaks volumes to what we can expect from MOW... and it doesn't look promising at all...


I simply disagree.It's a matter of your attitude really. If I see that everyone expect Fuzer is happy with MoW then MoW is still doing okay.

You can go ahead and focus on this regrettable incident, I can still see the big picture and all the cool things MoW managed to do over the last couple of months. And I encourage everyone else to consider it before taking a vote in that stupid poll.


It's not really an agree or disagree situation. You can see from this thread that the communities view of MoW is now very negative, and for good reason. Just like EC pulling that stupid publicity stunt, people will not forget this quickly. And what exactly has MoW done in the past besides Battle at MOW?
JeffVader
Profile Joined February 2011
United States79 Posts
September 14 2012 16:49 GMT
#542
Well stated. Accepting responsibility for mistakes is the mark of a good company.
As if you could kill time without injuring eternity.
scypio
Profile Joined December 2011
Poland2127 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-14 16:53:57
September 14 2012 16:53 GMT
#543
On September 15 2012 01:37 SupLilSon wrote:
It's not really an agree or disagree situation. You can see from this thread that the communities view of MoW is now very negative, and for good reason. Just like EC pulling that stupid publicity stunt, people will not forget this quickly. And what exactly has MoW done in the past besides Battle at MOW?


You can either feel that MoW did a step in the right direction with today's statement, refund for Fuzer and the promise of amendments or you can feel otherwise.

I feel that they did the step in the right direction and I do not care about the cats in their post.

You feel otherwise (and apparently majority of people in this thread), still, there are people who it's fine (like me for example). I was critical about the MoW in the "drama" thread. Here they did just enough to persuade me that things will get better.

And for the cool stuff about MoW: they run a pretty successful (with the expection of Fuzer), worldwide-unique esports endeavour and I think that it is a good thing to do.
I play random | I like Hots | INnoVation | sOs | Tefel TOP1!
heaven-
Profile Joined February 2010
United States361 Posts
September 14 2012 17:10 GMT
#544
honestly nobody Should care but drama is like a drug.
The road to success is dotted with many tempting parking places.
ins(out)side
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
220 Posts
September 14 2012 17:12 GMT
#545
The kittens literally make it all better for me. I'm not even joking.

Samba
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany452 Posts
September 14 2012 17:27 GMT
#546
On September 14 2012 01:26 Zim23 wrote:
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a refund for the remaining days has been offered and turned down.


What an underhanded way to put it. This statement doesn't refute that you at first REFUSED to pay the guy back and then after being threatened offered to refund the cash.



Have to agree with this. Came close to blackmailing.
RIP Geoff “iNcontroL" Robinson, September 11, 1985 - July 20, 2019
Enervate
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1769 Posts
September 14 2012 17:37 GMT
#547
Seems like a pretty amateurish statement imo.
Casstiael
Profile Joined November 2011
2 Posts
September 14 2012 17:38 GMT
#548
ministry of win ftl ^.^
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
September 14 2012 17:38 GMT
#549
Kittens? Is this some kind of joke?
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
watwatwatwat
Profile Joined May 2011
Austria3 Posts
September 14 2012 17:40 GMT
#550
This almost looks like a "Bel-Air" story with these kitten pics.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Maker
Profile Joined November 2010
Mexico85 Posts
September 14 2012 17:51 GMT
#551
soooooooo much bad soooooo much
www.teamtaeja.net
Chylo
Profile Joined May 2010
United States220 Posts
September 14 2012 17:57 GMT
#552
Probably wins as the worst company statement for sc2.
[F_]aths
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany3947 Posts
September 14 2012 18:30 GMT
#553
What is this? A lukewarm statement and an insult to the seriousness of the issue?
You don't choose to play zerg. The zerg choose you.
Shantastic
Profile Joined October 2011
United States435 Posts
September 14 2012 18:55 GMT
#554
I had little doubt that Fuzer's statement was exaggerated and melodramatic, but the bottom line is that if there is a contract to be signed, then that MUST be a prerequisite to any irreversible financial transaction. If he takes objection to the contract and refuses to sign it, then you must refund his money immediately, as it was your decision not to show him that contract beforehand. If not on a morality principle, then purely on a business principle. He is paying you. Even if you are producing the contract, you are the company and he is the customer. If a business requires customers to view, negotiate, and sign an agreement on terms and conditions of transaction AFTER they have paid, and that too in secrecy as to the contents of that contract, that business is doomed to fail. You have to show your customers the contract before payment is finalized.

We are expressing our disapproval because we care (most of us, anyway). Ministry of Win represents a new level of dedication to the betterment of gamers and the quality of SC2 entertainment as a whole. Your success as a business can only be good for eSports and the StarCraft II community. We're rooting for you. Don't just brush off our advice as us haytin'!
"My grandpa could have proxied better, and not only does he have arthritis, but he's also dead." -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
purecarnagge
Profile Joined August 2010
719 Posts
September 14 2012 19:02 GMT
#555
On September 14 2012 01:14 MinistryOfWin wrote:
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In response to the Team Liquid forum post by Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen and the public debate surrounding it, we, the Ministry of Win, would like to shed some light on the facts regarding the matter at hand.


With utmost sadness we have observed some of the details being released, at times partial and without proper context. This should have not happened under no circumstances and we fully acknowledge our managemental shortcomings in that regard. There have been words said in the heat of the moment unbecoming to what we aspire to be, and certainly below the required standards that we would like to set for ourselves as a part of the e-sport community.

There are several concerns that have been pointed out that we would like to address below.

1. First and foremost Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen or any other guest of the house has not been, or will be stopped from pursuing a professional e-sport carrier beyond the Ministry of Win by means of a legal document or a verbal agreement. Players absolutely can and will join teams, pro-houses, will also participate in tournaments and other e-sport ventures.

2. Ministry of Win does not enforce on players the amount of hours they have to stream. It is a part of a business contract and both parties negotiate an agreement. We understand that players have come to the house for the sole purpose of perfecting their skills and thus we do not exact the agreed hours to the last detail. Most players view streaming as a key income source for themselves and so we give them the best opportunity to profit from it. Thanks to the strategic partnership between the Ministry of Win and Twitch.tv the CPM ratio is superior to that of an individual streaming on one’s own. Furthermore the players that had no Twitch.tv partnership prior to joining the house obtain a possibility to start monetizing their exposure instantly omitting the regular Twitch.tv partnership acquireing process.

3. The fee of 2 500 PLN (circa €600 or $785) is charged up front for full months of all inclusive stay in the house. This is the first consideration the players are presented with before coming to the house. Please note that the Ministry of Win is not a hotel thus all operations, including guest departures and arrivals, food and supply purchases, etc..., are planned and partially executed at least a month ahead with accordance to the players stay roster.

4. We are aware of the issues regarding food, that the players have risen and are looking to resolve them as soon as possible. Since the house has not yet been fully manned with players with frequent changes the provisioning schedule was the hardest to keep up to date.

Since the public has been exposed only to the last and most fierce statements we feel compelled to put them into perspective and disclosing the bigger story. As correctly identified by many members of the public, the key error on our part was allowing Samuli to come to the house before agreeing together on all the fine parts of the contract and signing it.

Samuli expressed his interest in joining the Ministry of Win. In order to meet his expectations we decided to invite him in and let him experience the house-life first hand, so that he could make a more educated decision with regards to the contract. A monthly fee of 2 500 PLN has been established, paid up front each month, which has been delivered in cash by Samuli on arrival to the house. Soon after the Ministry of Win contract has been presented to him negotiations and consultations began.

Finally all the amendments proposed by Samuli have been fully incorporated into the contract and the final version has been submitted for his approval on Saturday the 8th. By that time the second month payment has already been concluded. Samuli refused to sign the agreed contract containing his amendments and requested another consultation period.

This has been received as a stalling tactics and brought unnecessary and unprofessional tension to the conversation, which in retrospect could have been avoided especially on our side. Leading a company revolving around people requires unwavering patience and calm especially in tense situations and this is a major lesson for us in all our future dealings. Words unbefitting a gentleman have been said, fences have not been mended and as a result on Tuesday the 11th Samuli has been asked to either sign the contract or leave until 22:00. Upon announcing that he chose the latter, a refund for the remaining days has been offered and turned down.

In conclusion, the Ministry of Win would like to apologize the whole e-sport community, the players, the viewers, everyone related to the Starcraft 2 scene and especially we apologize to Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen. Mistakes have been made and unfortunately time cannot be turned back. We are aware that as professionals, we should not let emotions take control over us and the whole situation should not have happened in the first place. After all we are here to support and help e-sports grow.

We are making an effort to prevent such a situation from ever happening again. A revised wording of the contract is being developed and a more clear contractual procedure devised. We hope that other players will benefit from existance of our house and our e-sport venture will help advance their careers. Virgil said “Hard work conquers all” — so we will do our best to make it happen.

To compensate the community more than one hundred pages of drama on the Team Liquid forum and numerous further posts all around the Internet, please take comfort in those quite lovely kittens photos.



Why don't you simply post the contract for the community to view? This sounds more like ministry of fail. Your getting rent paid on a house, taking a significant cut of the streaming revenues. I'm not sure any business person would agree to this contract. The only thing you are offering is exposure. The people in this house appear to be selling the skins for that.

Stall tatic? It takes 2-3 days for an attorney to review a contract. Not really an unreasonable request unless you were afraid of what was going to be pointed out.

I'm guessing we will never see this "contract" as it was originally presented.
Stuv
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Netherlands942 Posts
September 14 2012 19:07 GMT
#556
On September 15 2012 02:57 Chylo wrote:
Probably wins as the worst company statement for sc2.

This. At times I have no clue at what I am reading and I've read hunderds of scientific papers.
steamrice
Profile Joined August 2010
435 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-14 19:17:45
September 14 2012 19:16 GMT
#557
I like how this statement says they offered a refund and fuzer refused it like that was it.

Skips over the part where MoW REFUSED the refund and told Fuzer that he doesn't have the money because Fuzer didn't sign the contract.
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13918 Posts
September 14 2012 19:33 GMT
#558
On September 15 2012 02:10 heaven- wrote:
honestly nobody Should care but drama is like a drug.


We should care, something wrong happened. If we don't care, then bad things can continue to happen.
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
Flamingo777
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1190 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-14 20:28:51
September 14 2012 20:28 GMT
#559
There are more grammatical mistakes than the amount of kittens in your post, MoW. Very unprofessional, get a new writer.
poorbeggarman
Profile Joined August 2010
139 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-14 20:43:08
September 14 2012 20:39 GMT
#560
On September 14 2012 01:14 MinistryOfWin wrote:
1. First and foremost Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen or any other guest of the house has not been, or will be stopped from pursuing a professional e-sport carrier beyond the Ministry of Win by means of a legal document or a verbal agreement. Players absolutely can and will join teams, pro-houses, will also participate in tournaments and other e-sport ventures.


I see why Fuzer had his reservations about your english contract.

PS. @Blizzard, we really DO want our carriers back.
edit: oh wait, its already back. some buffs would be nice
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