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scypio
Poland2127 Posts
On September 14 2012 23:16 Cheerio wrote: Another poll should go alongside this one, like: do yo have any idea how much work did boss do for MoW before the Fuzer incident and how did he handle it? Well, of course you don't, you focus only on single piece of failure to support your pitchforking idiocy. | ||
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YoucriedWolf
Sweden1456 Posts
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On September 14 2012 21:10 scypio wrote: You can go on with hairsplitting even further. Split the same thing into 1000 parts more. It is still a single incident: MoW failed to deal with Fuzer. This is how I see it. One "Fuzer incident" at MoW over a couple months. For me it's not enough to kick people out. MoW is a good business once you get rid of your tunnel vision. On TL my nationality is Terran actually  Let me get this clear, I think nobody here on TL, regardless of his/her opinion regarding the Fuzer incident, ever doubted that MoW is good business.  | ||
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-Hitman-
56 Posts
Fire boss. Pay back Fuzer. Restore status as very cool training house. | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
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emythrel
United Kingdom2599 Posts
On September 14 2012 21:52 Achaia wrote: I'm still kind of surprised how they handled the whole contract situation. If you make revisions to a contract at someone's request you can't just ask them to take you at your word that you made the revisions correctly. Why wouldn't they allow him to have his lawyer look at it again to make sure everything was in order? I would NEVER sign a contract of any kind without my lawyer looking at it. well according to Fuzer himself, he asked to have his lawyer look at the contract. MoW then asked to see his lawyers licence and credentials (to make sure hes a real, qualified lawyer) and nothing happened, no contact from said lawyer. at that point they told him to sign it or leave. I work under contracts as a musician, my agent has a solicitor (UK equiv of lawyer) that looks over the contracts for me but on a few occasions I lost a contract because the solicitor didn't get around to it and the deadline for signing it had passed.... I won't sign a contract that I don't understand and companies have deadlines to meet.... pretty standard really. I can understand why he would legal advice and I can also understand why MoW would want to verify that said legal advice is coming from an actual legal practitioner or else Fuzer could have just sent the contract to his mother and got her to make amendments. The whole thing is pretty messed up but there is fault on both sides, you don't ask for your lawyer to go over the contract and then either refuse or not bother to get him/her to e-mail the company and verify their credentials. | ||
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ki11z0ne
United States427 Posts
On September 14 2012 20:13 Xapti wrote: Forcing a person to pay a large amount of money before they even agree to something is seems wrong, especially when you don't don't say it's non-refundable, but you still don't refund it. was he FORCED to pay befor doing any paper work? can i get some confermation on this pls | ||
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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
edit : as in korean amateur houses might have countless horror stories to unveil | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
On September 14 2012 23:25 scypio wrote: Another poll should go alongside this one, like: do yo have any idea how much work did boss do for MoW before the Fuzer incident and how did he handle it? Well, of course you don't, you focus only on single piece of failure to support your pitchforking idiocy. what's your problem? Afraid to know what community thinks of your precious Boss? Relax, we are not gonna fire him because we cant. | ||
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Asmodeusx
286 Posts
On September 14 2012 23:16 Cheerio wrote: Don't care, they're just a business run by people with passion and some resources but no experience or knowledge how to run a proper training facility, let alone forge new talents. They'll need years to get this thing running like everyone expected it. | ||
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imPermanenCe
Netherlands595 Posts
On September 14 2012 23:34 JustPassingBy wrote: Oh, and by the way, I am still waiting for the skype log which proves that Fuzer actually turned down the refund. It's the first skype blog that ever got out posted by MoW boss? the one with "you want a war?" | ||
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ragz_gt
9172 Posts
On September 14 2012 23:35 emythrel wrote: well according to Fuzer himself, he asked to have his lawyer look at the contract. MoW then asked to see his lawyers licence and credentials (to make sure hes a real, qualified lawyer) and nothing happened, no contact from said lawyer. at that point they told him to sign it or leave. I work under contracts as a musician, my agent has a solicitor (UK equiv of lawyer) that looks over the contracts for me but on a few occasions I lost a contract because the solicitor didn't get around to it and the deadline for signing it had passed.... I won't sign a contract that I don't understand and companies have deadlines to meet.... pretty standard really. I can understand why he would legal advice and I can also understand why MoW would want to verify that said legal advice is coming from an actual legal practitioner or else Fuzer could have just sent the contract to his mother and got her to make amendments. The whole thing is pretty messed up but there is fault on both sides, you don't ask for your lawyer to go over the contract and then either refuse or not bother to get him/her to e-mail the company and verify their credentials. The problem is that lawyers would never email their credentials because it makes absolutely no sense. Just how would someone in Poland verify the validity of a Finnish lawyer credential in email? What you do is ask for lawyer's name and firm and then look him up in directory / registry. Also MoW didn't give Fuzer enough time (only 1 business day IIRC), and it was certainly less than 3 days. | ||
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dacimvrl
Vatican City State582 Posts
On September 15 2012 00:49 ragz_gt wrote: The problem is that lawyers would never email their credentials because it makes absolutely no sense. Just how would someone in Poland verify the validity of a Finnish lawyer credential in email? What you do is ask for lawyer's name and firm and then look him up in directory / registry. Also MoW didn't give Fuzer enough time (only 1 business day IIRC), and it was certainly less than 3 days. it was 3 days or so, but it was a weekend, so 2 non-work days lol | ||
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NotoriousBig
Germany301 Posts
Nice to see that you are at least reacting to the topics, but the cittens.... seriously  | ||
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
On September 14 2012 23:25 scypio wrote: Another poll should go alongside this one, like: do yo have any idea how much work did boss do for MoW before the Fuzer incident and how did he handle it? Well, of course you don't, you focus only on single piece of failure to support your pitchforking idiocy. All that work is irellevant. One failure of this magnitude is all it takes to ruin your reputation. This was a HUGE failure on MOW's part, in almost all aspects of how they handeled it. It displays poor professionalism and a severe lack of ability to correct their own mistakes. It would be idiocy to play this off as a singular event. This whole situation speaks volumes to what we can expect from MOW... and it doesn't look promising at all... | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On September 15 2012 00:38 imPermanenCe wrote: It's the first skype blog that ever got out posted by MoW boss? the one with "you want a war?" Oh, really? That was what they meant? But then the op is either outright lying, or at least shamelessly trying to defame Fuzer by leaving out key facts. They made this: 1. Fuzer refuses to sign and leaves the house 2. Fuzer asks for a partial refund of his money 3. Boss declines a partial refund 4. Fuzer decides to go public with this incident 5. Boss concedes and offers a partial refund 6. Fuzer declines into this: 1. Fuzer refuses to sign and leaves the house 2. Boss offers a partial refund 3. Fuzer declines Whether lying or leaving out facts depends on how you understand the "upon" in Words unbefitting a gentleman have been said, fences have not been mended and as a result on Tuesday the 11th Samuli has been asked to either sign the contract or leave until 22:00. Upon announcing that he chose the latter, a refund for the remaining days has been offered and turned down. | ||
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scypio
Poland2127 Posts
On September 15 2012 00:57 SupLilSon wrote: All that work is irellevant. One failure of this magnitude is all it takes to ruin your reputation. This was a HUGE failure on MOW's part, in almost all aspects of how they handeled it. It displays poor professionalism and a severe lack of ability to correct their own mistakes. It would be idiocy to play this off as a singular event. This whole situation speaks volumes to what we can expect from MOW... and it doesn't look promising at all... I simply disagree.It's a matter of your attitude really. If I see that everyone expect Fuzer is happy with MoW then MoW is still doing okay. You can go ahead and focus on this regrettable incident, I can still see the big picture and all the cool things MoW managed to do over the last couple of months. And I encourage everyone else to consider it before taking a vote in that stupid poll. | ||
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scypio
Poland2127 Posts
On September 15 2012 00:58 JustPassingBy wrote: Whether lying or leaving out facts depends on how you understand the "upon" in Okay, that's a good one. The definition by dictionary.com states (upon): 4. immediately or very soon after: She went into mourning upon her husband's death. So Fuzer leaves on 11.9.2012 before 22:00 and is offered the refund on 12.9.2012 at around 17:00... Is this very soon after or not? I'd say yes, but perhaps we need another poll on that  | ||
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Prugelhugel
Austria637 Posts
"Hey, sorry big American fruit logo company. Here are pictures of some puppies, we are cool, aren't we?" "Oh, you neat little Korean phone company, you are soooo sweet. Have some of my candies." If you try to screw people with fishy contracts, be at least mature enough not to act like a giggling school girl and just confess your escapade. | ||
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JohnHarr
United States375 Posts
This is a good step in the right direction though I am glad that you are able to see that there were faults on both sides of this problem and that they could be fixed fairly easily if taken seriously. (I do want to say that the kitten photos, while being very cute, probably should have been left out ) | ||
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