Ministry of Win - Statement - Page 25

On September 14 2012 08:20 CeriseCherries wrote:
the kittens are super cute but made me lose respect by leaps and bounds for the prose.

i mean yea some people are taking the drama too far... but like a sorry we will try to be even better or whatever is a good touch

i mean when aristotle wrote about rhetoric, he described ethos, pathos, logos, and insulting your audience's intelligence by giving them cute pictures and using that as an apology. oh wait. he didnt talk about the last one.

On September 14 2012 19:52 tyner wrote:
dudes you should get someone that can write english well if you wanna appear like a professional business. I couldn't even understand what some of the sentences meant because they are too wordy and have grammatical errors. I stopped reading after like the 2nd paragraph.

On September 14 2012 20:09 nikoYO wrote:
its funny that in an esports community many of the polish members are offended just because its a polish house???

dudes, its the internetz, borders or nationalities shouldnt matter. stop with your patriotism and nationalism pls. its getting old.

On September 14 2012 20:09 shad321 wrote:


Thats why i'm sorry to hear you will don't understand this song :D

On September 14 2012 19:52 tyner wrote:
dudes you should get someone that can write english well if you wanna appear like a professional business. I couldn't even understand what some of the sentences meant because they are too wordy and have grammatical errors. I stopped reading after like the 2nd paragraph.

On September 14 2012 20:11 shad321 wrote:
Please quote which nonsense you mean

From My point of view situation looks like this.
1. Duzer with MoW have some agreement that he comes to MoW probably for 2 months. He wanted to look at the house first before signing contract to look if environment, food etc. is acceptable for him. And if so, he will sing the contract.
2. According everything that was said by MoW statements, and Fuzer, he gave him contrat week/two weeks after he was already in the house and probably said that he likes it.
3. The contract was rejected by Duzer, because he doesn't like some statements. It was standard procedure in MoW to negotiate the contract, as we was said by other players who was there, and statements from MoW, that for example ammount streaming hours for players may differ, the same for twitch percent for streaming. We shouldn't forget part where players in MoW get opportunity to actually make money on stream, which Fuzer didn't have earlier ( Twitch partnership ). So if you earning 0$ and have opportunity to make i.e. 8$ after cut was taken, this is good for both players and house. Some of you doesn't know this.
4. So let's focus on this that Fuzer saw this contract few weeks after his department. So why he doesn't ask for his lawyer at start ? Why he said that THIS THIS AND THIS should be corrected only ?
5. Let say that they corrected things that was pointed from Fuzer, and then He found some another issues ? They corrected it and again something is not correct, which earlier was stated as 'OK'.
6. After few weeks of negotiating contract suddenly Fuzer said another excuse why he wouldn't sing the contract, because suddenly He does not understand this contract and need a lawyer. Ok,They ask for credential of lawyer by skan
( i think this was just to ensure that he isn't delaying signing contract deliberately. Some of you in previous posts has said, that Name will be sufficient, so my lawyer will be Bardy Rahikkala Law Office , so check internet.^^ As you can see getting name of Finland lawyer from internet is not a problem ant probably they thinked that if they allow him to give just a name he will find it in internet. Some of you may say that credential shouldn't be necessary, because every one he trust could be his adviser. That's true but i think, that at that point they doesn't trust Fuzer with anything, so to be sure they asked for it and the funny part is that Fuzer agrees to this terms of skan of lawyer credentials. Few days after he said that he wont do this. The question is why? It is a simple matter to ask my lawyer to skan me his credentials and i'm sure he was just stalling )
7. So we are ending in a dead point, because Fuzer doesn't want to do anything with contract.
8. The biggest decision information is, what king of agreement was made before he came to Mow. If it was said that if He came and like house, he must sing contract ? OR If he just came to home and pay money and nothing more.
9. Nevertheless if they didn't sign contract whit him they have 2 options. Left him for rest of month and GTFO, or GTFO in the middle of the month, but they should give Him the money ( If no verbal agreements were made about some regulations i.e. about signing a contract ).
10. Skype drama - This is the worst part in this whole drama. I wondered how I would have behaved in this situation and i think this is just as FXOBOSS said about culture of power. He wanted to show Fuzer how important this contract is, because without it, he had no confirmation about anything, even paid money. I regret that Fuzer didn't wait to see if money were transferred to his account. We as people often said one thing when we are nervous and we behave differently when emotions have subsided
11. Conclusions: Both sides acted childish and irresponsible. Fuzer for unwillingness to sign the contract for whatever reason he has ( please take in mind that every other player who lived in house hasn't such trouble ), and the MoW management for talking before thinking, and for acting before thinking, for taking Fuzer without contract, so basically for NOT THINKING.
I hope this will be lesson for house management, but after seeing how many hate, is in this thread, i would swear that you guys all live there, know better that rest of player what is good for them, and that food is bad, streaming hours are terrible, and 10 years of not able to CRATE your own gaming house(not to join them as many of you thinks). You also forgot that this contract was made with first players in house, so saying that something is unacceptable for players is just silly. I think that prices of Iphone for example are very silly compared to functionality, but there are millions of people who think differently about this, so please be so kind, to analyse by yourself and don't force you TRUTH as the only just and fair for everyone.
Sorry for my gramma, but English is not my native. I usually just browse and read TL and very seldom write, because everything was already said, but in this case i wanted to add my 2 cents.
And please don't bash me for what i'm just thinking. Everyone has right to his opinion.
Kind regards
ShaD321

On September 14 2012 20:18 nikoYO wrote:
sorry i did confuse you with the other dude above you. but this post explains that you cant even grasp what the community has a problem with how MOW does business (if you wanna call that amateurish handling of the matter even business)

On September 14 2012 20:35 scypio wrote:


The community (at least a vocal part of it) is providing us with a great mix of tunnel vision and pitchforking madness.

MoW failed hard with Fuzer, yeah, that's bad. Still, they seem to go along with every other player living in the house and it should be taken into consideration while judging the professional aspect of the whole endeavour.

They said that amendments will be made, but it seems that pitchfork wielders do not get the idea behind it. Yeah, esports is 100% serial (see SP / Manbearpig for reference).

So let's forget about every other player that enjoyed the MoW house, get everyone out of it (have you seen posts like: OMG TL must get Ret out of the house ASAP!!!!).

Then MoW crew should burn the house down to the ground and hang themselves on the nearby tree. Pitchforking mob would then come along and desecrate their bodies and then, perhaps, esports would be saved once again.

On September 14 2012 20:44 nikoYO wrote:
pitchforking mob...but why? you fuck up, you get what you deserve. its not too difficult, just do good business. it really isnt hard. its common sense.

you dont strongarm people (22:00 h sign or out)
you dont blackmail him (skype convo)
oh and you dont try to scam the COD tourney... (oh yeah he paid once again AFTER people made it public and put pressure on him)